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[WestCoastDidds]

I'm obviously willing to go back to Joseph but it doesn't seem like anything is changing unless multiple people leave the Robz wagon.

Sorry, I got confused by this and then the switch back to Joseph just before DL  at Faust’s urging

[WestCoastDidds]

Interestingly, WCD also thought I'd voted for Robz as of #503. I don't think she'd have made that mistake again if she had actually reread me in between then and now.

So that means at least one scum in {e, PPS, Joseph, WCD, Space, ingathief}

Not necessarily, right? Since it was a plurality instead of a majority, there were 6 other people with different votes in addition to Robz and faust. Once Robz lynch was assured, both EFHW and hyper jumped off and onto a wagon they knew wouldn’t make. The same with mcmc, Dylan, Awaclus, and DatSwan (not the jumping just the being on wagons going nowhere). I don’t know why scum would leave themselves on a town lynch wagon when it was going to make regardless. The VCA works much better when a majority is required to lynch.

No, I wasn’t confused there. I was talking about moving around on votes that wouldn’t end up with a you being scrutinized after the lynch. From Space to Joseph or wherever, as long as it wasn’t Robz, kept you from being looked at after the lynch went down.

The fact that it wasn’t Robz was my mistake, but it wasn’t my argument. My argument is that you were trying to be part of a wagon that you knew was irrelevant.

[WestCoastDidds]

My wagon is super scummy. It’s the only real wagon happening with with less than 20 hours to DL, so I’m assuming I’ll die. I’m not going to be around to figure out why or provide any explanation other than what I have, though, because weekend fun is real!

I’m 100% town, so when you all find that out for sure, remember EFHW and hyper have been on me pretty consistently D1 and 2. If one of them jumps before I get lynched, the jig is up for sure.

Have fun!

[hypercube]

Interestingly, WCD also thought I'd voted for Robz as of #503. I don't think she'd have made that mistake again if she had actually reread me in between then and now.

So that means at least one scum in {e, PPS, Joseph, WCD, Space, ingathief}

Not necessarily, right? Since it was a plurality instead of a majority, there were 6 other people with different votes in addition to Robz and faust. Once Robz lynch was assured, both EFHW and hyper jumped off and onto a wagon they knew wouldn’t make. The same with mcmc, Dylan, Awaclus, and DatSwan (not the jumping just the being on wagons going nowhere). I don’t know why scum would leave themselves on a town lynch wagon when it was going to make regardless. The VCA works much better when a majority is required to lynch.

No, I wasn’t confused there. I was talking about moving around on votes that wouldn’t end up with a you being scrutinized after the lynch. From Space to Joseph or wherever, as long as it wasn’t Robz, kept you from being looked at after the lynch went down.

The fact that it wasn’t Robz was my mistake, but it wasn’t my argument. My argument is that you were trying to be part of a wagon that you knew was irrelevant.

I was moving around because I thought Robz was a bad lynch and I was joining faust in trying to find consensus on someone else. I didn't think we had anything from Robz that was alignment indicative, so I much preferred scumhunting to lynching someone who was absent and, based on probability, likely town.

If I wanted to avoid being scrutinized, I could have just avoided moving my vote in the first place, but obviously I was motivated to be active and try to lynch scum.

[infangthief]

Sorry I've not been around much the last couple of days. Been a bit burnt out, and I honestly don't know if I'm going to be on much (or at all even) before the deadline.

Looks like there's some good discussion going on though. I've skim-read it. One thing I noticed is that WCD's reason for unvoting EFHW has now changed. Either that or she was only ever voting EFHW because other people were, and 'there is a 1 in 4 chance she is scum'. Just all seems a bit odd, so I'm going to leave my vote there.

[WestCoastDidds]

Sorry I've not been around much the last couple of days. Been a bit burnt out, and I honestly don't know if I'm going to be on much (or at all even) before the deadline.

Looks like there's some good discussion going on though. I've skim-read it. One thing I noticed is that WCD's reason for unvoting EFHW has now changed. Either that or she was only ever voting EFHW because other people were, and 'there is a 1 in 4 chance she is scum'. Just all seems a bit odd, so I'm going to leave my vote there.

The reasons haven’t changed, just more fleshed out.

Don’t forget, Fang, you thought I was scum every day of our game in the elect and I was nothing but town. Same then as I am now. If you want to lynch scum, keep looking. I’m resigned to being lynched but I want us to win.

[WestCoastDidds]

Sorry I've not been around much the last couple of days. Been a bit burnt out, and I honestly don't know if I'm going to be on much (or at all even) before the deadline.

