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[silverspawn]

The LCDs here are Hydrad and silverspawn. I have no freekin clue what the mechanic in play here is - but, given the information, I think we should lynch within Hydrad!SS. Specifically, I think we should lynch SS because if they flip town we will gain a ton of re-read information based on the fact this has been pretty much the only thing that has been talked about thus far.

What is LCD?

If you're suggesting that you should vote for either of us because we were involved as targets in the weird voting mechanic, that is, err, stupid?

Saying we should lynch me, not because I might be scum, but for information, is also stupid.

[Swowl]

I think we should lynch within Hydrad!SS.

Come on this is not what ! means. You say property!player. If you say hydrad!ss it means ss (who is hydrad)

I apologize. I did not know that. I have used that a ton on here and no one has ever called me out on it.


To rephrase - "I think we should lynch within [Hydrad, silverspawn]"

[Swowl]

The LCDs here are Hydrad and silverspawn. I have no freekin clue what the mechanic in play here is - but, given the information, I think we should lynch within Hydrad!SS. Specifically, I think we should lynch SS because if they flip town we will gain a ton of re-read information based on the fact this has been pretty much the only thing that has been talked about thus far.

What is LCD?

If you're suggesting that you should vote for either of us because we were involved as targets in the weird voting mechanic, that is, err, stupid?

Saying we should lynch me, not because I might be scum, but for information, is also stupid.

Seems like you already grasp what LCD means....

[Swowl]

Galz and gkrieg seem entrenched in their silver case.

I've left my "test vote" on Galz because I think he's being lazy about giving a good justification. Gkrieg is trying harder, at least, but I still don't think it's enough to go on.

I'm not saying I think silver is conf!town, but I'm saying I'm not interested in the cases on him today.

yes I know, I wasn't trying to dissolve your previous comments. I was just reading through from start to finish and posting all of it as I went.

[Swowl]

Galz and gkrieg seem entrenched in their silver case.

I've left my "test vote" on Galz because I think he's being lazy about giving a good justification. Gkrieg is trying harder, at least, but I still don't think it's enough to go on.

I'm not saying I think silver is conf!town, but I'm saying I'm not interested in the cases on him today.

yes I know, I wasn't trying to dissolve your previous comments. I was just reading through from start to finish and posting all of it as I went.

Obviously, I meant to quote your previous post - sorry.

[silverspawn]

Also galz you have admitted that I feel DIFFERENT from the past game where I was scum. The natural conclusion to draw from that is that I'm town, not scum. Yet somehow you just say "well but obvious reasons now you're scum". This is incredibly annoying. I hope I am not this annoying when I'm tunneling someone.

Seems like you already grasp what LCD means....

But what's it an abbreviation for?

[Swowl]

Also galz you have admitted that I feel DIFFERENT from the past game where I was scum. The natural conclusion to draw from that is that I'm town, not scum. Yet somehow you just say "well but obvious reasons now you're scum". This is incredibly annoying. I hope I am not this annoying when I'm tunneling someone.

Seems like you already grasp what LCD means....

But what's it an abbreviation for?

Lowest Common Denominator

[Swowl]

Also galz you have admitted that I feel DIFFERENT from the past game where I was scum. The natural conclusion to draw from that is that I'm town, not scum. Yet somehow you just say "well but obvious reasons now you're scum". This is incredibly annoying. I hope I am not this annoying when I'm tunneling someone.

Seems like you already grasp what LCD means....

But what's it an abbreviation for?

Also... you could be "SK, not skum"

[SpaceAnemone]

Galz and gkrieg seem entrenched in their silver case.

I've left my "test vote" on Galz because I think he's being lazy about giving a good justification. Gkrieg is trying harder, at least, but I still don't think it's enough to go on.

I'm not saying I think silver is conf!town, but I'm saying I'm not interested in the cases on him today.

yes I know, I wasn't trying to dissolve your previous comments. I was just reading through from start to finish and posting all of it as I went.

Yeah, but it's nicer for other people if you flag your intentions up-front. To me it totally looked like you were ignoring stuff I'd said ~90 posts ago, filling the thread with a load of stuff that's purely mechanical and offers no insight or conversation to the other people in the thread, and boils down to one little post where you say "hey, here are three points where things don't make sense".

