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Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D3!)
« Reply #950 on: November 18, 2018, 11:23:27 am »

I never got an answer to this:

Why isn't e on the probably town list?

What has fang done to be on your would lynch list?

What have I done to rate a "really want to lynch"?

You just made a string of posts, mostly calling Datswan and Joseph scummy. Then you townread them and apparently randomly scum read me and fang. Really wanting to lynch me is pretty strong feelings. Based on what? There has to be more than my "all alone as town" comment.

You and fang were scummy earlier, and nothing has really changed my mind.
But how were we scummy? PPS and mcmc have their reasons (that are wrong, but they're putting some thought into it). You just say "you're scummy". Do you have details in mind or are you using them for cover and hopping on a popular wagon?

How were you not scummy?
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Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D3!)
« Reply #951 on: November 18, 2018, 11:27:20 am »

I've explained my actions at length by this point, so you should find an answer to your question in my previous posts. To summarize, I have been scumhunting.
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Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D3!)
« Reply #952 on: November 18, 2018, 09:13:17 pm »

I have now finished reads on EFHW, Dylan, and MCMC. I am doing a WCD now, but need to stop because I have to go out and I want to post something while it is fresh in my head.

EFHW - I have posted pretty much all my opinons on EFHW prior to this, so I am not gonna waste the space. To summarize... If I read them through Day 3 and a half... they are the skummiest skum that has ever skummed... But most of it is by association. For the last half a day they have done an excellent job of both defending themselves and attempting to hunt at the same time.  We would have quite a bit to look back on regarding Fang, Dylan, WCD, Joseph, (and I should put in) myself... based on a EFHW flip. Combine that with I do think there is a decent chance they flip red - EFHW remains in my lynchpool.


Dylan - They have been pushing EFHW from Day 1. I mention this because EFHW is such a popular target right now. Dylan's flip could be valuable to identifying EFHW's alignment. They have provided content in pretty much the same fashion I have this game - this is to say they are not around and then catch up all in one burst. Attempting to look past the frequency in the posting, and instead focusing on the content... Dylan is a complicated decision.
The only skum points I can assign is their absence plus the fact that they have provided reads lists on an updated basis fairly consistently, and the only alterations are those players that have not been essentially IC'd (or actually IC'd) and then Joseph.

MCMC - I have to leave. I will update this later.


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Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D3!)
« Reply #953 on: November 18, 2018, 09:13:34 pm »

that is L-1
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Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D3!)
« Reply #954 on: November 18, 2018, 10:17:22 pm »

vote: Dylan.

DatSwan, if I've been so consistently scummy, why didn't you say anything before?
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Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D3!)
« Reply #955 on: November 18, 2018, 10:19:07 pm »

You say I've been attempting to scumhunt. That sounds to me like you know I am town.
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Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D3!)
« Reply #956 on: November 18, 2018, 10:19:53 pm »

vote: DatSwan
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Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D3!)
« Reply #957 on: November 18, 2018, 10:28:44 pm »

You could be town with a strong instinct that I am also town. Or you are scum.
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Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D3!)
« Reply #958 on: November 19, 2018, 02:26:21 am »

I'm fairly sure EFHW is town.

Reading through the end of day 2 I did find a scum!EFHW narrative, but there are a couple of big obstacles to it, that I don't think could be faked.

For anyone on the EFHW wagon, or considering hammering, does it really fit with the end of day 2, or are you just picking out one or two comments that look scummy?
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Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D3!)
« Reply #959 on: November 19, 2018, 06:00:19 am »

Awaclus is Awaclus. The case on him needs to show partnering with scum or strongly suspected scum, I think.
That said Awaclus is a busser. Takes one to know one, lol.
So if Awaclus is scum, then he might partner other scum, or he might bus other scum. Or, like, you know, he might not. Well that's helpful.

But, ok, I'll expand the case a bit. I would like to suggest #722 is partnery. This is immediately after Robz votes for hyper, which hyper later identified as a bit of a turning point. So does Awaclus also think something significant has just happened, and he decides to give the WCD wagon some momentum at this point?
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Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D3!)
« Reply #960 on: November 19, 2018, 06:06:11 am »

Vote: Datswan

Looking back at things and reminded why I thought Dylan was town.
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Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D3!)
« Reply #961 on: November 19, 2018, 07:24:58 am »

Was injured this weekend. Hope to do something today. No one hammer EFHW. If that’s going to happen let me do it.
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Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D3!)
« Reply #962 on: November 19, 2018, 08:00:00 am »

Was injured this weekend. Hope to do something today. No one hammer EFHW. If that’s going to happen let me do it.

Hope you are doing well

Also, yes. Hammer should be pps if anyone.
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Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D3!)
« Reply #963 on: November 19, 2018, 08:09:46 am »

PPS, I’m sorry to hear that you’re injured. I hope you’re feeling better soon.

