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Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Game over, Scum wins)
« on: August 25, 2018, 12:18:13 pm »



Welcome! This game uses a simple invented open setup, and is easy as an entry point into the game. See the next post for details. If you don't know the general rules of mafia, go here (click).

Mod: silverspawn

Tags: SpaceAnemone, Joseph2302

Coaches: mcmcsalot, faust, iguanaiguana, gkrieg

Players
  • LaLight – Mafia Goon (survived) – WINS
  • WestCoastDidds – VT (lynched day 5)
  • hypercube – Doctor (killed night 1)
  • chairs – VT (endgamed)
  • DatSwan – VT (killed night 3)
  • Xxraptorslayer96 Replacement: gkrieg – Doctor (killed night 2)
  • Hydrad – Mafia Rolecop (lynched day 2)WINS
  • Awaclus – VT (lynched day 3)
  • Uncleeurope – VT (killed night 4)
  • infangthief – VT (lynched day 1)

Game startNight 1Night 2Night 3Night 4Game End

The Rules:

The Golden Rule:
This is a game. Everyone who signs up to play must be considerate of each other, never get personal, and focus on having fun. Once the game starts, having signed up is a commitment: inactivity is just as inconsiderate as rude comments.

The Standard Rules:
1. No communication between players outside of the game thread or shared QTs at any time. This includes passing references, jokes, or cases in other games or threads, whether in context or not.
2. If the game thread is locked, do not post. If you are unsure if something is locked, ask the mod by PM.
3. Direct or verbatim quoting of mod-provided information is strictly forbidden. Paraphrasing is okay.
4. All night actions must be submitted within 23 hours of day ending.
5. Players must post once every 24 hours.
6. Do not edit or delete posts, ever. If you need to clarify or correct something, post again.
7. Invisible text, font size less than 10, and spoiler tags are not allowed.
8. Cryptography is not allowed.
9. The time between a lynch being reached and a flip being provided is called twilight. All players may continue posting during this time, including the lynched player.
10. Dead players may not post in thread or QT, except their Role QT. A lynched player is not "dead" until a flip has been provided.
11. Personal multimedia, such as video or audio recordings, are not allowed in the game thread.


The Voting Rules:
1. Votes should be in this format: vote: playername. If the colon is missing or 'vote' is misspelled, your vote will not count. If you are using a nickname, the decision of whether it counts is left up to me, but common nicknames are usually accepted. Any nickname which has counted at one point in the game is guaranteed to always count, so if you are unsure, simply use one that has worked in the past (or the real one). I also guarantee that I will never differentiate between upper- and lower case. Any experimentation with intentional misspellings or wrong syntax is permitted as strategic play and I do not consider it against the spirit of the game, however you run the risk that your vote doesn't count, obviously. I may or may not be automating vote counts.
2. Unvotes should be in this format: unvote or unvote: playername
3. Unvotes are not required if changing your vote from one player to another.
4. You may vote: no lynch
5. Lynches occur when a simple majority (rounded up) of living players is reached. Once reached, a lynch cannot be undone.
6. If a majority lynch is not reached by the Day's deadline, no lynch occurs.

The Rest:
1. Bold, purple text is reserved for the mod. Players may not use it.
2. If you have an issue or problem with the game, please use your personal QT or PM the mod. Do not post complaints in the game thread.
3. Mods make mistakes - please point them out gently. If they can be corrected, they will. If irreversible, they will stand as final to be commiserated over after the game.
4. Once the game has started, the best way to ask questions is in your personal QT. Sending a PM to the mod works, too. General rule questions may also be posted in the thread, but only do this if you are sure that this doesn't reveal information to other players. Pre-game, you may ask anything in the thread.
5. One prod will be issued after 48 hours without posting in the game thread. Players are subject to replacement or modkill after one prod.
6. All rule violations will be dealt with according to their severity, as determined by the mod.
7. Each player will receive their own QT, regardless of role. Don't quote from it. Paraphrasing is acceptable.
8. If the game goes on for 3 days and 3 nights without a lynch or nightkill, town wins.
9. You are not allowed to talk about the exact phrasing of mod messages. For example, you are not allowed to ask how exactly the opening message in someone else's QT was phrased, and neither are you allowed to state how yours was phrased. Violations of this rule will be dealt with an immediate mod kill. Of course, you are allowed to discuss the content of mod messages.


Deadlines:
First game-day lasts 6 RL-days, second lasts 8 RL-days, all subsequent ones last 10 RL-days. Nights last 1 RL-day.
« Last Edit: September 25, 2018, 06:27:48 pm by silverspawn »
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia
« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2018, 12:18:38 pm »

Setup:
  • 1 Mafia Goon
  • 1 Mafia Rolecop
  • 6 Vanilla Townies
  • 2 Town Doctors
Special Rule: if both doctors target each other during the night, neither of them is protected. Otherwise, all roles are standard. See here and here and feel free to ask questions if you are unsure about anything.

Flavor will be based on the show Adventure Time. The amount of flavor that will be in the game may vary from nothing to a lot depending on my moot, but nothing of it is relevant for the mechanical side of the game. You will have flavor names; scum will receive safe fake claims.

To any player with less than 10 games played: during night 0 (that's the phase where everyone confirms their role), you'll be asked whether you want a coach. If you do, you'll be assigned a random one in the list above. The coach will not be playing themselves, but they will have access to your private QT, and you may ask whatever question you want. Obviously, the coaches will not be allowed to communicate with each other, neither inside nor outside of the game. At game start, I will announce who got which coach.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Signups open)
« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2018, 12:27:40 pm »

OH MY GLOB /in
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Signups open)
« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2018, 12:41:27 pm »

/in

Thank you!!
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Signups open)
« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2018, 01:09:00 pm »

/tag

I could maybe join later, if you need more non-newbies.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Signups open)
« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2018, 01:30:39 pm »

/in
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Signups open)
« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2018, 04:22:32 pm »

Checking in with Snow to see if he is playing another one, I am at least going to be hovering, if nothing else. Once I get confirmation from him that he will join I am for sure in.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Signups open)
« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2018, 05:44:19 pm »

Come on, Eddie! Play with us!
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Signups open)
« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2018, 07:30:12 pm »

/in
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Signups open)
« Reply #9 on: August 26, 2018, 12:02:31 am »

I'll make up the numbers but if anyone would rather play instead I won't be broken hearted.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (5 slots left)
« Reply #10 on: August 26, 2018, 11:40:10 am »

/tag
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (5 slots left)
« Reply #11 on: August 27, 2018, 09:39:11 am »

I’m also in for playing or coaching if any of that is helpful.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (5 slots left)
« Reply #12 on: August 28, 2018, 01:32:04 am »

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (4 slots left)
« Reply #13 on: August 28, 2018, 02:20:24 pm »

Checking in with Snow to see if he is playing another one, I am at least going to be hovering, if nothing else. Once I get confirmation from him that he will join I am for sure in.

That's not working out, I assume?

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (4 slots left)
« Reply #14 on: August 28, 2018, 02:36:19 pm »

/tag, might join if there's not enough newbies.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (4 slots left)
« Reply #15 on: August 28, 2018, 03:52:26 pm »

Checking in with Snow to see if he is playing another one, I am at least going to be hovering, if nothing else. Once I get confirmation from him that he will join I am for sure in.

That's not working out, I assume?

I haven’t heard from him at all for awhile, for sure I will know something by Friday, though. Sorry I am being finickey about this, I just know that devoting the time to this will be more rewarding for me if he comes along for the ride.

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (4 slots left)
« Reply #16 on: August 29, 2018, 09:25:05 am »

We can have just some newbies and be more newbie friendly if there’s not enough of them?..
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (4 slots left)
« Reply #17 on: August 29, 2018, 10:06:34 am »

Like I said I really think it would be fun to give the newbies a vet coach to help out so that they don’t feel like they need to rely on the vets in game.

We have three newbies. 4 spots left and 3 more vets (me/space/Joseph) that have expressed interest. I’m sure if we advertised it as a pseudo normal game where there are a few newbies we could easily get 4 more vets interested. Then we would have a full game and 3 vets playing as “coaches” for the newbies. You would only have access to your designated newbie qt where any questions or concerns they have about reads/player metas/etc. can be discussed. But all in game posting and actually decisions would still be made by the newbies.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (4 slots left)
« Reply #18 on: August 29, 2018, 10:59:49 am »

I could be interested if you need more vets.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (4 slots left)
« Reply #19 on: August 29, 2018, 01:12:19 pm »


I really like the idea of the coaches for the newbies!
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (4 slots left)
« Reply #20 on: August 29, 2018, 01:14:23 pm »

/tag
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (4 slots left)
« Reply #21 on: August 29, 2018, 01:50:13 pm »

/tag

I can be a coach. I have a VLA upcoming in October, so I might be unavailable during the late stages of the game.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (4 slots left)
« Reply #22 on: August 29, 2018, 01:58:45 pm »

Will coach
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (4 slots left)
« Reply #23 on: August 29, 2018, 02:12:11 pm »

/tag

I can be a coach. I have a VLA upcoming in October, so I might be unavailable during the late stages of the game.

I could tag-team coach with faust.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (4 slots left)
« Reply #24 on: August 29, 2018, 02:29:42 pm »

who'll coach me
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (4 slots left)
« Reply #25 on: August 29, 2018, 03:18:14 pm »

I don't like the idea personally, but I'm not playing, so sure! Unless any of the newer players objects, we'll do the coaching thing.

Btw how many games has raptor played?

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (4 slots left)
« Reply #26 on: August 29, 2018, 03:34:11 pm »

I don't like the idea personally, but I'm not playing, so sure! Unless any of the newer players objects, we'll do the coaching thing.

Btw how many games has raptor played?

3 iirc
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (4 slots left)
« Reply #27 on: August 30, 2018, 03:48:17 pm »

oh wow I missed this was a newbie game (lol it is in the title). If I end up using up a spot that someone newer wants, I have no problem dropping out.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (4 slots left)
« Reply #28 on: September 01, 2018, 04:52:32 am »

ok I think everyone who was worried about blocking spots for other players can now safely join.

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (4 slots left)
« Reply #29 on: September 01, 2018, 06:11:26 pm »

/in if you need people to fill.
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« Reply #30 on: September 01, 2018, 06:22:31 pm »

/in
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (4 slots left)
« Reply #31 on: September 02, 2018, 02:05:02 am »

Eh, I will /in regardless.

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (One slot left!)
« Reply #32 on: September 02, 2018, 03:00:32 am »

Eh, I will /in regardless.

nice!

I'll make up the numbers but if anyone would rather play instead I won't be broken hearted.

is this still a thing? If so you could take the last slot.

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (One slot left!)
« Reply #33 on: September 02, 2018, 03:22:13 am »

Eh, I will /in regardless.

nice!

I'll make up the numbers but if anyone would rather play instead I won't be broken hearted.

is this still a thing? If so you could take the last slot.
They is listed as 4th though
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (One slot left!)
« Reply #34 on: September 02, 2018, 04:15:31 am »

Oh, right. I did sign it up.

It that case, it would still be good if you confirm that you're in fact playing.

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (One slot left!)
« Reply #35 on: September 02, 2018, 12:02:15 pm »

Wooo I’m excited!
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (One slot left!)
« Reply #36 on: September 02, 2018, 03:29:17 pm »

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (One slot left!)
« Reply #37 on: September 02, 2018, 03:44:49 pm »

Oh also, all players with < 10 games (wcd, eddie, phyphor, raptor I thinnk) who want a coach should just choose one out of the list in the OP. there are 4 available, so there's enough for everyone!

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (One slot left!)
« Reply #38 on: September 02, 2018, 04:24:00 pm »

Can I have a coach? :)
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (One slot left!)
« Reply #39 on: September 02, 2018, 04:25:19 pm »

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (One slot left!)
« Reply #40 on: September 03, 2018, 07:26:28 am »

Oh also, all players with < 10 games (wcd, eddie, phyphor, raptor I thinnk) who want a coach should just choose one out of the list in the OP. there are 4 available, so there's enough for everyone!

I would assign coaches randomly or have the newbies request one of the coaches via message so that people don’t know who’s coaching who.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (One slot left!)
« Reply #41 on: September 03, 2018, 07:32:43 am »

mafia is hard already, if someone is being coached it'll be even harder to make meta arguments, why do you want to make it even harder still by having players not know who they're playing against? I definitely want who-coaches-who to be public knowledge.

But we could make it random and then announce it if players prefer that.

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (One slot left!)
« Reply #42 on: September 03, 2018, 07:33:24 am »

mafia is hard already, if someone is being coached it'll be even harder to make meta arguments, why do you want to make it even harder still by having players not know who they're playing against? I definitely want who-coaches-who to be public knowledge.

Yes, I am for public knowledge as well
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« Reply #43 on: September 03, 2018, 08:16:09 am »

N.B. I am also a noob.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (One slot left!)
« Reply #44 on: September 03, 2018, 08:25:04 am »

My thought was that it would cut down on the meta arguments involving coaches at all. But I’m up for whatever you decide :)
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (One slot left!)
« Reply #45 on: September 03, 2018, 08:33:59 am »

N.B. I am also a noob.

right, sorry for forgetting you.

Ok, so on second thought I think distributing randomly is a better idea than doing it by choice. so what I'll do is just ask everyone eligible during N0 whether they want a coach, and if so send a randomly chosen coach a link to their QT. Then at game start I'll announce who got whom.

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (One slot left!)
« Reply #46 on: September 03, 2018, 08:35:55 am »

N.B. I am also a noob.

right, sorry for forgetting you.

Ok, so on second thought I think distributing randomly is a better idea than doing it by choice. so what I'll do is just ask everyone eligible during N0 whether they want a coach, and if so send a randomly chosen coach a link to their QT. Then at game start I'll announce who got whom.

Sounds great! One more signup let’s go!
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (One slot left!)
« Reply #47 on: September 03, 2018, 08:39:13 am »

Yeah, and I want a confirmation from phyphor that it's still here and hasn't forgotten about the game.

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (One slot left!)
« Reply #48 on: September 03, 2018, 10:46:23 am »


All that sounds good to me.

Maybe ping Phy...I had taken me a minute to figure out how the sign up posts work.
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« Reply #49 on: September 03, 2018, 12:15:29 pm »

Yeah, and I want a confirmation from phyphor that it's still here and hasn't forgotten about the game.

Confirmed.

I note that we're still not at 10 players but if we get two people wanting to play I'm happy to drop out, but if we only get 1 player I'm happy to make up the numbers.

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (One slot left!)
« Reply #50 on: September 03, 2018, 01:07:04 pm »

Neat! Ok, then as soon as one more player signs up, we're good to go.

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (One slot left!)
« Reply #51 on: September 03, 2018, 07:26:11 pm »

If you're not specifically looking for a new player in this one, I could fill :)

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (One slot left!)
« Reply #52 on: September 04, 2018, 02:11:46 am »

Go on, can I give this a go. Newbie.

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (One slot left!)
« Reply #53 on: September 04, 2018, 02:49:53 am »

I note that we're still not at 10 players but if we get two people wanting to play I'm happy to drop out, but if we only get 1 player I'm happy to make up the numbers.

Looks like chairs and infangthief both want in, so I'm happy to duck out. There'll be another game soon enough!
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (One slot left!)
« Reply #54 on: September 04, 2018, 03:23:54 am »

I forgot to pledge. Right, done that now. Anything else? Is it ok that I've never heard of Adventure Time?
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (One slot left!)
« Reply #55 on: September 04, 2018, 03:35:01 am »

I forgot to pledge. Right, done that now. Anything else? Is it ok that I've never heard of Adventure Time?

Unless specified otherwise, flavor can always be ignored entirely without having any disadvantage in the game. So yes, that's no problem.

I recommend watching it, though, it's a super interesting show!

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Full!)
« Reply #56 on: September 04, 2018, 03:41:24 am »

^ and the first three seasons are on netflix

I note that we're still not at 10 players but if we get two people wanting to play I'm happy to drop out, but if we only get 1 player I'm happy to make up the numbers.

Looks like chairs and infangthief both want in, so I'm happy to duck out. There'll be another game soon enough!

Alright then, I replaced you with chairs.

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (PMs going out)
« Reply #57 on: September 04, 2018, 03:44:36 am »

Thread locked!

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (PMs going out)
« Reply #58 on: September 04, 2018, 09:37:04 am »

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Awaiting Confirmations)
« Reply #59 on: September 04, 2018, 05:32:14 pm »

All players have confirmed!

WestCoastDidds and hypercube have requested coaches. They have (randomly) been assigned iguanaiguana and faust, respectively. infangthiel, Xxraptorslayer96, and Uncleeurope have declined to get a coach. All players have made the choice after seeing their role.

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #60 on: September 04, 2018, 05:36:34 pm »

hmmmmmmm some people asked for hosts some declined... That's an interesting addition to the game.

Anyway hi everyone, vote: hypercube!
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #61 on: September 04, 2018, 05:39:18 pm »

Setting: Royal Chambers, The Candy Kingdom, Ooo
Cast: a bunch of subjects


Princess Bubblegum: Thank you all for coming. I have something very important I need to tell you. But first, let me ask you a question. How many intelligent creatures do you think live in or close to Ooo? Let's say we count everyone who is smart enough to talk.

Jake: Eh, I don't know. Maybe a few thousand?

Finn: No way dude. Do you remember that time I climbed into the tree to get a frisbee back?

Jake: No? why would I?

Finn: There was a society of squirrels just in that tree! Or do you remember the time I spent three months playing with puppets? They should still be around. At least I hope so.

Princess Bubblegum: You guys have to think broader. Much broader.

Marceline: well, there is everyone in the Nightosphere...

BMO: I think all the monsters in the games I make are alive. Sometimes they and I like to chat about how fun life can be!

Princess Bubblegum: Broader! Broader! Think of all the strange creatures that you wouldn't expect to be alive but who are.

Lady Rainicorn: 많은 사람들은이 사실을 모릅니다.하지만 Rainicorn의 여러 색상은 실제로 수백만 개의 작은 호빗에서 색이 다른 지붕으로 도시를 건설합니다.

Bubble: I for one have never seen such a creature.

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BMO: I think I once made a game about people making games and some of them were also about making games...

Princess Bubblegum: You are not the first. Something like that happens at least a hundred times per hour. It's so often that all of us could be in one of BMO's games or living in a tiny part of someone's stomach and by sheer coincidence everything looks like it does to you. I have just finished the calculations, and I have determined that the chance for us to live at the highest level of reality are one in a million million million trillion million billion. To save all of our lives, I must now come up with a plan to break out and take the bodies of the real versions of us living outside. But there is one more thing! Through methods which you are not allowed to question, I have found out that one of you is only here to prevent me from doing this. Our job is to find the traitor and get rid of him. And I already know the perfect way to do this. BANANA GUARDS!

[Over a dozen members of the banana guard run into the room]

Princess Bubblegum: Apprehend EVERYBODY and throw them into the dungeon!

Princess Bubblegum: This way, I'll catch the traitor for sure. I'm so smart!

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #62 on: September 04, 2018, 05:39:27 pm »

Day 1 start!

Vote Count 1.0:

Not Voting (10): LaLight, WestCoastDidds, hypercube, chairs, DatSwan, Xxraptorslayer96, Hydrad, Awaclus, Uncleeurope, infangthief

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day 1 ends at September 10, 18:00 Forum Time.

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #63 on: September 04, 2018, 05:50:13 pm »

hmmmmmmm some people asked for hosts some declined... That's an interesting addition to the game.

Anyway hi everyone, vote: hypercube!

The vote will not count as it was technically before the start of the game

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #64 on: September 04, 2018, 05:58:36 pm »

Vote: Silverspawn

Clearly the scummiest person in this game.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #65 on: September 04, 2018, 05:58:56 pm »

vote: hypercube and hi to everyone again
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« Reply #66 on: September 04, 2018, 05:59:22 pm »

vote: hypercube and hi to everyone again

I don't think this vote will count either.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #67 on: September 04, 2018, 05:59:31 pm »

ok, here I go. Something clearly doesn't want me to vote for hypercube. let's try vote: Xxraptorslayer96
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« Reply #68 on: September 04, 2018, 06:02:07 pm »

By the way today I watched the last episode of AT. Sad to see it go
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #69 on: September 04, 2018, 06:02:34 pm »

ok, here I go. Something clearly doesn't want me to vote for hypercube. let's try vote: Xxraptorslayer96

It worked! Let me try too: vote: Xxraptorslayer96
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #70 on: September 04, 2018, 07:01:32 pm »

Ooh speedy wagons are the best, and definitely hugely scummy (Awaclus is basically confirmed scum at this point, you can trust me on this, I’m a doctor)

Vote: Awaclus
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #71 on: September 04, 2018, 07:12:39 pm »

(Awaclus is basically confirmed scum at this point, you can trust me on this, I’m a doctor)

Are you claiming Doctor here?
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #72 on: September 04, 2018, 07:14:21 pm »

Haha, nope, just a coincidence, forgot our set was flush with doctors.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #73 on: September 04, 2018, 07:40:32 pm »

Vote: Awaclus for being the second vote on a forming wagon. that super scummy. wait...
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #74 on: September 04, 2018, 07:57:52 pm »

Hi! I’m so pleased to see folks from last time.

I got a coach so hopefully I can avoid asking a million billion questions about acronyms and process.

I do know what a wagon is, though....
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #75 on: September 05, 2018, 12:45:51 am »

Hi hello well this is progressing quickly. I love it!

Initial reads, alphabetical order.

Awaclus: Voted for the mod, town.

chairs: Towniest motherclucker in the five boroughs.

DatSwan: DatScum? Not this game, maybe. Hasn't posted. Maybe scum.

hypercube: Scum. LaLight's partner.

Hydrad: Voted for Awaclus, clearly Town because voting for Awaclus is always Town.

infangthief: Trying to steal this game for the scumteam, maybe. Hasn't posted.

LaLight: Scum. hypercube's partner.

Uncleeurope: Softclaimed doctor and then took it back. Scum.

WestCoastDidds: Got a couch. Scum.

Xxraptorslayer96: XxTownSlayer96. Hasn't posted. Scum.

So anyway with all that said you're basically all scum, but vote: LaLight

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #76 on: September 05, 2018, 01:12:09 am »

Hey all! Didn’t realize this started. Reading now.

Welcome all new players!
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« Reply #77 on: September 05, 2018, 01:21:46 am »

Hey all! Didn’t realize this started. Reading now.

Welcome all new players!

Didn't vote for someone in first post, scummy.

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #78 on: September 05, 2018, 01:25:22 am »

What is it a coach can do? Like are we playing with Faust?
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« Reply #79 on: September 05, 2018, 01:44:02 am »

Hey all! Didn’t realize this started. Reading now.

Welcome all new players!

Didn't vote for someone in first post, scummy.

Vote: Chairs

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #80 on: September 05, 2018, 01:50:02 am »

Hello everyone!

Princess Bubblegum sounds shifty. Would you like to defend yourself?

Well this is my first game of forum Mafia. I played a few games in real life 15 years ago at uni, but I think that's completely different. I'm 'he'. I'm in UK, 5 hours ahead of forum time.

I was reading through the last newbie game and, well, it seems like many of us around here have never witnessed a single town death! Seems like a pretty safe neighbourhood round here...
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #81 on: September 05, 2018, 02:40:59 am »

Hey all! Didn’t realize this started. Reading now.

Welcome all new players!

Didn't vote for someone in first post, scummy.

Vote: Chairs

Am i town now ?

Is it your first post?
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #82 on: September 05, 2018, 02:41:21 am »

vote: Uncleeurope
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« Reply #83 on: September 05, 2018, 03:06:20 am »

Hydrad: Voted for Awaclus, clearly Town because voting for Awaclus is always Town.

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Uncleeurope: Softclaimed doctor and then took it back. Scum.

I feel like there is a logical inconsistency somewhere in here, I can’t put my finger on it, though... Tsk tsk.

It’s a bummer, though, I can’t vote for you because doing so would break my previously stated rule about wagons, what a shame. Seems like my only option is to squint furiously in your direction. Foiled by my own hand.
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« Reply #84 on: September 05, 2018, 03:23:39 am »

vote: DatSwan for being a bit too keen to avoid being scumread so early.
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« Reply #85 on: September 05, 2018, 03:51:35 am »

vote: DatSwan for being a bit too keen to avoid being scumread so early.

I like this guy!
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #86 on: September 05, 2018, 04:59:43 am »

Hi everyone!

For those who weren't in NM12, I'm fine with he or they pronouns.

vote: Awaclus for doctor-hunting.
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« Reply #87 on: September 05, 2018, 05:03:19 am »

Hi everyone!

For those who weren't in NM12, I'm fine with he or they pronouns.

vote: Awaclus for doctor-hunting.

And this is L-2
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« Reply #88 on: September 05, 2018, 05:03:56 am »

oh and I am fine with any pronoun you find suitable
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« Reply #89 on: September 05, 2018, 05:08:28 am »

It’s a bummer, though, I can’t vote for you because doing so would break my previously stated rule about wagons, what a shame. Seems like my only option is to squint furiously in your direction. Foiled by my own hand.

