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Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D4!)
« Reply #1075 on: November 26, 2018, 04:02:18 am »

vote: Awaclus
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Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D4!)
« Reply #1076 on: November 26, 2018, 08:26:12 am »


Howdy, friends. Getting caught up....

Thanks to the folks who are doing good rereads. The comments and history are really insightful. It’s sheer time span of the game is something I’m still sussing out.

Dylan’s EFHW post resonates with my sense. I spent most of D1 and about half of D2 finding her scummy, but when I tried to read her as town Hyper emerged as the least helpful/most scummy. Since he flipped scum, I’ve kept her in my town list but I’m easily persuaded by the discussion about her because of those initial impressions. I’m trying to work against that feeling until we know Fang’s alignment. There is plenty of partnery stuff there with Fang, but there wasn’t any of that with Hyper. Fang and Hyper are both newbs so I’m not sure why one would partner and the other would not if they are a team together. I can also see Fang following EFHW because she made herself a vocal presence in the game early on and that’s how Fang seems to like to play. Plus it’s generally easier to agree with someone than disagree with them.

I feel like if Fang flips town and EFHW is on the guillotine, we’ll be annoyed we put all our eggs in that basket. If he flips scum, different story.  So, I’m toying with the idea of putting someone on the guillotine that would help us narrow options or who isn’t terribly helpful one way or another. Awaclus, for example, wouldn’t change anything but our numbers since he doesn’t contribute and then we’d know Fang’s alignment.
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Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D4!)
« Reply #1077 on: November 26, 2018, 09:07:42 am »

WiFi broke at work so unfortunately I’ll be mia for at least a until this evening. Yesterday was 100% recovering from the housewarming party.
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Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D4!)
« Reply #1078 on: November 26, 2018, 09:26:19 am »

Thanks for the voices of reason from Dylan and WCD. I am also very curious to learn fang's alignment.
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Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D4!)
« Reply #1079 on: November 26, 2018, 12:11:47 pm »

To pick up my thoughts where I left up last night regarding looking somewhere other than EFHW, POE doesn't leave a ton of good alternatives though... I'm still gonna reread everyone (maybe without a big post for each one, I don't have that kind of time this week to type it all up), but as of right now, I'm reading DatSwan, Joseph, and WCD as solidly town (and IC!PPS), Awaclus doesn't at all resemble scum!Awaclus from what I remember of him, and mcmc has seemed fairly towny... Which from a neutral perspective would only leave EFHW and me, and I know I'm town. 

Lynching Awaclus would be a sort of shot in the dark that I guess has a chance to hit scum that buys time to get info from Fang's flip.

The only way Joseph makes sense is if EFHW's hard busing theory is right. 

Assuming PPS is eventually nk'd, as of right now I'd take DatSwan and WCD to the end of the game and be surprised if it turned into LYLO if it came to it because I think it's so unlikely that they are scum--pending today's reread of WCD, but with the hypercube/WCD stuff earlier, I just don't think anything's gonna come up in that read...

Mcmc is probably my least confident townread right now, so he will be one of the next couple people I reread, but there have been several times where his posts just don't seem like they come from scum.

I guess if I extended out and included the people I'm most likely to be wrong about, my lynchpool for today would be EFHW, Awaclus, and mcmc.
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Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D4!)
« Reply #1080 on: November 26, 2018, 12:20:34 pm »

Also looking at their interactions, I don't think WCD and EFHW are on the same team.

Which makes me feel more towny about WCD

Do you mean you think they're not both on the scum team?
If they were both on the town team, they wouldn't really know if they were on the same team or not, so how can you tell if they're on the same team or not?

I think he meant what he said. Meaning in their interactions, it looks like  exactly one of the two of them is scum even though you aren't sure which one it is, not just that they don't look like a scum team, which is a different read altogether.
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Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D4!)
« Reply #1081 on: November 26, 2018, 03:40:37 pm »

Also looking at their interactions, I don't think WCD and EFHW are on the same team.

Which makes me feel more towny about WCD

Do you mean you think they're not both on the scum team?
If they were both on the town team, they wouldn't really know if they were on the same team or not, so how can you tell if they're on the same team or not?

I think he meant what he said. Meaning in their interactions, it looks like  exactly one of the two of them is scum even though you aren't sure which one it is, not just that they don't look like a scum team, which is a different read altogether.
Oh ok. I don't get how that works, but I will defer to those with greater experience.
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Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D4!)
« Reply #1082 on: November 26, 2018, 03:44:43 pm »

I feel like if Fang flips town and EFHW is on the guillotine, we’ll be annoyed we put all our eggs in that basket. If he flips scum, different story.

@WCD
End of day 3, you were townreading EFHW based on a number of things (and I was glad to see that you at least had taken my advice to do a careful read through the end of day 2).

Also, at about the same time, you helped launch my wagon. So presumably you thought I was scum.

Now you are saying that if I were scum then you think EFHW would be scum. What happened to all those reasons you had for EFHW being town? Something changed?

And, as I think you give the best answers when you're under pressure, vote: WCD.
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Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D4!)
« Reply #1083 on: November 26, 2018, 03:47:00 pm »

Also looking at their interactions, I don't think WCD and EFHW are on the same team.

Which makes me feel more towny about WCD

Do you mean you think they're not both on the scum team?
If they were both on the town team, they wouldn't really know if they were on the same team or not, so how can you tell if they're on the same team or not?

I think he meant what he said. Meaning in their interactions, it looks like  exactly one of the two of them is scum even though you aren't sure which one it is, not just that they don't look like a scum team, which is a different read altogether.
Oh ok. I don't get how that works, but I will defer to those with greater experience.

