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Most Potions in 1 turn?
« on: October 08, 2018, 03:08:51 pm »
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What's the highest number of Potions you can have in one turn? Not cards named Potion, but Potion as in the unit of coin. E.g. when you Crown a Potion, you would have PP, or two Potions...
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Re: Most Potions in 1 turn?
« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2018, 03:17:32 pm »
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Well, you can Counterfeit them and get them back from the trash, and I'm wondering if it's possible to get some loop...
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Re: Most Potions in 1 turn?
« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2018, 04:26:59 pm »
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As with basically every puzzle question posted since Empires, the answer is almost certainly "infinite".
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Re: Most Potions in 1 turn?
« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2018, 05:04:00 pm »
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As with basically every puzzle question posted since Empires, the answer is almost certainly "infinite".

I'm sure it is as well, but this one is at least nominally interesting as you have to play Treasures repeatedly for it to work. Hard mode: no Black Market
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Re: Most Potions in 1 turn?
« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2018, 05:09:28 pm »
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As with basically every puzzle question posted since Empires, the answer is almost certainly "infinite".

I'm sure it is as well, but this one is at least nominally interesting as you have to play Treasures repeatedly for it to work. Hard mode: no Black Market

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Re: Most Potions in 1 turn?
« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2018, 06:08:40 pm »
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As with basically every puzzle question posted since Empires, the answer is almost certainly "infinite".

I'm sure it is as well, but this one is at least nominally interesting as you have to play Treasures repeatedly for it to work. Hard mode: no Black Market

There's already the Overlord/Crown/Mandarin loop that allows you to pull treasures out of play and use them again, I'm sure it can be modified for this with either BM or Storyteller.
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Re: Most Potions in 1 turn?
« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2018, 06:09:45 pm »
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The question could always be modified to: what is the most potions you can get in 1 turn in a kingdom that does not allow you to generate an arbitrary number of potions?

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Re: Most Potions in 1 turn?
« Reply #7 on: October 09, 2018, 01:46:44 am »
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As with basically every puzzle question posted since Empires, the answer is almost certainly "infinite".

I'm sure it is as well, but this one is at least nominally interesting as you have to play Treasures repeatedly for it to work. Hard mode: no Black Market

There's already the Overlord/Crown/Mandarin loop that allows you to pull treasures out of play and use them again, I'm sure it can be modified for this with either BM or Storyteller.

Easiest way is to have +1$ token on Overlord and do this loop, starting with 5 Overlords and 1 Watchtower in hand, Potion on top of deck (or in play):

play Overlord as Crown
-- play Overload as Crown
---- play Overload as Crown
------ play Overload as Crown
-------- play Overlord as Raze (trash itself)
-------- play Overlord as Lurker (gain Mandarin, reveal Watchtower to trash)
------ play Overload as Lurker (gain Overlord)
---- play Overload as Storyteller, draw 5 Overlords, Potion
-- play Overload as Storyteller playing Potion
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Re: Most Potions in 1 turn?
« Reply #8 on: October 09, 2018, 09:27:06 am »
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Oh, right, I assumed Storyteller spends all the money and not just all the coin. This isn't especially interesting then. Is there anything here if there's no BM or Storyteller?
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Re: Most Potions in 1 turn?
« Reply #9 on: October 09, 2018, 09:42:48 am »
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Is there anything here if there's no BM or Storyteller?
You can take one of the Villa infinite loops and wrap it around a payload of gaining Potion, drawing Potion, playing Potion, buying Bonfire, trashing Potion.
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Re: Most Potions in 1 turn?
« Reply #10 on: October 09, 2018, 12:13:14 pm »
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If you want to disallow Villa as well, then the answer probably becomes 64 and goes something like this:

Have Innovation project
Crown all 16 Potions
gain a TR variant with HoP, triggering Innovation, and set up some mad chain by which you gain Mandarin, topdeck all that stuff, draw it back and Crown all the Potions again.

EDIT: I think the actual answer is more. Will try to write up a solid solution sometime later.
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Since the number of points is within a constant factor of the number of city quarters, in the long run we can get (4 - ε) ↑↑ n points in n turns for any ε > 0.

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Re: Most Potions in 1 turn?
« Reply #11 on: October 09, 2018, 07:12:09 pm »
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If you want to disallow Villa as well, then the answer probably becomes 64 and goes something like this:

Have Innovation project
Crown all 16 Potions
gain a TR variant with HoP, triggering Innovation, and set up some mad chain by which you gain Mandarin, topdeck all that stuff, draw it back and Crown all the Potions again.

EDIT: I think the actual answer is more. Will try to write up a solid solution sometime later.

+1 card token on Crown

play 10 Crowns and 10 Potions
play Horn of Plenty for Mandarin (topdeck 10 Crowns)
play Horn of Plenty for Cultist, revealing Watchtower to trash
repeat this 9 times

play 6 Potions

106 Potions I can earn.
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Re: Most Potions in 1 turn?
« Reply #12 on: October 10, 2018, 05:30:23 pm »
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If you want to disallow Villa as well, then the answer probably becomes 64 and goes something like this:

Have Innovation project
Crown all 16 Potions
gain a TR variant with HoP, triggering Innovation, and set up some mad chain by which you gain Mandarin, topdeck all that stuff, draw it back and Crown all the Potions again.

EDIT: I think the actual answer is more. Will try to write up a solid solution sometime later.

+1 card token on Crown

play 10 Crowns and 10 Potions
play Horn of Plenty for Mandarin (topdeck 10 Crowns)
play Horn of Plenty for Cultist, revealing Watchtower to trash
repeat this 9 times

play 6 Potions

106 Potions I can earn.

Any more if you Inherit Crown? That would let you get 16 at least, right?
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Re: Most Potions in 1 turn?
« Reply #13 on: October 10, 2018, 07:54:10 pm »
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If you want to disallow Villa as well, then the answer probably becomes 64 and goes something like this:

Have Innovation project
Crown all 16 Potions
gain a TR variant with HoP, triggering Innovation, and set up some mad chain by which you gain Mandarin, topdeck all that stuff, draw it back and Crown all the Potions again.

EDIT: I think the actual answer is more. Will try to write up a solid solution sometime later.

+1 card token on Crown

play 10 Crowns and 10 Potions
play Horn of Plenty for Mandarin (topdeck 10 Crowns)
play Horn of Plenty for Cultist, revealing Watchtower to trash
repeat this 9 times

play 6 Potions

106 Potions I can earn.

Any more if you Inherit Crown? That would let you get 16 at least, right?

No. +1 card token has no effect on inherited Estates. But of course we can earn more.
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