Rules are made to be broken!
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #90 on: September 05, 2018, 05:17:37 am »

What is it a coach can do? Like are we playing with Faust?

Faust has access to my QT. I intend to do my own thing; it sounded nice to have some outside feedback on my play.
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« Reply #91 on: September 05, 2018, 05:22:18 am »

Vote Count 1.1

Awaclus (3): Uncleeurope, Hydrad, hypercube
DatSwan (1): infangthief
Xxraptorslayer96 (1): Awaclus
chairs (1): DatSwan
Uncleeurope (1): LaLight
LaLight (1): chairs

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #92 on: September 05, 2018, 06:13:24 am »

Hi hello well this is progressing quickly. I love it!

Initial reads, alphabetical order.
Uncleeurope: Softclaimed doctor and then took it back. Scum.

WestCoastDidds: Got a couch. Scum.


Ooohhhhh....a couch!  That would be far more comfortable than a coach. Like hyper said...coaches can read the QT and answer questions. I'm super new. I had never heard of Mafia until LL posted on Discord for new players last month. Since then, I have played once and Infang is right, there were no town deaths. Perhaps more importantly UncleEurope became known as Eddie. Who says he is a doctor, but not a Doctor. Wha???

vote: chairs which are like couches, only more singular.

I'm a she, or WCD, or whatever.
 
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #93 on: September 05, 2018, 06:15:23 am »


rather vote: chairs because it's not yet 5am in Texas, and bolding is easy to forget
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #94 on: September 05, 2018, 06:15:41 am »

Hi hello well this is progressing quickly. I love it!

Initial reads, alphabetical order.
Uncleeurope: Softclaimed doctor and then took it back. Scum.

WestCoastDidds: Got a couch. Scum.


Ooohhhhh....a couch!  That would be far more comfortable than a coach. Like hyper said...coaches can read the QT and answer questions. I'm super new. I had never heard of Mafia until LL posted on Discord for new players last month. Since then, I have played once and Infang is right, there were no town deaths. Perhaps more importantly UncleEurope became known as Eddie. Who says he is a doctor, but not a Doctor. Wha???

vote: chairs which are like couches, only more singular.

I'm a she, or WCD, or whatever.

Your vote doesn't count as it is not bold :)
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #95 on: September 05, 2018, 08:58:43 am »

Hi everyone!

For those who weren't in NM12, I'm fine with he or they pronouns.

vote: Awaclus for doctor-hunting.

I wasn't asking if he was a Doctor, I was asking if he was claiming to be one. Asking people to clarify what they mean isn't PR-hunting.
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« Reply #96 on: September 05, 2018, 09:14:57 am »

Hi everyone!

For those who weren't in NM12, I'm fine with he or they pronouns.

vote: Awaclus for doctor-hunting.

I wasn't asking if he was a Doctor, I was asking if he was claiming to be one. Asking people to clarify what they mean isn't PR-hunting.

You essentially broke Eddie's breadcrumb though, if it was one. Doesn't really matter now
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #97 on: September 05, 2018, 09:36:01 am »


rather vote: chairs because it's not yet 5am in Texas, and bolding is easy to forget

And there I was assuming you lived somewhere which had a West Coast.
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« Reply #98 on: September 05, 2018, 09:43:17 am »

What is it a coach can do? Like are we playing with Faust?

Faust has access to my QT. I intend to do my own thing; it sounded nice to have some outside feedback on my play.

Sounds good.
I was in two minds whether to ask for one or not, but thought for my very first game I'll try on my own to get that first game experience. I think if it were my second game I'd have opted for one.

Now if I'd known that couches were an option, well sure yes please.
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« Reply #99 on: September 05, 2018, 09:43:49 am »


rather vote: chairs because it's not yet 5am in Texas, and bolding is easy to forget

And there I was assuming you lived somewhere which had a West Coast.

Right? I was in San Diego for a good bit and loved it. I do not love Texas. Alas...
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #100 on: September 05, 2018, 09:47:02 am »

Anyone else happy to share a bit of background? - how long have you been playing, how well do you know the other players, anything really. How townie are you on a scale of 1 to town?
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« Reply #101 on: September 05, 2018, 09:59:27 am »

I started playing in fall 2014, I know the other veterans reasonably well, and on a scale of 1 to town, I'm town. What's noteworthy about my playstyle is that I want to deny scum as much information as possible because I think it makes it more difficult for them to make good plays, which means that town also gets less information out of me than most other players.
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« Reply #102 on: September 05, 2018, 10:17:26 am »

My first game was on July 2016. I knowother veterans well, except maybe Hydrad, cause we played like 1-2 games together, he came back not a long ago. My playstyle is I am impossible to mislynch, I am fun, I am usually very active and my reads are usually wrong. I am town in this game which is actually awesome, because I always have no idea what to do as scum and become obvious at some point (I had a lot of correct lynches of myself)
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #103 on: September 05, 2018, 11:46:19 am »

My first game was dice mafia if I remember correctly. I don't remember the date that was but I think it was around 2014. I took a break for a couple years and recently came back so I'm familiar with most vets.

My town scale is obviously very town. Chairs basically has me as an IC so we are doing well so far.

My meta is generally kinda lurky or at least I'm not one of the top posters usually. But I'm working to get better at that.

My method of winning is to be average at the game. I usually end up being viewed as town so I don't get lynched. And I'm not the strongest players so scum usually don't night kill me. Which ends up in from my perspective being in a decent amount of 1v1s to win or lose the game.

So basically we have already won since I'm here.
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« Reply #104 on: September 05, 2018, 11:48:30 am »

Although looking at the people here I now realize how few I really know. Like chairs and awaclus are the people I think I've most played with. Then lalight and then I have barely played with any of you. Looking forward to getting to know you
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« Reply #105 on: September 05, 2018, 12:08:13 pm »

Wow that got rolling pretty quickly.

Hi all I’m Raptor,  I’ve been playing for like a year?  I have played like 3/4 games.  I’m tend to be on the lower end of posters. I come off as semi townie, points knocked off just because I’m not always crazy involved.

Swan and I are also close friends/ coworkers irl. He’s probably scum.
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« Reply #106 on: September 05, 2018, 12:26:31 pm »

My first game on here happened just recently, so that makes me a newbie, I do play a lot of these games separated from this forum, (or any forum for that matter, most of my gameplay is IRL) so I consider myself only slightly bad. Still getting used to the forum aspect of things.

I know nobody (don’t even play dominion much, a friend pulled me into this mess).

Town me has a problem in that he is always trying some weird strategy just to see if it works for future games, this leads to fun little adventures where I privately tell someone I am a (insert whatever term is used here to describe a scum who doesn’t know who the scum players are), that I think he is scum, and that we are buddies just to see his reaction. Turns out what they do is want to kill you for being bad, who knew.

That being said, I town-read him hard and trusted him from that point on, he just wanted me dead. But I got the desired result, AND we won, so I see no reason to discontinue that strategy.

10/10 would lie as town again.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #107 on: September 05, 2018, 12:35:48 pm »


Everyone seems so nice....it’s hard to wrap my mind around the fact that two of you are plotting to kill us! Gads!
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« Reply #108 on: September 05, 2018, 12:39:12 pm »


Everyone seems so nice....it’s hard to wrap my mind around the fact that two of you are plotting to kill us! Gads!

woah I had no idea there is a word "gad" in english. In Russian it means "a very bad guy" as well. This is awesome.

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« Reply #109 on: September 05, 2018, 01:26:52 pm »


Everyone seems so nice....it’s hard to wrap my mind around the fact that two of you are plotting to kill us! Gads!

woah I had no idea there is a word "gad" in english. In Russian it means "a very bad guy" as well. This is awesome.


In all fairness, I am not sure "gads" is actually a word.  But I use it the same way I use "Yikes!" In its verb form it means to flit about in a carefree way.  And yes, I am totally a word nerd here for all of your vocabulary needs. :)
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« Reply #110 on: September 05, 2018, 01:35:21 pm »

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« Reply #111 on: September 05, 2018, 01:39:33 pm »

I've played some IRL mafia but only one previous game of forum mafia. I lurked here for a while before I started to play so I know some of the metas and suchlike.

I'm town, can't get townier than that.
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« Reply #112 on: September 05, 2018, 02:47:34 pm »

It's a lot of different words. It's also a psychological condition.

Sweet! It is a real word! And I even mean it in the "goodness gracious" interjection kind of way.

Chats about the meanings of words are the epitome of town...everyone knows this
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #113 on: September 05, 2018, 03:29:59 pm »

So, Eddie's nod to doctoring suggests that we might want to think some about how the Docs work since if they seek to protect one another, they nullify their power, right? Without actually outing the Docs, obvi.

Or is it too soon to think about that? (Full disclosure: I work from home on Wednesdays so I have more time today than I will later in the week and as a result, I'm thinking more now than I will have time to think later. Which means it's totally okay to tell me to slow my roll.)
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« Reply #114 on: September 05, 2018, 03:56:38 pm »

Vote Count 1.2

Awaclus (3): Uncleeurope, Hydrad, hypercube
DatSwan (1): infangthief
Xxraptorslayer96 (1): Awaclus
chairs (2): DatSwan, WestCoastDidds
Uncleeurope (1): LaLight
LaLight (1): chairs

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« Reply #115 on: September 05, 2018, 04:45:54 pm »

So, Eddie's nod to doctoring suggests that we might want to think some about how the Docs work since if they seek to protect one another, they nullify their power, right? Without actually outing the Docs, obvi.

Or is it too soon to think about that? (Full disclosure: I work from home on Wednesdays so I have more time today than I will later in the week and as a result, I'm thinking more now than I will have time to think later. Which means it's totally okay to tell me to slow my roll.)

I would say it's to early to think about that right now. As in doing that both docs would have to claim. The real reason I imagine that rule is there is so that both docs can't just claim and be invincible making it basically impossible for scum to win once that happens.
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« Reply #116 on: September 05, 2018, 04:50:45 pm »

hmm. Actually I can think of a way to make sure they don't target each other. We could do something like doctor chooses to heal someone either 1/2 or 3 spots below them on the signup list. The doctor gets to choose what number to use so that way if scum kill gets blocked they don't know what one was the doctor. But it also means that doctors won't be able to both target each other.

I actually kinda like that idea now that I'm thinking about it.
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« Reply #117 on: September 05, 2018, 05:00:42 pm »

actually up to 4 places down from themselves. Say, doctors are 1 and 6, then 1 can heal 2,3,4,5 and 6 can heal 7,8,9,10. In no way doctors will choose each other
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #118 on: September 05, 2018, 05:02:03 pm »

but this actually saves us from the case when 2 doctors heal each other which is, well, unlikely. One can still heal the other and we'll have effectively 1 heal that night in this case. Better than 0, but still... I think healing whoever seems townier is a better choice
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« Reply #119 on: September 05, 2018, 05:03:02 pm »

but! If there are a lot of people seeming town, say, 2, then Doctor must prioritize the ones who are below him not more than for 4 positions. This makes sense this way
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« Reply #120 on: September 05, 2018, 05:03:14 pm »

sorry, I'm thinking while writing
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #121 on: September 05, 2018, 05:03:24 pm »

actually up to 4 places down from themselves. Say, doctors are 1 and 6, then 1 can heal 2,3,4,5 and 6 can heal 7,8,9,10. In no way doctors will choose each other

I like this plan.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #122 on: September 05, 2018, 05:03:51 pm »

I was thinking about the setup today and I saw no pluses in discussing it. Smart points to Hydrad
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #123 on: September 05, 2018, 05:07:00 pm »

actually up to 4 places down from themselves. Say, doctors are 1 and 6, then 1 can heal 2,3,4,5 and 6 can heal 7,8,9,10. In no way doctors will choose each other

I like this plan.

This plan has a downside in what if doctors are 1 and 2, but this is a town wifom. I still like "choose a person you think is town, and if there is more than 1, choose the one in up to 4 places below you"
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #124 on: September 05, 2018, 05:47:40 pm »

actually up to 4 places down from themselves. Say, doctors are 1 and 6, then 1 can heal 2,3,4,5 and 6 can heal 7,8,9,10. In no way doctors will choose each other

I like this plan.

This plan has a downside in what if doctors are 1 and 2, but this is a town wifom. I still like "choose a person you think is town, and if there is more than 1, choose the one in up to 4 places below you"

It’s a good plan. Towniest person no more than 4 spots below you in the sign up order. Thanks LL/Hydrad for being brainy!
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #125 on: September 05, 2018, 05:47:44 pm »

but this actually saves us from the case when 2 doctors heal each other which is, well, unlikely. One can still heal the other and we'll have effectively 1 heal that night in this case. Better than 0, but still... I think healing whoever seems townier is a better choice

you have to remember the a doctor can still heal another doctor. its just both doctors can't heal each other.

So we don't even lose a heal in that scenario. The only way we lose a heal is if doctors both heal the same target if we do the 1-4 way.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #126 on: September 05, 2018, 07:04:47 pm »

I do not like this plan. The primary reason is because the only potential downside of having everything be random is both doctor's proc each other and one of them is the NK target. Kind of slim chances. Def slim enough to not make a plan if that plan has any downside.

Assuming we do not lynch a cop or skum today - the pool of players to choose from a Doctor's PoV will on be a total of 9. Doctors take up 2 of those 9 slots, leaving 7 left. So either, the Doctor(s) that have the dead player in their pool remove that player from the rotation list, or they include them as usual knowing that they won't target them. Either way, all skum has to do is create an 4 players in a row that include the lynched player and 3 targets that are not skum - which is almost always going to be possible.

Here is an example of any given cop pool. The selection of NK/Cop targets by Skum is arbitrary:
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Player2 -  Copped N1
Player3 - Lynched Day 1
Player4 - N1 NK Target

It does not matter where this pool is aside for the fact that skum would need to create it out of 4 players that does not include skum (to ensure a doc getting the shot off correctly on the NK does not mess with their results).

From here, it could go down a few ways:
a) NK target dies, Cop result is a VT - Skum now has learned Doctor is either Player 1 or Player 10. Bad for us.
b) NK target lives, Cop result is a VT - Skum now has learned a Doctor must exist within Player 1 or Player 10. They don't get the kill, but still worse then random.
c) NK target dies, Cop result is a Doctor - Skum gets a kill and knows who one of the Doctors are. Worse case scenario for us.
d) NK target lives, Cop result is a Doctor - Skum doesn't get a kill, but finds the Doctor. Worse than random.


There are like a bazillion different variations of how this could go down with the actual sign up list, but the concept remains the same. Also, to that point, I would like to point out that skum could try to direct the lynch today if this plan is accept to ensure the best pool of candidates to choose from.

Then on top of all of this, something I am not even getting into, is the potential downside town has on itself from the WIFOM the next day.

Don't like this plan. LL is an experienced player - skum points up the wahoo for pushing this.
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« Reply #127 on: September 05, 2018, 07:07:07 pm »

also skummy from Hydrad - who is also an experienced player.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #128 on: September 05, 2018, 07:07:32 pm »

OK I am reading back and adding as I go - add Awaclus onto the list too.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #129 on: September 05, 2018, 07:08:10 pm »

Vote:Awaclus
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« Reply #130 on: September 05, 2018, 07:08:28 pm »

corrected format

Vote: Awaclus
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #131 on: September 05, 2018, 07:13:20 pm »

At this point the odds of both doctors targeting each other is basically negligible (1/81 if they select targets randomly). I agree with Swan that the people pushing this idea are suspicious.
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« Reply #132 on: September 05, 2018, 07:17:30 pm »

There are more people pushing this idea than there are scum, therefore pushing the idea is not suspicious.
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« Reply #133 on: September 05, 2018, 07:20:56 pm »

There are more people pushing this idea than there are scum, therefore pushing the idea is not suspicious.

This makes no sense. Town is capable of having scummy ideas, but they are still more likely to come from or be supported by scum.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #134 on: September 05, 2018, 07:26:17 pm »

There are more people pushing this idea than there are scum, therefore pushing the idea is not suspicious.

This makes no sense. Town is capable of having scummy ideas, but they are still more likely to come from or be supported by scum.

Yes it does. A lot of the time, scum doesn't want to draw attention to themselves by supporting an idea that is obviously scummy. Therefore, either the idea is not obviously scummy, or the people pushing it are probably not scum.
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« Reply #135 on: September 05, 2018, 07:32:20 pm »

There are more people pushing this idea than there are scum, therefore pushing the idea is not suspicious.

This makes no sense. Town is capable of having scummy ideas, but they are still more likely to come from or be supported by scum.

Yes it does. A lot of the time, scum doesn't want to draw attention to themselves by supporting an idea that is obviously scummy. Therefore, either the idea is not obviously scummy, or the people pushing it are probably not scum.

The idea can be scummy in the sense that it benefits scum without that being obviously the case, as it seems to have happened here.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #136 on: September 05, 2018, 07:43:04 pm »

There are more people pushing this idea than there are scum, therefore pushing the idea is not suspicious.

This makes no sense. Town is capable of having scummy ideas, but they are still more likely to come from or be supported by scum.

Yes it does. A lot of the time, scum doesn't want to draw attention to themselves by supporting an idea that is obviously scummy. Therefore, either the idea is not obviously scummy, or the people pushing it are probably not scum.

these are two separate points.
Just because there are more skum then players pushing the idea does not mean that the players pushing it are not skum.

Also, given the newbie set up of the game... this is exactly the place where a plan would be suggested such as this in hopes it goes overlooked.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #137 on: September 05, 2018, 07:43:32 pm »

all in all I care far less about the skumminess then about the fact that it should be random selection.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #138 on: September 05, 2018, 08:03:09 pm »

I'm fine with random if thats how we want it. But I would like to point out your theory has some flaws about how it can work.

I'll just make a super basic setup.

1. doc
2. doc
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4. vt
5. vt
6. vt
7. vt
8. vt
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10. scum

so in this scum could pick numbers 5-8. lynch 7. cop 6 and kill 8.


From here, it could go down a few ways:
a) NK target dies, Cop result is a VT - Skum now has learned Doctor is either Player 1 or Player 10. Bad for us.
b) NK target lives, Cop result is a VT - Skum now has learned a Doctor must exist within Player 1 or Player 10. They don't get the kill, but still worse then random.
c) NK target dies, Cop result is a Doctor - Skum gets a kill and knows who one of the Doctors are. Worse case scenario for us.
d) NK target lives, Cop result is a Doctor - Skum doesn't get a kill, but finds the Doctor. Worse than random.


so here if we get the a) result. scum hasn't really learned anything about where the docs are at all.
I will agree b) could be bad still
c) this can happen in all random also, doing this number setup doesn't change it at all I believe.
d) this also can happen in all random I would say the same amount of time.

I'd also say when a person dies from lynching I wouldn't count them in the numbers personally anymore but if we don't think this plan is good we don't have to go through with it so I don't even have to discuss this part really.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #139 on: September 05, 2018, 08:51:47 pm »

I'm fine with random if thats how we want it. But I would like to point out your theory has some flaws about how it can work.

I'll just make a super basic setup.

1. doc
2. doc
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4. vt
5. vt
6. vt
7. vt
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10. scum

so in this scum could pick numbers 5-8. lynch 7. cop 6 and kill 8.


From here, it could go down a few ways:
a) NK target dies, Cop result is a VT - Skum now has learned Doctor is either Player 1 or Player 10. Bad for us.
b) NK target lives, Cop result is a VT - Skum now has learned a Doctor must exist within Player 1 or Player 10. They don't get the kill, but still worse then random.
c) NK target dies, Cop result is a Doctor - Skum gets a kill and knows who one of the Doctors are. Worse case scenario for us.
d) NK target lives, Cop result is a Doctor - Skum doesn't get a kill, but finds the Doctor. Worse than random.


so here if we get the a) result. scum hasn't really learned anything about where the docs are at all.
I will agree b) could be bad still
c) this can happen in all random also, doing this number setup doesn't change it at all I believe.
d) this also can happen in all random I would say the same amount of time.

I'd also say when a person dies from lynching I wouldn't count them in the numbers personally anymore but if we don't think this plan is good we don't have to go through with it so I don't even have to discuss this part really.

my point wasn't to say that it was 100% skum can gain the upperhand, just that there are ways in which skum could gain the upper hand. with that being the case, I do not like the idea of the plan vs random. In random, they may be able to achieve RESULTS that are the same, but if they do they get them randomly, not because we allow them a chance at gaining results systematically.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #140 on: September 05, 2018, 10:30:11 pm »

(begin Reddit reference) Look that's all well and good but let's get back to focusing on the movie (end Reddit reference).

Plan is bad.

If Doctors are 1 and 2, and they both choose from "up to 4 below", 1 picks 3, 2 picks 3, both valid choices for them, prevents either from working. Doctors should pick from the entire pool.

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« Reply #141 on: September 06, 2018, 01:42:13 am »

(begin Reddit reference) Look that's all well and good but let's get back to focusing on the movie (end Reddit reference).

Plan is bad.

If Doctors are 1 and 2, and they both choose from "up to 4 below", 1 picks 3, 2 picks 3, both valid choices for them, prevents either from working. Doctors should pick from the entire pool.

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They don’t prevent each other from working if they have the same target
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #142 on: September 06, 2018, 01:45:00 am »

Oh, i was just glad there was a plan. I am a really bad setup speculator and usually i leave it to smarter people, thanks Swan

I don’t agree this plan makes half the game scum
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« Reply #143 on: September 06, 2018, 01:46:18 am »

If anything, vote: chairs
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« Reply #144 on: September 06, 2018, 01:51:18 am »

I'm alarmed at how quickly we've reached L-1. Especially as the first two votes on the Awaclus wagon were pretty random.

Hydrad and UncleEurope, please could you either give a reason for keeping your vote on Awaclus, or else unvote?
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« Reply #145 on: September 06, 2018, 03:07:09 am »

actually up to 4 places down from themselves. Say, doctors are 1 and 6, then 1 can heal 2,3,4,5 and 6 can heal 7,8,9,10. In no way doctors will choose each other

I like this plan.

Awaclus, how does this plan fit with your playstyle of denying scum as much information as possible?
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« Reply #146 on: September 06, 2018, 03:13:39 am »

Hydrad: Voted for Awaclus, clearly Town because voting for Awaclus is always Town.

Chairs, please could you expand on this? Meta reasoning, or wagon incitement?
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« Reply #147 on: September 06, 2018, 03:42:25 am »

And while I'm here asking questions of particular people, here's another one:

10/10 would lie as town again.

Uncleeurope (may I call you Eddie?) could you give us a percentage chance of how likely you are to lie as town in this particular game?
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« Reply #148 on: September 06, 2018, 04:44:14 am »

actually up to 4 places down from themselves. Say, doctors are 1 and 6, then 1 can heal 2,3,4,5 and 6 can heal 7,8,9,10. In no way doctors will choose each other

I like this plan.

Awaclus, how does this plan fit with your playstyle of denying scum as much information as possible?

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« Reply #149 on: September 06, 2018, 04:44:57 am »

Hydrad: Voted for Awaclus, clearly Town because voting for Awaclus is always Town.

Chairs, please could you expand on this? Meta reasoning, or wagon incitement?

It is a meta reasoning. There is a history of Town people voting for Awaclus all the time because of his playstyle
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #150 on: September 06, 2018, 04:45:56 am »

I somehow scumread all of you, it’s a shame i’m not a doublevoter. Except maybe Hydrad and DatSwan
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« Reply #151 on: September 06, 2018, 04:49:16 am »

Agreed DatSwan seems fairly townie at the moment.
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« Reply #152 on: September 06, 2018, 04:51:07 am »

Agreed DatSwan seems fairly townie at the moment.
unvote: DatSwan

I like how you're Thief and infangthief. Also you can just say unvote and this will count

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #153 on: September 06, 2018, 04:59:49 am »

Hydrad: Voted for Awaclus, clearly Town because voting for Awaclus is always Town.

Chairs, please could you expand on this? Meta reasoning, or wagon incitement?

It is a meta reasoning. There is a history of Town people voting for Awaclus all the time because of his playstyle

Thanks, but I would still like to hear from chairs on the matter.
As far as I can see, chairs, you have given a green light to anyone wanting to jump on a wagon (2 votes at that stage, with no reasonable argument at that point), and then you yourself joined the wagon as the 5th vote (L-1).
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #154 on: September 06, 2018, 05:09:08 am »

Agreed DatSwan seems fairly townie at the moment.
unvote: DatSwan

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vote: chairs

It took me quite a while there to work out why you wrote "vote: chairs" when you were already on him. Makes sense now.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #155 on: September 06, 2018, 05:10:07 am »

Agreed DatSwan seems fairly townie at the moment.
unvote: DatSwan

I like how you're Thief and infangthief. Also you can just say unvote and this will count

vote: chairs

It took me quite a while there to work out why you wrote "vote: chairs" when you were already on him. Makes sense now.

