Sorry, fell asleep earlier and got busy. Next person I'm reading is EFHW since they seem to be the pivotal person one way or another today. My thoughts going in aren't exactly a secret, but I am gonna do my best to look beyond the confirmation bias. I'll try to make this more comprehensive than my Swan post. Analysis in italics. Here goes...
39: asks pps what the interesting setup wrinkles are. Could suggest less setup thought than what scum would probably have done and discussed N0?
51: ah, clarifies that the question was "about your comment on your playstyle, not the setup."
97: main problem with lynch faust plan post. This is the initial post I scumread EFHW for. The main problem with the plan is that the most likely outcome barring some actual reason to think faust was scum is that it just makes scum's job easier for them. D1 scumhunting tends to be a crapshoot anyway, and while you obviously hope to find and hit scum D1, it's more crucial to generate info that can help hunt down all the scum the next days. To that end, there's basically no reason to ever lynch faust D1 unless he is legitimately scummy because even though scum could play the WIFOM game, they usually don't. But even when they do let town!him live, we get info from it that would be lost if we just preemptively lynched him, such as the scum team is willing to risk playing with a live faust, suggesting either scum that don't know faust or ones that are quite experienced.
98: RVS?vote: Robz
Joseph starts a wagon on chairs for his comments on the faust speculation for sounding like he was already planning to set up his mislynch later, Awaclus and pps join without additional comment. #146: "Did I miss something about chairs?" Partner points
Next is a conversation with/about her vote for PPS due to his "lazy read." The whole interaction seem NAI, as it's pretty normal questioning/explaining original meaning that would be standard play for both alignments. EFHW comes out of the exchange not looking any scummier.
#154: goes along with WCD wagon, votes.
#357: Votes robz, willing to go back to WCD.
#404: parks vote on Joseph. Probably self-preservation. Prior to her vote, the leading wagons were Joseph (4), EFHW(3), Robz (2), 6 hours before the deadline.
#414: goes back to Robz, Joseph vote "more annoyance than scumread" Wagons now Joseph (4), EFHW (3), Robz (4)
#437: flips to Joseph, regrets leaving WCD wagon. bails from leading wagon to Joseph
D1
#495: Doubles down on wcd scumread and votes as such.
#497: defends against hypercube wagon and VCA driven vote.
#527: questions my vote on fang. more partner points if fang flips scum
580: big reread of and change from scumread to "withholding judgement" on WCD.
607: finds infangthief towny, doesn't want to lynch him because he's "an asset in the game" Not a scummy post in isolation, but there are yet more partner points towards fang pending flip
618: Self-defense, ended with "I'll reread hypercube next."
619: More self-defense
620: naked wcd vote. WCD voted for EFHW 5 posts earlier, so either EFHW softened on that better feeling she had been feeling about WCD or this is a little omgus
697: Pretty set on lynching WCD; Space, fang, DatSwan untouchable for today, open to be persuaded on anyone else. Needless to say, more fang partner points possibly coming
749: intent to hammer hypercube Town points, but could also be used for town points without actually intending to hammer hoping someone else does or the wagon moves somewhere else. EFHW is good enough to pull that.
753: RE: cube's fakeclaim - "This coyld [sic] so easily be a fakeclaim." Again, either towny, or scum taking advantage of knowing that it is a fakeclaim for easy cred later since at some point later on when the lie is inevitably discovered.
Discusses implication of potential fakeclaim with pps for several posts.
Moves to me because is ok letting hypercube live for now. This is before the counterclaim.
There's a long-ish conversation between pps and EFHW about the fakeclaim and counterclaim, EFHW seems to get frustrated a bit about it (specifically the ppe in #836). Earlier, I was mildly scumreading EFHW for this section, but now I can't really see anything that I could put my finger on, other than the fact I generally agree with what PPS was saying, and so it feels like EFHW is opposite aligned from me for that.
There's a couple posts about how scum!EFHW would have stayed on the WCD wagon.
