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[LaLight]

Are you suggesting that scum!chairs puts someone at L-1 at the start of day 1, and then his scum partner comes along and hammers? scum!chairs would be livid, surely. I don't think even a newbie scum player would hammer in that situation.
I mean, what would scum!chairs have to say at the start of day 2? "No, I don't think that hammer was suspicious. And no you shouldn't suspect the L-1 guy either."

PPE: 2

I think scum hammering in that situation would be pretty stupid, but town hammering there would be possibly even worse, so I don't think you can discount either situation.

Ultimately I think your reasoning boils down to "Awaclus did something scummy and chairs voted for him, so let's lynch chairs." If someone is going to get lynched based on Awaclus' play I would rather it be Awaclus.

so you're voting for Uncleeurope then

[infangthief]

Awaclus (1): DatSwan
Xxraptorslayer96 (2): Hydrad, Uncleeurope
WestCoastDidds (1): chairs
chairs (4): WestCoastDidds, Xxraptorslayer96, LaLight, infangthief
Uncleeurope (2): hypercube, Awaclus

So this is where we're at now

Actually I think you've missed a couple: chairs is back on Uncleeurope and DatSwan is now on Hydrad.

[LaLight]

Xxraptorslayer96 (2): Hydrad, Uncleeurope
chairs (4): WestCoastDidds, Xxraptorslayer96, LaLight, infangthief
Uncleeurope (3): hypercube, Awaclus, chairs
Hydrad (1): DatSwan

Fixed

[LaLight]

so we have 2 major wagons. I don't think we should switch onto Raptor anyway, so people there should move their vote.

[silverspawn]

Vote Count 1.10

Xxraptorslayer96 (2): Hydrad, Uncleeurope
Hydrad (1): DatSwan
chairs (4): WestCoastDidds, Xxraptorslayer96, LaLight, infangthief
Uncleeurope (3): hypercube, Awaclus, chairs

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day 1 ends at Sep 10, 18:00 forum time. That is in 10h 39m.

[WestCoastDidds]

so we have 2 major wagons. I don't think we should switch onto Raptor anyway, so people there should move their vote.

Why not switch to Raptor? Not enough time?

[hypercube]

Are you suggesting that scum!chairs puts someone at L-1 at the start of day 1, and then his scum partner comes along and hammers? scum!chairs would be livid, surely. I don't think even a newbie scum player would hammer in that situation.
I mean, what would scum!chairs have to say at the start of day 2? "No, I don't think that hammer was suspicious. And no you shouldn't suspect the L-1 guy either."

PPE: 2

I think scum hammering in that situation would be pretty stupid, but town hammering there would be possibly even worse, so I don't think you can discount either situation.

Ultimately I think your reasoning boils down to "Awaclus did something scummy and chairs voted for him, so let's lynch chairs." If someone is going to get lynched based on Awaclus' play I would rather it be Awaclus.

so you're voting for Uncleeurope then

Certainly I would vote for Awaclus before chairs. Right now I think Uncleeurope is more likely to be scum than either.

[LaLight]

so we have 2 major wagons. I don't think we should switch onto Raptor anyway, so people there should move their vote.

Why not switch to Raptor? Not enough time?

No. I may step on thin ice now, but i think Raptor requested replacement, so we should at least wait for someone else. This makes his inactivity NAI (not alignment indicative)

[WestCoastDidds]

Hyper, can you spin out the why on Ava, Eddie, Chairs a bit more?

[chairs]

Woof. The tunneling is real from fang. If I知 lynched today I encourage you to consider a fang Lynch tomorrow because that feels a lot like scum really trying to back up their mislynch.

[infangthief]

Woof. The tunneling is real from fang. If I知 lynched today I encourage you to consider a fang Lynch tomorrow because that feels a lot like scum really trying to back up their mislynch.

Sure, they can consider it if they like. Only if you flip as town of course.

[hypercube]

Hyper, can you spin out the why on Ava, Eddie, Chairs a bit more?

OK, my scumread on Eddie is mostly based on him playing in an anxious manner; he's been very concerned with self-preservation even at points where he didn't have many votes on him. Since I pointed this out, he hasn't been posting as much, which could be that he doesn't think he's able to replicate his town tone and is hoping to fly under the radar, or that he's resigned to his lynch.

I think LL's explanation of Eddie's claim of not-Doctor as being newb scum eager to claim VT is plausible. It's also slightly interesting that he claimed to not be a doctor instead of claiming to be a VT -- those aren't exactly the same thing.

Regarding Awaclus, I think the doctoring plan was bad because there's no need to restrict the doctors' choices when the odds of them colliding is so low. I gave some scumpoints to Hydrad, Awa, and LL for vocally supporting it. LL's subsequent responses seemed towny to me, but I didn't like Awaclus', especially this:

There are more people pushing this idea than there are scum, therefore pushing the idea is not suspicious.

which I still think is fallacious. He later explained that he was supporting the plan in hopes that the doctors wouldn't follow it but scum would think that they were, which was a plausible enough explanation that I dialed back my read on him from "very scummy" to "somewhat scummy".

Regarding chairs I don't think he's done anything particularly scummy. I think that putting Awaclus at L-1 was fine since we can trust town to not hammer before Awa responds. I don't really buy infang's theory that Awaclus is such a strong player relative to the other vets that chairs has been seeking to get him out of the game since his first post. Overall I would say that chairs has been playing fairly boldly, which I'm willing to treat as a town indicator for today.