You're now on him as well (though I take it as intentional)
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #156 on: September 06, 2018, 05:15:51 am »

Agreed DatSwan seems fairly townie at the moment.
unvote: DatSwan

I like how you're Thief and infangthief. Also you can just say unvote and this will count

vote: chairs

It took me quite a while there to work out why you wrote "vote: chairs" when you were already on him. Makes sense now.

You're now on him as well (though I take it as intentional)

Yes, thoroughly intentional, I think that puts him on 3 votes.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #157 on: September 06, 2018, 05:25:12 am »

Vote Count 1.3

Awaclus (5): Uncleeurope, Hydrad, hypercube, DatSwan, chairs
Xxraptorslayer96 (1): Awaclus
chairs (3): WestCoastDidds, LaLight, infangthief

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #158 on: September 06, 2018, 05:26:40 am »

I am torn between thinking chairs is 100% scum, WCD is 100% scum and Eddie is 100% scum.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #159 on: September 06, 2018, 05:27:40 am »

in case of Eddie it is a gut feel and not liking lying town in any way, WCD seems much more enthusiastical than I remember her to be and also she asked for a coach. Chairs is scummy for putting Awaclus on L-1 and disappearing. Also Raptor is lurking and this is his scum meta iirc
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #160 on: September 06, 2018, 05:28:06 am »

DS can I sheep you please (not right now though)
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« Reply #161 on: September 06, 2018, 05:29:40 am »

infang and hypercube are null, Awaclus is null-a little scummy, DS and Hydrad are on a townie side
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« Reply #162 on: September 06, 2018, 05:29:57 am »

infangthief, is it ok to call you infang?
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #163 on: September 06, 2018, 07:04:43 am »

I'm alarmed at how quickly we've reached L-1. Especially as the first two votes on the Awaclus wagon were pretty random.

Hydrad and UncleEurope, please could you either give a reason for keeping your vote on Awaclus, or else unvote?

Unvote

My vote was meant as a joke (clearly) and has no bearing on the game state currently, I need to reread everything before someone dies unjustly.

Gimmee a bit to get a post together.
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« Reply #164 on: September 06, 2018, 07:06:00 am »

infangthief, is it ok to call you infang?
I guess so. (Bang goes my cunning plan that no-one would ever vote for a name that's hard to shorten...).
So it seems this time of forum-day is when you and I are awake and everyone else (presumably in the US?) is asleep.
I'm going to make one more post, on the doctor plan theory, then I'm going to try and shut up and wait for some responses from the other folk.

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« Reply #165 on: September 06, 2018, 07:12:32 am »

infangthief, is it ok to call you infang?
I guess so. (Bang goes my cunning plan that no-one would ever vote for a name that's hard to shorten...).
So it seems this time of forum-day is when you and I are awake and everyone else (presumably in the US?) is asleep.
I'm going to make one more post, on the doctor plan theory, then I'm going to try and shut up and wait for some responses from the other folk.

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« Reply #166 on: September 06, 2018, 07:12:54 am »

infangthief, is it ok to call you infang?
I guess so. (Bang goes my cunning plan that no-one would ever vote for a name that's hard to shorten...).
So it seems this time of forum-day is when you and I are awake and everyone else (presumably in the US?) is asleep.
I'm going to make one more post, on the doctor plan theory, then I'm going to try and shut up and wait for some responses from the other folk.

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yeah, I am used to being easter than anyone else

Awaclus is also European
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #167 on: September 06, 2018, 07:14:25 am »

Some analysis on the actual doctor plan. Let's assume that by the end of today:
1. we have lynched a non-doctor
2. doctors have no reads regarding who is most likely doctor/vt/scum
(Assumption 1 is an essential assumption when considering the plan; Assumption 2 is unlikely, but simplifies the analysis)

Without the plan:
- chance of protecting two players = 56/64
- chance of protecting one player = 7/64
- chance of protecting no players = 1/64

With the plan:
- chance of protecting two players = 58/64
- chance of protecting one player = 6/64
- chance of protecting no players = 0/64

So the expected number of players protected is slightly higher with the plan than without. But only very slightly.

However, as DatSwan points out, the plan gives the scum team lots of advantages based on things like:
- they know where scum are in the ordering (thus which players are more/less likely to be protected by the plan).
- in the event of no night kill, they know which player they attempted to lynch.

So I am strongly in favour of not coordinating the doctor targets in any way.
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« Reply #168 on: September 06, 2018, 07:21:13 am »

infangthief, is it ok to call you infang?

Or just fang??
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #169 on: September 06, 2018, 07:30:13 am »


Good morning!  I’ve got to get to work and teach a couple of classes but I’ll have a minute after that to catch up.

I appreciate infang, hydrad, and swan laying out pros and cons of having a plan. I’m cool with no plan or a plan or whatever. It just seemed notable that the town PR canceled each other and wondered if coordination was necessary. But I’m compelled that the chances of that are minimal, at least for the time being.

LL, if I’m reading scummy, that is 100% one of your previously noted off reads. I was more enthusiastic yesterday than the last time I played because, we’ll, last time I didn’t know the game had started because newb. This time I knew it was time to go!

You’ll laugh when you read my coaching qt. It has questions like “what is copped?” I’m hoping the coach will help make me more savvy. Also, I wouldn’t need a coach at all if I was scum because I’d have a partner. In fact, that might be a reason to squint at the newbs who eschewed the opportunity.

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #170 on: September 06, 2018, 07:33:52 am »

Yesterday was a rough day for me, I had gotten a scarce amount of hours of sleep in the night and have my longest school day on Wednesdays which left me quite exhausted, so when I went to bed I was out for a long while in total.

So sadly I missed this entire storyline in our little game and was unable to react to it sooner.

There are a few elements I need to address.

1. I am not a doctor, I use the phrase "Trust me I'm a _____ Doctor" a lot IRL (pulled it from a video where guy explained something that made no sense and his evidence for trusting him was to trust him because he was a math doctor, despite math being barely related). I realize this makes no sense and is a weird coincidence, but there ya go.

And while I'm here asking questions of particular people, here's another one:

10/10 would lie as town again.

Uncleeurope (may I call you Eddie?) could you give us a percentage chance of how likely you are to lie as town in this particular game?

2. Honestly, medium likelyhood, but it hasn't happened yet. #NotaDoctor

And of course you may call me Eddie, I was handed that nickname last game and it seems destined to stick. (Fastest nickname I have ever achieved on a forum.)

3. I am very hesitant of this doctor preplanning session as well, it seems unintuitive to me to embrace it fully while ignoring the tried and true "Heal who you think will get attacked." I think Swan's reaction to this was a fair one (And does take him off my list where his squirreley behavior early had placed him previously)

in case of Eddie it is a gut feel and not liking lying town in any way, WCD seems much more enthusiastical than I remember her to be and also she asked for a coach. Chairs is scummy for putting Awaclus on L-1 and disappearing. Also Raptor is lurking and this is his scum meta iirc

4. Yeah, sorry about that, I have been told that people get used to me, I have also been told to expect to die a lot because of it. If it makes you feel better I only lie when I can perceive some gain from it.

Also, the WCD bit I have noticed a fraction of as well, although I associated the coach to causing the enthusiasm...?

5. Chairs seems reeeeaal iffy to me right now... If only he would respond after signing someone away to death. I don't want to vote for him though, I feel like swinging from one wagon to another has no benefits. I have to say, though, I like this Thief fellow, he seems cautious, and I like that. Swan also seems like someone I trust for the time being. and Raptor not saying ANYTHING is really annoying.

I honestly don't know who to vote for,

Vote: Raptor

I will stick with that until I don't.
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« Reply #171 on: September 06, 2018, 07:36:23 am »

please, don't claim not a Doctor, this gives the scum an opportunity to PoE who doctors are. Also exactly this was the thing I have done as newb!scum once, so...

I'm gonna go back to vote: Uncleeurope
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« Reply #172 on: September 06, 2018, 07:36:36 am »

why are you voting for Raptor?
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« Reply #173 on: September 06, 2018, 07:36:56 am »

I am ok to return to chairs at any given moment
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« Reply #174 on: September 06, 2018, 07:50:38 am »

please, don't claim not a Doctor, this gives the scum an opportunity to PoE who doctors are. Also exactly this was the thing I have done as newb!scum once, so...

I'm gonna go back to vote: Uncleeurope

Sigh... There is no way to react to this properly, but whatever, digging my own grave is something I am accustomed to.

Scum!me would rarely take away options through such a claim as "Not a doctor." That being said, I completely understand that I look bad, this whole doctor business is causing chaos much in the vein of what a scum would want. (AKA I am helping scum with all this malarkey)

So I apologize for that.

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« Reply #175 on: September 06, 2018, 07:57:48 am »

actually up to 4 places down from themselves. Say, doctors are 1 and 6, then 1 can heal 2,3,4,5 and 6 can heal 7,8,9,10. In no way doctors will choose each other

I like this plan.

Awaclus, how does this plan fit with your playstyle of denying scum as much information as possible?

It doesn't really give scum any information because doctors aren't obliged to follow it.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #176 on: September 06, 2018, 08:25:33 am »

in case of Eddie it is a gut feel and not liking lying town in any way, WCD seems much more enthusiastical than I remember her to be and also she asked for a coach. Chairs is scummy for putting Awaclus on L-1 and disappearing. Also Raptor is lurking and this is his scum meta iirc

I am basically -always- going to disappear after I post, as my most-available times to post are right before bed and right before I leave for work. Case in point, I'm responding to what's happened while I was sleeping and will subsequently not be on for a big chunk of time. One of the reasons I play Mafia on f.ds is due to the longer cycles leading to my availability being less of an issue, and if you don't remember times when I've still been prodded / replaced for inactivity issues then we haven't played together enough.

I firmly believe putting Awaclus on L-1 was the right move and I suspect Awaclus would agree with me, actually - a big issue on D1 is generating meaningful interactions. We have 5 IRL days left of D1, and LOOK HOW MUCH CONTENT just got generated over that! We also didn't see a hammer, which if anybody other than you had posted before you did, would have made them feel Towny to me. The fact that you think putting someone at L-1 is scummy, however, makes me consider your response neutral (not scummy - I can see why you particularly, given your meta on this forum, would have felt like this was scummy, but you did just ruin a great opportunity for a newbie scum to stumble into an early hammer).

vote: uncleeurope for basically the same reason LaLight voted for him - not a fan of the not-Doctor claim, as much as I wouldn't be a fan of a Doctor claim here.

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #177 on: September 06, 2018, 08:26:49 am »

I'm in Europe as well; however I'm somewhat LA today and tomorrow since I'm at a conference.

Quick thoughts: I don't think chairs putting Awaclus at L-1 is scummy. He was very upfront about it, and it led to someone having to defend themself for the first time this game. I'm still not really happy with Awaclus' reasoning; it seems more incoherent than I'd expect.

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« Reply #178 on: September 06, 2018, 08:31:54 am »

I am torn between thinking chairs is 100% scum, WCD is 100% scum and Eddie is 100% scum.

This seems ... contrived.
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« Reply #179 on: September 06, 2018, 08:34:30 am »

It's strange to me that you could scumread everyone at a point in the game where a lot of players haven't really interacted yet.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #180 on: September 06, 2018, 08:37:53 am »

Re: Eddie claiming not-Doctor, I can't see how that would be a rational move for scum!Eddie. Of course it's possible he made a mistake, but it doesn't strike me as a nefarious plot.
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« Reply #181 on: September 06, 2018, 08:41:00 am »

I added "fang" and "infang" to infangthief's list of nicknames. They will be recognized abbreviations for future vote counts.

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« Reply #182 on: September 06, 2018, 08:53:23 am »

It's strange to me that you could scumread everyone at a point in the game where a lot of players haven't really interacted yet.

Oh I love jumping to early conclusions. In many games I felt like there is an obvious scum team (and i was right quite several times) and then they get slipped away by a lot of posting and I never am able to convince anyone. What I'm trying to say is I firmly believe my initial reads unless proven wrong, because I think scum needs time to adjust to a game, so in the beginning they are always scummier than in the end.

About Eddie's claim, for me it worked that way: I didin't want to counterclaim anyone in a game ever and all I wanted was to seem VT so when anyone (Awaclus I believe) thought I was vigilante, I quickly said oh no I am not. So yeah, self-preservation.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #183 on: September 06, 2018, 08:55:52 am »

in case of Eddie it is a gut feel and not liking lying town in any way, WCD seems much more enthusiastical than I remember her to be and also she asked for a coach. Chairs is scummy for putting Awaclus on L-1 and disappearing. Also Raptor is lurking and this is his scum meta iirc

I am basically -always- going to disappear after I post, as my most-available times to post are right before bed and right before I leave for work. Case in point, I'm responding to what's happened while I was sleeping and will subsequently not be on for a big chunk of time. One of the reasons I play Mafia on f.ds is due to the longer cycles leading to my availability being less of an issue, and if you don't remember times when I've still been prodded / replaced for inactivity issues then we haven't played together enough.

I firmly believe putting Awaclus on L-1 was the right move and I suspect Awaclus would agree with me, actually - a big issue on D1 is generating meaningful interactions. We have 5 IRL days left of D1, and LOOK HOW MUCH CONTENT just got generated over that! We also didn't see a hammer, which if anybody other than you had posted before you did, would have made them feel Towny to me. The fact that you think putting someone at L-1 is scummy, however, makes me consider your response neutral (not scummy - I can see why you particularly, given your meta on this forum, would have felt like this was scummy, but you did just ruin a great opportunity for a newbie scum to stumble into an early hammer).

vote: uncleeurope for basically the same reason LaLight voted for him - not a fan of the not-Doctor claim, as much as I wouldn't be a fan of a Doctor claim here.

I am sincerely sorry, I know about your general availability. It is just putting people to L-1 is really dangerous. I don't know what good would derphammer of a newbie bring. I mean it worked in NM12, but it is not that guaranteed that both lynchee and hammerer are not town. I actually think we need to be more careful concerning this
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #184 on: September 06, 2018, 08:57:05 am »

in case of Eddie it is a gut feel and not liking lying town in any way, WCD seems much more enthusiastical than I remember her to be and also she asked for a coach. Chairs is scummy for putting Awaclus on L-1 and disappearing. Also Raptor is lurking and this is his scum meta iirc

I am basically -always- going to disappear after I post, as my most-available times to post are right before bed and right before I leave for work. Case in point, I'm responding to what's happened while I was sleeping and will subsequently not be on for a big chunk of time. One of the reasons I play Mafia on f.ds is due to the longer cycles leading to my availability being less of an issue, and if you don't remember times when I've still been prodded / replaced for inactivity issues then we haven't played together enough.

I firmly believe putting Awaclus on L-1 was the right move and I suspect Awaclus would agree with me, actually - a big issue on D1 is generating meaningful interactions. We have 5 IRL days left of D1, and LOOK HOW MUCH CONTENT just got generated over that! We also didn't see a hammer, which if anybody other than you had posted before you did, would have made them feel Towny to me. The fact that you think putting someone at L-1 is scummy, however, makes me consider your response neutral (not scummy - I can see why you particularly, given your meta on this forum, would have felt like this was scummy, but you did just ruin a great opportunity for a newbie scum to stumble into an early hammer).

vote: uncleeurope for basically the same reason LaLight voted for him - not a fan of the not-Doctor claim, as much as I wouldn't be a fan of a Doctor claim here.

I am sincerely sorry, I know about your general availability. It is just putting people to L-1 is really dangerous. I don't know what good would derphammer of a newbie bring. I mean it worked in NM12, but it is not that guaranteed that both lynchee and hammerer are not town. I actually think we need to be more careful concerning this

WCD early hammered on D1 of NM12 and she was town. I know, this is a little different as practically everyone scumread Simon Jester back then, but still
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #185 on: September 06, 2018, 08:58:04 am »

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #186 on: September 06, 2018, 08:59:00 am »

other than that Eddie just becomes scummier
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #187 on: September 06, 2018, 09:03:38 am »

It's strange to me that you could scumread everyone at a point in the game where a lot of players haven't really interacted yet.

Oh I love jumping to early conclusions. In many games I felt like there is an obvious scum team (and i was right quite several times) and then they get slipped away by a lot of posting and I never am able to convince anyone. What I'm trying to say is I firmly believe my initial reads unless proven wrong, because I think scum needs time to adjust to a game, so in the beginning they are always scummier than in the end.

I don't think there's anything wrong with jumping to conclusions early, but to me your posts indicated indecisiveness, and also a  feeling that you were obligated to be decisive.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #188 on: September 06, 2018, 09:04:31 am »

It's strange to me that you could scumread everyone at a point in the game where a lot of players haven't really interacted yet.

Oh I love jumping to early conclusions. In many games I felt like there is an obvious scum team (and i was right quite several times) and then they get slipped away by a lot of posting and I never am able to convince anyone. What I'm trying to say is I firmly believe my initial reads unless proven wrong, because I think scum needs time to adjust to a game, so in the beginning they are always scummier than in the end.

I don't think there's anything wrong with jumping to conclusions early, but to me your posts indicated indecisiveness, and also a  feeling that you were obligated to be decisive.

obligated? By who?
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« Reply #189 on: September 06, 2018, 09:05:14 am »

in case of Eddie it is a gut feel and not liking lying town in any way, WCD seems much more enthusiastical than I remember her to be and also she asked for a coach. Chairs is scummy for putting Awaclus on L-1 and disappearing. Also Raptor is lurking and this is his scum meta iirc

I am basically -always- going to disappear after I post, as my most-available times to post are right before bed and right before I leave for work. Case in point, I'm responding to what's happened while I was sleeping and will subsequently not be on for a big chunk of time. One of the reasons I play Mafia on f.ds is due to the longer cycles leading to my availability being less of an issue, and if you don't remember times when I've still been prodded / replaced for inactivity issues then we haven't played together enough.

I firmly believe putting Awaclus on L-1 was the right move and I suspect Awaclus would agree with me, actually - a big issue on D1 is generating meaningful interactions. We have 5 IRL days left of D1, and LOOK HOW MUCH CONTENT just got generated over that! We also didn't see a hammer, which if anybody other than you had posted before you did, would have made them feel Towny to me. The fact that you think putting someone at L-1 is scummy, however, makes me consider your response neutral (not scummy - I can see why you particularly, given your meta on this forum, would have felt like this was scummy, but you did just ruin a great opportunity for a newbie scum to stumble into an early hammer).

vote: uncleeurope for basically the same reason LaLight voted for him - not a fan of the not-Doctor claim, as much as I wouldn't be a fan of a Doctor claim here.

I am sincerely sorry, I know about your general availability. It is just putting people to L-1 is really dangerous. I don't know what good would derphammer of a newbie bring. I mean it worked in NM12, but it is not that guaranteed that both lynchee and hammerer are not town. I actually think we need to be more careful concerning this

WCD early hammered on D1 of NM12 and she was town. I know, this is a little different as practically everyone scumread Simon Jester back then, but still

That wasn't an early hammer really, it was < 8 hours before deadline iirc.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #190 on: September 06, 2018, 09:06:12 am »

in case of Eddie it is a gut feel and not liking lying town in any way, WCD seems much more enthusiastical than I remember her to be and also she asked for a coach. Chairs is scummy for putting Awaclus on L-1 and disappearing. Also Raptor is lurking and this is his scum meta iirc

I am basically -always- going to disappear after I post, as my most-available times to post are right before bed and right before I leave for work. Case in point, I'm responding to what's happened while I was sleeping and will subsequently not be on for a big chunk of time. One of the reasons I play Mafia on f.ds is due to the longer cycles leading to my availability being less of an issue, and if you don't remember times when I've still been prodded / replaced for inactivity issues then we haven't played together enough.

I firmly believe putting Awaclus on L-1 was the right move and I suspect Awaclus would agree with me, actually - a big issue on D1 is generating meaningful interactions. We have 5 IRL days left of D1, and LOOK HOW MUCH CONTENT just got generated over that! We also didn't see a hammer, which if anybody other than you had posted before you did, would have made them feel Towny to me. The fact that you think putting someone at L-1 is scummy, however, makes me consider your response neutral (not scummy - I can see why you particularly, given your meta on this forum, would have felt like this was scummy, but you did just ruin a great opportunity for a newbie scum to stumble into an early hammer).

vote: uncleeurope for basically the same reason LaLight voted for him - not a fan of the not-Doctor claim, as much as I wouldn't be a fan of a Doctor claim here.

I am sincerely sorry, I know about your general availability. It is just putting people to L-1 is really dangerous. I don't know what good would derphammer of a newbie bring. I mean it worked in NM12, but it is not that guaranteed that both lynchee and hammerer are not town. I actually think we need to be more careful concerning this

WCD early hammered on D1 of NM12 and she was town. I know, this is a little different as practically everyone scumread Simon Jester back then, but still

That wasn't an early hammer really, it was < 8 hours before deadline iirc.

well, it was sudden
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #191 on: September 06, 2018, 09:07:27 am »

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It seemed to me that you felt obligated (by a need to seem townie perhaps?).
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #192 on: September 06, 2018, 09:08:47 am »

Fixed quote fail

obligated? By who?

It seemed to me that you felt obligated (by a need to seem townie perhaps?).
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #193 on: September 06, 2018, 09:11:33 am »

Fixed quote fail

obligated? By who?

It seemed to me that you felt obligated (by a need to seem townie perhaps?).

I just like to express early reads and interact with as much people as possible :)
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #194 on: September 06, 2018, 09:15:27 am »

Re: Eddie claiming not-Doctor, I can't see how that would be a rational move for scum!Eddie. Of course it's possible he made a mistake, but it doesn't strike me as a nefarious plot.

Yeah, I dunno why a scum would want to abandon the possibility of a future claim that could save his life late game, especially with 2 doctors in this set that helped with counterclaims.

Is it a bad town move? Sure, but a scum move? I feel like you would have to be super passive to make a play like that, and it’s a bad scum move.


Also, what’s this about official nicknames? That’s hilarious, but does seem to be a necessity for this kind of game.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #195 on: September 06, 2018, 09:16:26 am »

Quick thoughts: I don't think chairs putting Awaclus at L-1 is scummy. He was very upfront about it, and it led to someone having to defend themself for the first time this game. I'm still not really happy with Awaclus' reasoning; it seems more incoherent than I'd expect.
Interestingly Awaclus did not make a single post during the time he was at L-1. What defence are you referring to?

I do kind of regret suggesting that Uncleeurope and Hydrad justify or else remove their votes. I was genuinely a bit shocked to encounter an L-1 when I woke up on only my second (real-life) day of forum mafia. Especially as my initial thoughts when reading Hydrad's/LaLight's doctor plan were the same as Hydrad, LaLight, Awaclus and WestCoast. It did seem genius. (It was only while doing some calculations in the shower that I concluded it was a bad plan.)

Unfortunately the only content generated while Awaclus was at L-1 was a lot of posts by LaLight and myself, and then Uncleeurope unvoting. Would have been interesting to hear from more people.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #196 on: September 06, 2018, 09:23:19 am »

I firmly believe putting Awaclus on L-1 was the right move and I suspect Awaclus would agree with me, actually

Sure. Derphammers happen but they didn't this time, so it was fine.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #197 on: September 06, 2018, 09:25:14 am »

in case of Eddie it is a gut feel and not liking lying town in any way, WCD seems much more enthusiastical than I remember her to be and also she asked for a coach. Chairs is scummy for putting Awaclus on L-1 and disappearing. Also Raptor is lurking and this is his scum meta iirc

I am basically -always- going to disappear after I post, as my most-available times to post are right before bed and right before I leave for work. Case in point, I'm responding to what's happened while I was sleeping and will subsequently not be on for a big chunk of time. One of the reasons I play Mafia on f.ds is due to the longer cycles leading to my availability being less of an issue, and if you don't remember times when I've still been prodded / replaced for inactivity issues then we haven't played together enough.

I firmly believe putting Awaclus on L-1 was the right move and I suspect Awaclus would agree with me, actually - a big issue on D1 is generating meaningful interactions. We have 5 IRL days left of D1, and LOOK HOW MUCH CONTENT just got generated over that! We also didn't see a hammer, which if anybody other than you had posted before you did, would have made them feel Towny to me. The fact that you think putting someone at L-1 is scummy, however, makes me consider your response neutral (not scummy - I can see why you particularly, given your meta on this forum, would have felt like this was scummy, but you did just ruin a great opportunity for a newbie scum to stumble into an early hammer).

vote: uncleeurope for basically the same reason LaLight voted for him - not a fan of the not-Doctor claim, as much as I wouldn't be a fan of a Doctor claim here.

