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[Joseph2302]

BTW, we definiteky get a lynch even without a majority vote. So throwing votes on someone just to get the hammer (like usually happens) won't be necessary

[infangthief]

vote: Joseph

[infangthief]

Townreads most definitely help town when I'm town

So... have you posted any?

, and posting townreads has hurt me as scum

Ah, is that why?

[infangthief]

Wow, I should go on holiday more often to get townread :-P

Back now, skimmed a bit of what's going on, but will have to re-read tomorrow to form actual opinions and stuff. Night night!

You've been posting even less since you've been back.

[faust]

The case against chairs doesn't really make sense: if he was scum why would he bother trying to get faust mislynched? There aren't any protective roles so if faust is town scum can just nightkill him. I assume chairs was just being paranoid about the possibility of scum!faust.

Vote: hypercube

You're already on there you know.

I don't assume you managed to locate my question to you in the meantime?

No what was it (please just repost- on phone and hard to search)

Can you point me to a post from you before LaLight pointed you to the link with the win conditions that shows that you knew the town win condition?

[WestCoastDidds]

The only way that is scummy is if you are looking for reasons to think me scummy.

So that means that I am scum? So why do you not vote for me?

I'm not saying that it makes you scummy. I am saying that if you are looking for reasons to find me scummy then it makes sense, but if you are looking at my posts on face, they are not scummy for the reasons you have stated (using someone else's arguments). Its seems more like confirmation bias than anything else.

I don't think you are scummy for your conclusion-- it seemed to have started with "meh" which I think is generally a good description of my play. I just don't think you are reading me fairly.

[faust]

BTW, we definiteky get a lynch even without a majority vote. So throwing votes on someone just to get the hammer (like usually happens) won't be necessary

It will because this process would lead to people being lynched without having the chance to claim, which we absolutely want to avoid.

[EFHW]

Let’s quick lynch somebody.

vote: Robz.

Also willing to go back to WCD.

[faust]

The only way that is scummy is if you are looking for reasons to think me scummy.

So that means that I am scum? So why do you not vote for me?

I'm not saying that it makes you scummy. I am saying that if you are looking for reasons to find me scummy then it makes sense, but if you are looking at my posts on face, they are not scummy for the reasons you have stated (using someone else's arguments). Its seems more like confirmation bias than anything else.

I don't think you are scummy for your conclusion-- it seemed to have started with "meh" which I think is generally a good description of my play. I just don't think you are reading me fairly.

Well I am telling you now that I have had all those thoughts before voting for you. I did not look for reasons to find you scummy, I read along and came to the conclusion that you are scum.

So you seem to be of the opinion that this cannot be, that I must have gone looking for stuff. I am telling you know, that's not waht happened. So by your argument, I am lying and thus scum.

[faust]

Let’s quick lynch somebody.

vote: Robz.

Also willing to go back to WCD.

So why do you break up a perfectly fine wagon if you're willing to go back anyway?

[faust]

The only way that is scummy is if you are looking for reasons to think me scummy.

So that means that I am scum? So why do you not vote for me?

I'm not saying that it makes you scummy. I am saying that if you are looking for reasons to find me scummy then it makes sense, but if you are looking at my posts on face, they are not scummy for the reasons you have stated (using someone else's arguments). Its seems more like confirmation bias than anything else.

I don't think you are scummy for your conclusion-- it seemed to have started with "meh" which I think is generally a good description of my play. I just don't think you are reading me fairly.

Well I am telling you now that I have had all those thoughts before voting for you. I did not look for reasons to find you scummy, I read along and came to the conclusion that you are scum.

So you seem to be of the opinion that this cannot be, that I must have gone looking for stuff. I am telling you now, that's not what happened. So by your argument, I am lying and thus scum.

Sorry, that post was a bit messy. I cleaned it up here.

[EFHW]

Let’s quick lynch somebody.

vote: Robz.

Also willing to go back to WCD.

So why do you break up a perfectly fine wagon if you're willing to go back anyway?

I like a Robz lynch just a bit more than a WCD lynch. But really, I'm happy with either. I would also vote Joseph, but that's more out of being miffed than from seeing anything as particularly scummy.

[WestCoastDidds]

Well I am telling you now that I have had all those thoughts before voting for you. I did not look for reasons to find you scummy, I read along and came to the conclusion that you are scum.

So you seem to be of the opinion that this cannot be, that I must have gone looking for stuff. I am telling you know, that's not waht happened. So by your argument, I am lying and thus scum.

