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Vote Count 2.0

Not Voting (8): LaLight, chairs, DatSwan, WestCoastDidds, Xxraptorslayer96, Hydrad, Uncleeurope, Awaclus

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 2 lasts until Sep 19, 18:00 forum time.

[chairs]

Well then.

[WestCoastDidds]

Well that sucks

[WestCoastDidds]

well. I am really sorry about fang, sorry fang, if you read this.

This nightkill sucks. Was there a softclaim by hyper anywhere?

Not that I see. He did some talking/correcting on the condition of doctors protecting each other about halfway through with confidence but it was into in the set-up and some talk of the doctor plans (or not) early on, but nothing more overt than that.

[Swowl]

Could of been skum killing faust N1?

[chairs]

Could of been skum killing faust N1?

Could’ve.
And yes it could have.

[Hydrad]

Could of been skum killing faust N1?

wait. Thats actually hilarious. Even when faust isn't playing he gets killed N1.

[Swowl]

potential slips skum could of tried to use to help there kill choice.

Hi everyone!

For those who weren't in NM12, I'm fine with he or they pronouns.

vote: Awaclus for doctor-hunting.

I wasn't feeling incredibly confident about where my vote is so I did a quick reread of Eddie in this game vs. Eddie in NM12 (where he was town). Eddie in NM12 was significantly more confident and engaged in scumhunting. In this game we get a lot more self-conscious asides like this:

(It was stupid, though, Eddie. I mean, come on)

I would characterize Eddie's tone in this game as anxious. Notably at post #170, where he seems insistent on dismissing people's scumreads of him despite the fact that no-one was actually voting for him at that point.

1. I am not a doctor, I use the phrase "Trust me I'm a _____ Doctor" a lot IRL (pulled it from a video where guy explained something that made no sense and his evidence for trusting him was to trust him because he was a math doctor, despite math being barely related). I realize this makes no sense and is a weird coincidence, but there ya go.

...

2. Honestly, medium likelyhood, but it hasn't happened yet. #NotaDoctor

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4. Yeah, sorry about that, I have been told that people get used to me, I have also been told to expect to die a lot because of it. If it makes you feel better I only lie when I can perceive some gain from it.

Then LL votes for him and he acts like he's at L-1 instead of L-5.

Sigh... There is no way to react to this properly, but whatever, digging my own grave is something I am accustomed to.

I think a VT would be less concerned with their own survival, especially when they don't actually have a wagon on them. So, I'm happy with my vote where it is.

They are not exactly sound. I think that the most likely reason for the choice is that they are newer and unlikely to grab a doc target. Skum wants the kill to go off no matter what, so the priority isn't actually looking for the doctor for them... its looking for the people least likely to be doctored.

[Hydrad]

They are not exactly sound. I think that the most likely reason for the choice is that they are newer and unlikely to grab a doc target. Skum wants the kill to go off no matter what, so the priority isn't actually looking for the doctor for them... its looking for the people least likely to be doctored.

Ya. This is my thought process as well.

[chairs]

potential slips skum could of tried to use to help there kill choice.

Hi everyone!

For those who weren't in NM12, I'm fine with he or they pronouns.

vote: Awaclus for doctor-hunting.

I wasn't feeling incredibly confident about where my vote is so I did a quick reread of Eddie in this game vs. Eddie in NM12 (where he was town). Eddie in NM12 was significantly more confident and engaged in scumhunting. In this game we get a lot more self-conscious asides like this:

(It was stupid, though, Eddie. I mean, come on)

I would characterize Eddie's tone in this game as anxious. Notably at post #170, where he seems insistent on dismissing people's scumreads of him despite the fact that no-one was actually voting for him at that point.

1. I am not a doctor, I use the phrase "Trust me I'm a _____ Doctor" a lot IRL (pulled it from a video where guy explained something that made no sense and his evidence for trusting him was to trust him because he was a math doctor, despite math being barely related). I realize this makes no sense and is a weird coincidence, but there ya go.

...

2. Honestly, medium likelyhood, but it hasn't happened yet. #NotaDoctor

...

4. Yeah, sorry about that, I have been told that people get used to me, I have also been told to expect to die a lot because of it. If it makes you feel better I only lie when I can perceive some gain from it.

Then LL votes for him and he acts like he's at L-1 instead of L-5.

Sigh... There is no way to react to this properly, but whatever, digging my own grave is something I am accustomed to.

I think a VT would be less concerned with their own survival, especially when they don't actually have a wagon on them. So, I'm happy with my vote where it is.

They are not exactly sound. I think that the most likely reason for the choice is that they are newer and unlikely to grab a doc target. Skum wants the kill to go off no matter what, so the priority isn't actually looking for the doctor for them... its looking for the people least likely to be doctored.

You’re doing that on purpose aren’t you?

-eye twitches intensify-

[Uncleeurope]

I’m a bit bummed that my biggest town read is no longer with us. You shall be missed, Thief. I will forever wonder why tour wagon became a thing.

Cube being removed is interesting, bummer he was a doc, but I had mixed feeling about his affiliation that I don’t have to worry about anymore.

I mainly am interested in understanding Awa’s vote at the end as well as examining Theif’s wagon more closely.

[WestCoastDidds]

Here's what it came down to...