One little post saying "I found these three voting mismatches, and I wonder why Space missed the Hydrad one? Maybe they're scum together!" would have been a much better way of getting some engagement going. Flooding the thread with stuff that the conversational people aren't interested in re-reading, verifying or engaging with, in a game that's already stalling pretty badly, doesn't actually seem all that pro-town.

[silverspawn]

Let's provide some alternatives. I'll do a reread of...

someone who hasn't been talked about.

e.

[Swowl]

Galz and gkrieg seem entrenched in their silver case.

I've left my "test vote" on Galz because I think he's being lazy about giving a good justification. Gkrieg is trying harder, at least, but I still don't think it's enough to go on.

I'm not saying I think silver is conf!town, but I'm saying I'm not interested in the cases on him today.

yes I know, I wasn't trying to dissolve your previous comments. I was just reading through from start to finish and posting all of it as I went.

Yeah, but it's nicer for other people if you flag your intentions up-front. To me it totally looked like you were ignoring stuff I'd said ~90 posts ago, filling the thread with a load of stuff that's purely mechanical and offers no insight or conversation to the other people in the thread, and boils down to one little post where you say "hey, here are three points where things don't make sense".

One little post saying "I found these three voting mismatches, and I wonder why Space missed the Hydrad one? Maybe they're scum together!" would have been a much better way of getting some engagement going. Flooding the thread with stuff that the conversational people aren't interested in re-reading, verifying or engaging with, in a game that's already stalling pretty badly, doesn't actually seem all that pro-town.

I disagree with you that I am "flooding the thread" with "stuff the conversational people are not interested in reading" - I posted a summarized VCA based on the mechanic that is being discussed so that we can look at it from a compartmentalized POV. As there are literally NO "conversational" people in the game to point - outside of that one single point of observation - I do not see  how you disregarding by summary of events is helpful at all.

and again, in case you didn't grab it the first time, I apologize - my intention of the posts was to point out the links between the players mentioned multiple times, not to call you out on the one small thing.

[Swowl]

Let's provide some alternatives. I'll do a reread of...

someone who hasn't been talked about.

e.

!

[silverspawn]

First a voting history. L-X not included for day 2 because I still haven't implemented it properly.