I can't answer your feelings, only the arguments. I don't think there is a good argument for finding me scummy. I don't think you are lying (maybe I am just uncomfortable with that term) about your impression, but rather that it is unfair to say that I was trying to buddy you, avoid the crummy wagons, or that I was wrong for using an argument that someone else generated as my reason for voting.

As to my wagon....Awaclus has provided zero information about his decision, same with EFHW when she was on me, and hypercube's reason consisted of something along the lines of "I don't usually do that" so it is not a terribly compelling case.  Others have said its a bad wagon, so it seems either scummy or lazy to target me when there are actual scum to be found.

[mcmcsalot]

Let’s quick lynch somebody.

vote: Robz.

Also willing to go back to WCD.

So why do you break up a perfectly fine wagon if you're willing to go back anyway?

I like a Robz lynch just a bit more than a WCD lynch. But really, I'm happy with either. I would also vote Joseph, but that's more out of being miffed than from seeing anything as particularly scummy.

This is very strange, I like the robz lynch much better than the wcd lynch but that’s because I think wcd is town. You are a primary pusher of the wcd lynch and you now things robz is scummier based of lurking and his quicklynch comment???

This feels like the robz lynch is way more defensible than the wcd lynch from scum!efhw’s perspective and so she’s is willing to lynch either but going to join the momentum based bandwagon wagon

[Awaclus]

I don't think there is a good argument for finding me scummy.

Finding you scummy is the default. Is there a good argument for finding you towny?

[infangthief]

Let’s quick lynch somebody.

vote: Robz.

Also willing to go back to WCD.

So why do you break up a perfectly fine wagon if you're willing to go back anyway?

I like a Robz lynch just a bit more than a WCD lynch. But really, I'm happy with either. I would also vote Joseph, but that's more out of being miffed than from seeing anything as particularly scummy.

I think I'd like to join your club EFHW.
I'd like to read through Robz and WCD again, but I don't recall seeing anything to disuade me from voting for either of them.
I expect to be back on later today.

[faust]

In the end it seems best to just go back to vote: Joseph. Can't go wrong with that. Worst case, we lynch the SK.

[faust]

And request prod on Space. Their only vote this game has been RVS.

[WestCoastDidds]

I think I'd like to join your club EFHW.
I'd like to read through Robz and WCD again, but I don't recall seeing anything to disuade me from voting for either of them.
I expect to be back on later today.

Gads, Fang, seriously? You have only thought me town up until now and EFHW hasn't articulated any reason to for her vote. Look back...she agreed with Faust's "meh" comment and that was it. That's persuasive to you?

[Awaclus]

EFHW hasn't articulated any reason to for her vote.

You haven't articulated any reason for why she shouldn't be voting for you.

[mcmcsalot]

I think I'd like to join your club EFHW.
I'd like to read through Robz and WCD again, but I don't recall seeing anything to disuade me from voting for either of them.
I expect to be back on later today.

Gads, Fang, seriously? You have only thought me town up until now and EFHW hasn't articulated any reason to for her vote. Look back...she agreed with Faust's "meh" comment and that was it. That's persuasive to you?

Agreed, “i’d like to join your club” is also a super scummy sounding way to say I agree with you. Might I say day one partner call?

[WestCoastDidds]

Let’s quick lynch somebody.

vote: Robz.

Also willing to go back to WCD.

So why do you break up a perfectly fine wagon if you're willing to go back anyway?

I like a Robz lynch just a bit more than a WCD lynch. But really, I'm happy with either. I would also vote Joseph, but that's more out of being miffed than from seeing anything as particularly scummy.

This is very strange, I like the robz lynch much better than the wcd lynch but that’s because I think wcd is town. You are a primary pusher of the wcd lynch and you now things robz is scummier based of lurking and his quicklynch comment???

This feels like the robz lynch is way more defensible than the wcd lynch from scum!efhw’s perspective and so she’s is willing to lynch either but going to join the momentum based bandwagon wagon

What are your thoughts about this, Fang?

[faust]

Might I say that I would also be fine with lynching mcmc?

[mcmcsalot]

EFHW hasn't articulated any reason to for her vote.

You haven't articulated any reason for why she shouldn't be voting for you.

I fell like she has based on general tone and genuine attempts to develop reads. Also from a
Meta argument wcd reads very similar to how she played in newbie mafia 12 where I pegged her as town right away from the specy before I joined the game.

[mcmcsalot]

Might I say that I would also be fine with lynching mcmc?

Is it because of the parter call because I know you love those