I am sincerely sorry, I know about your general availability. It is just putting people to L-1 is really dangerous. I don't know what good would derphammer of a newbie bring. I mean it worked in NM12, but it is not that guaranteed that both lynchee and hammerer are not town. I actually think we need to be more careful concerning this

WCD early hammered on D1 of NM12 and she was town. I know, this is a little different as practically everyone scumread Simon Jester back then, but still

That wasn't an early hammer really, it was < 8 hours before deadline iirc.

well, it was sudden

It was 5 hours before the deadline, and the deadline was going to be at 4 am Central Time, so I couldn't hang around.  In that moment, if I had voted for Phy, Simon (scum) would have hammered him.  Or I could hammer Simon. Or not vote, I guess....and hoped that the people on Phy (who had claimed a PR) would be awake to hammer Simon in the morning. It was way past my bedtime and I wanted to do right by the town. It didn't feel early to me!  But then again, it was my first game ever.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #198 on: September 06, 2018, 09:28:01 am »

Interestingly Awaclus did not make a single post during the time he was at L-1.

Not very interestingly. I went to sleep before chairs voted me and didn't wake up until after Uncleeurope unvoted.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #199 on: September 06, 2018, 09:31:44 am »

I can't say that I have much of a read on Awaclus at all. Mostly because of the non-response to L-1. It seems like some of the folks are relying on his playstyle, which he says is super laid back. So, it makes it even harder to get a read.

Thinking over plans and asking about them in a game with newcomers isn't scummy, its learning. When we played last, there was a lot more overt teaching from some of the vets. That is not happening here (which is fine) but our relative newness does mean that posts like Swan's and Hydrad's are super helpful for thinking about how a particular plan may actually play out. So I am reading all that as neutral.

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #200 on: September 06, 2018, 09:33:43 am »

I can't say that I have much of a read on Awaclus at all. Mostly because of the non-response to L-1. It seems like some of the folks are relying on his playstyle, which he says is super laid back. So, it makes it even harder to get a read.

Thinking over plans and asking about them in a game with newcomers isn't scummy, its learning. When we played last, there was a lot more overt teaching from some of the vets. That is not happening here (which is fine) but our relative newness does mean that posts like Swan's and Hydrad's are super helpful for thinking about how a particular plan may actually play out. So I am reading all that as neutral.

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #201 on: September 06, 2018, 09:39:18 am »

Interestingly Awaclus did not make a single post during the time he was at L-1.

Not very interestingly. I went to sleep before chairs voted me and didn't wake up until after Uncleeurope unvoted.

I meant 'interestingly' in two senses.
1. Interesting that you made no response. You have given a (credible) explanation for that.
2. Interesting that hypercube thought that chairs' L-1 vote "led to someone having to defend themself for the first time this game".

I assume that's just hypercube not noticing the order of events. But interesting that he should use it as justification of chairs' vote like that nonetheless.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #202 on: September 06, 2018, 09:56:00 am »

Interestingly Awaclus did not make a single post during the time he was at L-1.

Not very interestingly. I went to sleep before chairs voted me and didn't wake up until after Uncleeurope unvoted.

I meant 'interestingly' in two senses.
1. Interesting that you made no response. You have given a (credible) explanation for that.
2. Interesting that hypercube thought that chairs' L-1 vote "led to someone having to defend themself for the first time this game".

I assume that's just hypercube not noticing the order of events. But interesting that he should use it as justification of chairs' vote like that nonetheless.

You are correct that I had the order of events backwards in my recollection. I still think it was a good idea to put Awaclus under pressure, so perhaps some of the people who are disappointed by his lack of response could consider voting for him. He is currently at L-3 by my count.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #203 on: September 06, 2018, 09:57:11 am »

Honestly it's not going to put very much pressure on me if I know you're just doing it to get a reaction out of me, not because you really intend to lynch me.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #204 on: September 06, 2018, 09:59:21 am »

Honestly it's not going to put very much pressure on me if I know you're just doing it to get a reaction out of me, not because you really intend to lynch me.

To be clear I would be completely fine with lynching you.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #205 on: September 06, 2018, 10:24:06 am »

Honestly it's not going to put very much pressure on me if I know you're just doing it to get a reaction out of me, not because you really intend to lynch me.

To be clear I would be completely fine with lynching you.

I wouldn't.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #206 on: September 06, 2018, 11:15:40 am »

on break so just a quick post about day1 reads. Especially if mcmc is reading this because I kinda share the opinion of him now. Awaclus probably likes this also? Anyways.

On day 1 I don't know if we should so openly give full read lists. As I think it doesn't help town that much but still can give scum info on who they might wanna nightkill or who they can push to lynch. On day2 and beyond I'm fine with read lists but I now believe they help scum more then town day 1
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #207 on: September 06, 2018, 11:33:36 am »

Sorry for the lurking, first week back to classes.

I don’t like the doctor plan. I think they would be better off choosing at random.

I really don’t like the wagon on Awaclus, I’m assuming there is at least one scum there. Meaning I have the choice between; Uncleeurope, Hydrad, hypercube, DatSwan, chairs.

Uncleeurope unvotes shortly after so I’m removing from the list.

Vote: Chairs

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #208 on: September 06, 2018, 11:34:16 am »

Honestly it's not going to put very much pressure on me if I know you're just doing it to get a reaction out of me, not because you really intend to lynch me.

To be clear I would be completely fine with lynching you.

What makes you want to lynch him so bad?
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #209 on: September 06, 2018, 11:52:59 am »

on break so just a quick post about day1 reads. Especially if mcmc is reading this because I kinda share the opinion of him now. Awaclus probably likes this also? Anyways.

On day 1 I don't know if we should so openly give full read lists. As I think it doesn't help town that much but still can give scum info on who they might wanna nightkill or who they can push to lynch. On day2 and beyond I'm fine with read lists but I now believe they help scum more then town day 1

Even D2 and beyond, I think it's important to at least fabricate some of the crucial reads in your read list. Scum knowing your reads matters the most near the end game, when they're trying to decide who to keep alive for LyLo.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #210 on: September 06, 2018, 01:01:10 pm »

on break so just a quick post about day1 reads. Especially if mcmc is reading this because I kinda share the opinion of him now. Awaclus probably likes this also? Anyways.

On day 1 I don't know if we should so openly give full read lists. As I think it doesn't help town that much but still can give scum info on who they might wanna nightkill or who they can push to lynch. On day2 and beyond I'm fine with read lists but I now believe they help scum more then town day 1

Even D2 and beyond, I think it's important to at least fabricate some of the crucial reads in your read list. Scum knowing your reads matters the most near the end game, when they're trying to decide who to keep alive for LyLo.

Old me would not believe that I would kinda agree with you here. But I'm starting to think your style is better then I first thought.

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #211 on: September 06, 2018, 03:10:42 pm »

Also, I wouldn’t need a coach at all if I was scum because I’d have a partner. In fact, that might be a reason to squint at the newbs who eschewed the opportunity.

WestCoast, are you saying that you would have chosen 'no coach' if you had been scum?
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #212 on: September 06, 2018, 03:56:56 pm »

actually up to 4 places down from themselves. Say, doctors are 1 and 6, then 1 can heal 2,3,4,5 and 6 can heal 7,8,9,10. In no way doctors will choose each other

I like this plan.

Awaclus, how does this plan fit with your playstyle of denying scum as much information as possible?

It doesn't really give scum any information because doctors aren't obliged to follow it.

I've been wondering what to make of this reply...
I'm going to go with: really, in a newbie game, how likely did you think it was that doctors were going to disregard a plan that several veterans said was good? I would guess even most veterans would be unlikely to disregard it. Vote: Awaclus
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #213 on: September 06, 2018, 03:57:43 pm »

Er, L-2 I think, unless I've miscounted.
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« Reply #214 on: September 06, 2018, 03:58:38 pm »

I miscounted. Hydrad had moved his vote off. L-3 then.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #215 on: September 06, 2018, 03:59:22 pm »

Also, I wouldn’t need a coach at all if I was scum because I’d have a partner. In fact, that might be a reason to squint at the newbs who eschewed the opportunity.

WestCoast, are you saying that you would have chosen 'no coach' if you had been scum?

Correct. I don’t know what the point of a coach would be if I had a partner QT to ask questions or strategize. The whole point of me having a coach is not to big down the game with my questions that are basic for Mafia players.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #216 on: September 06, 2018, 04:00:40 pm »

actually up to 4 places down from themselves. Say, doctors are 1 and 6, then 1 can heal 2,3,4,5 and 6 can heal 7,8,9,10. In no way doctors will choose each other

I like this plan.

Awaclus, how does this plan fit with your playstyle of denying scum as much information as possible?

It doesn't really give scum any information because doctors aren't obliged to follow it.

I've been wondering what to make of this reply...
I'm going to go with: really, in a newbie game, how likely did you think it was that doctors were going to disregard a plan that several veterans said was good? I would guess even most veterans would be unlikely to disregard it. Vote: Awaclus

That is a fair point. But I'll also give you a small meta thing for my perspective. If there was one player on this forum that I would list as least likely to follow a plan. It would be awaclus.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #217 on: September 06, 2018, 04:05:17 pm »

Vote Count 1.4

Awaclus (3): hypercube, DatSwan, infangthief
Xxraptorslayer96 (3): Awaclus, Uncleeurope, Hydrad
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #218 on: September 06, 2018, 04:06:37 pm »

Does scum team have a daychat?
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« Reply #219 on: September 06, 2018, 04:07:50 pm »

Mafia does not have daychat.

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #220 on: September 06, 2018, 04:08:54 pm »

Also, I wouldn’t need a coach at all if I was scum because I’d have a partner. In fact, that might be a reason to squint at the newbs who eschewed the opportunity.

WestCoast, are you saying that you would have chosen 'no coach' if you had been scum?

Correct. I don’t know what the point of a coach would be if I had a partner QT to ask questions or strategize. The whole point of me having a coach is not to big down the game with my questions that are basic for Mafia players.

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #221 on: September 06, 2018, 04:18:26 pm »

I've been wondering what to make of this reply...
I'm going to go with: really, in a newbie game, how likely did you think it was that doctors were going to disregard a plan that several veterans said was good? I would guess even most veterans would be unlikely to disregard it. Vote: Awaclus

The plan itself included the notion that doctors could choose to target the towniest person regardless of position.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #222 on: September 06, 2018, 04:22:40 pm »

Also, I wouldn’t need a coach at all if I was scum because I’d have a partner. In fact, that might be a reason to squint at the newbs who eschewed the opportunity.

WestCoast, are you saying that you would have chosen 'no coach' if you had been scum?

Correct. I don’t know what the point of a coach would be if I had a partner QT to ask questions or strategize. The whole point of me having a coach is not to big down the game with my questions that are basic for Mafia players.

This post pings me as a potential scumslip... Can anyone see that?

Ah, I thought they had day chat. This is the level of my knowledge.... :/

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #223 on: September 06, 2018, 04:27:13 pm »

When I read the scum QT from my first game, Mcmc was doing lots of coaching kind of talk with  his scum partner. I thought that’s must have been helpful for the newb and kind of an advantage, so asked for a coach in this game.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #224 on: September 06, 2018, 04:35:51 pm »

Also, I wouldn’t need a coach at all if I was scum because I’d have a partner. In fact, that might be a reason to squint at the newbs who eschewed the opportunity.

WestCoast, are you saying that you would have chosen 'no coach' if you had been scum?

Correct. I don’t know what the point of a coach would be if I had a partner QT to ask questions or strategize. The whole point of me having a coach is not to big down the game with my questions that are basic for Mafia players.

This post pings me as a potential scumslip... Can anyone see that?

Ah, I thought they had day chat. This is the level of my knowledge.... :/

This is not really what I meant...
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #225 on: September 06, 2018, 04:39:38 pm »


This post pings me as a potential scumslip... Can anyone see that?

Ah, I thought they had day chat. This is the level of my knowledge.... :/
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #226 on: September 06, 2018, 05:06:19 pm »

Is it just me, or has Awaclus only been responding to direct attacks against himself? He seems to ignore the other bits of dialogue happening and just respond with defense to his past statements.

I will need to reread later, I just noticed it and wanted to remember I had his thought

Also interesting that raptor has appeared.

This game is weird.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #227 on: September 06, 2018, 05:08:50 pm »


And Chairs dropped in to say he mostly drops out...
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #228 on: September 06, 2018, 05:23:42 pm »

I've been wondering what to make of this reply...
I'm going to go with: really, in a newbie game, how likely did you think it was that doctors were going to disregard a plan that several veterans said was good? I would guess even most veterans would be unlikely to disregard it. Vote: Awaclus

The plan itself included the notion that doctors could choose to target the towniest person regardless of position.

Awaclus, did you deliberately reduce the scope of my quote so that it no longer contained the description of the plan, the one that you said you liked?
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #229 on: September 06, 2018, 05:37:17 pm »

Is it just me, or has Awaclus only been responding to direct attacks against himself? He seems to ignore the other bits of dialogue happening and just respond with defense to his past statements.

Yes.

Awaclus, did you deliberately reduce the scope of my quote so that it no longer contained the description of the plan, the one that you said you liked?

I deliberately reduced the scope of your quote to reduce clutter in the thread.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #230 on: September 06, 2018, 10:00:57 pm »

Also, I wouldn’t need a coach at all if I was scum because I’d have a partner. In fact, that might be a reason to squint at the newbs who eschewed the opportunity.

WestCoast, are you saying that you would have chosen 'no coach' if you had been scum?

Correct. I don’t know what the point of a coach would be if I had a partner QT to ask questions or strategize. The whole point of me having a coach is not to big down the game with my questions that are basic for Mafia players.

This post pings me as a potential scumslip... Can anyone see that?

LL - If you are getting at what I think you are getting at, I would probably drop it. Murky mod-kill waters you may wade into there.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #231 on: September 06, 2018, 10:04:07 pm »

Also, I wouldn’t need a coach at all if I was scum because I’d have a partner. In fact, that might be a reason to squint at the newbs who eschewed the opportunity.

WestCoast, are you saying that you would have chosen 'no coach' if you had been scum?

Correct. I don’t know what the point of a coach would be if I had a partner QT to ask questions or strategize. The whole point of me having a coach is not to big down the game with my questions that are basic for Mafia players.

This post pings me as a potential scumslip... Can anyone see that?

LL - If you are getting at what I think you are getting at, I would probably drop it. Murky mod-kill waters you may wade into there.

Actually scratch that my theory doesn't make sense.
If anything it is a Town Slip. He called it a "Partner QT".
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #232 on: September 06, 2018, 10:06:15 pm »

Is it just me, or has Awaclus only been responding to direct attacks against himself? He seems to ignore the other bits of dialogue happening and just respond with defense to his past statements.

I will need to reread later, I just noticed it and wanted to remember I had his thought

Also interesting that raptor has appeared.

This game is weird.

You should not think Awaclus is skummy for defending themselves without tons of other contribution - they do it both as skum and town. That being said they are also pretty sharp, so you should think they are skummy for not realizing the obvious error in the Doctoring plan.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #233 on: September 07, 2018, 12:14:09 am »

This game is weird.

This mafia in general or this game in particular?
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« Reply #234 on: September 07, 2018, 12:56:57 am »

This specific game. (Or to be fair this forums games, both have been weird)
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #235 on: September 07, 2018, 02:32:03 am »

Whoever is voting chairs for just making it L-1 should probably re consider. That is way too skummy of a vote on day one.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #236 on: September 07, 2018, 03:43:27 am »

Whoever is voting chairs for just making it L-1 should probably re consider. That is way too skummy of a vote on day one.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #237 on: September 07, 2018, 04:02:47 am »

Also, I wouldn’t need a coach at all if I was scum because I’d have a partner. In fact, that might be a reason to squint at the newbs who eschewed the opportunity.

WestCoast, are you saying that you would have chosen 'no coach' if you had been scum?

Correct. I don’t know what the point of a coach would be if I had a partner QT to ask questions or strategize. The whole point of me having a coach is not to big down the game with my questions that are basic for Mafia players.

This post pings me as a potential scumslip... Can anyone see that?

LL - If you are getting at what I think you are getting at, I would probably drop it. Murky mod-kill waters you may wade into there.

Nah, actually I was thinking that WCD knows one of the scums is a vet, as she is so sure someone would coach her in QT
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #238 on: September 07, 2018, 04:03:27 am »

Also, I wouldn’t need a coach at all if I was scum because I’d have a partner. In fact, that might be a reason to squint at the newbs who eschewed the opportunity.

WestCoast, are you saying that you would have chosen 'no coach' if you had been scum?

Correct. I don’t know what the point of a coach would be if I had a partner QT to ask questions or strategize. The whole point of me having a coach is not to big down the game with my questions that are basic for Mafia players.

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Actually scratch that my theory doesn't make sense.
If anything it is a Town Slip. He called it a "Partner QT".

She :) Why is "Partner QT" a townslip?
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #239 on: September 07, 2018, 05:00:48 am »

You should not think Awaclus is skummy for defending themselves without tons of other contribution - they do it both as skum and town. That being said they are also pretty sharp, so you should think they are skummy for not realizing the obvious error in the Doctoring plan.

I did not think the Doctoring plan had an obvious error (but then I'm a newbie; I guess you're saying that sharp Awaclus should have noticed obvious flaws at once - I can't be sure, maybe it is scummy).

What I do find scummy is that Awaclus is now pretending that he liked a slightly different plan than the one he said he liked.
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actually up to 4 places down from themselves. Say, doctors are 1 and 6, then 1 can heal 2,3,4,5 and 6 can heal 7,8,9,10. In no way doctors will choose each other

I like this plan.

#221:
The plan itself included the notion that doctors could choose to target the towniest person regardless of position.

Yes, LaLight had indeed been advocating a softer version in which doctors wouldn't necessarily choose from the expected pool (#119, #123).
But it appeared that Hydrad (#116), Awaclus (#121) and WestCoast (#124) were all for going with the simple version of the plan. And no comment yet from newbies Eddie, hypercube, Raptor (newish?) and myself all rather likely to go along with it...

So why didn't Awaclus at some point say "guys, this plan gives too much info to scum, we need to go with the softer version". Because now he is claiming that the softer plan is what he was liking all along.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #240 on: September 07, 2018, 06:17:18 am »

I’m about to fall asleep, just wanted to pop in and say I want to vote: Awaclus just due to his overall behavior and reactions to everything going around, people keep sticking up for him saying he plays like this all the time but I just... I dunno.

I’m not sure if I am willing to commit to it fully yet, though.

Oh whoops, I did it already. Goodnight, guys.
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« Reply #241 on: September 07, 2018, 06:30:09 am »

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« Reply #242 on: September 07, 2018, 06:31:39 am »

Hi infang! How's the weather where you've been?
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« Reply #243 on: September 07, 2018, 06:32:00 am »

I don't think I'll move from Eddie. He's just overly scummy
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« Reply #244 on: September 07, 2018, 06:35:08 am »

Hi infang! How's the weather where you've been?
Bit of rain yesterday evening, fine again today. Does it come across that obviously in my play style?
Hoping to go to the seaside tomorrow.
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« Reply #245 on: September 07, 2018, 06:35:57 am »


And Chairs dropped in to say he mostly drops out...
Yes, and he didn't even answer my question while he was in. But then I guess there was about a whole page of posts for him to process.
I think I get where he's coming from, but I still find him a bit scummy. Seems unlikely to be both him and Awaclus, however.

Can I ask a further question about your coach choice? You say you wouldn't have opted for a coach if you were scum; what about if you were scum along with another newbie?
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« Reply #246 on: September 07, 2018, 06:38:16 am »

what about if you were scum along with another newbie?

You caught a scumslip I was talking about!
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« Reply #247 on: September 07, 2018, 06:38:53 am »

Hi infang! How's the weather where you've been?
Bit of rain yesterday evening, fine again today. Does it come across that obviously in my play style?
Hoping to go to the seaside tomorrow.

No, I just like the fact we're both online. I like to speak with people real time when playing Mafia and most active people are usually sleeping when I'm online
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« Reply #248 on: September 07, 2018, 06:41:41 am »

what about if you were scum along with another newbie?

You caught a scumslip I was talking about!
I don't think there was a scumslip. Seemed like a very townie response to me.
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« Reply #249 on: September 07, 2018, 06:49:01 am »

Hi infang! How's the weather where you've been?
Bit of rain yesterday evening, fine again today. Does it come across that obviously in my play style?
Hoping to go to the seaside tomorrow.

No, I just like the fact we're both online. I like to speak with people real time when playing Mafia and most active people are usually sleeping when I'm online
Seems like a few Europeans in the game - Awaclus and hypercube too. And I was assuming Uncleeurope was, you know, with the name and everything. But he's just off to sleep (with an L-2 on Awaclus thrown in for good measure), so slightly less likely.
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« Reply #250 on: September 07, 2018, 07:03:39 am »

what about if you were scum along with another newbie?

You caught a scumslip I was talking about!
I don't think there was a scumslip. Seemed like a very townie response to me.

Supertownie, that's me! So far my meta is that she is super townie.

Definitely not a scumslip. I hadn't thought much about if I had been scum and it had been with another newb that I might have still wanted a coach. That scenario (coach and partner) seems really complicated to me to manage (I am usually doing this on my phone so having many tabs open is hard). I have been a coach advocate since the idea was introduced. I was basing that desire off of the conversations the scum had in the previous game, which were really helpful for me to read in retrospect. As far as my coach, I like having a question-answerer and I am also liking getting to know someone in this community a little bit better without having to be suspicious of him. Iguanaiguana knows stuff, is awesome, and likes cats.

Awaclus....I can't say that I find him scummy one way or another, but I don't find him at all helpful. Which is not awesome. My vote is still on Chairs, based on his first post when he called us all scummy, which was sort of randomly assigned since it was really early on, but he has done nothing to cause me to move it. He is also not helpful. Not helpful is as close to scummy as it gets.

I find Swan helpful. LL somewhat helpful. Eddie and Fang helpful. That makes them townie for me.

Hyper, Raptor, and Hydrad....don't know.

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« Reply #251 on: September 07, 2018, 07:07:59 am »

what about if you were scum along with another newbie?

You caught a scumslip I was talking about!
I don't think there was a scumslip. Seemed like a very townie response to me.

Supertownie, that's me! So far my meta is that she is super townie.

Definitely not a scumslip. I hadn't thought much about if I had been scum and it had been with another newb that I might have still wanted a coach. That scenario (coach and partner) seems really complicated to me to manage (I am usually doing this on my phone so having many tabs open is hard). I have been a coach advocate since the idea was introduced. I was basing that desire off of the conversations the scum had in the previous game, which were really helpful for me to read in retrospect. As far as my coach, I like having a question-answerer and I am also liking getting to know someone in this community a little bit better without having to be suspicious of him. Iguanaiguana knows stuff, is awesome, and likes cats.

Awaclus....I can't say that I find him scummy one way or another, but I don't find him at all helpful. Which is not awesome. My vote is still on Chairs, based on his first post when he called us all scummy, which was sort of randomly assigned since it was really early on, but he has done nothing to cause me to move it. He is also not helpful. Not helpful is as close to scummy as it gets.

I find Swan helpful. LL somewhat helpful. Eddie and Fang helpful. That makes them townie for me.

Hyper, Raptor, and Hydrad....don't know.

Why did you change the stance on Hydrad? You called him helpful and townie as well for the doctors' plan

How is Eddie helpful?

I love cats too. I am working part time in cat caffee - the place where we take cats from shelters to get people to know them and then give them to people free of charge. I have 2 cats from it myself. So cat adorer detected!
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« Reply #252 on: September 07, 2018, 07:29:04 am »

Iguanas are herbivorous, so I think it is unlikely that they like cats.
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« Reply #253 on: September 07, 2018, 07:36:54 am »

But while we're on the subject of animals...
DS can I sheep you please (not right now though)
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« Reply #254 on: September 07, 2018, 07:42:13 am »

But while we're on the subject of animals...
DS can I sheep you please (not right now though)
sheep?

Follow like a sheep. This is helpful for the words http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16266.0
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« Reply #255 on: September 07, 2018, 07:50:54 am »


Why did you change the stance on Hydrad? You called him helpful and townie as well for the doctors' plan

How is Eddie helpful?

I love cats too. I am working part time in cat caffee - the place where we take cats from shelters to get people to know them and then give them to people free of charge. I have 2 cats from it myself. So cat adorer detected!

A cat cafe! That is awesome! Those are just starting to be a thing here. One opened in Austin recently. My cats are orange boys...Scott and Brad. We are going out of town this weekend so they are currently pissed at us and sleeping just out of petting reach next to me on the couch.

I had forgotten that Hydrad had been helpful earlier. (It is still the wee hours of the morning here and the coffee is still brewing). I don't have a bad feeling about him, I just don't have much feeling about him at all.  Which means he hasn't been around much lately. So, I think my sense of helpfulness also includes engagement.

I keep waffling on Awaclus. He confuses me and seems so cagey. And I get that is how he plays, but I also am not sure how we are supposed to work together with that communication style.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #256 on: September 07, 2018, 07:51:23 am »

Iguanas are herbivorous, so I think it is unlikely that they like cats.

I don't think he eats them. But that is just a guess.
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« Reply #257 on: September 07, 2018, 07:57:18 am »

But while we're on the subject of animals...
DS can I sheep you please (not right now though)
sheep?

