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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #100 on: September 11, 2018, 10:05:13 pm »

iguana's second point doesn't support the plan, though. If Lalight is playing fast and loose with the flavor then the Bark Curlish character could be a serial killer who also kills good people.  If he's holding closer to flavor, then maybe the SK can only kill mafia, which would be awesome for town, not so much for the SK.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #101 on: September 11, 2018, 10:33:48 pm »

Alignment changing is usually bastard. Lately we've played with it with warnings ahead of time. But there are no warnings of that sort in the OP. When I was a seriously nerfed serial killer in Modern Community, I pretended to be a psychiatrist hoping someone would counterclaim me and make me town. Found out later my claim should have been obviously false because changing alignment would be bastard. So my desperate hope for sanity was not to be.

I don't think alignment changing is bastard if you're the only person in your alignment and you're the one actively choosing to change your alignment.

This. SK --> town isn't inherently bastard, neither would an invented role that can win solo or with town under certain conditions.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #102 on: September 11, 2018, 10:34:36 pm »

If I were Bart the Serial Killer, I would lynch Iguana for SK hunting.

Also, where's Ashersky with a -real- D1 plan?

If only u knew how much I am.... mafia hunting!!!
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #103 on: September 11, 2018, 10:41:24 pm »

But... why do you hate fun?

Why do you like trying to make someone with an alleged flavor and role claim? I agree with galzria, way too SK-hunting-esque of a plan for me.

Also, all the required approval from people before posting? Let's just go ahead and

Vote: iguana
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #104 on: September 12, 2018, 12:59:49 am »

Flavor:

http://dirkgently.wikia.com/wiki/Bart_Curlish
is a 'holistic assassin' in the TV show this mafia game is based on. She is shown to have supernatural powers to not be killed or harmed in super life-threatening situations, and to intuitively kill only bad people, never good people. She states that she is guided by the universe, and that the universe keeps her healthy and tells her whom to kill.

Inference:

Bart Curlish is probably a role in the game, and they are likely a serial killer. They may also be a serial killer that has some means to convert to town (AKA universe-aligned. I think this is possible because a) that's how I would resolve the conflict between Bart being an obvious serial-killer-style character and also being a clearly universe-aligned character and b) based on my own role, I know that Lalight is playing at least a little bit fast and loose with the flavor and taking some artistic liberties in order to make the roles work for mafia and be more fun to play.

Here's the less likely thing. IF Bart curlish is a serial killer who can convert to town, they may POSSIBLY also know something about how to go about doing that, and there may be other people out there who would be able to help, EG, by targeting Bart.

Plan:

We all go around and say "If I was Bart the serial killer, this is how you could help me convert to town." If you're not Bart, just make something up. Try to make it look, uh, plausible. If you are Bart, just tell us what you know. That way, maybe Bart can become town and we don't have to lynch her.

It's sort a longshot TBH, but I mean why not?

Issue I have with this is what if your inference in incorrect. Like what if the Bart guy is just mafia and not SK? Or what if the "turn to town" thing isn't accurate? I feel like this plan would probably just create confusion. That being said - I don't know what your flavor is that made you come up with this, so all of that is from my blank pov.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (N0)
« Reply #105 on: September 12, 2018, 04:10:06 am »

Vote count 1.2

silverspawn (2): Awaclus, EFHW
ashersky (1): Morgrim7
Morgrim7 (2): chairs, SpaceAnemone
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #106 on: September 12, 2018, 04:33:29 am »

b) based on my own role, I know

Yah, this is exactly the point I was getting at in my question to you! You framed this as "a weird inference I made from my knowledge of the flavor", but what you actually mean is "some QT stuff I obviously can't talk about but want to hint at here for townpoints...".

The plan sounds clever in itself, but apparently I'm not feeling in a trusting mood this morning.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #107 on: September 12, 2018, 04:38:49 am »

Sad we don't have Mcmc or Robz in this one, because I want to know whether Dirk looks as much like Robz in person as I think he does from seeing Robz's photo posted around here somewhere :-P

I think Dirk looks like.... Lalight!

Hmmm... maybe Dirk has an everyman type face and therefore he looks like a lot of people.

Heh, I don't see the Dirk-LL resemblance at all, and I've spent quite a few days in LL's company,so I'm pretty confident in that.

Guess I'll have to plan a US trip to go and try to meet more people on Robz's side of the pond. I mean, what can go wrong with a random British singleton popping up in the US? :-P
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #108 on: September 12, 2018, 07:13:57 am »

But... why do you hate fun?

