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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #400 on: September 10, 2018, 09:28:37 am »

as much as I hate to vote for an active newbie, I think he actually slipped there. Let's try vote: fang and see how this will work out. We still have quite a lot of time till deadline

Fang does seem to be working really hard on the Chairs train. LaLi, what was his slip?
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #401 on: September 10, 2018, 09:29:46 am »

Woof. The tunneling is real from fang. If I知 lynched today I encourage you to consider a fang Lynch tomorrow because that feels a lot like scum really trying to back up their mislynch.
Sure, they can consider it if they like. Only if you flip as town of course.
And no quick-lynching of course. The doctors may want some time to hear from people and work on their reads.

This is written from the perspective of scum who surely knows chairs will flip town
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #402 on: September 10, 2018, 09:30:20 am »

god I have more scumreads than there are scum
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #403 on: September 10, 2018, 09:32:18 am »

it seems like fang doesn't really believe in his case
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #404 on: September 10, 2018, 09:33:58 am »

god I have more scumreads than there are scum

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #405 on: September 10, 2018, 09:35:05 am »

god I have more scumreads than there are scum

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well, for now I think fang is more probable to flip scum than chairs.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #406 on: September 10, 2018, 09:35:38 am »

Are you suggesting that scum!chairs puts someone at L-1 at the start of day 1, and then his scum partner comes along and hammers? scum!chairs would be livid, surely. I don't think even a newbie scum player would hammer in that situation.
I mean, what would scum!chairs have to say at the start of day 2? "No, I don't think that hammer was suspicious. And no you shouldn't suspect the L-1 guy either."

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I think scum hammering in that situation would be pretty stupid, but town hammering there would be possibly even worse, so I don't think you can discount either situation.

Ultimately I think your reasoning boils down to "Awaclus did something scummy and chairs voted for him, so let's lynch chairs." If someone is going to get lynched based on Awaclus' play I would rather it be Awaclus.

will you vote chairs to avoid a no lynch?
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #407 on: September 10, 2018, 09:37:44 am »

Woof. The tunneling is real from fang. If I知 lynched today I encourage you to consider a fang Lynch tomorrow because that feels a lot like scum really trying to back up their mislynch.
Sure, they can consider it if they like. Only if you flip as town of course.
And no quick-lynching of course. The doctors may want some time to hear from people and work on their reads.

This is written from the perspective of scum who surely knows chairs will flip town

Written from the perspective of town who thinks chairs is scum, but a long way from certain.
And was going through the scenario of... chairs town + quick lynch on me day 2 => two mislynches and heading into night 2 with doctors having poor reads. Which would be very bad for town. So just a word of caution to avoid that.

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #408 on: September 10, 2018, 09:42:59 am »

Are you suggesting that scum!chairs puts someone at L-1 at the start of day 1, and then his scum partner comes along and hammers? scum!chairs would be livid, surely. I don't think even a newbie scum player would hammer in that situation.
I mean, what would scum!chairs have to say at the start of day 2? "No, I don't think that hammer was suspicious. And no you shouldn't suspect the L-1 guy either."

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I think scum hammering in that situation would be pretty stupid, but town hammering there would be possibly even worse, so I don't think you can discount either situation.

Ultimately I think your reasoning boils down to "Awaclus did something scummy and chairs voted for him, so let's lynch chairs." If someone is going to get lynched based on Awaclus' play I would rather it be Awaclus.

will you vote chairs to avoid a no lynch?

I would.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #409 on: September 10, 2018, 10:04:19 am »

A bit of theory, that I want to get out there well in advance of the deadline.

I understand that in most mafia games you allow a PR claim to prevent a lynch.
But in this set-up, with two doctors alive, things get very tricky. (DatSwan hinted at this in #283 which is what got me thinking).

If a scum member makes a fake doctor claim then it throws town into a complete mess:
- If town decides to go along with the fake claim for the time being, then not only are they treating the fake doctor as a kind of IC (I mean, the fake doctor can never be proved wrong by events, am I right?), but each town doctor then has to believe they are the only unclaimed doctor and kind of has to protect the fake doctor, thus totally wasting all town PR roles.
- Real doctors can't counterclaim the fake doctor without outing both real doctors.

So I think the only way out of this mess is to treat any doctor claim entirely on its own merits - does other evidence lead you to believe they are really a doctor? If not, seriously consider lynching them.

This only applies while two doctors are alive, of course. If there's only one left, then you counterclaim and get a normal 1v1 between the real doctor and the scum fake claimed one.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #410 on: September 10, 2018, 10:07:33 am »

Each town doctor then has to believe they are the only unclaimed doctor and kind of has to protect the fake doctor, thus totally wasting all town PR roles.