Follow like a sheep. This is helpful for the words http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16266.0
Thank you. It says "When a player votes for or argues against a player based on another players content."

So, LaLight, I would be interested to know why your vote is not in the same place as DatSwan's.
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« Reply #258 on: September 07, 2018, 08:00:22 am »

That being said they are also pretty sharp, so you should think they are skummy for not realizing the obvious error in the Doctoring plan.

I maintain that there is nothing wrong with the Doctoring plan.

So why didn't Awaclus at some point say "guys, this plan gives too much info to scum, we need to go with the softer version". Because now he is claiming that the softer plan is what he was liking all along.

LaLight had already said the softer version out loud at that point. It's not productive to repeat to scum over and over again how the doctors are going to trick them by agreeing to a plan they're not going to follow, that defeats the entire purpose of the plan.

Seems unlikely to be both him and Awaclus, however.

Very unlikely that the scum is both me and chairs. The chances are 0%.
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« Reply #259 on: September 07, 2018, 08:03:54 am »

But while we're on the subject of animals...
DS can I sheep you please (not right now though)
sheep?

Follow like a sheep. This is helpful for the words http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16266.0
Thank you. It says "When a player votes for or argues against a player based on another players content."

So, LaLight, I would be interested to know why your vote is not in the same place as DatSwan's.

I formed some reads since then. Initially when I said that, DS was on Awaclus and it was L-1, so this would be a lynch. Since then, as I pointed out numerous times, I started scumreading Eddie.

Also, DS didn't say yes
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« Reply #260 on: September 07, 2018, 08:36:35 am »

Thanks LaLight, just wanted to know the status of your sheep arrangement.

Your cat work sounds cool too. Is it difficult to limit yourself to not having too many cats yourself?

I think I'm ready to move on to Eddie now.
- 'Medium' percentage chance of lying as town? Unhelpful, a bit scummy.
- Saying he likes 'this Thief fellow' (buddying?) and later moving his vote the same way as mine? A bit scummy.
- Finding it difficult to work out how to react to things? Ok, I know the forum and it's 'meta' are unfamiliar territory for him, but really he just seems overly concerned about 'reacting properly'.

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« Reply #261 on: September 07, 2018, 08:47:55 am »

Your cat work sounds cool too. Is it difficult to limit yourself to not having too many cats yourself?

I have an arrangement with my wife in which I will be allowed to take more cats if I buy a bigger house.

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« Reply #262 on: September 07, 2018, 08:53:25 am »

Vote Count 1.5

Awaclus (3): hypercube, DatSwan, Uncleeurope
Xxraptorslayer96 (2): Awaclus, Hydrad
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #263 on: September 07, 2018, 08:57:00 am »



Very unlikely that the scum is both me and chairs. The chances are 0%.

Why is that? Just because you are not scum?
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« Reply #264 on: September 07, 2018, 08:58:44 am »

Your cat work sounds cool too. Is it difficult to limit yourself to not having too many cats yourself?

I have an arrangement with my wife in which I will be allowed to take more cats if I buy a bigger house.

vote count please

That is an excellent arrangement. I figure if I ever lose my taste for cities and move to the country, I can get a barn and all the cats!
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« Reply #265 on: September 07, 2018, 08:59:19 am »

Awaclus, how do you feel about cats?
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« Reply #266 on: September 07, 2018, 10:40:13 am »

Why is that? Just because you are not scum?

Yes.

Awaclus, how do you feel about cats?

Cats are fine, but I'm more of a tarantula person when it comes to pets and I'm not really even that much of a pet person in the first place (i.e. I don't have a tarantula).
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« Reply #267 on: September 07, 2018, 11:04:41 am »

I'm expecting to be a lot less active over the next couple of days, though I'll still try and check in from time to time.
I think I'm happy with my vote on Uncleeurope, but could probably be interested by other cases.
Should be a bit more available again from about Monday 3am forum time (i.e. 15 hours before the deadline).
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« Reply #268 on: September 07, 2018, 11:05:16 am »

I'm expecting to be a lot less active over the next couple of days, though I'll still try and check in from time to time.
I think I'm happy with my vote on Uncleeurope, but could probably be interested by other cases.

Ditto
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« Reply #269 on: September 07, 2018, 11:05:52 am »

I am always vla on weekends. I should probably put it into the sig now when I made it shorter
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« Reply #270 on: September 07, 2018, 11:23:00 am »


Cats are fine, but I'm more of a tarantula person when it comes to pets and I'm not really even that much of a pet person in the first place (i.e. I don't have a tarantula).

Well, they are furry, I guess. So somewhat more snuggly than a fish.

LL,, you have an orange kitty, too!!  I love it!
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #271 on: September 07, 2018, 11:25:03 am »

I'll try to reread UncleEddie today.

I wonder if the people who have been scarce this week might be able to weigh in this weekend.
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« Reply #272 on: September 07, 2018, 11:29:23 am »

vote: Eddie. I think he has an above-average chance of being scum. However, if he is town, by claiming VT he made it easier for scum to find the doctors and therefore he would be the least-bad mislynch.
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« Reply #273 on: September 07, 2018, 12:52:48 pm »

So, that L-2.

I’m not reading Eddie as scummy.

But Hyper is making a different argument...that Eddie is a safer kill than other town folk.  Is that good enough? We still have lots of time.

I’m curious what others think...
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« Reply #274 on: September 07, 2018, 01:49:26 pm »

Regarding me being about to die, I would like to reiterate how the whole Doctor bit from the beginning followed by me claiming #NotaDoctor is not something a sane scum would do. (Or at least something I wouldn't do, a whole lot of information that gives you, I just gave subjective facts about myself, good job me, 10/10 defense)

I play a lot of these games IRL and negative information is a key component in all of them, eliminating options for the future in a way that has no guarantee to actually be helpful is foolish. Scum would want to hold into a scenario where you all think they are a doctor until challenged, I offered it willingly, because I was trying to clarify something to town. Information I found important. (It was stupid, though, Eddie. I mean, come on) Shut up.

Basically, while all of these actions could have been taken by scum, they would be bad, but taken by ton, they are slightly less bad. (But still bad) You're not helping.

Regarding me buddying Thief, fair. I have a problem with that, I always need friends in these games, so I do that a lot as both town and scum. (More subjective facts, stop it, Eddie, surely you got something better...) Also ironic that I am concerned with WCD's friendship of me...

I am kind of concerned about the ramifications of my death. When I flip town (Good job Eddie, tell the world that scenario with so much authority that it must be true, I'm sure they'll believe you) people might start targeting LL and I don't distrust the guy, I just think he is taking this gut reaction thing a bit too far.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Cube's point is slightly moot because hopefully Docs would claim before death, so anyone dying during a lynch would be pretty much scum or NT. Therefor any day lynches are "safe." But, hey, I am definitely the best townie to lynch right now. What a cheerful thought.

Okay, I'm done with the "trying and failing to explainify why I am a good guy" portion of the show. Because these bits hardly matter, don't they?

On to Awaclus, he seems completely uninterested in the voting process, just chilling with Raptor not even talking about other options, he is only in self-preservation mode. That's why I voted for him, he seems unconcerned with controlling the voting in any way, like he plans to just follow the voting around until a decision is made for him. Not a usual town behavior in my experience. (I thought you were done defending yourself?)

For this post?

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #275 on: September 07, 2018, 01:58:12 pm »


Regarding me buddying Thief, fair. I have a problem with that, I always need friends in these games, so I do that a lot as both town and scum. (More subjective facts, stop it, Eddie, surely you got something better...) Also ironic that I am concerned with WCD's friendship of me...


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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #276 on: September 07, 2018, 02:12:14 pm »

So, that L-2.

I’m not reading Eddie as scummy.

But Hyper is making a different argument...that Eddie is a safer kill than other town folk.  Is that good enough? We still have lots of time.

I’m curious what others think...

i would say if you had 2 people both 40% sure you were scum but one claimed vt and one had not claimed yet I would pick the vt claim every time. even if the non claimed guy was at 45% I would still probably do vt so that scum can't find the doctors easier.

That being said. Its not to the point where just because someone claims vt we should auto lynch. I don't feel that great about the Eddie lynch atm.

Partly with his recent big post feels a bit more likely to come from town I think.
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« Reply #277 on: September 07, 2018, 02:20:52 pm »

On to Awaclus, he seems completely uninterested in the voting process, just chilling with Raptor not even talking about other options, he is only in self-preservation mode. That's why I voted for him, he seems unconcerned with controlling the voting in any way, like he plans to just follow the voting around until a decision is made for him. Not a usual town behavior in my experience. (I thought you were done defending yourself?)

I can't really do anything useful besides defending myself while there's all this support for the wagon on me. As it stands, scum doesn't have to care about any attacks I make in their direction, because getting me mislynched is their easiest way to deal with that issue.

As far as "controlling the voting" is concerned, that's not really important for town in the early game, because realistically we don't have any idea who is scum or not. The important thing is to try to get some information out of the scum team, so that we actually have something to go by in the late game.
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« Reply #278 on: September 07, 2018, 04:03:25 pm »

Whoever is voting chairs for just making it L-1 should probably re consider. That is way too skummy of a vote on day one.
Is that what is known as WIFOM?
Putting someone at L-1 seems scummy, so surely scum wouldn't do it, so anyone who does it must be town, ha that's what they want me to think, but they might think that I'd think that, but I don't, so maybe I will...

Nah more of a risk reward thing. Most the time there is a mislynch day 1. No reason for skum to pressure push it and come ou looking skummy.
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« Reply #279 on: September 07, 2018, 06:27:32 pm »

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« Reply #280 on: September 07, 2018, 06:36:34 pm »

vote: Eddie. I think he has an above-average chance of being scum. However, if he is town, by claiming VT he made it easier for scum to find the doctors and therefore he would be the least-bad mislynch.

The more I look at this the more it bothers me, resigning yourself to a mislynch, even with your statement about me being above average, all seems suspiciously like a way to justify a vote while not committing to it fully.

"Yeah, it might be a mislynch, but whatever, amirite?"

Cube, Raptor, and Awaclus are all looking strange to me, but ima switch away from Awaclus if you guys aren't feelin' my suspicion.

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #281 on: September 07, 2018, 06:46:50 pm »

Vote: Eddie
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« Reply #282 on: September 07, 2018, 06:48:08 pm »

L-1 ^^
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #283 on: September 07, 2018, 09:55:30 pm »

Little early to be so close to hammer yeah?

I don't see how claiming would be good here. Either VT or Doc gets claimed. Doc claim could lead to a lot of sticky situations:

1) They are doc and get lynched anyways
2) They are skum and get lynched anyways (great)
3) They are skum and do not get lynched, they will probably draw a doc shot at night to be wasted.
4) They are town and do not get lynched, and that opens up complicated CC situations.


anyone read the situation differently?
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« Reply #284 on: September 07, 2018, 10:42:09 pm »


CC?
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« Reply #285 on: September 07, 2018, 10:44:19 pm »

Oh, counter-claim, right?
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« Reply #286 on: September 07, 2018, 11:17:54 pm »

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« Reply #287 on: September 08, 2018, 12:06:05 am »

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« Reply #288 on: September 08, 2018, 01:48:37 am »

Hi folks sorry I’ve been out. I worked last night (hosting karaoke) and I’m out of town this weekend to visit my fiancée. Will post meaningful content soon

No problem.

Looks like the games stalling out a bit as we hit the weekend.

I'll say this. I totally just had an urge to hammer Eddie with no warning. But then I realized that doesn't even really help the stalling part as the day just ends. So there goes my plan. It would have been fun though.
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« Reply #289 on: September 08, 2018, 01:53:43 am »

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« Reply #290 on: September 08, 2018, 02:02:18 am »

The thing I find a little unsettling about the Eddie wagon at the moment is that it mostly consists of the people I've been scumreading.
Chairs and hypercube, and then I've been on and off about Awaclus.

You know I can just imagine we have one coaching session going on where WestCoast and iguana are talking about cats... and another coaching session going on where hypercube and faust are talking about who to consider night-killing...
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #291 on: September 08, 2018, 02:47:05 am »

And another thing that makes me a bit uneasy is that I think if Eddie flips as Town, then we don't get an awful lot of information from the wagon - he feels like an 'easy' person to justify voting for.
Eg hypercube went for an argument along the lines of 'not very useful to town'. (And I was including a bit of that in my reasoning too.)

But an 'easy' wagon is both:
easy for scum to join without so much suspicion.
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« Reply #292 on: September 08, 2018, 04:47:54 am »

And another thing that makes me a bit uneasy is that I think if Eddie flips as Town, then we don't get an awful lot of information from the wagon - he feels like an 'easy' person to justify voting for.
Eg hypercube went for an argument along the lines of 'not very useful to town'. (And I was including a bit of that in my reasoning too.)

But an 'easy' wagon is both:
easy for scum to join without so much suspicion.
easy for the wagon to reach a lynch without scum lifting a finger.

Would you agree, hypercube?

Then why not unvote? You seem to be very unsettled.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #293 on: September 08, 2018, 05:34:34 am »

Wow I’m really behind. Going to try and read up tonight but it’s also 2:30 am my time so I don’t think I’ll get a meaning full post out.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #294 on: September 08, 2018, 05:47:29 am »

You know I can just imagine we have one coaching session going on where WestCoast and iguana are talking about cats... and another coaching session going on where hypercube and faust are talking about who to consider night-killing...

There hasn't been a lot going on in my coaching session. faust doesn't think it'd be fair for him to help me with reads (which is reasonable), so it's just for more general questions.

And another thing that makes me a bit uneasy is that I think if Eddie flips as Town, then we don't get an awful lot of information from the wagon - he feels like an 'easy' person to justify voting for.
Eg hypercube went for an argument along the lines of 'not very useful to town'. (And I was including a bit of that in my reasoning too.)

But an 'easy' wagon is both:
easy for scum to join without so much suspicion.
easy for the wagon to reach a lynch without scum lifting a finger.

Would you agree, hypercube?

I think Eddie is an easy lynch mostly because he's done a few fairly scummy things. The fact that he has a lot of votes on him right now could just mean that town broadly scumreads him.

Certainly the Awaclus wagon was harder to push, which is the main reason I remain suspicious of him. I'd be fine with a Raptor lynch as well, but we'd get less information from that.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #295 on: September 08, 2018, 08:27:39 am »

Certainly the Awaclus wagon was harder to push, which is the main reason I remain suspicious of him.

It was so hard to push that you only got me to L-1.
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« Reply #296 on: September 08, 2018, 08:42:36 am »

vote: hypercube the awaclus wagon was not hard to push at all

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« Reply #297 on: September 08, 2018, 10:41:00 am »

Shortly after chairs put Awaclus at L-1, Infang suggested the RVS voters leave the wagon, at which point the pressure on Awaclus basically dissipated. I was surprised that three votes moved off of Awaclus after that, despite him not giving much of a response. The wagon seemed to be harder to push as there was more of a case against Awaclus, which seemed odd to me.

Awaclus, how does this plan fit with your playstyle of denying scum as much information as possible?

It doesn't really give scum any information because doctors aren't obliged to follow it.

This was the only thing Awaclus posted between chairs putting Awaclus to L-1 and chairs moving his vote to Eddie (putting Awaclus at L-3). chairs, I'm curious as to why you found this convincing?
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« Reply #298 on: September 08, 2018, 11:14:43 am »

The thing I find a little unsettling about the Eddie wagon at the moment is that it mostly consists of the people I've been scumreading.
Chairs and hypercube, and then I've been on and off about Awaclus.

You know I can just imagine we have one coaching session going on where WestCoast and iguana are talking about cats... and another coaching session going on where hypercube and faust are talking about who to consider night-killing...

All this! This is my issue with the Eddie wagon as well. I didn’t find the doctor not a doctor particularly damning, although I can be convinced that he is scummy for other reasons in addition to that. But the Awa (who voted but didn’t say why) and Chairs votes, along with Hyper, are folks we haven’t heard much from. I’m also trusting LL when he says he has bad reads. A quick hammer would be super scummy, so I hope someone moves their vote for now.

Hyper’s experience with his coach matches mine. I’m voicing thoughts about my reads and iguana proves my thinking and process, and provides info about meta (is Awa always so cagey? Yes!) but isn’t telling me what he would do or what he thinks I should do, or how he reads the situation. Also, cats. And if Hyper hasn’t asked Faust about pets, he should. Awa’s tarantula preference is the most I’ve learned about him this game.

I’m interested to hear what Raptor and Chairs are thinking since they’ve been less engaged.

Also, I’m visiting friends in DC this weekend so I’ll be LA. Please don’t hammer until Monday!
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« Reply #299 on: September 08, 2018, 11:28:36 am »

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« Reply #300 on: September 08, 2018, 11:57:09 am »

Mostly thinking I hate day 1 and that I’m eager to Lynch someone.

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« Reply #301 on: September 08, 2018, 12:08:55 pm »

I wasn't feeling incredibly confident about where my vote is so I did a quick reread of Eddie in this game vs. Eddie in NM12 (where he was town). Eddie in NM12 was significantly more confident and engaged in scumhunting. In this game we get a lot more self-conscious asides like this:

(It was stupid, though, Eddie. I mean, come on)

I would characterize Eddie's tone in this game as anxious. Notably at post #170, where he seems insistent on dismissing people's scumreads of him despite the fact that no-one was actually voting for him at that point.

1. I am not a doctor, I use the phrase "Trust me I'm a _____ Doctor" a lot IRL (pulled it from a video where guy explained something that made no sense and his evidence for trusting him was to trust him because he was a math doctor, despite math being barely related). I realize this makes no sense and is a weird coincidence, but there ya go.

...

2. Honestly, medium likelyhood, but it hasn't happened yet. #NotaDoctor

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4. Yeah, sorry about that, I have been told that people get used to me, I have also been told to expect to die a lot because of it. If it makes you feel better I only lie when I can perceive some gain from it.

Then LL votes for him and he acts like he's at L-1 instead of L-5.

Sigh... There is no way to react to this properly, but whatever, digging my own grave is something I am accustomed to.

I think a VT would be less concerned with their own survival, especially when they don't actually have a wagon on them. So, I'm happy with my vote where it is.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #302 on: September 08, 2018, 12:58:02 pm »


In NM12, did he ever have votes in him? I don’t recall him being targeted at all so he never had to defend himself.

But not saying he’s not scum, just that this might be a new situation for him as opposed to last time.
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« Reply #303 on: September 08, 2018, 01:06:14 pm »

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« Reply #304 on: September 08, 2018, 01:06:38 pm »

He was at L-2 for a while mid-D1.
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« Reply #305 on: September 08, 2018, 01:49:17 pm »

I wasn't feeling incredibly confident about where my vote is so I did a quick reread of Eddie in this game vs. Eddie in NM12 (where he was town). Eddie in NM12 was significantly more confident and engaged in scumhunting. In this game we get a lot more self-conscious asides like this:

(It was stupid, though, Eddie. I mean, come on)

I would characterize Eddie's tone in this game as anxious. Notably at post #170, where he seems insistent on dismissing people's scumreads of him despite the fact that no-one was actually voting for him at that point.

1. I am not a doctor, I use the phrase "Trust me I'm a _____ Doctor" a lot IRL (pulled it from a video where guy explained something that made no sense and his evidence for trusting him was to trust him because he was a math doctor, despite math being barely related). I realize this makes no sense and is a weird coincidence, but there ya go.

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2. Honestly, medium likelyhood, but it hasn't happened yet. #NotaDoctor

...

4. Yeah, sorry about that, I have been told that people get used to me, I have also been told to expect to die a lot because of it. If it makes you feel better I only lie when I can perceive some gain from it.

Then LL votes for him and he acts like he's at L-1 instead of L-5.

Sigh... There is no way to react to this properly, but whatever, digging my own grave is something I am accustomed to.

I think a VT would be less concerned with their own survival, especially when they don't actually have a wagon on them. So, I'm happy with my vote where it is.

These reads are fair, and I like them a lot better than your previous post regarding me.


Also WCD, I was voted for last game, and I reacted very differently. I actually am uncertain as to why I reacted differently, myself.

My best guess is that in that other game I didn't find it likely I would be trageted, this game I found (find) it more likely. I dunno. Fair criticism.

I will go back to Vote: Raptor I guess.

He claims he will say something substantive eventually, I am curious when he plans on doing so, because it hasn't happened yet.

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« Reply #306 on: September 08, 2018, 02:04:37 pm »

vote: westcoastdidds let people defend their own selves

Good point. I’m a team player and thinking town team comes easier to me, but the only way to know people is to hear them. Apologies.
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« Reply #307 on: September 08, 2018, 03:38:28 pm »

DatSwan questioned the wisdom of putting Eddie at L-1:
Little early to be so close to hammer yeah?

I don't see how claiming would be good here. Either VT or Doc gets claimed. Doc claim could lead to a lot of sticky situations:

1) They are doc and get lynched anyways
2) They are skum and get lynched anyways (great)
3) They are skum and do not get lynched, they will probably draw a doc shot at night to be wasted.
4) They are town and do not get lynched, and that opens up complicated CC situations.


anyone read the situation differently?
Yes, I read the situation very differently:

1. I am not a doctor

Uncleeurope (may I call you Eddie?) could you give us a percentage chance of how likely you are to lie as town in this particular game?

2. Honestly, medium likelyhood, but it hasn't happened yet. #NotaDoctor

I think, after that, if Eddie, at L-1, were to claim to be a doctor, the appropriate response would be to Laugh And Lynch. We could call it LAL, right?
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #308 on: September 08, 2018, 03:52:31 pm »

Checking in. I don’t think Eddie’s response was too townie, but chairs voting for WCD is just terrible. How about vote: chairs after all

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #309 on: September 08, 2018, 03:53:22 pm »

I have a more serious response to DatSwan also.

I think you are correct about sticky claim situations, but:
Little early to be so close to hammer yeah?
When would you rather deal with sticky claim situations? Just before the deadline?

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #310 on: September 08, 2018, 04:23:21 pm »

And another thing that makes me a bit uneasy is that I think if Eddie flips as Town, then we don't get an awful lot of information from the wagon - he feels like an 'easy' person to justify voting for.
Eg hypercube went for an argument along the lines of 'not very useful to town'. (And I was including a bit of that in my reasoning too.)

But an 'easy' wagon is both:
easy for scum to join without so much suspicion.
easy for the wagon to reach a lynch without scum lifting a finger.

Would you agree, hypercube?

Then why not unvote? You seem to be very unsettled.

I did consider unvoting, but there seemed to be plenty of good reasons to keep my vote there. Here are the ones that I feel able to share at the moment:
1. My main reason for voting Eddie in the first place was for his scumminess.
2. I think I have more reasons for thinking Eddie is scum than the ones I put in the post where I voted for him.
3. Even though Eddie flipping as town might not be hugely informative, if he flips as scum, that would be hugely informative (as well as just generally good).
4. L-1 probably provokes better reactions from other players.
5. My reads of people are highly likely to change, including the scummy ones that were on the Eddie wagon.
6. I definitely prefer an Eddie lynch to a no-lynch, and it seems like 6 out of 10 players agreeing on a day 1 lynch might be tricky (I don't really know, though, this being my first game).
7. I think I am naturally over-cautious, so should make a determined effort sometimes to throw caution to the wind, otherwise I'd never get anywhere.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #311 on: September 08, 2018, 04:57:34 pm »

And another thing that makes me a bit uneasy is that I think if Eddie flips as Town, then we don't get an awful lot of information from the wagon - he feels like an 'easy' person to justify voting for.
Eg hypercube went for an argument along the lines of 'not very useful to town'. (And I was including a bit of that in my reasoning too.)

But an 'easy' wagon is both:
easy for scum to join without so much suspicion.
easy for the wagon to reach a lynch without scum lifting a finger.

Would you agree, hypercube?

Then why not unvote? You seem to be very unsettled.

I did consider unvoting, but there seemed to be plenty of good reasons to keep my vote there. Here are the ones that I feel able to share at the moment:
1. My main reason for voting Eddie in the first place was for his scumminess.
2. I think I have more reasons for thinking Eddie is scum than the ones I put in the post where I voted for him.
3. Even though Eddie flipping as town might not be hugely informative, if he flips as scum, that would be hugely informative (as well as just generally good).
4. L-1 probably provokes better reactions from other players.
5. My reads of people are highly likely to change, including the scummy ones that were on the Eddie wagon.
6. I definitely prefer an Eddie lynch to a no-lynch, and it seems like 6 out of 10 players agreeing on a day 1 lynch might be tricky (I don't really know, though, this being my first game).
7. I think I am naturally over-cautious, so should make a determined effort sometimes to throw caution to the wind, otherwise I'd never get anywhere.

These are pretty good points.

I will answer your 6.

I have yet to ever see a no-lynch on day 1 from what I remember.

This forum believes day 1 lynch is much better then no lynch so the discussion never even happens if we should no lynch.