#51: Awaclus votes silverspawn (L-5)
#52: e votes ashersky (L-5)
#55: chairs votes Morgrim7 (L-5)
#57: EFHW votes silverspawn (L-4)
#58: silverspawn votes e (L-5)
#62: gkrieg13 votes WestCoastDidds (L-5)
#72: Hydrad votes SpaceAnemone (L-5)
#73: Hydrad votes Galzria (L-5)
#74: Hydrad votes DatSwan (L-5)
#85: SpaceAnemone votes Morgrim7 (L-4)
#103: e votes iguanaiguana (L-5)
#111: silverspawn votes e (L-5)
#140: Hydrad votes iguanaiguana (L-4)
#146: ashersky votes iguanaiguana (L-3)
#168: gkrieg13 votes EFHW (L-5)
#177: EFHW unvotes
#178: Awaclus votes EFHW (L-4)
#180: Morgrim7 unvotes
#189: silverspawn votes Awaclus (L-5)
#194: EFHW votes silverspawn (L-5)
#200: Morgrim7 votes silverspawn (L-4)
#212: EFHW unvotes
#220: iguanaiguana votes WestCoastDidds (L-5)
#229: chairs votes WestCoastDidds (L-4)
#230: Morgrim7 votes WestCoastDidds (L-3)
#231: EFHW votes chairs (L-5)
#232: Awaclus votes silverspawn (L-5)
#235: DatSwan votes Galzria (L-5)
#237: Morgrim7 votes silverspawn (L-4)
#242: silverspawn votes ashersky (L-5)
#244: WestCoastDidds votes e (L-5)
#253: e votes silverspawn (L-3)
#284: EFHW votes WestCoastDidds (L-3)
#285: EFHW votes silverspawn (L-2)
#288: chairs votes silverspawn (L-1)
#291: iguanaiguana votes e (L-4)
#293: Morgrim7 unvotes
#301: Hydrad votes WestCoastDidds (L-5)
#304: gkrieg13 votes silverspawn (L-1)
#305: iguanaiguana votes SpaceAnemone (L-5)
#307: Morgrim7 votes chairs (L-5)
#313: silverspawn votes chairs (L-4)
#315: WestCoastDidds votes chairs (L-3)
#316: iguanaiguana votes chairs (L-2)
#346: Galzria votes Hydrad (L-5)
#347: chairs votes Hydrad (L-4)
#349: e votes Hydrad (L-3)
#360: Hydrad votes chairs (L-1)
#374: iguanaiguana votes Awaclus (L-5)
#385: Galzria votes Awaclus (L-4)
#386: silverspawn votes Awaclus (L-3)
#387: chairs votes Awaclus (L-2)
#393: DatSwan unvotes
#397: Morgrim7 votes Awaclus (L-1)
#405: WestCoastDidds hammers Awaclus
#413: e votes Awaclus (L--1)
#420: Hydrad votes Awaclus (L--2)
new Day
#433: gkrieg13 votes silverspawn
#439: silverspawn votes EFHW
#452: silverspawn votes WestCoastDidds
#480: Morgrim7 votes silverspawn
#488: chairs votes Morgrim7
#489: Galzria votes silverspawn
#490: SpaceAnemone votes Morgrim7
#493: EFHW votes e
#528: Morgrim7 unvotes
#533: SpaceAnemone votes Galzria
#536: EFHW votes SpaceAnemone
#539: WestCoastDidds votes DatSwan
#547: DatSwan votes Galzria
#549: Hydrad votes WestCoastDidds
#550: Morgrim7 votes Hydrad
#553: chairs unvotes
#554: EFHW unvotes
#562: Morgrim7 unvotes
#583: Morgrim7 unvotes
#601: WestCoastDidds unvotes
#603: DatSwan votes silverspawn
#609: DatSwan unvotes
#617: DatSwan unvotes

[Swowl]

First a voting history. L-X not included for day 2 because I still haven't implemented it properly.

#51: Awaclus votes silverspawn (L-5)
#52: e votes ashersky (L-5)
#55: chairs votes Morgrim7 (L-5)
#57: EFHW votes silverspawn (L-4)
#58: silverspawn votes e (L-5)
#62: gkrieg13 votes WestCoastDidds (L-5)
#72: Hydrad votes SpaceAnemone (L-5)
#73: Hydrad votes Galzria (L-5)
#74: Hydrad votes DatSwan (L-5)
#85: SpaceAnemone votes Morgrim7 (L-4)
#103: e votes iguanaiguana (L-5)
#111: silverspawn votes e (L-5)
#140: Hydrad votes iguanaiguana (L-4)
#146: ashersky votes iguanaiguana (L-3)
#168: gkrieg13 votes EFHW (L-5)
#177: EFHW unvotes
#178: Awaclus votes EFHW (L-4)
#180: Morgrim7 unvotes
#189: silverspawn votes Awaclus (L-5)
#194: EFHW votes silverspawn (L-5)
#200: Morgrim7 votes silverspawn (L-4)
#212: EFHW unvotes
#220: iguanaiguana votes WestCoastDidds (L-5)
#229: chairs votes WestCoastDidds (L-4)
#230: Morgrim7 votes WestCoastDidds (L-3)
#231: EFHW votes chairs (L-5)
#232: Awaclus votes silverspawn (L-5)
#235: DatSwan votes Galzria (L-5)
#237: Morgrim7 votes silverspawn (L-4)
#242: silverspawn votes ashersky (L-5)
#244: WestCoastDidds votes e (L-5)
#253: e votes silverspawn (L-3)
#284: EFHW votes WestCoastDidds (L-3)
#285: EFHW votes silverspawn (L-2)
#288: chairs votes silverspawn (L-1)
#291: iguanaiguana votes e (L-4)
#293: Morgrim7 unvotes
#301: Hydrad votes WestCoastDidds (L-5)
#304: gkrieg13 votes silverspawn (L-1)
#305: iguanaiguana votes SpaceAnemone (L-5)
#307: Morgrim7 votes chairs (L-5)
#313: silverspawn votes chairs (L-4)
#315: WestCoastDidds votes chairs (L-3)
#316: iguanaiguana votes chairs (L-2)
#346: Galzria votes Hydrad (L-5)
#347: chairs votes Hydrad (L-4)
#349: e votes Hydrad (L-3)
#360: Hydrad votes chairs (L-1)
#374: iguanaiguana votes Awaclus (L-5)
#385: Galzria votes Awaclus (L-4)
#386: silverspawn votes Awaclus (L-3)
#387: chairs votes Awaclus (L-2)
#393: DatSwan unvotes
#397: Morgrim7 votes Awaclus (L-1)
#405: WestCoastDidds hammers Awaclus
#413: e votes Awaclus (L--1)
#420: Hydrad votes Awaclus (L--2)
new Day
#433: gkrieg13 votes silverspawn
#439: silverspawn votes EFHW
#452: silverspawn votes WestCoastDidds
#480: Morgrim7 votes silverspawn
#488: chairs votes Morgrim7
#489: Galzria votes silverspawn
#490: SpaceAnemone votes Morgrim7
#493: EFHW votes e
#528: Morgrim7 unvotes
#533: SpaceAnemone votes Galzria
#536: EFHW votes SpaceAnemone
#539: WestCoastDidds votes DatSwan
#547: DatSwan votes Galzria
#549: Hydrad votes WestCoastDidds
#550: Morgrim7 votes Hydrad
#553: chairs unvotes
#554: EFHW unvotes
#562: Morgrim7 unvotes
#583: Morgrim7 unvotes
#601: WestCoastDidds unvotes
#603: DatSwan votes silverspawn
#609: DatSwan unvotes
#617: DatSwan unvotes