Doctors can not protect each other.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #411 on: September 10, 2018, 10:10:49 am »

Each town doctor then has to believe they are the only unclaimed doctor and kind of has to protect the fake doctor, thus totally wasting all town PR roles.

Doctors can not protect each other.

One doctor can protect another, the protection only breaks if they both protect each other.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #412 on: September 10, 2018, 10:12:43 am »

Now, I know if you've started scumreading me then you're probably not going to believe me here, but:

The reason I went after chairs so hard is because I wanted to see what he did if he got to intent to hammer. But I'm only around for another 50 minutes (I may manage to get on later, but can't guarantee it).

So it seems more important to get this theory out there in enough time that it can be accepted/rejected before it needs to be put into practice.

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #413 on: September 10, 2018, 10:13:01 am »

Each town doctor then has to believe they are the only unclaimed doctor and kind of has to protect the fake doctor, thus totally wasting all town PR roles.

Doctors can not protect each other.

One doctor can protect another, the protection only breaks if they both protect each other.

oooooohhhhhhhhhh sorry I messed this up in my head. I thought both doctors are machos
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #414 on: September 10, 2018, 10:22:54 am »

- If town decides to go along with the fake claim for the time being, then not only are they treating the fake doctor as a kind of IC (I mean, the fake doctor can never be proved wrong by events, am I right?), but each town doctor then has to believe they are the only unclaimed doctor and kind of has to protect the fake doctor, thus totally wasting all town PR roles.

A fake doctor would be outed if both real doctors died. Also I don't see a particular reason why anyone "has to" believe anything. You've been trying to direct people a lot this game, actually.

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #415 on: September 10, 2018, 10:34:29 am »

Agreed.

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #416 on: September 10, 2018, 10:35:14 am »

- If town decides to go along with the fake claim for the time being, then not only are they treating the fake doctor as a kind of IC (I mean, the fake doctor can never be proved wrong by events, am I right?), but each town doctor then has to believe they are the only unclaimed doctor and kind of has to protect the fake doctor, thus totally wasting all town PR roles.

A fake doctor would be outed if both real doctors died.

Good point. In fact, it only takes one real doctor to die. So it's not half as bad as I thought.
But still, there is something in it I think. With a claimed doctor and both doctors are still alive, if you are a doctor, you are left with the choice whether to protect the claimed doctor (who is either doctor or scum), or not. Which again comes down to reads - do you read them as a doctor or not?

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #417 on: September 10, 2018, 10:37:15 am »

vote count plz
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #418 on: September 10, 2018, 10:40:11 am »

So, here is where we are... Vote count WCD1
Xxraptorslayer96 (2): Hydrad, Uncleeurope
Hydrad (1): DatSwan
chairs (2): , Xxraptorslayer96, infangthief
Uncleeurope (2): Awaclus, chairs
Infangthief (3): Lalight, WCD, hypercube

I知 around for the next hour, and then again 16:00-17:00 forum time, and then on a plane for DL. I知 against no lynch.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #419 on: September 10, 2018, 10:43:24 am »

Vote Count 1.11

Xxraptorslayer96 (2): Hydrad, Uncleeurope
infangthief (3): LaLight, hypercube, WestCoastDidds
Hydrad (1): DatSwan
chairs (2): Xxraptorslayer96, infangthief
Uncleeurope (2): Awaclus, chairs

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day 1 ends at Sep 10, 18:00 forum time. That is in 7h 16m.

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #420 on: September 10, 2018, 11:02:28 am »

I will be popping in and out of functional connectivity at work as I知 mostly in a basement today. vote: fang

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #421 on: September 10, 2018, 11:02:47 am »

Well I've got to go. I'll try to look in later in case I need to move my vote to get a hammer through.

But if I don't manage to get on later, and if I'm lynched, well I look forward to seeing how this movie plays out. All I can say is sorry for upsetting those wagons that were forming so nicely on my scum-reads chairs and Eddie (not that I think there's a chairs-Eddie team here; chairs sat on Eddie for a while when Eddie was at L-1).
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #422 on: September 10, 2018, 11:04:04 am »

I will be popping in and out of functional connectivity at work as I知 mostly in a basement today. vote: fang

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #423 on: September 10, 2018, 11:06:07 am »

And I suppose the other thing I can say before I go is that I am town, but I mean that was obvious to most of you for most of day 1. I recommend not lynching me.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #424 on: September 10, 2018, 11:46:46 am »

Flight #1, see you in a couple of hours...
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