#871: agrees that fang's post (and at a couple other times in the game) has a buddying feel to it; throws some very mild shade at fang for being quiet since the marathon not a sprint comment. This would seem to be the only way for EFHW to respond as either alignment when someone else is called out for buddying her. If it was a one way buddy street, this would be fine, but there are a ton of potential buddy points going from EFHW to fang as well, so the defense kind of falls flat in my eyes.
Some NAI posts and questions asked.
#879: sets lynchpool curiously at "Dylan, Awaclus, Fang" This pool is set in spite of 1) continuously being suspicious of Joseph (although she did quote a post in which one of her questions to Joseph had been answered earlier and said "I guess this explains it", but it seems like there was more of a scumread than that one question, so maybe this one is understandable on 2nd thought) 2) townreading fang up until the buddy post with no other scumread stated between then and here 3) Literally no mention of Awaclus prior to this. I'm literally the only person in this lynchpool that makes sense to be in EFHW's pool based on her previous posts, and you can make the case that several other people should have been included if these were genuine opinions instead of a manufactured list.
#906: Asks 3 questions about my lynchpool post in 905. 1) was based on misreading it. 2) Why is fang on would lynch list? 3) Why was she on my "really want to lynch" list? 1 is a non-issue, 3 is totally normal, but questioning my scumread on fang again without mentioning anyone else is partnery again. Went on to question how I went from my string of posts where I went from scumreading DatSwan and questioning Joseph to realizing they were both town to the lists that I did. That particular criticism is NAI.
There's a ton of self-defense in the next several posts.
#958: fang, "I'm fairly sure EFHW is town." Acknowledges a scum!EFHW narrative, but doesn't think a couple things could have been faked. Asks a question in defense of EFHW. I can't wait for fang to flip, cuz I'm starting to realize my EFHW read started off as more of a gut than actual evidence, but if fang flips scum, EFHW should immediately be the next lynch at this point.
#969: "I am very much on the fence about fang." No comment
#978: Decides I'm not as random and scummy read all at once as my infrequency would make you feel. POE leads her to Awaclus, fang, and mcmc, had been townreading mcmc. Fang was "so very towny early on, though there were a couple things I didn't mention that gave me pause. They seemed like insignificant details at the time. I'll look it over again." unvotes Fang was starting to feel some pressure, so this would have been a good time to try and find some distance. Admittedly could also be a townsperson changing their read...
#1000: Recognizes fang agreeing with her a lot, lists reasons for townread and they things that he alluded to that gave him pause. Says POE main reason she's still on the fence.
#1004: Read hypercube, points out 4 posts. 276: cube townread EFHW, pps, and fang. New scum including both partners in townread list?! 554: Cube said fang seemed kind of scummy but was the same way as town in NM13. 577: where cube votes EFHW and townreads fang. 683: Cube says he wouldn't lynch fang. So there's evidence of partner townreading and some possible bussing. I would need to check the context of 577.
#1006: Says cube went after her consistently, but could see a fang/hypercube partner thing.
#1007: Last post of D3, says will be on before deadline and will pick a place to vote then waiting for a vote count, but is leaning towards fang. That vote never came as pps hammered fairly early in the morning.
Most of D4 has been EFHW pushing a scum!busing!Joseph narrative that it seems most people don't buy and trying to ask questions of people who are pushing her lynch to try to defend herself.
Man, after all of that (been sitting here for at least an hour at this point...), I'm actually a little surprised by how few specific posts I actually thought were scummy, but also surprised at just how much EFHW and fang look like partners. If fang flips scum, nothing short of someone pulling a hypercube and claiming scum will convince me to move my vote off of EFHW. However, if Fang flips town, it would seem that I would have to put EFHW more towards a null read than a true scum read.... At this point, I'm not sure, but lynching someone else today that might be a hypercube partner but not a fang partner would be a better strategy than lynching EFHW today, unless other people did actually see specific scummy things that I missed other than the partner stuff.
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