I see a lot of silverspawn being put to L-X and then I am still here talking to silverspawn...

[silverspawn]

and just iguana:

#52: e votes ashersky
#103: e votes iguanaiguana
#253: e votes silverspawn
#349: e votes Hydrad
#413: e votes Awaclus

(or visual!)

Ok, now the actual things that come to mind

– doesn't like plan
– even votes iguana for it
– jokes about his own day 1 cases always being bad when I challenge him. is this a thing? is e one of those anti day 1 people?
– Still don't understand this
– Some fluff about iguana not being confident
– votes me without any reason. This is about halfway into day 1 and he stays there for about half of the remaining half (as you can see in the image)
– Doesn't like WCD votes. Interesting.

– Also interesting:

So, about iguana.  I kind of laughed to myself a bit at this post

I dunno e, I feel like you put me in your scumbucket already so it doesn't matter what I tell you, but FWIW I am, without hesitation, pursuing my current 'plan' of waiting to see what Ash has got to say before I share my opinions on people's reactions to what I've said.

because nothing could be further from the truth.  I was actually town-reading you at that point but maintaining my "scum" read and vote to see if anyone else would jump on the wagon and vote against your plan.  I still don't like the plan, but was just trying to see what I could learn.  Nothing came of it (no one felt like wagoning iguana), which is interesting in itself, but that is that. 

Iguana's defense later on (those blocks of posts) also felt very townie to me.

– "I would be willing to lynch chairs or silverspawn, prefer silverspawn."
– votes hydrad than awaclus than day 2 begins
– only a few posts, promises reread which hasn't come yet

[silverspawn]

Conclusion: lazy town. Classically scummy in a way that scum is less often than town, at least when the player ought to know what they're doing.

[silverspawn]

I see a lot of silverspawn being put to L-X and then I am still here talking to silverspawn...

Are you suggesting this is scum indicative?

