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Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D5!)
« Reply #1150 on: December 01, 2018, 12:24:10 pm »

As IC, I'm going to try to keep my opinions to myself for a lot of the day. Feel free to analyze my data.
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Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D5!)
« Reply #1151 on: December 01, 2018, 01:23:53 pm »


Oh, I am really interested in your opinions, especially since you are above suspicion. Please share!
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Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D5!)
« Reply #1152 on: December 01, 2018, 02:17:59 pm »


Oh, I am really interested in your opinions, especially since you are above suspicion. Please share!
It makes it too easy for scum to sheep. I'll say if I really disagree with something.
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Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D5!)
« Reply #1153 on: December 01, 2018, 04:56:14 pm »

I will be most likely absent for the next 1 IRL day.
Did rreads at night, which I will expand upon when I have time. In Summary - It made me interested in looking into Dylan, MCMC, and Awaclus.

The other key thing that I looked into were to comments people made on "if Fang flips skum it makes EFHW look skummy".

I will get into the individuals later, but the important part to remember is that the last skum knew the whole time Fang was going to flip skum... since there were several people trying to create ties suggesting EFHW!Fang team... I find it really weird that the EFHW lynch actually went off... I would of assumed last skum and Fang would of pushed like any other mislynch towards the end and use fang's flip to set up EFHW today.



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Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D5!)
« Reply #1154 on: December 01, 2018, 05:15:28 pm »

Which leaves, Mcmcsalot. There is very little interaction between the scum with Mcmc, and since he spent most of the game on EFHW, I'd like to hear how is is thinking about things now, and what you all are thinking about him.
Strongly agree with this.
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Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D5!)
« Reply #1155 on: December 01, 2018, 10:05:12 pm »

Welp, looks like I have some crow to eat since I did really think the game was gonna end post flip when we put EFHW on the block. Man, I guess I'm gonna have to do a full game reread, because noone else had really stuck out as scummy to me.
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Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D5!)
« Reply #1156 on: December 02, 2018, 02:13:49 am »

Welp, looks like I have some crow to eat since I did really think the game was gonna end post flip when we put EFHW on the block. Man, I guess I'm gonna have to do a full game reread, because noone else had really stuck out as scummy to me.
Unfortunately I'm in the same boat too.
I was sure EFHW was scum and so I'll need to reread.
Away today so will try and reread in 1-2 days time
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Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D5!)
« Reply #1157 on: December 02, 2018, 05:51:08 pm »

I am not very good at being patient.
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Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D5!)
« Reply #1158 on: December 02, 2018, 06:01:58 pm »

I guess I should also re-read again.
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Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D5!)
« Reply #1159 on: December 02, 2018, 09:13:38 pm »

Here is the Day 1 data:

WCD: v. EFHW at 160 (2nd), v, DatSwan at 256 (1st), v. EFHW at 304 (3rd), v, Robz at 432 (5th)
WCD Day 2 (I didn't give this before): 536 v. fang (2nd), 615 v. EFHW (4th) 636 unvote, 718 v. hyper (1st) until eod.

Joseph: 58 v. mcmc (1st), 129 v. hyper (1st), 405 v. Robz (3rd)

mcmc: 117 v. Dylan (1st), 301 v. EFHW (2nd), 467 v. Space (3rd), 471 v. EFHW (2nd)

Dylan: 104 v. EFHW (1st) and stayed there for the rest of the day.

DatSwan: 325 v. Awaclus (1st) and stayed there.

Awaclus: Did not vote Day 1.

Hyper and fang voted known town until 271 Hyper v. Joseph (2nd) 294 Hyper v. WCD (4th) 351 fang v. Joseph (2nd) 381 Hyper v. Joseph (4th) 465 Hyper v. space 474 fang v. Robz (6th) 489 Hyper v. Joseph (2nd). They both were on pps from 204-271 and were both on Joseph from 381-465.
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Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D5!)
« Reply #1160 on: December 02, 2018, 09:29:49 pm »

Day 3: 5 needed to lynch

WCD voted Dylan at 949 (2nd) and fang at 972 (2nd).

Joseph voted EFHW at 850 (2nd) and stayed there.

mcmc voted EFHW at 845 (1st) and stayed there.

Dylan voted EFHW at 906 (3rd) and fang at 980 (3rd).

DatSwan voted EFHW at 953 (4th).

Awaclus voted fang at 893 (1st) and stayed.

fang voted Awaclus at 933 (1st), then specifically unvoted Awaclus and voted DatSwan at 1010 (1st)
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Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D5!)
« Reply #1161 on: December 02, 2018, 09:45:40 pm »

For the sake of completeness -- Day 4: 5 needed to lynch

WCD did not vote Day 4.