Why do you like trying to make someone with an alleged flavor and role claim? I agree with galzria, way too SK-hunting-esque of a plan for me.

Also, all the required approval from people before posting? Let's just go ahead and

Vote: iguana

For the sake of the public record, would you mind going into rather more detail as to what exactly about my proposal makes me scum?
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #109 on: September 12, 2018, 07:35:20 am »

I really don’t see the problem with iguana’s proposal. Best case scenario, we are able to get rid of a SK with little to no effort. Worst case scenario, we listen to all the proposals, everyone gets a little confused, and we don’t act on it. I’m willing to risk my mental stability in order to have the chance at getting rid of the SK.

vote: everyone for all this useless conjecture about a pretty low risk and unique idea.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #110 on: September 12, 2018, 07:50:22 am »

Alignment changing is usually bastard. Lately we've played with it with warnings ahead of time. But there are no warnings of that sort in the OP. When I was a seriously nerfed serial killer in Modern Community, I pretended to be a psychiatrist hoping someone would counterclaim me and make me town. Found out later my claim should have been obviously false because changing alignment would be bastard. So my desperate hope for sanity was not to be.

I don't think alignment changing is bastard if you're the only person in your alignment and you're the one actively choosing to change your alignment.

Awaclus is correct. Everyone who tries to shoot down the plan is wrong.

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #111 on: September 12, 2018, 07:51:50 am »

vote: e for being uncharacteristically unreasonable

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #112 on: September 12, 2018, 08:02:00 am »

vote: e for being uncharacteristically unreasonable

Uncharacteristically? This is one of my better early D1 cases
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #113 on: September 12, 2018, 08:05:05 am »

If I was Bart the SK, then it would be clear what to do, and the time to do it would be night 1.

vote: e for being uncharacteristically unreasonable

Uncharacteristically? This is one of my better early D1 cases

Forget the case. You should do the plan.

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #114 on: September 12, 2018, 08:06:26 am »

If I was Bart the SK, then it would be clear what to do, and the time to do it would be night 1.

vote: e for being uncharacteristically unreasonable

Uncharacteristically? This is one of my better early D1 cases

Forget the case. You should do the plan.

False. The time too do it would be N2, if at all
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #115 on: September 12, 2018, 08:08:43 am »

for me or for you?

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #116 on: September 12, 2018, 09:02:46 am »

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #117 on: September 12, 2018, 09:12:48 am »

Alignment changing is usually bastard. Lately we've played with it with warnings ahead of time. But there are no warnings of that sort in the OP. When I was a seriously nerfed serial killer in Modern Community, I pretended to be a psychiatrist hoping someone would counterclaim me and make me town. Found out later my claim should have been obviously false because changing alignment would be bastard. So my desperate hope for sanity was not to be.

I don't think alignment changing is bastard if you're the only person in your alignment and you're the one actively choosing to change your alignment.

Awaclus is correct. Everyone who tries to shoot down the plan is wrong.
This is the kind of plan where mini-claims lead to questions that lead to more claims by more people and next thing you know town has revealed too much. I've seen it happen more than once.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #118 on: September 12, 2018, 09:16:28 am »

This plan also doesn't make sense. If Bart the SK knows they can be turned to town, they should just claim and get turned to town.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #119 on: September 12, 2018, 09:27:49 am »

What if Bart the SK is bulletproof but only until they get converted? Or what if Bart is already town and not an SK at all? Orrr what if... I could come up with other scenarios!

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #120 on: September 12, 2018, 10:10:50 am »

EFHW and chairs get it
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #121 on: September 12, 2018, 10:34:49 am »

Sorry for the delay. Also, hi everyone.

Pretty sure igu is the character he’s talking about.

My time zone is waaaaaay different now, so expect different posting times.

I just popped in to post, will write more in the morning.

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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #122 on: September 12, 2018, 10:35:38 am »

P.S. — I have one of those things where we do stuff in a purposeful manner.  Will write it up tomorrow.
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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #123 on: September 12, 2018, 10:39:09 am »


Pretty sure igu is the character he’s talking about.

Ash is now confirmed Bart.


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Re: RMM50: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (D1)
« Reply #124 on: September 12, 2018, 10:40:09 am »

EFHW and chairs get it

I'm afraid not. If they got it, they would say something like "If I was bart the SK, you would have to do X".
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