[silverspawn]

So e is bad. Next up is EFHW

#57: EFHW votes silverspawn (L-4)
#177: EFHW unvotes
#194: EFHW votes silverspawn (L-5)
#212: EFHW unvotes
#231: EFHW votes chairs (L-5)
#284: EFHW votes WestCoastDidds (L-3)
#285: EFHW votes silverspawn (L-2)

–– Day 2 ––

#493: EFHW votes e (L-5)
#536: EFHW votes SpaceAnemone (L-5)
#554: EFHW unvotes

visual

Notes from reread:
– Interested in plan
– Says alignment changing is usually bastard. This is noticeable because it means she probably doesn't know that they are in the game if they are
– "This is the kind of plan where mini-claims lead to questions that lead to more claims by more people and next thing you know town has revealed too much. I've seen it happen more than once."
– Not in favor of either plan after hearing them for solid reasons
– tries to start wagon on chairs because lynching noobies is lame. when questioned, says the case on WCD is basically zero information
– changes her mind, votes WCD after all. Then votes me immediately afterwards. This is very towny.
– hints at chairs again

Ok I'm going to stop here, because there's no way I'm going to push this lynch. I dont' know how towny EFHW is as scum, so I'm not saying I'm super confident that she is in fact town, but nonetheless, I'm not going to push someone who hasn't done anything scummy. In particular, I would want to see chairs' alignment before considering EFHW. If he is town, then maybe there is something.

It's noticeable how basically every post she does has a real point to it. Much unlike e. where again whether that's scummy or not depends on her meta (anyone want to chime in?)

[silverspawn]

chairs is next.

[silverspawn]

#55: chairs votes Morgrim7 (L-5)
#229: chairs votes WestCoastDidds (L-4)
#288: chairs votes silverspawn (L-1)
#347: chairs votes Hydrad (L-4)
#387: chairs votes Awaclus (L-2)
––––––––––––––––––––––––
#488: chairs votes Morgrim7 (L-5)
#553: chairs unvotes

visual

Notes:
– not interested in plan, then participates jokingly
– says his computer broke hence phone posting. that's a legit excuse for lack of long posts
– very nonchalant attitude about day vigs and such early (is this a town tell?)
– Does support WCD. this is the second vote. And it's L-4. WCD really is the player whose alignment I want to know the most right now.
– Then abandons the wagon to vote for me. What does it mean? Also this is... L-3 not L-1. Oh oh it seems like the L-X aren't working in general. Please ignore all of them in all voting histories I posted. apologies for not realizing this sooner
– Reads list-ish post

Sorry, my weekends are really bad for September. I’m not sure as I have much to say, though - I was intrigued by e’s claim that e had already townread iguana and was faking a scum read for the interactions - that annoys me a little as I tend to trust in upfront Town play mostly, but I can’t be too mad because 1) it does sound like town!e, and 2) I have definitely mislead as Town before, to the benefit of my team. I would vote for silver what with the don’t you trust me line which is super scummy sounding to me, but I’m already doing that! I’m feeling Town on galz, Town on efhw, scum on ash, scum on as, kind of neutral on everyone else. I wish galz had put down his vote but this does fit what I remember of him as Town hence the Town read

– continues to be nonchalant. votes hydrad at a fairly important time
– votes Awaclus for survival
– [Day 2] Does his rereads on morgrim and ash. doesn't amount to much. this might be slightly towny
– Self-conscious about activity even after doing those rereads. What does it mean[2]?

Conclusion: conflicted / unsure / null

[silverspawn]

Meta questions I want other people to chime in on

– is chairs being unconcerned a town or scum tell?
– How is EFHW different as town and scum?

[silverspawn]

so chairs would be an option but pretty disappointing for day 2. EFHW is towny and e is too though he needs to do more.

Maybe Hydrad next

[WestCoastDidds]

First a voting history. L-X not included for day 2 because I still haven't implemented it properly.