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Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D3!)
« Reply #964 on: November 19, 2018, 08:12:52 am »

vote: DatSwan
Is his omgus or do you think swan is scummier than fang and Dylan?
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Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D3!)
« Reply #965 on: November 19, 2018, 08:34:31 am »

vote: DatSwan
Is his omgus or do you think swan is scummier than fang and Dylan?
I think he may have scumslipped. This about face is also scummy.
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Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D3!)
« Reply #966 on: November 19, 2018, 08:40:20 am »

vote: DatSwan
Is his omgus or do you think swan is scummier than fang and Dylan?
I think he may have scumslipped. This about face is also scummy.
Okay and you previously voted Dylan what is your case on him?
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Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D2!)
« Reply #967 on: November 19, 2018, 08:46:41 am »

PPS, I’m sorry to hear that you’re injured. I hope you’re feeling better soon.

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EFHW (4): mcmcsalot, Joseph2302, Dylan32, datswan
pingpongsam (1): pingpongsam
infangthief (1): Awaclus
Awaclus (1): infangthief
Dylan32 (1): westcoastdids
datswan (2): EFHW, 2.71828...
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With 10 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 3 ends Tuesday, 20th of November, at 11am.
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Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D3!)
« Reply #968 on: November 19, 2018, 09:20:06 am »

vote: DatSwan
Is his omgus or do you think swan is scummier than fang and Dylan?
I think he may have scumslipped. This about face is also scummy.
Okay and you previously voted Dylan what is your case on him?
His convenient jumping on my wagon. And I was sheeping e. And survival. His wagon seemed like the most likely alternative to mine before I saw the possible slip in Datswan's post.
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Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D3!)
« Reply #969 on: November 19, 2018, 09:23:02 am »

I am very much on the fence about fang.
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Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D3!)
« Reply #970 on: November 19, 2018, 10:04:46 am »

Vote: Datswan

Looking back at things and reminded why I thought Dylan was town.

E can you convince me efhw is town? You seem to strongly read her as town and I strongly read her as scum. Even the most recent back and forth which I am trying to view her as town comes
across as really scummy to me.

I agree with you on Dylan, I read him and other than being extremely unhelpful, he hasn’t done anything scummy. His vote for efhw is not opportunistic at all he has consistently scumread efhw all game and has made a few self corrections that seemed towny.
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Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D3!)
« Reply #971 on: November 19, 2018, 10:36:09 am »

vote: Fang
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Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D3!)
« Reply #972 on: November 19, 2018, 11:20:02 am »

I reread the end of D2, and it suggests that EFHW and DatSwan are town. Here's where I am giving them town points:

EFHW spent most of day 2 voting for me (along with Fang and Hyper). The hypercube wagon was begun by my sense that something was off because of the way that Hyper accused EFHW of moving around to avoid being on the Robz mislynch wagon when he did some moving around of the same sort. I don't think that Hyper would have used taken one of his scum buddies to task like he did EFHW (posts 496, 498).

Back to the end of D2, after my Hyper vote, Hyper then voted for me, and then Robz voted for Hyper, and then Awaclus voted for me. None of those had any reasons or explanation. Space voted for Hyper a few posts later, but also without much in the way of reasons. So it likely wouldn't have taken much more than a well reasoned argument to move the wagon away from Hyper at that point. When DatSwan joins the wagon, it reaches a critical mass (4) and the tides seem to turn because the folks on the WCD wagon (EFHW, Fang, Awaclus, and Hyper) aren't as towny as the Hyper one (WCD, Robz, Space, DatSwan).

A page or so later, EFHW had intent to hammer on Hyper and then was the most interactive with him about the fake claim. She also proposed an alternative lynch when we weren't sure there was a CC, but I don't see this as scummy because it was never really more than idea and she didn't do much to defend hypercube. So, while she wasn't on the Hyper wagon at the end, I think she would have been of that weird Hyper self-vote, PPS hammer hadn't happened as quickly as it did.

So, why Fang? Well, why not? Fang has closely tracked EFHW this whole game, often aligning his positions with hers. That seems like a good kind of new scum pattern and gives him plenty of cover. D1 and D2 she had him firmly in her town camp, so it seems to have paid off, too. But when I read him more closely, I see him asking lots of questions but not coming up with very good plays as a result.
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Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D3!)
« Reply #973 on: November 19, 2018, 11:22:20 am »

Back from VLA and on vacation, so I'll do my best to be more active for a while, with the obvious exception of Thursday (wooo turkey).
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Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D3!)
« Reply #974 on: November 19, 2018, 12:08:13 pm »

WCD - You said DatSwan was town. What was your thinking there?
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