Looks like there's some good discussion going on though. I've skim-read it. One thing I noticed is that WCD's reason for unvoting EFHW has now changed. Either that or she was only ever voting EFHW because other people were, and 'there is a 1 in 4 chance she is scum'. Just all seems a bit odd, so I'm going to leave my vote there.

The reasons haven’t changed, just more fleshed out.

Don’t forget, Fang, you thought I was scum every day of our game in the elect and I was nothing but town. Same then as I am now. If you want to lynch scum, keep looking. I’m resigned to being lynched but I want us to win.

In the speccy, not the elect

[EFHW]

My wagon is super scummy. It’s the only real wagon happening with with less than 20 hours to DL, so I’m assuming I’ll die. I’m not going to be around to figure out why or provide any explanation other than what I have, though, because weekend fun is real!

I’m 100% town, so when you all find that out for sure, remember EFHW and hyper have been on me pretty consistently D1 and 2. If one of them jumps before I get lynched, the jig is up for sure.

Have fun!

You're town but we should continue voting you or be accused of being scum?

[EFHW]

vote count please!

[Dylan32]

Guys, I'm super sorry. Had a work conference today that had me VLA, forgot to post about it, and I have some stuff I have to get done before tomorrow morning, so I won't be able to catch up tonight and have a really busy day tomorrow, so I'm basically LA until Monday.

[SpaceAnemone]

I'm in the middle of an infangthief re-read, but it's getting super late here. I want to get a vote down before sleeping, since a bunch of you may be thinking and posting while I'm asleep (or so we can hope!).

I'm pretty sure that there's scum somewhere in {Joseph, Fang, Hyper}, because of the way Joseph's D1 wagon went, so that's my preferred pool for today. I'm part-way-through a detailed re-read of Fang that is turning out mostly townie but with some definite scummy streaks. If I listen to mcmc/WCD/anyone else townreading Joseph (given that I know I have a scum bias against him generally because he can be quite an anti-town sort of town player), then I guess Hyper is the place to be for the moment, though I wish we had some actual solid evidence and flip info to go on.

Vote: Hypercube

[SpaceAnemone]

Space count as of #735:

infangthief (1): Dylan32
EFHW (2): mcmcsalot, Joseph2302
Joseph2302 (1): DatSwan
WestCoastDidds (4): EFHW, infangthief, hypercube, Awaclus
DatSwan (1): pingpongsam
pingpongsam (1): 2.71828.....
hypercube (3): WestCoastDidds, Robz888, SpaceAnemone

[Swowl]

I am here. Will be here intermittently until DL. I do not like the lack of action on the Joseph wagon, but accepting that Robz is IC i will move elsewhere. Need a minute to figure out where that move is.

Is anyone else online?

[Swowl]

Simone switch to hyper cube.

vote: Hypercube

[Joseph2302]

I am here. Will be here intermittently until DL. I do not like the lack of action on the Joseph wagon, but accepting that Robz is IC i will move elsewhere. Need a minute to figure out where that move is.

Is anyone else online?

I'll be on and off around until deadline.
Of the choices WCD or hypercube, my preferred option is someone else.

[Joseph2302]

I guess Vote: WCD is the better of the two options

[pingpongsam]

I guess Vote: WCD is the better of the two options

 I don’t think so. Basically anyone on their wagon except Awaclus is the better option.

Vote: hypercube

[hypercube]

Swan coming to try and rescue WCD makes me feel better about our chances of finding scum there.

[SpaceAnemone]

I guess Vote: WCD is the better of the two options

For reference, what do you thing of Fang?

I ask because if you don't think that Hypercube is scum, and you assert that you yourself are not scum, then analysis of your D1 5-person wagon points pretty strongly to scum!Fang from my perspective.

[Joseph2302]

Actually, let's sheep the IC. Vote: hypercube

[SpaceAnemone]

@Joseph, does sheeping the IC also imply that you've thought about my question, or are you ignoring it?

[pingpongsam]

What’s the threshold? Hyper appears to have 6 votes now.

[SpaceAnemone]

Also, that was an unannounced L-1 from Joseph.

[SpaceAnemone]

What’s the threshold? Hyper appears to have 6 votes now.

Yeah, sorry.. I should've said PPE 1.

Here's the vote count I just ran:

infangthief (1): Dylan32
EFHW (1): mcmcsalot
WestCoastDidds (4): EFHW, infangthief, hypercube, Awaclus
pingpongsam (1): 2.71828.....
hypercube (6): WestCoastDidds, Robz888, SpaceAnemone, DatSwan, pingpongsam, Joseph2302

[EFHW]

Swan coming to try and rescue WCD makes me feel better about our chances of finding scum there.

Intent to hammer