Xxraptorslayer96 (1): Hydrad
WestCoastDidds (1): Awaclus
chairs (2): infangthief, Uncleeurope
infangthief (6): LaLight, hypercube, chairs, DatSwan, WestCoastDidds, Xxraptorslayer96

The first 4 had been there most of the day, and raptor and I had to join at the last minute to avoid a no lynch since the people who were around to vote had limited maneuverability.

I am perhaps more interested in Hydrad and Awa, who weren't on Fang, but were instead paving the way for no lynch. Especially Awaclus who made his change near the end in a way that was fully anti-town. And Raptor coming back was a total surprise. If he hadn't, I'm not sure we'd have had the numbers for a lynch.

vote: Awaclus

[chairs]

This is why I advocate for D1 Awaclus lynches.

[Awaclus]

I mainly am interested in understanding Awa’s vote at the end

Are you WCD's scum partner?

[Awaclus]

I am perhaps more interested in Hydrad and Awa, who weren't on Fang, but were instead paving the way for no lynch. Especially Awaclus who made his change near the end in a way that was fully anti-town. And Raptor coming back was a total surprise. If he hadn't, I'm not sure we'd have had the numbers for a lynch.

We would have. I was present three minutes before the deadline, but at that point we already had a lynch.

[Uncleeurope]

I mainly am interested in understanding Awa’s vote at the end

Are you WCD's scum partner?

Is your argument for me being a team with someone me echoing them on a point? Or something else? Wouldn’t that be a bit obvious?

[Awaclus]

I mainly am interested in understanding Awa’s vote at the end

Are you WCD's scum partner?

Is your argument for me being a team with someone me echoing them on a point? Or something else? Wouldn’t that be a bit obvious?

What's your argument for not being in a team with her?

[Uncleeurope]

Ah, that was your question.

She has been buddying me pretty hard... I don’t really have an answer to that.

My only response is that as an individual scum, I wouldn’t have made the mistakes I made this game (regarding the doctor “claim” and especially the closely followed unclaim). I wouldn’t have killed Cube, I wouldn’t have been so begrudging of fang’s wagon...

I mean, through my own eyes I have played this very town.

I can’t think of a good answer, so my apologies.

[Swowl]

Just got on lynch now sorry. Reading

lol ok so another hydrad post coming up but this is a gem no one pointed out...

Backwards lynch/lunch!

[Hydrad]

Just got on lynch now sorry. Reading

lol ok so another hydrad post coming up but this is a gem no one pointed out...

Backwards lynch/lunch!

i hate my phone doing that. It used to be I would always try to type lynch and get lunch instead. But I think I've used lynch enough so that it tries to make lunch go into lynch now lol.

Also I wanna apologize for not being on 30 min before deadline like I thought I would be. I got back 10 min before but there was a lynch already.

[Swowl]

Why Hydrad is probably Skum - Part II:



This is the quote that I mentioned yesterday. Randomly voting Raptor with no real reason. It is not more interesting. This post is stamped 4 days to DL.

on break so just a quick post about day1 reads. Especially if mcmc is reading this because I kinda share the opinion of him now. Awaclus probably likes this also? Anyways.

On day 1 I don't know if we should so openly give full read lists. As I think it doesn't help town that much but still can give scum info on who they might wanna nightkill or who they can push to lynch. On day2 and beyond I'm fine with read lists but I now believe they help scum more then town day 1

Even D2 and beyond, I think it's important to at least fabricate some of the crucial reads in your read list. Scum knowing your reads matters the most near the end game, when they're trying to decide who to keep alive for LyLo.

Old me would not believe that I would kinda agree with you here. But I'm starting to think your style is better then I first thought.

Vote: raptor

From this point forward, they stay on Raptor - which was a dead wagon. They could of gotten on Town!Fang (which they stated a lot that they did not want to do), or they could of multiple times hammered, evened out the wagon, or helped Fang by voting Chairs (or at some points Eddie).

@1.14 - Could of brought Chairs to L-1

@1.15 - Could of hammered Chairs

@1.16 - Could of brought Chairs to L-1 when the wagon was 4v4 on Chairs vs Fang

@1.17 - Same as 1.16

@ Final VC - They have interacted for half of their posts in the whole game between 1.14 and End of Day. They could of helped their town read (Fang) multiple times but did not.


Soooo. We are left with:
1) Town!Chairs, Town!Hydrad, Town!Fang - Def a possibility
2) Town!Hydrad, Town!Fang vs Skum!Chairs - Unlikely
3) Town!Chairs, Town!Fang vs Skum!Hydrad - Def a possibility

There are obv a bunch of options outside of this specific pool. So to narrow it down...

Do you think it was a town vs town wagon?
- If yes, then there is probably at least one skum off wagons
- If no, then we should lynch Hydrad/Awaclus/Chairs

Chairs narrows it down the most.
Awaclus is probably not the best lynch today.
Hydrad is the most likely to be skum.

Vote: Hydrad

[LaLight]

Well, what you're implying is that chairs is scum and Hydrad is his scumpartner

[LaLight]

I am a little underwhelmed because I feel like fang's lynch was my doing. And there are different reasons this underwhelms me. Let's vote: Hydrad, yeah. DatSwan's reads are better than mine

[LaLight]

one more thing in favor of Hydrad being scum is that Newbies were both lynched and killed. I think at least one vet is a scum. I'd say it's chairs but

[LaLight]

Eddie/Hydrad?