Really the only time we no-lynch is when we get to 4 people left 1 scum, and we sometimes let a no lynch go through to try to get it with just 3 people left to have better odds in finding scum.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #312 on: September 08, 2018, 06:50:18 pm »

I have a more serious response to DatSwan also.

I think you are correct about sticky claim situations, but:
Little early to be so close to hammer yeah?
When would you rather deal with sticky claim situations? Just before the deadline?

PPE: 1

Kind of. I mean, I get your point, but the worse situation than having a claim at DL would be having a claim "at DL minus the perfect amount of time for skum to mess with shit". Since we were approaching the weekend, I thought it would be safe to point out the downsides.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #313 on: September 08, 2018, 07:45:50 pm »


So many cocktails...not thinking super clear. But it seems like Monday is not too close to deadline since DL is later Monday.

Sadz that weekends are LA for most.

No lynch sucks. Not gonna happen, amirite?
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #314 on: September 08, 2018, 08:30:36 pm »


So many cocktails...not thinking super clear. But it seems like Monday is not too close to deadline since DL is later Monday.

Sadz that weekends are LA for most.

No lynch sucks. Not gonna happen, amirite?

It would be a first for me on this site.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #315 on: September 09, 2018, 03:31:29 am »

Hi chairs, when you're next online, could you answer a question for me:
Did you intend to incite an Awaclus wagon with your very first post in this game?
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #316 on: September 09, 2018, 07:40:11 am »

Vote Count 1.8

Awaclus (1): DatSwan
Xxraptorslayer96 (2): Hydrad, Uncleeurope
WestCoastDidds (1): chairs
chairs (3): WestCoastDidds, Xxraptorslayer96, LaLight
Uncleeurope (3): infangthief, hypercube, Awaclus

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« Reply #317 on: September 09, 2018, 09:11:39 am »

Hi chairs, when you're next online, could you answer a question for me:
Did you intend to incite an Awaclus wagon with your very first post in this game?

I did not.

Also, vote: uncleeurope

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #318 on: September 09, 2018, 09:16:13 am »

Hi chairs, when you're next online, could you answer a question for me:
Did you intend to incite an Awaclus wagon with your very first post in this game?

I did not.

But the fact that the wagon on Awaclus then formed was something that worked out quite well for you, would you say?
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #319 on: September 09, 2018, 09:28:25 am »

Eddie, I know this was a couple of days ago, so things may have changed, but I found this thoughtstream very strange:

5. Chairs seems reeeeaal iffy to me right now... If only he would respond after signing someone away to death. I don't want to vote for him though, I feel like swinging from one wagon to another has no benefits. <snip>

I honestly don't know who to vote for,

Vote: Raptor

I will stick with that until I don't.

You thought chairs was real iffy, but voted for Raptor with no reason?
Since then you've done a bit of moving your vote around (not sure I can quite accuse it of the wagon-swinging you said you wouldn't do), but the bit I find intriguing is that you've never put your vote on chairs. Who was real iffy. What's going on?
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #320 on: September 09, 2018, 09:29:51 am »

Hi chairs, when you're next online, could you answer a question for me:
Did you intend to incite an Awaclus wagon with your very first post in this game?

I did not.

But the fact that the wagon on Awaclus then formed was something that worked out quite well for you, would you say?

In that it kickstarted discussion on D1 in a way that this forum sometimes lacks? Yes.

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« Reply #321 on: September 09, 2018, 09:30:09 am »

Lol autocorrect PPE 1

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #322 on: September 09, 2018, 09:36:05 am »

Hi chairs, when you're next online, could you answer a question for me:
Did you intend to incite an Awaclus wagon with your very first post in this game?

I did not.

But the fact that the wagon on Awaclus then formed was something that worked out quite well for you, would you say?

In that it kickstarted discussion on D1 in a way that this forum sometimes lacks? Yes.

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Thank you chairs, good answer, I think.
I'm going to persist a bit longer though...
Is there another possible outcome that could have happened from that Awaclus wagon that would also have suited you quite well?
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #323 on: September 09, 2018, 09:46:41 am »

Hi chairs, when you're next online, could you answer a question for me:
Did you intend to incite an Awaclus wagon with your very first post in this game?

I did not.

But the fact that the wagon on Awaclus then formed was something that worked out quite well for you, would you say?

In that it kickstarted discussion on D1 in a way that this forum sometimes lacks? Yes.

Poe: q
Thank you chairs, good answer, I think.
I'm going to persist a bit longer though...
Is there another possible outcome that could have happened from that Awaclus wagon that would also have suited you quite well?

Hmm. Scum quick hammering awaclus or awaclus getting hammered and being scum would have been nice outcomes. All in all though those are unrealistic for most games so I’m happy with how things panned out.

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« Reply #324 on: September 09, 2018, 10:14:41 am »

Hi chairs, when you're next online, could you answer a question for me:
Did you intend to incite an Awaclus wagon with your very first post in this game?

I did not.

But the fact that the wagon on Awaclus then formed was something that worked out quite well for you, would you say?

In that it kickstarted discussion on D1 in a way that this forum sometimes lacks? Yes.

Poe: q
Thank you chairs, good answer, I think.
I'm going to persist a bit longer though...
Is there another possible outcome that could have happened from that Awaclus wagon that would also have suited you quite well?

Hmm. Scum quick hammering awaclus or awaclus getting hammered and being scum would have been nice outcomes. All in all though those are unrealistic for most games so I’m happy with how things panned out.

So you're saying that Awaclus getting quick-hammered (within 36 hours of game start), and then flipping as town, would have been one of the nice outcomes that would have suited you quite well?
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #325 on: September 09, 2018, 12:11:40 pm »

Eddie, I know this was a couple of days ago, so things may have changed, but I found this thoughtstream very strange:

5. Chairs seems reeeeaal iffy to me right now... If only he would respond after signing someone away to death. I don't want to vote for him though, I feel like swinging from one wagon to another has no benefits. <snip>

I honestly don't know who to vote for,

Vote: Raptor

I will stick with that until I don't.

You thought chairs was real iffy, but voted for Raptor with no reason?
Since then you've done a bit of moving your vote around (not sure I can quite accuse it of the wagon-swinging you said you wouldn't do), but the bit I find intriguing is that you've never put your vote on chairs. Who was real iffy. What's going on?

Well, I did have a reason, you just snipped it. Raptor hadn’t said anything. I even explained my vote further a few posts down where I was hoping to force him to post by putting pressure on him (even if it was only a little pressure)

Me not voting for chairs is because I was “iffy,” which is me-talk for inconclusive evidence. I honestly think his Awaclus L-1 is more of a town thing to do than scum overall.

The reason Raptor still has my vote is he still hasn’t said anything significant despite having opportunity to. His posts have a strong “yeah, guys, I’m totally here and participating” vibe to them.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #326 on: September 09, 2018, 12:53:53 pm »

I will be active at deadline. Let’s not no lynch
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #327 on: September 09, 2018, 01:07:26 pm »

I'll also be around tomorrow before deadline. We seem to be in a decent place regarding wagon consolidation, although I'm curious if DatSwan plans on voting for someone other than Awaclus. chairs seems pretty towny to me, I'm not planning on voting for him.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #328 on: September 09, 2018, 01:25:36 pm »

Well, I did have a reason, you just snipped it. Raptor hadn’t said anything.

Ah, truly sorry, I missed the reason. It was in the paragraph that began about chairs and I missed the fact that you moved on to Raptor later in the paragraph.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #329 on: September 09, 2018, 01:40:41 pm »

I think I'll be around for deadline?

I'll at least be around for tomorrow for a bit.

All in all though I think I'm pretty satisfied with my vote on raptor right now.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #330 on: September 09, 2018, 02:02:54 pm »

Hi chairs, when you're next online, could you answer a question for me:
Did you intend to incite an Awaclus wagon with your very first post in this game?

I did not.

But the fact that the wagon on Awaclus then formed was something that worked out quite well for you, would you say?

In that it kickstarted discussion on D1 in a way that this forum sometimes lacks? Yes.

Poe: q
Thank you chairs, good answer, I think.
I'm going to persist a bit longer though...
Is there another possible outcome that could have happened from that Awaclus wagon that would also have suited you quite well?

Hmm. Scum quick hammering awaclus or awaclus getting hammered and being scum would have been nice outcomes. All in all though those are unrealistic for most games so I’m happy with how things panned out.

So you're saying that Awaclus getting quick-hammered (within 36 hours of game start), and then flipping as town, would have been one of the nice outcomes that would have suited you quite well?

Yes - I don’t care for awaclus’s meta at all and a li feel like lynching him d1 is the best way to avoid the argument every day about whether we lynch him, which is what most games I’ve played with him end up doing. I also think it would have exposed a mafia member

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #331 on: September 09, 2018, 02:21:49 pm »

My least helpful list is Raptor, Chairs, and Awa.

I’m def against no lynch and will head in raptors direction (I’m currently on Chairs) if he continues to be elusive.

I’ll be chilling in the airport tomorrow, so somewhat available until I’m flying.
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« Reply #332 on: September 09, 2018, 02:26:25 pm »

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #333 on: September 09, 2018, 03:25:11 pm »

Tomorrow (deadline day), I will be available until about 7 hours before the deadline. After that I may have some availability, but I cannot guarantee it. I certainly won't be on at the deadline itself.
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« Reply #334 on: September 09, 2018, 04:20:33 pm »

Fang, is your vote where you want it?
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #335 on: September 09, 2018, 07:27:41 pm »

Apologies - There are a lot of new players and I have not mentioned it this game - Weekends are essentially almost VLA for me most of the time in regards to content. I have a chance to keep up, but feedback is limited until Sunday evening normally.

That being said - I still think the Raptor wagon is weak af, so I have been doing read through's on those who are on him.

Let's start with the skummiest of my current vibes - Hydrad:

Hydrad:

1) This is them bringing up the doctoring claim idea, directly after they say they don't see a point in looking into it at this stage of the game.

hmm. Actually I can think of a way to make sure they don't target each other. We could do something like doctor chooses to heal someone either 1/2 or 3 spots below them on the signup list. The doctor gets to choose what number to use so that way if scum kill gets blocked they don't know what one was the doctor. But it also means that doctors won't be able to both target each other.

I actually kinda like that idea now that I'm thinking about it.


2) Promoting the idea again. Also, adding in the point that the doctors need to target exactly each other seems like a skum mindset.

but this actually saves us from the case when 2 doctors heal each other which is, well, unlikely. One can still heal the other and we'll have effectively 1 heal that night in this case. Better than 0, but still... I think healing whoever seems townier is a better choice

you have to remember the a doctor can still heal another doctor. its just both doctors can't heal each other.

So we don't even lose a heal in that scenario. The only way we lose a heal is if doctors both heal the same target if we do the 1-4 way.



3) Summary of the below - Hydrad points out that if it the sign up order has all doctors and all skum within the same 4 in a row (it could actually be 5 together, just to be clear), that Skum would not in fact gain any information. This is false - by setting the rules forward that contain the cops to the pools of 4 underneath they get the reverse logic to narrow the pool - also, there is the fact that this set up COULD happen, and then Skum would have (in this particularly small chanced world) less information then they normally would.... orrrrr we just do random and there are no odds. Which is what he ended up conceding to.

I'm fine with random if thats how we want it. But I would like to point out your theory has some flaws about how it can work.

I'll just make a super basic setup.

1. doc
2. doc
3. vt
4. vt
5. vt
6. vt
7. vt
8. vt
9. scum
10. scum

so in this scum could pick numbers 5-8. lynch 7. cop 6 and kill 8.


From here, it could go down a few ways:
a) NK target dies, Cop result is a VT - Skum now has learned Doctor is either Player 1 or Player 10. Bad for us.
b) NK target lives, Cop result is a VT - Skum now has learned a Doctor must exist within Player 1 or Player 10. They don't get the kill, but still worse then random.
c) NK target dies, Cop result is a Doctor - Skum gets a kill and knows who one of the Doctors are. Worse case scenario for us.
d) NK target lives, Cop result is a Doctor - Skum doesn't get a kill, but finds the Doctor. Worse than random.



4) Why post this? I have thought about it and I cannot see how putting this out there would "help" skum. Only thing I could think of was maybe the lack of stated reads/stating you may lie about your reads early on could be used later in the game. Still though, def would assume reads lists are more valuable to skum then not having them. So, I guess this is townish?

on break so just a quick post about day1 reads. Especially if mcmc is reading this because I kinda share the opinion of him now. Awaclus probably likes this also? Anyways.

On day 1 I don't know if we should so openly give full read lists. As I think it doesn't help town that much but still can give scum info on who they might wanna nightkill or who they can push to lynch. On day2 and beyond I'm fine with read lists but I now believe they help scum more then town day 1




5) Agrees with Awaclus about reads list thing... and then votes Raptor for either no reason or something I am not getting.

on break so just a quick post about day1 reads. Especially if mcmc is reading this because I kinda share the opinion of him now. Awaclus probably likes this also? Anyways.

On day 1 I don't know if we should so openly give full read lists. As I think it doesn't help town that much but still can give scum info on who they might wanna nightkill or who they can push to lynch. On day2 and beyond I'm fine with read lists but I now believe they help scum more then town day 1

Even D2 and beyond, I think it's important to at least fabricate some of the crucial reads in your read list. Scum knowing your reads matters the most near the end game, when they're trying to decide who to keep alive for LyLo.

Old me would not believe that I would kinda agree with you here. But I'm starting to think your style is better then I first thought.

Vote: raptor


Town Points:
- Effort put into the plan and the logic behind the reasoning of it.
- I guess pointing out the thing about reads lists early in the game.

Skum Points:
- All the doctoring plan stuff - Brought it up, obviously thought it through, then in the end just admits "oh yeah random would be better".
- The Raptor vote.
- Also, there is just something about their general need to appeal to other players this game that is throwing me off.

Vote: Hydrad
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #336 on: September 09, 2018, 08:16:09 pm »

LaLaight:

1) This is within minutes of LL's first meaningful post in the game (#109, LL's 11th in the game).In the post they point out that it is L-3 instead of L-2, because they thought there were 9 players in the game and not 10. This pings me as a potential slip. Reasoning, is a little weak, but also IDK how you would miss there are 10 players. Most slips are normally noticed in a more complex fashion, but I have found generally in regards to VCA - specifically when players mess up on the math because they are thinking as they would when talking in their Skum QT instead of in the forum. Example: In a 10 player game skum is going to plan stuff based on an 8 player pool of choices (10 players minus 2 skum). To lynch out of 8, you need 5.
That being said, he could of also just made a mistake about the setup I guess.

Everyone seems so nice....it’s hard to wrap my mind around the fact that two of you are plotting to kill us! Gads!
woah I had no idea there is a word "gad" in english. In Russian it means "a very bad guy" as well. This is awesome.
Also I'm russian for those of you who doesn't know or who cares. My english is good but sometimes I struggle with exact thoughts to express.
Also there is 10 players, I was sure it's 9. This means Awaclus is only on L-3


2) LL coming up with the 4 person down correction to the plan. Then pointing out that BOTH docs have to hit each other to negate the action. This is towny. There had been no time passed yet, so to say at this point they hadn't thought it all the way through to the downsides and were just brainstorming in the moment is kind of a concept I am comfortable believing.

actually up to 4 places down from themselves. Say, doctors are 1 and 6, then 1 can heal 2,3,4,5 and 6 can heal 7,8,9,10. In no way doctors will choose each other
but this actually saves us from the case when 2 doctors heal each other which is, well, unlikely. One can still heal the other and we'll have effectively 1 heal that night in this case. Better than 0, but still... I think healing whoever seems townier is a better choice



3) The first part here is whatever - either an excuse or genuine. The second part I take as townish though. I would expect most people to act the way Awaclus did to my accusation about those that were on board with the plan. LL instead points out that they disagree it makes everyone that had something to do with the plan skum. This is less defensive to self, and more it seems to come from what a town mindset would be as town that had just been contributing to the idea and believes others could be doing the same. I also still think there is skum on the agree wagon for the plan though.

Oh, i was just glad there was a plan. I am a really bad setup speculator and usually i leave it to smarter people, thanks Swan

I don’t agree this plan makes half the game scum


5) Follows up a skum read list of Eddie, Chairs, and Thief and includes Raptor "because lurking is his skum meta". IDK if LL has only played with Raptor or not, but Raptor just lurks in general, not as a specific faction. He is also, because of this plus his newness, a great mislynch target for skum to randomly throw in the pool early on.

in case of Eddie it is a gut feel and not liking lying town in any way, WCD seems much more enthusiastical than I remember her to be and also she asked for a coach. Chairs is scummy for putting Awaclus on L-1 and disappearing. Also Raptor is lurking and this is his scum meta iirc


4) This is kind of skummy. LL is listed on the town block and then asks for skum reads. Creates great range if LL is skum when gathered with other read information.

I can't say that I have much of a read on Awaclus at all. Mostly because of the non-response to L-1. It seems like some of the folks are relying on his playstyle, which he says is super laid back. So, it makes it even harder to get a read.

Thinking over plans and asking about them in a game with newcomers isn't scummy, its learning. When we played last, there was a lot more overt teaching from some of the vets. That is not happening here (which is fine) but our relative newness does mean that posts like Swan's and Hydrad's are super helpful for thinking about how a particular plan may actually play out. So I am reading all that as neutral.

My townie thoughts right now are Eddie, Fang, LL, and Hydrad.

Who is scummy in your book?



6) Potentially could matter later after flips - Goes Chairs over Raptor when Raptor is already on Chairs and Chairs is not on Raptor - putting Raptor at L-2 and Chairs at L-3.

Checking in. I don’t think Eddie’s response was too townie, but chairs voting for WCD is just terrible. How about vote: chairs after all


Town Points:
- Content regarding the Doctor Plan def could be from a town PoV
- Defending the block of players regarding the doctor plan instead of just self

Skum Points:
- First post potential slip (maybe... lets say like half a point)
- Asking for the skum reads from a new player after they put them on their town block


I want to say that their inflated post count due to random converstaional stuff is skummy... but it isn't. LL just kind of does that a lot. I have seen the same play style from them as all three (skum, town, and SK).
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #337 on: September 09, 2018, 08:36:59 pm »

WCD:

1) WCD bringing up the doctoring plan. No idea if this is meant as helpful or if it is skummy. They are new, so I wanna lean helpful... however the inception of the idea is skummy.

So, Eddie's nod to doctoring suggests that we might want to think some about how the Docs work since if they seek to protect one another, they nullify their power, right? Without actually outing the Docs, obvi.

Or is it too soon to think about that? (Full disclosure: I work from home on Wednesdays so I have more time today than I will later in the week and as a result, I'm thinking more now than I will have time to think later. Which means it's totally okay to tell me to slow my roll.)


2) This is the "skum slip" post. Point to be made here - did role pms go out and then the new players got to opt in/out on a coach, or did they have to decide before they knew their alignment? Important because if anyone is potentially reading this as a slip... if they had to choose to have a coach or not FIRST, then there is no way that this is a slip.


Good morning!  I’ve got to get to work and teach a couple of classes but I’ll have a minute after that to catch up.

I appreciate infang, hydrad, and swan laying out pros and cons of having a plan. I’m cool with no plan or a plan or whatever. It just seemed notable that the town PR canceled each other and wondered if coordination was necessary. But I’m compelled that the chances of that are minimal, at least for the time being.

LL, if I’m reading scummy, that is 100% one of your previously noted off reads. I was more enthusiastic yesterday than the last time I played because, we’ll, last time I didn’t know the game had started because newb. This time I knew it was time to go!

You’ll laugh when you read my coaching qt. It has questions like “what is copped?” I’m hoping the coach will help make me more savvy. Also, I wouldn’t need a coach at all if I was scum because I’d have a partner. In fact, that might be a reason to squint at the newbs who eschewed the opportunity.



3) To note the Town Block

My townie thoughts right now are Eddie, Fang, LL, and Hydrad.



4) When I was new a mistake I made as skum, or maybe not a mistake... but it was def my mindset... was to ensure I included a partner in my reads in case I flipped. Means nothing right now, but should be noted.

what about if you were scum along with another newbie?

You caught a scumslip I was talking about!
I don't think there was a scumslip. Seemed like a very townie response to me.

Supertownie, that's me! So far my meta is that she is super townie.

Definitely not a scumslip. I hadn't thought much about if I had been scum and it had been with another newb that I might have still wanted a coach. That scenario (coach and partner) seems really complicated to me to manage (I am usually doing this on my phone so having many tabs open is hard). I have been a coach advocate since the idea was introduced. I was basing that desire off of the conversations the scum had in the previous game, which were really helpful for me to read in retrospect. As far as my coach, I like having a question-answerer and I am also liking getting to know someone in this community a little bit better without having to be suspicious of him. Iguanaiguana knows stuff, is awesome, and likes cats.

Awaclus....I can't say that I find him scummy one way or another, but I don't find him at all helpful. Which is not awesome. My vote is still on Chairs, based on his first post when he called us all scummy, which was sort of randomly assigned since it was really early on, but he has done nothing to cause me to move it. He is also not helpful. Not helpful is as close to scummy as it gets.

I find Swan helpful. LL somewhat helpful. Eddie and Fang helpful. That makes them townie for me.

Hyper, Raptor, and Hydrad....don't know.

Then recently there is just asking fang if they like there vote where it is and calling out not active players... which is whatever.

No points needed. Not looking here today, nor do I believe anyone else is.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #338 on: September 09, 2018, 08:41:02 pm »

so yeah. I would still prefer Awaclus, but Hydrad would be my second.
Just so it is said - not a fan of no-lynch.
If I cannot rally support for Awaclus or Hydrad I will vote towards the end of DL on Chairs/Raptor/Eddie if those are still the only viable wagons.

Also, for the new players, when we get close to deadline, it is generally a favorable idea to state what your availability will be at that point.

I will be here for the 6ish hours up to deadline.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #339 on: September 09, 2018, 09:28:07 pm »

If I have done my time maths correctly I should be available right around the deadline, and probably for a few hours before.

If Awa, or Raptor die I would be fine with it.

Also fine with Hydrad now that Swan brought him up again. Went and reread his stuff and it is semi-contentless.

I also get paranoid when people trust me. It makes me nervous.

Well, I would like one of those guys to die, but am also willing to throw someone else into the fire if need be. No-lynching is not an option.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #340 on: September 09, 2018, 09:43:00 pm »


Thanks, Swan, for the time and effort. I’ll read in the morning when I’m a bit more focused.

I don’t think Awa is a bad choice, but Chairs still seems not helpful, too.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #341 on: September 10, 2018, 02:43:05 am »

Vote Count 1.9

Xxraptorslayer96 (2): Hydrad, Uncleeurope
Hydrad (1): DatSwan
chairs (3): WestCoastDidds, Xxraptorslayer96, LaLight
Uncleeurope (4): infangthief, hypercube, Awaclus, chairs

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #342 on: September 10, 2018, 03:05:11 am »

right, LaLight's coming to the rescue
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #343 on: September 10, 2018, 03:08:34 am »

hmmmm I don't really want to vote for Eddie rn, though I will if it comes to it. Also I don't want to vote for Raptor for obvious reasons
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« Reply #344 on: September 10, 2018, 03:09:41 am »

deadline is at 1am my time... I will try to be there
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #345 on: September 10, 2018, 03:10:12 am »

chairs is where I'm at, but I would be open for hypercube
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #347 on: September 10, 2018, 03:12:03 am »

how is confusing number of players a scumslip? I played some newbie games, both here and not here and they always had 9 players. I also reread NM8 lately, it had 9 as well as silver as a mod. I'm just curious
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #348 on: September 10, 2018, 03:14:38 am »

Morning LaLight, morning all. Lynch day?
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #349 on: September 10, 2018, 03:14:59 am »

4) This is kind of skummy. LL is listed on the town block and then asks for skum reads. Creates great range if LL is skum when gathered with other read information.

I can't say that I have much of a read on Awaclus at all. Mostly because of the non-response to L-1. It seems like some of the folks are relying on his playstyle, which he says is super laid back. So, it makes it even harder to get a read.

Thinking over plans and asking about them in a game with newcomers isn't scummy, its learning. When we played last, there was a lot more overt teaching from some of the vets. That is not happening here (which is fine) but our relative newness does mean that posts like Swan's and Hydrad's are super helpful for thinking about how a particular plan may actually play out. So I am reading all that as neutral.

My townie thoughts right now are Eddie, Fang, LL, and Hydrad.

Who is scummy in your book?

The reason I asked was that scum!newbies who know the alignment of other people usually tend to read a lot of people as towns, because they know this is correct and the feel more safe about it. So when a person has a lot of townreads D1, this is suspicious.

Moreover, I didn't even see I am there if you're willing to believe me
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #350 on: September 10, 2018, 03:16:04 am »

I've got a long post I'd like to make about chairs, but I don't want to interrupt your train of thought.
Let me know when you're ready for it.  :)
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #351 on: September 10, 2018, 03:17:18 am »

Morning LaLight, morning all. Lynch day?