#51: Awaclus votes silverspawn (L-5)
#52: e votes ashersky (L-5)
#55: chairs votes Morgrim7 (L-5)
#57: EFHW votes silverspawn (L-4)
#58: silverspawn votes e (L-5)
#62: gkrieg13 votes WestCoastDidds (L-5)
#72: Hydrad votes SpaceAnemone (L-5)
#73: Hydrad votes Galzria (L-5)
#74: Hydrad votes DatSwan (L-5)
#85: SpaceAnemone votes Morgrim7 (L-4)
#103: e votes iguanaiguana (L-5)
#111: silverspawn votes e (L-5)
#140: Hydrad votes iguanaiguana (L-4)
#146: ashersky votes iguanaiguana (L-3)
#168: gkrieg13 votes EFHW (L-5)
#177: EFHW unvotes
#178: Awaclus votes EFHW (L-4)
#180: Morgrim7 unvotes
#189: silverspawn votes Awaclus (L-5)
#194: EFHW votes silverspawn (L-5)
#200: Morgrim7 votes silverspawn (L-4)
#212: EFHW unvotes
#220: iguanaiguana votes WestCoastDidds (L-5)
#229: chairs votes WestCoastDidds (L-4)
#230: Morgrim7 votes WestCoastDidds (L-3)
#231: EFHW votes chairs (L-5)
#232: Awaclus votes silverspawn (L-5)
#235: DatSwan votes Galzria (L-5)
#237: Morgrim7 votes silverspawn (L-4)
#242: silverspawn votes ashersky (L-5)
#244: WestCoastDidds votes e (L-5)
#253: e votes silverspawn (L-3)
#284: EFHW votes WestCoastDidds (L-3)
#285: EFHW votes silverspawn (L-2)
#288: chairs votes silverspawn (L-1)
#291: iguanaiguana votes e (L-4)
#293: Morgrim7 unvotes
#301: Hydrad votes WestCoastDidds (L-5)
#304: gkrieg13 votes silverspawn (L-1)
#305: iguanaiguana votes SpaceAnemone (L-5)
#307: Morgrim7 votes chairs (L-5)
#313: silverspawn votes chairs (L-4)
#315: WestCoastDidds votes chairs (L-3)
#316: iguanaiguana votes chairs (L-2)
#346: Galzria votes Hydrad (L-5)
#347: chairs votes Hydrad (L-4)
#349: e votes Hydrad (L-3)
#360: Hydrad votes chairs (L-1)
#374: iguanaiguana votes Awaclus (L-5)
#385: Galzria votes Awaclus (L-4)
#386: silverspawn votes Awaclus (L-3)
#387: chairs votes Awaclus (L-2)
#393: DatSwan unvotes
#397: Morgrim7 votes Awaclus (L-1)
#405: WestCoastDidds hammers Awaclus
#413: e votes Awaclus (L--1)
#420: Hydrad votes Awaclus (L--2)
new Day
#433: gkrieg13 votes silverspawn
#439: silverspawn votes EFHW
#452: silverspawn votes WestCoastDidds
#480: Morgrim7 votes silverspawn
#488: chairs votes Morgrim7
#489: Galzria votes silverspawn
#490: SpaceAnemone votes Morgrim7
#493: EFHW votes e
#528: Morgrim7 unvotes
#533: SpaceAnemone votes Galzria
#536: EFHW votes SpaceAnemone
#539: WestCoastDidds votes DatSwan
#547: DatSwan votes Galzria
#549: Hydrad votes WestCoastDidds
#550: Morgrim7 votes Hydrad
#553: chairs unvotes
#554: EFHW unvotes
#562: Morgrim7 unvotes
#583: Morgrim7 unvotes
#601: WestCoastDidds unvotes
#603: DatSwan votes silverspawn
#609: DatSwan unvotes

I didn’t hammer Awaclus. Hydrad did...at #420

[silverspawn]

I didn’t hammer Awaclus. Hydrad did...at #420

Oh oh it seems like the L-X aren't working in general. Please ignore all of them in all voting histories I posted. apologies for not realizing this sooner

I initially thought it applied day 1 number of players everywhere and hence day 2 is off, but I think it's the other way around, that it thinks there are always as many players alive as on the most recent day.

[WestCoastDidds]

2) WCD - We are playing with fucking magicians. If you are town then it is almost GTD that there is at least a decade of experience under the belt of the skum team. Assume that they have mapped out some shit. For reference, look at the game we just finished. I am NOT saying you must be wrong, I am just saying that you shouldn't dismiss it as an option.

Oh, Swan, you are my kind of people. That description is genius. And why I feel like I am treading water...but know the sharks are waiting.