Joseph v. EFHW at 1134 (4th)

mcmc did not vote Day 4.

Dylan v. EFHW at 1133 (3rd)

DatSwan v. EFHW at 1056 (2nd) and stayed

Awaclus v. EFHW at 1126 (2nd)

fang v. Awaclus at 1076 (1st), WCD at 1083 (1st), unvoted at 1122, and v. EFHW at 1141 (hammer)
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Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D5!)
« Reply #1162 on: December 02, 2018, 10:11:39 pm »

Consolidated

WCD:
Day 1 -- v. EFHW at 160 (2nd), v. DatSwan at 256 (1st), v. EFHW at 304 (3rd), v. Robz at 432 (5th)
Day 2 -- 536 v. fang (2nd), 615 v. EFHW (4th) 636 unvote, 718 v. hyper (1st) until eod.
Day 3 -- Dylan at 949 (2nd) and fang at 972 (2nd).
Day 4 -- did not vote Day 4.

Joseph:
Day 1 -- 58 v. mcmc (1st), 129 v. hyper (1st), 405 v. Robz (3rd)
Day 2 -- v. EFHW and WCD for most of Day 2. 744 he moved to hyper (6th) and stayed there.
Day 3 -- EFHW at 850 (2nd)
Day 4 -- EFHW at 1134 (4th)

mcmc:
Day 1 -- 117 v. Dylan (1st), 301 v. EFHW (2nd), 467 v. Space (3rd), 471 v. EFHW (2nd)
Day 2 -- EFHW all day 2.
Day 3 -- EFHW at 845 (1st) and stayed there.
Day 4 -- Did not vote.

Dylan:
Day 1 -- 104 v. EFHW (1st) and stayed there for the rest of the day.
Day 2 -- stayed on fang for all of Day 2.
Day 3 -- voted EFHW at 906 (3rd) and fang at 980 (3rd).
Day 4 -- EFHW at 1133 (3rd)

DatSwan:
Day 1 -- 325 v. Awaclus (1st) and stayed there.
Day 2 -- fang at 552 (3rd), at 595 Joseph (1st ), 738 hyper (4th).
Day 3 -- EFHW at 953 (4th).
Day 4 -- EFHW at 1056 (2nd) and stayed

Awaclus:
Day 1 -- Did not vote.
Day 2 -- Dylan at 601 (2nd), WCD at 722 (4th). Didn't move again.
Day 3 -- fang at 893 (1st) and stayed.
Day 4 -- EFHW at 1126 (2nd)

Hyper and fang:

Day 1 -- Hyper and fang voted known town until 271 Hyper v. Joseph (2nd) 294 Hyper v. WCD (4th) 351 fang v. Joseph (2nd) 381 Hyper v. Joseph (4th) 465 Hyper v. space 474 fang v. Robz (6th) 489 Hyper v. Joseph (2nd). They both were on pps from 204-271 and were both on Joseph from 381-465.
Day 2 -- Hyper v. Joseph 553 (1st); Hyper v. EFHW 576 (3rd); fang v. DatSwan 647 (1st), fang v. WCD 649 (1st); Hyper v. DatSwan 656 (2nd);  Both on WCD from 720-792.
Day 3 -- fang v. Awaclus at 933 (1st), then DatSwan at 1010 (1st)
Day 4 -- fang v. Awaclus at 1076 (1st), WCD at 1083 (1st), unvoted at 1122, and v. EFHW at 1141 (hammer)
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Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D5!)
« Reply #1163 on: December 02, 2018, 11:31:42 pm »

Thanks for going through and compiling all that EFHW.

I guess pending the reread that I think I'll have time for tomorrow evening, some things that jump out to me.

1) Mcmc and I are the only two people that neither known scum voted for.

2) WCD and Joseph each had both scum on their wagon at the same time.

3) Datswan only other person both scum voted for at some point.

4) Awaclus showed up in scum votes only after D2 when Fang placed his first two votes on him each of D3 and D4.

5) This is a question for EFHW in case you remember off the top of your head and an observation in one: Did fang and hyper vote for each other and you left it off the list, or did they really not bus each other at all?

6) Mcmc hasn't voted for scum all game.
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Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D5!)
« Reply #1164 on: December 03, 2018, 12:20:14 am »

Thoughts on that list of observations:

Oh another observation: WCD was the only person on both scum lynch wagons, and I was the only other person to end 2 days on scum (fang D2 and 3).  Either WCD is a double busing mastermind, or they're town.  Not lynching.