Morning. Yeah!
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #352 on: September 10, 2018, 03:19:13 am »

I've got a long post I'd like to make about chairs, but I don't want to interrupt your train of thought.
Let me know when you're ready for it.  :)

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #353 on: September 10, 2018, 03:24:26 am »

I've got a long post I'd like to make about chairs, but I don't want to interrupt your train of thought.
Let me know when you're ready for it.  :)

do it whenever you want, my train of thought is uninterraptorable
I see what you did there and I'm intrigued, anyway, I'll get on with my chairs post.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #354 on: September 10, 2018, 03:24:56 am »

So chairs and I exchanged a few questions and answers yesterday. And reflecting on it afterwards, I think that my final response to him was an outrageous suggestion based on some flawed reasoning. So I was intending to come on here and apologise for twisting his words and being rather provocative really...

But then he responded to that outrageous suggestion in an unexpected way, which made me go away and think a bit.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #355 on: September 10, 2018, 03:32:34 am »

In his last response to me, chairs actually agreed with my outrageous suggestion!!
I mean, what, wait a minute, let me read that again:

So you're saying that Awaclus getting quick-hammered (within 36 hours of game start), and then flipping as town, would have been one of the nice outcomes that would have suited you quite well?

Yes - I don’t care for awaclus’s meta at all and a li feel like lynching him d1 is the best way to avoid the argument every day about whether we lynch him, which is what most games I’ve played with him end up doing. I also think it would have exposed a mafia member

So chairs is agreeing with my suggestion that he thinks town!Awaclus being mis-lynched early on day 1 would have been an outcome that suited him quite well. That is an outrageous suggestion he has just agreed to. I mean, surely you only want to see a town member lynched if you actually think that player is detrimental and a liability to the town effort.

The reasons he gives are:
Town1. He wants to avoid having an argument every day about whether or not to lynch Awaclus.
Town2. He thinks if town!Awaclus had been hammered then the hammerer would probably have been scum.

Reason 2 here seems reasonable, and consistent with what chairs said a while back.
Reason 1 (the primary reason?) just seems really weak.

Now let's consider things from a scum!chairs perspective. The reasons are far stronger:

Scum1. Awaclus (and maybe DatSwan) are probably the biggest dangers to the scum team* (unless Awa/DS are scum themselves of course). So lynching Awaclus or DatSwan is a priority for scum!chairs. And veteran chairs knows that Awaclus' playstyle will likely make some of us newbies to want to vote for him.

Scum2. If town!Awaclus had been hammered, then the biggest suspicion would have fallen on the hammerer (at least, chairs has said that's what he thinks would happen). Scum!chairs knows of course that the hammerer would be town. Two town lynches, great.

Scum3. Scum!chairs knows that an early day 1 hammer means the doctors have very little material on which to base their reads. Doctors having good reads seems pretty important to town's effort in this set-up.

In conclusion:
chairs says that an early day 1 Awaclus mis-lynch would have been nice.
Town!chairs has some pretty weak reasons for wanting an early day 1 Awaclus mis-lynch.
Scum!chairs has some pretty powerful reasons for wanting an early day 1 Awaclus mis-lynch.


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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #356 on: September 10, 2018, 03:35:45 am »

Fang, is your vote where you want it?

No, no it isn't.

vote: chairs

It is now.

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #357 on: September 10, 2018, 03:48:02 am »

As an example of how the scum!chairs reasons are stronger than the town!chairs reasons, consider the second town reason against the second scum reason.

At first glance it might appear that these are kind of equal strength. Either way, chairs would push hard for a day 2 lynch on whoever quick-hammerred town!Awaclus.
But here's the difference:
town!chairs hopes that the hammerer is scum.
scum!chairs knows that the hammerer is town.

I know that we're talking about a hypothetical situation here, because no-one did actually hammer Awaclus, and we don't even know for sure if Awa is town.
But the point is that chairs has said that he would have been totally ok with town!Awaclus being hammered.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #358 on: September 10, 2018, 03:50:07 am »

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #359 on: September 10, 2018, 04:41:44 am »

That being said - I still think the Raptor wagon is weak af, so I have been doing read through's on those who are on him.

I'm curious about your reasoning here: do you not like the wagon because you're reading Raptor as town, or because you don't like the people on it?
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #360 on: September 10, 2018, 04:58:53 am »

Who is scummy in your book?

The reason I asked was that scum!newbies who know the alignment of other people usually tend to read a lot of people as towns, because they know this is correct and the feel more safe about it. So when a person has a lot of townreads D1, this is suspicious.

This is one way that Simon was caught out in NM12, so it seems worthwhile in a newbie game especially. Did WCD ever answer the original question?
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #361 on: September 10, 2018, 05:04:32 am »

Who is scummy in your book?

The reason I asked was that scum!newbies who know the alignment of other people usually tend to read a lot of people as towns, because they know this is correct and the feel more safe about it. So when a person has a lot of townreads D1, this is suspicious.

This is one way that Simon was caught out in NM12, so it seems worthwhile in a newbie game especially. Did WCD ever answer the original question?

No
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #362 on: September 10, 2018, 05:06:44 am »

Scum!chairs knows of course that the hammerer would be town. Two town lynches, great.

How does scum!chairs know this?

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my reads are usually wrong
I'm not the strongest players so scum usually don't night kill me

I'm not sure that this is what we should be basing our judgments of the veteran players abilities on. Hydrad's post in particular seemed somewhat tongue-in-cheek.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #363 on: September 10, 2018, 05:11:57 am »

I don't like DatSwan's reads. He particularly takes the most active players and bases his reads on them, this seems ike an easy things to do. Especially given that some of the reads are really stretched.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #364 on: September 10, 2018, 05:12:36 am »

I don't like DatSwan's reads. He particularly takes the most active players and bases his reads on them, this seems ike an easy things to do. Especially given that some of the reads are really stretched.

In other words OMGUS
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #365 on: September 10, 2018, 05:17:59 am »

Scum!chairs knows of course that the hammerer would be town. Two town lynches, great.

How does scum!chairs know this?
Are you suggesting that scum!chairs puts someone at L-1 at the start of day 1, and then his scum partner comes along and hammers? scum!chairs would be livid, surely. I don't think even a newbie scum player would hammer in that situation.
I mean, what would scum!chairs have to say at the start of day 2? "No, I don't think that hammer was suspicious. And no you shouldn't suspect the L-1 guy either."

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #366 on: September 10, 2018, 05:30:14 am »

Are you suggesting that scum!chairs puts someone at L-1 at the start of day 1, and then his scum partner comes along and hammers? scum!chairs would be livid, surely. I don't think even a newbie scum player would hammer in that situation.
I mean, what would scum!chairs have to say at the start of day 2? "No, I don't think that hammer was suspicious. And no you shouldn't suspect the L-1 guy either."

PPE: 2

I think scum hammering in that situation would be pretty stupid, but town hammering there would be possibly even worse, so I don't think you can discount either situation.

Ultimately I think your reasoning boils down to "Awaclus did something scummy and chairs voted for him, so let's lynch chairs." If someone is going to get lynched based on Awaclus' play I would rather it be Awaclus.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #367 on: September 10, 2018, 05:40:08 am »

Are you suggesting that scum!chairs puts someone at L-1 at the start of day 1, and then his scum partner comes along and hammers? scum!chairs would be livid, surely. I don't think even a newbie scum player would hammer in that situation.
I mean, what would scum!chairs have to say at the start of day 2? "No, I don't think that hammer was suspicious. And no you shouldn't suspect the L-1 guy either."

PPE: 2

I think scum hammering in that situation would be pretty stupid, but town hammering there would be possibly even worse, so I don't think you can discount either situation.

Scum hammering in that situation would be pretty stupid, but town hammering there would be great (for scum!chairs). Remember, we are considering scum!chairs perspective here.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #368 on: September 10, 2018, 05:45:34 am »

*Footnote:
If you don't agree that Awa/DS are probably the biggest threats to scum!chairs, consider how the other two veterans (LaLight and Hydrad) introduced themselves:
my reads are usually wrong
I'm not the strongest players so scum usually don't night kill me

I'm not sure that this is what we should be basing our judgments of the veteran players abilities on. Hydrad's post in particular seemed somewhat tongue-in-cheek.

Yeh, ok, I shouldn't be doing that. I thought quoting from what people said of themselves was a way I would hopefully not cause offence.

I'll take the other approach and say that from what I've read of Awaclus, here and in other mafia games on this forum, he sounds dangerous to scum. Seems like he is unhelpful all round, and then there comes a point in the game where he springs out of nowhere to lynch scum accurately.
So, yeh I'm not saying Awaclus is a better player than LL or Hydrad, just more feared by scum, which is different, I think.

Anyway, I suppose the vets themselves will know who they least like to be up against when they're scum.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #369 on: September 10, 2018, 05:48:55 am »

Are you suggesting that scum!chairs puts someone at L-1 at the start of day 1, and then his scum partner comes along and hammers? scum!chairs would be livid, surely. I don't think even a newbie scum player would hammer in that situation.
I mean, what would scum!chairs have to say at the start of day 2? "No, I don't think that hammer was suspicious. And no you shouldn't suspect the L-1 guy either."

PPE: 2

I think scum hammering in that situation would be pretty stupid, but town hammering there would be possibly even worse, so I don't think you can discount either situation.

Scum hammering in that situation would be pretty stupid, but town hammering there would be great (for scum!chairs). Remember, we are considering scum!chairs perspective here.

Right, I'm just saying that since it's obviously bad for town to hammer there it's unlikely for that to happen.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #370 on: September 10, 2018, 06:12:30 am »

Are you suggesting that scum!chairs puts someone at L-1 at the start of day 1, and then his scum partner comes along and hammers? scum!chairs would be livid, surely. I don't think even a newbie scum player would hammer in that situation.
I mean, what would scum!chairs have to say at the start of day 2? "No, I don't think that hammer was suspicious. And no you shouldn't suspect the L-1 guy either."

PPE: 2

I think scum hammering in that situation would be pretty stupid, but town hammering there would be possibly even worse, so I don't think you can discount either situation.

Scum hammering in that situation would be pretty stupid, but town hammering there would be great (for scum!chairs). Remember, we are considering scum!chairs perspective here.

Right, I'm just saying that since it's obviously bad for town to hammer there it's unlikely for that to happen.

So if a hammer had happened, you would be pretty convinced that the hammerer was scum. Yes, that is a valid position to hold I think, fine. Good point.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #371 on: September 10, 2018, 06:30:33 am »

I think I can boil my chairs argument down to this:

From chairs' response, I read his position as: he would have liked an Awaclus hammer to have happened early day 1, especially if it was by scum, but would have been fine also with a town hammer.
It is the bit about him also being fine with a town hammer that makes me think he's scum.

(Note: There are other reads and stuff going on too, relating to chairs, separate from this argument.)
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #372 on: September 10, 2018, 06:40:22 am »

Actually, the other part to my chairs argument is this: his play so far makes total sense from a scum point of view. This bit:

Scum1. Awaclus (and maybe DatSwan) are probably the biggest dangers to the scum team* (unless Awa/DS are scum themselves of course). So lynching Awaclus or DatSwan is a priority for scum!chairs. And veteran chairs knows that Awaclus' playstyle will likely make some of us newbies to want to vote for him.

Scum2. If town!Awaclus had been hammered, then the biggest suspicion would have fallen on the hammerer (at least, chairs has said that's what he thinks would happen). Scum!chairs knows of course that the hammerer would be town. Two town lynches, great.

Scum3. Scum!chairs knows that an early day 1 hammer means the doctors have very little material on which to base their reads. Doctors having good reads seems pretty important to town's effort in this set-up.

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #373 on: September 10, 2018, 06:59:06 am »

Who is scummy in your book?

The reason I asked was that scum!newbies who know the alignment of other people usually tend to read a lot of people as towns, because they know this is correct and the feel more safe about it. So when a person has a lot of townreads D1, this is suspicious.

This is one way that Simon was caught out in NM12, so it seems worthwhile in a newbie game especially. Did WCD ever answer the original question?

No

I did, but it took me a while longer to work out (Chairs, Awa, Raptor). I had taken Lalight’s question as something for me to think about and then share, not to answer right away. My vote has actually not moved at all since I first cast it, so I haven’t been swinging around wildly. Rather, I’ve been trying to be meticulous and read carefully to try to sort out what is actually useful and what just seems to be helpful, but isn’t.

When I hammered Simon in NM12, it was between him and Phy. Phy has said very little that was useful (ala Awa), Simon has said a ton of stuff that was seemingly useful but wasn’t really (like a scum read on me for not knowing the game had started). Then his L-1 response was all “sigh...yeah, well...” and all the seemingly useful stuff unraveled. But it wasn’t until that last post that he went from not really helpful to scummy in my read. So, that’s a long way of saying that I think I read town faster than scum but in my (very) limited experience when I finally do get a scum read, it’s been accurate. I was intent to hammer the other scum in that game, too, when UoS cane over the top and dropped it.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #374 on: September 10, 2018, 07:10:24 am »

Awaclus (1): DatSwan
Xxraptorslayer96 (2): Hydrad, Uncleeurope
WestCoastDidds (1): chairs
chairs (4): WestCoastDidds, Xxraptorslayer96, LaLight, infangthief
Uncleeurope (2): hypercube, Awaclus

So this is where we're at now
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #375 on: September 10, 2018, 07:12:17 am »

Are you suggesting that scum!chairs puts someone at L-1 at the start of day 1, and then his scum partner comes along and hammers? scum!chairs would be livid, surely. I don't think even a newbie scum player would hammer in that situation.
I mean, what would scum!chairs have to say at the start of day 2? "No, I don't think that hammer was suspicious. And no you shouldn't suspect the L-1 guy either."

PPE: 2

I think scum hammering in that situation would be pretty stupid, but town hammering there would be possibly even worse, so I don't think you can discount either situation.

Ultimately I think your reasoning boils down to "Awaclus did something scummy and chairs voted for him, so let's lynch chairs." If someone is going to get lynched based on Awaclus' play I would rather it be Awaclus.

so you're voting for Uncleeurope then
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #376 on: September 10, 2018, 07:15:53 am »

Awaclus (1): DatSwan
Xxraptorslayer96 (2): Hydrad, Uncleeurope
WestCoastDidds (1): chairs
chairs (4): WestCoastDidds, Xxraptorslayer96, LaLight, infangthief
Uncleeurope (2): hypercube, Awaclus

So this is where we're at now
Actually I think you've missed a couple: chairs is back on Uncleeurope and DatSwan is now on Hydrad.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #377 on: September 10, 2018, 07:16:55 am »

Xxraptorslayer96 (2): Hydrad, Uncleeurope
chairs (4): WestCoastDidds, Xxraptorslayer96, LaLight, infangthief
Uncleeurope (3): hypercube, Awaclus, chairs
Hydrad (1): DatSwan

Fixed
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #378 on: September 10, 2018, 07:18:30 am »

so we have 2 major wagons. I don't think we should switch onto Raptor anyway, so people there should move their vote.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #379 on: September 10, 2018, 07:21:01 am »

Vote Count 1.10

Xxraptorslayer96 (2): Hydrad, Uncleeurope
Hydrad (1): DatSwan
chairs (4): WestCoastDidds, Xxraptorslayer96, LaLight, infangthief
Uncleeurope (3): hypercube, Awaclus, chairs

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #380 on: September 10, 2018, 07:42:59 am »

so we have 2 major wagons. I don't think we should switch onto Raptor anyway, so people there should move their vote.

Why not switch to Raptor? Not enough time?
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #381 on: September 10, 2018, 07:46:31 am »

Are you suggesting that scum!chairs puts someone at L-1 at the start of day 1, and then his scum partner comes along and hammers? scum!chairs would be livid, surely. I don't think even a newbie scum player would hammer in that situation.
I mean, what would scum!chairs have to say at the start of day 2? "No, I don't think that hammer was suspicious. And no you shouldn't suspect the L-1 guy either."

PPE: 2

I think scum hammering in that situation would be pretty stupid, but town hammering there would be possibly even worse, so I don't think you can discount either situation.

Ultimately I think your reasoning boils down to "Awaclus did something scummy and chairs voted for him, so let's lynch chairs." If someone is going to get lynched based on Awaclus' play I would rather it be Awaclus.

so you're voting for Uncleeurope then

Certainly I would vote for Awaclus before chairs. Right now I think Uncleeurope is more likely to be scum than either.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #382 on: September 10, 2018, 07:53:36 am »

so we have 2 major wagons. I don't think we should switch onto Raptor anyway, so people there should move their vote.

Why not switch to Raptor? Not enough time?

No. I may step on thin ice now, but i think Raptor requested replacement, so we should at least wait for someone else. This makes his inactivity NAI (not alignment indicative)
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #383 on: September 10, 2018, 08:10:42 am »

Hyper, can you spin out the why on Ava, Eddie, Chairs a bit more?
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #384 on: September 10, 2018, 08:29:46 am »

Woof. The tunneling is real from fang. If I’m lynched today I encourage you to consider a fang Lynch tomorrow because that feels a lot like scum really trying to back up their mislynch.

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #385 on: September 10, 2018, 08:35:32 am »

Woof. The tunneling is real from fang. If I’m lynched today I encourage you to consider a fang Lynch tomorrow because that feels a lot like scum really trying to back up their mislynch.
Sure, they can consider it if they like. Only if you flip as town of course.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #386 on: September 10, 2018, 08:39:41 am »

Hyper, can you spin out the why on Ava, Eddie, Chairs a bit more?

OK, my scumread on Eddie is mostly based on him playing in an anxious manner; he's been very concerned with self-preservation even at points where he didn't have many votes on him. Since I pointed this out, he hasn't been posting as much, which could be that he doesn't think he's able to replicate his town tone and is hoping to fly under the radar, or that he's resigned to his lynch.

I think LL's explanation of Eddie's claim of not-Doctor as being newb scum eager to claim VT is plausible. It's also slightly interesting that he claimed to not be a doctor instead of claiming to be a VT -- those aren't exactly the same thing.

Regarding Awaclus, I think the doctoring plan was bad because there's no need to restrict the doctors' choices when the odds of them colliding is so low. I gave some scumpoints to Hydrad, Awa, and LL for vocally supporting it. LL's subsequent responses seemed towny to me, but I didn't like Awaclus', especially this:

There are more people pushing this idea than there are scum, therefore pushing the idea is not suspicious.

which I still think is fallacious. He later explained that he was supporting the plan in hopes that the doctors wouldn't follow it but scum would think that they were, which was a plausible enough explanation that I dialed back my read on him from "very scummy" to "somewhat scummy".

Regarding chairs I don't think he's done anything particularly scummy. I think that putting Awaclus at L-1 was fine since we can trust town to not hammer before Awa responds. I don't really buy infang's theory that Awaclus is such a strong player relative to the other vets that chairs has been seeking to get him out of the game since his first post. Overall I would say that chairs has been playing fairly boldly, which I'm willing to treat as a town indicator for today.

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #387 on: September 10, 2018, 08:49:46 am »

just woke up. havn't even had time to read everyones posts. I'll be able to post on my breaks though and then have time after work before lynch.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #388 on: September 10, 2018, 08:50:08 am »

I'll reread Hydrad in a bit since I realized that I haven't really scrutinized him much.

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #389 on: September 10, 2018, 08:51:14 am »

Woof. The tunneling is real from fang. If I’m lynched today I encourage you to consider a fang Lynch tomorrow because that feels a lot like scum really trying to back up their mislynch.
Sure, they can consider it if they like. Only if you flip as town of course.
And no quick-lynching of course. The doctors may want some time to hear from people and work on their reads.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #390 on: September 10, 2018, 08:53:03 am »

Woof. The tunneling is real from fang. If I’m lynched today I encourage you to consider a fang Lynch tomorrow because that feels a lot like scum really trying to back up their mislynch.
Sure, they can consider it if they like. Only if you flip as town of course.
And no quick-lynching of course. The doctors may want some time to hear from people and work on their reads.

This is a weird post. It's like you believe chairs actually is town and think about how to come out townie the next day...
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #391 on: September 10, 2018, 09:00:36 am »

Woof. The tunneling is real from fang. If I’m lynched today I encourage you to consider a fang Lynch tomorrow because that feels a lot like scum really trying to back up their mislynch.
Sure, they can consider it if they like. Only if you flip as town of course.
And no quick-lynching of course. The doctors may want some time to hear from people and work on their reads.

This is a weird post. It's like you believe chairs actually is town and think about how to come out townie the next day...

Of course, I'm aware that chairs may turn out to be town. The strongest case I have on him is "his play so far makes total sense from a scum point of view." See #372.

But at the same time, this post was to remind people that chairs would have been happy with a quick lynch day 1, which would have given the doctors no chance to get good reads.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #392 on: September 10, 2018, 09:09:04 am »

My method of winning is to be average at the game. I usually end up being viewed as town so I don't get lynched. And I'm not the strongest players so scum usually don't night kill me. Which ends up in from my perspective being in a decent amount of 1v1s to win or lose the game.

This seems to have been written from scum!Hydrad's perspective, (i.e., that the goal of the game is to survive to the end). I'm curious about the opinion of the other vets: is the above an accurate statement or is Hydrad being self-deprecating?
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #393 on: September 10, 2018, 09:11:06 am »

My method of winning is to be average at the game. I usually end up being viewed as town so I don't get lynched. And I'm not the strongest players so scum usually don't night kill me. Which ends up in from my perspective being in a decent amount of 1v1s to win or lose the game.

This seems to have been written from scum!Hydrad's perspective, (i.e., that the goal of the game is to survive to the end). I'm curious about the opinion of the other vets: is the above an accurate statement or is Hydrad being self-deprecating?

I didn't play with scum!Hydrad yet, but as town he lives till the end, so this might be true about being average
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« Reply #394 on: September 10, 2018, 09:13:51 am »

Of course, I'm aware that chairs may turn out to be town. The strongest case I have on him is "his play so far makes total sense from a scum point of view." See #372.

But at the same time, this post was to remind people that chairs would have been happy with a quick lynch day 1, which would have given the doctors no chance to get good reads.

Actually, here is the strongest version of my case (and the best summary):

In conclusion:
chairs says that an early day 1 Awaclus mis-lynch would have been nice.
Town!chairs has some pretty weak reasons for wanting an early day 1 Awaclus mis-lynch.
Scum!chairs has some pretty powerful reasons for wanting an early day 1 Awaclus mis-lynch.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #395 on: September 10, 2018, 09:14:12 am »

Of course, I'm aware that chairs may turn out to be town. The strongest case I have on him is "his play so far makes total sense from a scum point of view." See #372.

But at the same time, this post was to remind people that chairs would have been happy with a quick lynch day 1, which would have given the doctors no chance to get good reads.

Actually, here is the strongest version of my case (and the best summary):

In conclusion:
chairs says that an early day 1 Awaclus mis-lynch would have been nice.
Town!chairs has some pretty weak reasons for wanting an early day 1 Awaclus mis-lynch.
Scum!chairs has some pretty powerful reasons for wanting an early day 1 Awaclus mis-lynch.

I've seen your case
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« Reply #396 on: September 10, 2018, 09:15:21 am »

Woof. The tunneling is real from fang. If I’m lynched today I encourage you to consider a fang Lynch tomorrow because that feels a lot like scum really trying to back up their mislynch.
Sure, they can consider it if they like. Only if you flip as town of course.
And no quick-lynching of course. The doctors may want some time to hear from people and work on their reads.

This is a weird post. It's like you believe chairs actually is town and think about how to come out townie the next day...

Of course, I'm aware that chairs may turn out to be town. The strongest case I have on him is "his play so far makes total sense from a scum point of view." See #372.

But at the same time, this post was to remind people that chairs would have been happy with a quick lynch day 1, which would have given the doctors no chance to get good reads.

Are you suggesting doctor reads are better than a nigh guaranteed lunch on scum D2?

If we weren’t so close to deadline I’d just drop my vote on you and leave it there.

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #397 on: September 10, 2018, 09:18:19 am »

as much as I hate to vote for an active newbie, I think he actually slipped there. Let's try vote: fang and see how this will work out. We still have quite a lot of time till deadline
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #398 on: September 10, 2018, 09:22:59 am »

Are you suggesting doctor reads are better than a nigh guaranteed lunch on scum D2?

Why wouldn't you want to go for both?
And of course (if it were a choice) I would suggest that doctors protecting people at night is more valuable than lynching me, because I'm town.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #399 on: September 10, 2018, 09:27:50 am »

as much as I hate to vote for an active newbie, I think he actually slipped there. Let's try vote: fang and see how this will work out. We still have quite a lot of time till deadline
Slipped?
I mean, I guess you're not going to tell me how. But you've got me intrigued.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #400 on: September 10, 2018, 09:28:37 am »

as much as I hate to vote for an active newbie, I think he actually slipped there. Let's try vote: fang and see how this will work out. We still have quite a lot of time till deadline

Fang does seem to be working really hard on the Chairs train. LaLi, what was his slip?
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #401 on: September 10, 2018, 09:29:46 am »

Woof. The tunneling is real from fang. If I’m lynched today I encourage you to consider a fang Lynch tomorrow because that feels a lot like scum really trying to back up their mislynch.
Sure, they can consider it if they like. Only if you flip as town of course.
And no quick-lynching of course. The doctors may want some time to hear from people and work on their reads.