Hmmm...I don't know Joseph well enough to say, but I thought it was that WCD and EFHW weren't scum together. We have been opposed to each other quite a bit, especially early on, so I thought he meant we weren't working together (agreed), but I think we could both be town with different play styles.

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Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D4!)
« Reply #1084 on: November 26, 2018, 04:00:37 pm »

I feel like if Fang flips town and EFHW is on the guillotine, we’ll be annoyed we put all our eggs in that basket. If he flips scum, different story.

@WCD
End of day 3, you were townreading EFHW based on a number of things (and I was glad to see that you at least had taken my advice to do a careful read through the end of day 2).

Also, at about the same time, you helped launch my wagon. So presumably you thought I was scum.

Now you are saying that if I were scum then you think EFHW would be scum. What happened to all those reasons you had for EFHW being town? Something changed?

And, as I think you give the best answers when you're under pressure, vote: WCD.

I think there is a better than good chance that you are scum. If you are, then all of the partner stuff with EFHW becomes way more telling, especially later on when she still reads you as town when others of us did not. Even now, this feels like you trying to defend her as not your partner from the guillotine.

EFHW is very no-nonsense. I do quite a bit of nonsense chatter that she (very likely) does not appreciate. This helps create a friction in the game that is about personalities, not play necessarily. I have been trying to learn from others who have played with her more...mcmc has found her consistently scummy while others haven't, so I am trying to look at their reasons.
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Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D4!)
« Reply #1085 on: November 26, 2018, 06:47:55 pm »

I have to take issue with the idea that if fang is scum I must be his partner. Scum usually buddy town, not their partners.
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Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D4!)
« Reply #1086 on: November 26, 2018, 06:52:17 pm »

I have to take issue with the idea that if fang is scum I must be his partner. Scum usually buddy town, not their partners.

Agreed...I don’t think it’s an “if, then”. Rather, it’s hard to read people in context waiting for Fang’s flip.
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Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D4!)
« Reply #1087 on: November 26, 2018, 08:22:20 pm »

I have to take issue with the idea that if fang is scum I must be his partner. Scum usually buddy town, not their partners.

"Experienced scum usually buddy town, not their partners." ftfy
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Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D4!)
« Reply #1088 on: November 26, 2018, 09:24:15 pm »

I have to take issue with the idea that if fang is scum I must be his partner. Scum usually buddy town, not their partners.

"Experienced scum usually buddy town, not their partners." ftfy
With the game fang has played, if he is scum he could figure out not to act like he likes his partners too much.
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Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D4!)
« Reply #1089 on: November 26, 2018, 10:48:23 pm »

Prod everyone but EFHW, fang, mcmc, and WCD?
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Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D4!)
« Reply #1090 on: November 27, 2018, 02:32:23 am »

Prod everyone but EFHW, fang, mcmc, and WCD?
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Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D4!)
« Reply #1091 on: November 27, 2018, 02:33:03 am »

I have to take issue with the idea that if fang is scum I must be his partner. Scum usually buddy town, not their partners.

"Experienced scum usually buddy town, not their partners." ftfy
Agree that if fang flips scum it doesn't look good for EFHW IMO
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Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D4!)
« Reply #1092 on: November 27, 2018, 06:07:56 am »

Prod everyone but EFHW, fang, mcmc, and WCD?

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Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D2!)
« Reply #1093 on: November 27, 2018, 06:08:34 am »

Vote count 4.2

EFHW (2): pingpongsam, DatSwan
WestCoastDidds (1): infangthief
Not voting (6): Dylan32, Joseph2302, Awaclus, WestCoastDidds, EFHW, mcmcsalot

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With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 4 ends Thursday, 29th of November, at 12pm
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Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D4!)
« Reply #1094 on: November 27, 2018, 06:16:02 am »

Prod recieved.

I do not see a good option outside of EFHW today.
- If Fang flips Skum and EFHW is Skum, then the game ends.
- If fang flips Town, and EFHW is on the block - I like our chances of having skum on the block to continue our efforts.
- If Fang flips Skum, and EFHW is on the block then we gain all the info for read backs based on knowing EFHW's alignment. Which, is obviously very valuable this game.

Where else do we go?
The joseph case was brought up and ignored or fought with.
Not gonna be PPS.
Awaclus would be blind strategy.
Fang is on the block.

So, [Swan Dylan, WCD, MCMC]... or EFHW.

Someone make a case one someone if they don't wan't EFHW.
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Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D4!)
« Reply #1095 on: November 27, 2018, 06:27:01 am »

I’m here, Unvote for now.
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Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D4!)
« Reply #1096 on: November 27, 2018, 06:30:38 am »

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Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D4!)
« Reply #1097 on: November 27, 2018, 07:51:56 am »

@DatSwan: How come you were so careful to say I wasn't necessarily scummy for my bussing theory but then jumped eagerly on my wagon when pps voted?
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Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D4!)
« Reply #1098 on: November 27, 2018, 08:52:17 am »

So I’m worried that today is by far the least scummy day efhw has had all game and the general consensus is that she is going to be lynched despite me pushing hard for her lynch all game and being absent so far today.

Swan I want you to as quickly as you can out together a case on efhw.
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Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D4!)
« Reply #1099 on: November 27, 2018, 09:00:23 am »

In reference to the E kill versus the pps kill I thinks it’s purely wifom in terms of their opposing reads on efhw.

Swan makes an extremely long and interesting point about if fang is scum or town why scum would kill e over pps and comes to the conclusion that scum feel confident. I disagree with pps and anyone else saying that long circular post is towny.
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