WCD, Joseph, and DatSwan come out looking really towny (in order from most to least) if we think neither fang nor hyper bused at all.

Mcmc comes out looking the worst because every single one of his votes has been on known town and neither scum had a single vote for him. But would he actually let the game go this long without voting for one of his partners? Interestingly, he's basically only tunneled EFHW (even more than I did) with one vote each for me and Space on D1, alternated with votes for EFHW.
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Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D5!)
« Reply #1165 on: December 03, 2018, 02:30:03 am »

The thing that really strikes me there is that mcmc hasn't voted for, on been voted for by, any scum this entire game

That seems scummy to me
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Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D5!)
« Reply #1166 on: December 03, 2018, 02:31:05 am »

And WCD seems towny, as I don't think they'd have tried to bus both their scum buddies on D2
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Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D5!)
« Reply #1167 on: December 03, 2018, 02:31:49 am »

And WCD seems towny, as I don't think they'd have tried to bus both their scum buddies on D2
Ditto for DatSwan
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Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D5!)
« Reply #1168 on: December 03, 2018, 02:33:17 am »

My current thoughts are that scum is most likely to be :
Mcmc > Awaclus > Dylan

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Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D5!)
« Reply #1169 on: December 03, 2018, 05:23:58 am »

In response to EFHW's posts:

I think it is unlikely that both the found skum double bussed their buddy on either D1 or D2. So Joseph and WCD look pretty clean from my PoV.

Day 1 they were both on Joseph essentially all day Fang switching off of Joseph to Robz could be seen as defense, but as they were both on Joseph all day... I am really not seeing it there.

Day 2 Joseph chooses to go to Hyper over WCD to put them at L-1 right before the Hypercube fake claim. We now know it has to be Hyper!Fang!XXX, so as it can't be WCD AND Joseph... so Joseph wasn't cornered... them choosing Hyper over they other viable wagon again points to town. And again, both Fang and Hyper double bus on WCD during day 2... which I think point to town to WCD.
The thing that holds me up most about Day 2 is Hyper putting their self at L-1... Why do that? My opinion is it was strong signaling to hammer them down for credit and PPS just beat the mate to it.

The following days I have so many speculations about it is unreal... but from it all I at least know I do not want to lynch Joseph or WCD at this point.


I want to vote Awaclus but I am afraid of how easy of a wagon that would be ramp up at this point.
I want to hear stuff from MCMC.
Dylan is currently my bottom choice of the three.

So pretty much, I would like MCMC to come back to life if possible.

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Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D5!)
« Reply #1170 on: December 03, 2018, 09:02:26 am »

Prod Mcmc, please
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Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D5!)
« Reply #1171 on: December 03, 2018, 09:10:22 am »

Mcmc has a VLA announcment from when we were in night, but said he'd have access....
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Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D5!)
« Reply #1172 on: December 03, 2018, 09:18:20 am »

Thanks, EFHW, for doing the work on the vote count. That is helpful.

I feel like my town homies are Joseph, DatSwan, and Dylan. I think Mcmc is scummy and Awaclus is null with a touch of scum.

I am pretty much ready to vote for mcmc, but would like to hear what he has to say now that EFHW is IC and that is the only place he has spent his time this game. I find the distinct lack of interaction between him and the scum telling. I don't see that Fang or Hyper were doing any bussing and it would have been (or, in fact, was) easy for Mcmc to just avoid any interaction with them entirely. But now that they've been caught, it looks super shady. 

I am waiting to vote because I understand why EFHW was a target. I was on her initially, but by Day 4 there was far more to suggest that she was town than to suggest that she was scum. Mcmc says as much at  #1098 and doesn't vote at all. (I didn't vote either. The day ended before I was on in the morning, but I'd have voted Mcmc or Awaclus if I had made it before the hammer.)

So, in short....I'm thinking Mcmc has some 'splaining to do

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Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D5!)
« Reply #1173 on: December 03, 2018, 09:51:45 am »

5) This is a question for EFHW in case you remember off the top of your head and an observation in one: Did fang and hyper vote for each other and you left it off the list, or did they really not bus each other at all?

They did not bus each other at all.
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Re: M119: Towny Mafia (D5!)
« Reply #1174 on: December 03, 2018, 09:59:10 am »

Prod Mcmc, please

He has an announced VLA. He wouldn't announce it if there would be no probability that he would have little to no access, so I will not prod him for now.
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