PPE 2

[Hydrad]

just woke up. havn't even had time to read everyones posts. I'll be able to post on my breaks though and then have time after work before lynch.

[hypercube]

I'll reread Hydrad in a bit since I realized that I haven't really scrutinized him much.

PPE 1

[infangthief]

Woof. The tunneling is real from fang. If I知 lynched today I encourage you to consider a fang Lynch tomorrow because that feels a lot like scum really trying to back up their mislynch.

Sure, they can consider it if they like. Only if you flip as town of course.

And no quick-lynching of course. The doctors may want some time to hear from people and work on their reads.

[LaLight]

Woof. The tunneling is real from fang. If I知 lynched today I encourage you to consider a fang Lynch tomorrow because that feels a lot like scum really trying to back up their mislynch.

Sure, they can consider it if they like. Only if you flip as town of course.

And no quick-lynching of course. The doctors may want some time to hear from people and work on their reads.

This is a weird post. It's like you believe chairs actually is town and think about how to come out townie the next day...

[infangthief]

Woof. The tunneling is real from fang. If I知 lynched today I encourage you to consider a fang Lynch tomorrow because that feels a lot like scum really trying to back up their mislynch.

Sure, they can consider it if they like. Only if you flip as town of course.

And no quick-lynching of course. The doctors may want some time to hear from people and work on their reads.

This is a weird post. It's like you believe chairs actually is town and think about how to come out townie the next day...

Of course, I'm aware that chairs may turn out to be town. The strongest case I have on him is "his play so far makes total sense from a scum point of view." See #372.

But at the same time, this post was to remind people that chairs would have been happy with a quick lynch day 1, which would have given the doctors no chance to get good reads.

[hypercube]

My method of winning is to be average at the game. I usually end up being viewed as town so I don't get lynched. And I'm not the strongest players so scum usually don't night kill me. Which ends up in from my perspective being in a decent amount of 1v1s to win or lose the game.

This seems to have been written from scum!Hydrad's perspective, (i.e., that the goal of the game is to survive to the end). I'm curious about the opinion of the other vets: is the above an accurate statement or is Hydrad being self-deprecating?

[LaLight]

My method of winning is to be average at the game. I usually end up being viewed as town so I don't get lynched. And I'm not the strongest players so scum usually don't night kill me. Which ends up in from my perspective being in a decent amount of 1v1s to win or lose the game.

This seems to have been written from scum!Hydrad's perspective, (i.e., that the goal of the game is to survive to the end). I'm curious about the opinion of the other vets: is the above an accurate statement or is Hydrad being self-deprecating?

I didn't play with scum!Hydrad yet, but as town he lives till the end, so this might be true about being average

[infangthief]

Of course, I'm aware that chairs may turn out to be town. The strongest case I have on him is "his play so far makes total sense from a scum point of view." See #372.

But at the same time, this post was to remind people that chairs would have been happy with a quick lynch day 1, which would have given the doctors no chance to get good reads.

Actually, here is the strongest version of my case (and the best summary):

In conclusion:
chairs says that an early day 1 Awaclus mis-lynch would have been nice.
Town!chairs has some pretty weak reasons for wanting an early day 1 Awaclus mis-lynch.
Scum!chairs has some pretty powerful reasons for wanting an early day 1 Awaclus mis-lynch.

[LaLight]

Of course, I'm aware that chairs may turn out to be town. The strongest case I have on him is "his play so far makes total sense from a scum point of view." See #372.

But at the same time, this post was to remind people that chairs would have been happy with a quick lynch day 1, which would have given the doctors no chance to get good reads.

Actually, here is the strongest version of my case (and the best summary):

In conclusion:
chairs says that an early day 1 Awaclus mis-lynch would have been nice.
Town!chairs has some pretty weak reasons for wanting an early day 1 Awaclus mis-lynch.
Scum!chairs has some pretty powerful reasons for wanting an early day 1 Awaclus mis-lynch.

I've seen your case

[chairs]

Woof. The tunneling is real from fang. If I知 lynched today I encourage you to consider a fang Lynch tomorrow because that feels a lot like scum really trying to back up their mislynch.

Sure, they can consider it if they like. Only if you flip as town of course.

And no quick-lynching of course. The doctors may want some time to hear from people and work on their reads.

This is a weird post. It's like you believe chairs actually is town and think about how to come out townie the next day...

Of course, I'm aware that chairs may turn out to be town. The strongest case I have on him is "his play so far makes total sense from a scum point of view." See #372.

But at the same time, this post was to remind people that chairs would have been happy with a quick lynch day 1, which would have given the doctors no chance to get good reads.

Are you suggesting doctor reads are better than a nigh guaranteed lunch on scum D2?

If we weren稚 so close to deadline I壇 just drop my vote on you and leave it there.

[LaLight]

as much as I hate to vote for an active newbie, I think he actually slipped there. Let's try vote: fang and see how this will work out. We still have quite a lot of time till deadline

[infangthief]

Are you suggesting doctor reads are better than a nigh guaranteed lunch on scum D2?

Why wouldn't you want to go for both?
And of course (if it were a choice) I would suggest that doctors protecting people at night is more valuable than lynching me, because I'm town.

[infangthief]

as much as I hate to vote for an active newbie, I think he actually slipped there. Let's try vote: fang and see how this will work out. We still have quite a lot of time till deadline

Slipped?
I mean, I guess you're not going to tell me how. But you've got me intrigued.