This is written from the perspective of scum who surely knows chairs will flip town
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #402 on: September 10, 2018, 09:30:20 am »

god I have more scumreads than there are scum
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #403 on: September 10, 2018, 09:32:18 am »

it seems like fang doesn't really believe in his case
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #404 on: September 10, 2018, 09:33:58 am »

god I have more scumreads than there are scum

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« Reply #405 on: September 10, 2018, 09:35:05 am »

god I have more scumreads than there are scum

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well, for now I think fang is more probable to flip scum than chairs.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #406 on: September 10, 2018, 09:35:38 am »

Are you suggesting that scum!chairs puts someone at L-1 at the start of day 1, and then his scum partner comes along and hammers? scum!chairs would be livid, surely. I don't think even a newbie scum player would hammer in that situation.
I mean, what would scum!chairs have to say at the start of day 2? "No, I don't think that hammer was suspicious. And no you shouldn't suspect the L-1 guy either."

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I think scum hammering in that situation would be pretty stupid, but town hammering there would be possibly even worse, so I don't think you can discount either situation.

Ultimately I think your reasoning boils down to "Awaclus did something scummy and chairs voted for him, so let's lynch chairs." If someone is going to get lynched based on Awaclus' play I would rather it be Awaclus.

will you vote chairs to avoid a no lynch?
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #407 on: September 10, 2018, 09:37:44 am »

Woof. The tunneling is real from fang. If I’m lynched today I encourage you to consider a fang Lynch tomorrow because that feels a lot like scum really trying to back up their mislynch.
Sure, they can consider it if they like. Only if you flip as town of course.
And no quick-lynching of course. The doctors may want some time to hear from people and work on their reads.

This is written from the perspective of scum who surely knows chairs will flip town

Written from the perspective of town who thinks chairs is scum, but a long way from certain.
And was going through the scenario of... chairs town + quick lynch on me day 2 => two mislynches and heading into night 2 with doctors having poor reads. Which would be very bad for town. So just a word of caution to avoid that.

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #408 on: September 10, 2018, 09:42:59 am »

Are you suggesting that scum!chairs puts someone at L-1 at the start of day 1, and then his scum partner comes along and hammers? scum!chairs would be livid, surely. I don't think even a newbie scum player would hammer in that situation.
I mean, what would scum!chairs have to say at the start of day 2? "No, I don't think that hammer was suspicious. And no you shouldn't suspect the L-1 guy either."

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I think scum hammering in that situation would be pretty stupid, but town hammering there would be possibly even worse, so I don't think you can discount either situation.

Ultimately I think your reasoning boils down to "Awaclus did something scummy and chairs voted for him, so let's lynch chairs." If someone is going to get lynched based on Awaclus' play I would rather it be Awaclus.

will you vote chairs to avoid a no lynch?

I would.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #409 on: September 10, 2018, 10:04:19 am »

A bit of theory, that I want to get out there well in advance of the deadline.

I understand that in most mafia games you allow a PR claim to prevent a lynch.
But in this set-up, with two doctors alive, things get very tricky. (DatSwan hinted at this in #283 which is what got me thinking).

If a scum member makes a fake doctor claim then it throws town into a complete mess:
- If town decides to go along with the fake claim for the time being, then not only are they treating the fake doctor as a kind of IC (I mean, the fake doctor can never be proved wrong by events, am I right?), but each town doctor then has to believe they are the only unclaimed doctor and kind of has to protect the fake doctor, thus totally wasting all town PR roles.
- Real doctors can't counterclaim the fake doctor without outing both real doctors.

So I think the only way out of this mess is to treat any doctor claim entirely on its own merits - does other evidence lead you to believe they are really a doctor? If not, seriously consider lynching them.

This only applies while two doctors are alive, of course. If there's only one left, then you counterclaim and get a normal 1v1 between the real doctor and the scum fake claimed one.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #410 on: September 10, 2018, 10:07:33 am »

Each town doctor then has to believe they are the only unclaimed doctor and kind of has to protect the fake doctor, thus totally wasting all town PR roles.

Doctors can not protect each other.
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« Reply #411 on: September 10, 2018, 10:10:49 am »

Each town doctor then has to believe they are the only unclaimed doctor and kind of has to protect the fake doctor, thus totally wasting all town PR roles.

Doctors can not protect each other.

One doctor can protect another, the protection only breaks if they both protect each other.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #412 on: September 10, 2018, 10:12:43 am »

Now, I know if you've started scumreading me then you're probably not going to believe me here, but:

The reason I went after chairs so hard is because I wanted to see what he did if he got to intent to hammer. But I'm only around for another 50 minutes (I may manage to get on later, but can't guarantee it).

So it seems more important to get this theory out there in enough time that it can be accepted/rejected before it needs to be put into practice.

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #413 on: September 10, 2018, 10:13:01 am »

Each town doctor then has to believe they are the only unclaimed doctor and kind of has to protect the fake doctor, thus totally wasting all town PR roles.

Doctors can not protect each other.

One doctor can protect another, the protection only breaks if they both protect each other.

oooooohhhhhhhhhh sorry I messed this up in my head. I thought both doctors are machos
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #414 on: September 10, 2018, 10:22:54 am »

- If town decides to go along with the fake claim for the time being, then not only are they treating the fake doctor as a kind of IC (I mean, the fake doctor can never be proved wrong by events, am I right?), but each town doctor then has to believe they are the only unclaimed doctor and kind of has to protect the fake doctor, thus totally wasting all town PR roles.

A fake doctor would be outed if both real doctors died. Also I don't see a particular reason why anyone "has to" believe anything. You've been trying to direct people a lot this game, actually.

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #415 on: September 10, 2018, 10:34:29 am »

Agreed.

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #416 on: September 10, 2018, 10:35:14 am »

- If town decides to go along with the fake claim for the time being, then not only are they treating the fake doctor as a kind of IC (I mean, the fake doctor can never be proved wrong by events, am I right?), but each town doctor then has to believe they are the only unclaimed doctor and kind of has to protect the fake doctor, thus totally wasting all town PR roles.

A fake doctor would be outed if both real doctors died.

Good point. In fact, it only takes one real doctor to die. So it's not half as bad as I thought.
But still, there is something in it I think. With a claimed doctor and both doctors are still alive, if you are a doctor, you are left with the choice whether to protect the claimed doctor (who is either doctor or scum), or not. Which again comes down to reads - do you read them as a doctor or not?

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« Reply #417 on: September 10, 2018, 10:37:15 am »

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #418 on: September 10, 2018, 10:40:11 am »

So, here is where we are... Vote count WCD1
Xxraptorslayer96 (2): Hydrad, Uncleeurope
Hydrad (1): DatSwan
chairs (2): , Xxraptorslayer96, infangthief
Uncleeurope (2): Awaclus, chairs
Infangthief (3): Lalight, WCD, hypercube

I’m around for the next hour, and then again 16:00-17:00 forum time, and then on a plane for DL. I’m against no lynch.
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« Reply #419 on: September 10, 2018, 10:43:24 am »

Vote Count 1.11

Xxraptorslayer96 (2): Hydrad, Uncleeurope
infangthief (3): LaLight, hypercube, WestCoastDidds
Hydrad (1): DatSwan
chairs (2): Xxraptorslayer96, infangthief
Uncleeurope (2): Awaclus, chairs

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #420 on: September 10, 2018, 11:02:28 am »

I will be popping in and out of functional connectivity at work as I’m mostly in a basement today. vote: fang

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« Reply #421 on: September 10, 2018, 11:02:47 am »

Well I've got to go. I'll try to look in later in case I need to move my vote to get a hammer through.

But if I don't manage to get on later, and if I'm lynched, well I look forward to seeing how this movie plays out. All I can say is sorry for upsetting those wagons that were forming so nicely on my scum-reads chairs and Eddie (not that I think there's a chairs-Eddie team here; chairs sat on Eddie for a while when Eddie was at L-1).
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« Reply #422 on: September 10, 2018, 11:04:04 am »

I will be popping in and out of functional connectivity at work as I’m mostly in a basement today. vote: fang

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #423 on: September 10, 2018, 11:06:07 am »

And I suppose the other thing I can say before I go is that I am town, but I mean that was obvious to most of you for most of day 1. I recommend not lynching me.
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« Reply #424 on: September 10, 2018, 11:46:46 am »

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« Reply #425 on: September 10, 2018, 11:53:03 am »

Ok. Spent my 15 min on just catching up on the last 2 pages. So much good content and now I'm sad I don't have enough time to talk about some things I wanted. In like 2 hours I'll be on my lunch and should actually have time to talk.

Right now I'll say I'm not sold on fangs wagon yet. He was probably the person I was town reading the hardest so I would rather someone else if possible. Either way I will be back in like 2 with hopefully more posts
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« Reply #426 on: September 10, 2018, 12:16:27 pm »

I am concerned with this shakeup right before death day. A lot of people seem to be switching their vote while implying that changing it will be improbable.

Feels like the vote is being held hostage.

I similarly am not a fan of the Thief kill at this moment. I would actually prefer the chairs kill. Because almost nothing has been said regarding Thief we can’t pull as much information if he flips town, either. At least that’s my understanding.

How is it that I have been waiting for this day for forever but now think it has come too quickly.

I will be available for longer here so when I Vote: chairs it is just to be a place holder.

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« Reply #427 on: September 10, 2018, 12:18:39 pm »

Oh, and somewhere Cube mentioned me posting less after he called me out, but it was the weekend, I had other reasons to not post as much.
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« Reply #428 on: September 10, 2018, 12:28:17 pm »

Oh, and somewhere Cube mentioned me posting less after he called me out, but it was the weekend, I had other reasons to not post as much.

That's fair.

I am concerned with this shakeup right before death day. A lot of people seem to be switching their vote while implying that changing it will be improbable.

Feels like the vote is being held hostage.

I similarly am not a fan of the Thief kill at this moment. I would actually prefer the chairs kill. Because almost nothing has been said regarding Thief we can’t pull as much information if he flips town, either. At least that’s my understanding.

It seems the that most of us will be around to move our votes before deadline, so it's not bad that we've got some activity today after a slow weekend.

Regarding Thief, the good thing is that he's been posting and interacting a lot, so I don't think we have to worry that his would be a low-information lynch.
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« Reply #429 on: September 10, 2018, 12:57:17 pm »

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Xxraptorslayer96 (1): Hydrad
infangthief (4): LaLight, hypercube, WestCoastDidds, chairs
Hydrad (1): DatSwan
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« Reply #430 on: September 10, 2018, 01:18:06 pm »

I am concerned with this shakeup right before death day. A lot of people seem to be switching their vote while implying that changing it will be improbable.

Feels like the vote is being held hostage.

I similarly am not a fan of the Thief kill at this moment. I would actually prefer the chairs kill. Because almost nothing has been said regarding Thief we can’t pull as much information if he flips town, either. At least that’s my understanding.

How is it that I have been waiting for this day for forever but now think it has come too quickly.

I will be available for longer here so when I Vote: chairs it is just to be a place holder.

If we have the people for it we should absolutely vote Eddie for this scumslip

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« Reply #431 on: September 10, 2018, 01:18:38 pm »

I know that looks like omgus but he repeatedly uses “kill” in place of lynch.

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« Reply #432 on: September 10, 2018, 01:21:20 pm »

I know that looks like omgus but he repeatedly uses “kill” in place of lynch.


Uhhh what?
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« Reply #433 on: September 10, 2018, 01:25:42 pm »

I know that looks like omgus but he repeatedly uses “kill” in place of lynch.

Sorry, I don't think this is a slip
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« Reply #434 on: September 10, 2018, 01:26:15 pm »

what if chairs is the Fang's partner who wanted to bus but then saw that wagon is growing and left it :thonk:
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« Reply #435 on: September 10, 2018, 01:28:08 pm »

I think there is at least one scum in chairs/fang/Eddie
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« Reply #436 on: September 10, 2018, 01:28:52 pm »

what if chairs is the Fang's partner who wanted to bus but then saw that wagon is growing and left it :thonk:

I will happily go back to fang if folks don’t agree with me on the Eddie slip.

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« Reply #437 on: September 10, 2018, 02:19:29 pm »

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Xxraptorslayer96 (1): Hydrad
infangthief (3): LaLight, hypercube, WestCoastDidds
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« Reply #438 on: September 10, 2018, 02:22:27 pm »

Vote: chairs
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« Reply #439 on: September 10, 2018, 02:45:16 pm »

I think there is at least one scum in chairs/fang/Eddie

I’m thinking back to Chairs is wise. If I vote there, it’s L-1, yeah?
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« Reply #440 on: September 10, 2018, 02:50:28 pm »

I wasn’t reading Fang as scummy before today. And then it was because he seemed to be pushing chairs so hard. But then I think maybe that was just enthusiasm at thinking through the answers to his questions and not do much an attempt to steer everyone else. Not sure.

But when his wagon got going, he didn’t have a super scummy reaction and/or flail about, which seems pretty town.

So, Chairs is maybe a better lynch?
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« Reply #441 on: September 10, 2018, 02:57:01 pm »

Well down to less than four hours.

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« Reply #442 on: September 10, 2018, 03:10:37 pm »

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« Reply #443 on: September 10, 2018, 03:14:36 pm »

Lynch me if you gotta but don’t leave D1 without a lynch. I probably can’t check in any more before deadline.

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« Reply #444 on: September 10, 2018, 03:18:51 pm »

Vote: Chairs

That’s L-1
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« Reply #445 on: September 10, 2018, 03:21:58 pm »

But golly, I wish the folks on him were different.

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« Reply #446 on: September 10, 2018, 03:27:07 pm »

Just got on lynch now sorry. Reading
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« Reply #447 on: September 10, 2018, 03:30:48 pm »

Vote: Chairs

That’s L-1

I will take this time to confirm that my placeholder vote is consistent with my wishes for this current game state.
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« Reply #448 on: September 10, 2018, 03:32:26 pm »

Just got on lynch now sorry. Reading

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« Reply #449 on: September 10, 2018, 03:33:02 pm »

Oh man I missed so much of the conversation I feel bad.

At this point if it's between fang and chairs I would much rather chairs.
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« Reply #451 on: September 10, 2018, 03:37:15 pm »

A reference to the epic 80’s classic Top Gun.

I just wanted to hear what you were thinking...
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« Reply #452 on: September 10, 2018, 03:37:32 pm »

I would be willing to hammer at this point actually. But I just noticed datswan hasn't had time to post since this posting explosion happened. I wouldn't mind waiting for him to have a chance to talk about this
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« Reply #453 on: September 10, 2018, 03:40:00 pm »

A reference to the epic 80’s classic Top Gun.

I just wanted to hear what you were thinking...

There are to many things I'm thinking about I feel like. And I only have 10 minutes on lunch left. I'll be done work in 2 hours and 30 min though if the day is still going.

But if your wondering who I'm thinking for the lynch it's easily chairs. Well actually not easily. I think there are like 2 others I have above him but if we are comparing him to fang I will lynch chairs
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« Reply #454 on: September 10, 2018, 03:41:01 pm »

I would be willing to hammer at this point actually. But I just noticed datswan hasn't had time to post since this posting explosion happened. I wouldn't mind waiting for him to have a chance to talk about this

I think that's wise, he did say he would be around near the deadline.
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« Reply #455 on: September 10, 2018, 03:42:17 pm »

Deadline is in 2 hours a 19 minutes.

So as long as someone comes along...
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« Reply #456 on: September 10, 2018, 03:43:38 pm »

It’s also feasible that one of the Europeans checks in before bed.
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« Reply #457 on: September 10, 2018, 03:45:18 pm »

Deadline is in 2 hours a 19 minutes.

So as long as someone comes along...

Oh shoot. I didn't realize it was that close. That's 4 for me and I'm don't 3:30. I thought I would have at least an hour or too after work. I didn't think it was that soon. Thanks for reminding me. In the case I'll at least check on my phone at like 3:30 to post a hammer if I need too. Won't have enough to do big posts but I can hammer then
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« Reply #458 on: September 10, 2018, 03:45:39 pm »

Deadline is in 2 hours a 19 minutes.

So as long as someone comes along...

Oh shoot. I didn't realize it was that close. That's 4 for me and I'm don't 3:30. I thought I would have at least an hour or too after work. I didn't think it was that soon. Thanks for reminding me. In the case I'll at least check on my phone at like 3:30 to post a hammer if I need too. Won't have enough to do big posts but I can hammer then

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« Reply #459 on: September 10, 2018, 03:46:47 pm »

It’s also feasible that one of the Europeans checks in before bed.

I'm here. I still like the fang wagon more than the chairs wagon but I'm more ambivalent about it after chairs trying to convince us that Eddie saying "kills" was a scumslip.
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« Reply #460 on: September 10, 2018, 03:49:03 pm »

I think chairs should claim at this point
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« Reply #461 on: September 10, 2018, 03:49:24 pm »

It’s also feasible that one of the Europeans checks in before bed.

I'm here. I still like the fang wagon more than the chairs wagon but I'm more ambivalent about it after chairs trying to convince us that Eddie saying "kills" was a scumslip.

Ya I've never seen that as a scum slip. But I guess partly because I have been town many times and used the word kill instead of lynch and had people call it a scumslip when I know it's not. Unfortunately I don't remember if those people were more often town or scum
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« Reply #462 on: September 10, 2018, 03:50:21 pm »

I think chairs should claim at this point

I don't think he will. I think that was his last post. So I'm assuming that means he's not a doc
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« Reply #463 on: September 10, 2018, 03:50:44 pm »

Ok lunch done. Be back later
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« Reply #464 on: September 10, 2018, 03:51:28 pm »

I think chairs should claim at this point

I don't think he will. I think that was his last post. So I'm assuming that means he's not a doc

ah, right
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« Reply #465 on: September 10, 2018, 03:53:01 pm »

Had a surprise moment where I had to come out of the basement at work. Not claiming though so #dealwithit.

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« Reply #466 on: September 10, 2018, 03:56:57 pm »

Vote Count 1.15

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« Reply #467 on: September 10, 2018, 04:16:20 pm »

Hammertime! Vote: chairs
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« Reply #468 on: September 10, 2018, 04:22:24 pm »

You’re already on him!
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« Reply #470 on: September 10, 2018, 04:24:50 pm »

Was possibly a fake hammer to try to get me to slip up but as I’m Town it wouldn’t have worked. Does lean me a little Town on Awaclus.

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« Reply #471 on: September 10, 2018, 04:25:07 pm »

You’re already on him!

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #472 on: September 10, 2018, 04:28:35 pm »

hey all had a thing come up kept me from checking in. Looks like we have about 90 minutes left.

We need a lynch to go through.

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for now...

I will be back in 30-45 to check in and then should be around for the rest.
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« Reply #473 on: September 10, 2018, 04:29:29 pm »

So confused...
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« Reply #474 on: September 10, 2018, 04:34:59 pm »

Was possibly a fake hammer to try to get me to slip up but as I’m Town it wouldn’t have worked. Does lean me a little Town on Awaclus.

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« Reply #475 on: September 10, 2018, 04:37:49 pm »

Vote Count 1.16

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« Reply #476 on: September 10, 2018, 04:39:11 pm »

40 minute flight...should be back before DL if I need to move my vote.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #477 on: September 10, 2018, 05:28:30 pm »

Here
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #478 on: September 10, 2018, 05:29:22 pm »

Who else?
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« Reply #479 on: September 10, 2018, 05:30:03 pm »

Awaclus, we’re unable to build a wagon on WCD in 40 minutes with half the people away
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« Reply #480 on: September 10, 2018, 05:31:50 pm »

here
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #481 on: September 10, 2018, 05:31:55 pm »

Hydrad, are you here? Who do you plan to vote?
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« Reply #483 on: September 10, 2018, 05:33:07 pm »

I'm here.
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« Reply #484 on: September 10, 2018, 05:34:12 pm »

LL worse case you good with us both switching to make sure the lynch goes off?
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« Reply #485 on: September 10, 2018, 05:34:53 pm »

well, three people from Fang's wagon :/
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« Reply #486 on: September 10, 2018, 05:35:06 pm »

LL worse case you good with us both switching to make sure the lynch goes off?

Sure
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« Reply #487 on: September 10, 2018, 05:35:52 pm »

WCD should be here at this point
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« Reply #488 on: September 10, 2018, 05:36:14 pm »

Hydrad promised to be back later
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« Reply #489 on: September 10, 2018, 05:36:26 pm »

that would be a good one to have come back
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« Reply #490 on: September 10, 2018, 05:36:40 pm »

I have not read up a ton but I am here. Sorry guys, I just haven’t had the time I thought I would.
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« Reply #491 on: September 10, 2018, 05:36:43 pm »

Here
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« Reply #492 on: September 10, 2018, 05:36:48 pm »

I think scum is content with the chairs lynch, which makes fang even scummier
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« Reply #493 on: September 10, 2018, 05:36:56 pm »

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« Reply #494 on: September 10, 2018, 05:37:15 pm »

oh wow raptor hello. Have you read any last pages? What is your stance?
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« Reply #495 on: September 10, 2018, 05:37:27 pm »

thanks silver
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« Reply #496 on: September 10, 2018, 05:37:32 pm »

Fang or Chairs?
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« Reply #497 on: September 10, 2018, 05:38:07 pm »

Fang or Chairs?

this is the choice I believe
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« Reply #498 on: September 10, 2018, 05:38:17 pm »

I think scum is content with the chairs lynch, which makes fang even scummier

no doubt, but we need a switch from someone that is not online lol
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« Reply #499 on: September 10, 2018, 05:38:38 pm »

Anyone feeling strongly?
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« Reply #500 on: September 10, 2018, 05:38:43 pm »

i think WCD and raptor could switch at this point?
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« Reply #501 on: September 10, 2018, 05:39:11 pm »

Anyone feeling strongly?

I strongly feel that infang is scummier than chairs
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« Reply #502 on: September 10, 2018, 05:39:36 pm »

oh wow raptor hello. Have you read any last pages? What is your stance?

I know I suck, yeah trying to read back. Last 3 pages
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« Reply #503 on: September 10, 2018, 05:40:01 pm »

oh wow raptor hello. Have you read any last pages? What is your stance?

I know I suck, yeah trying to read back. Last 3 pages

Don't punish yourself, being at deadline is more preferable at this point
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« Reply #504 on: September 10, 2018, 05:40:10 pm »

Vote: fang
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« Reply #505 on: September 10, 2018, 05:40:36 pm »

L-1, leaving chairs at 3
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« Reply #506 on: September 10, 2018, 05:40:49 pm »

Raptor, we need you to hammer
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« Reply #507 on: September 10, 2018, 05:41:53 pm »

Or Awa ir Hydrad
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« Reply #508 on: September 10, 2018, 05:42:01 pm »

Awa moving to WCD then disappearing is pretty anti town.
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« Reply #509 on: September 10, 2018, 05:42:24 pm »

Awa moving to WCD then disappearing is pretty anti town.

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« Reply #510 on: September 10, 2018, 05:42:36 pm »

Intent to hammer
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« Reply #511 on: September 10, 2018, 05:42:45 pm »

Hydrad disappearing as well
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« Reply #512 on: September 10, 2018, 05:43:42 pm »

oh I really hope infang is scum, this would make things so much easier
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« Reply #513 on: September 10, 2018, 05:44:27 pm »

Awa moving to WCD then disappearing is pretty anti town.

Seriously...I was just thinking that is a super scummy move. Like he wants a no lynch..
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« Reply #514 on: September 10, 2018, 05:45:07 pm »

Vote: infangthief

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Awa moving to WCD then disappearing is pretty anti town.

Seriously...I was just thinking that is a super scummy move. Like he wants a no lynch..

"I wanted to lynch you, because you're scum" (c) Awaclus
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« Reply #516 on: September 10, 2018, 05:45:43 pm »

ok here goes
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« Reply #518 on: September 10, 2018, 05:47:01 pm »

"Oogely boogely! " said Hermione.

The bat materialized with only one wing and spun pathetically to the floor, flopping around in a circle on the gray stone.

"Now what is it really?" said Hermione.

"3 to 2 to 1."

"Oogely boogely! "

This time there was no bat of any kind; instead, Hermione felt a pulling sensation somewhere in her stomach, and then she suddenly stood in a different room, facing a pink lady who looked like a simplistically drawn cartoon character. This struck her as odd – her first thought was that it had been Harry's plan somehow, but that didn't seem right. It was impossible to disapparate out of Hogwarts, so the only way she could be here was if they had discovered a new kind of teleportation that worked differently from ordinary disapparation, and so the founders of Hogwarts hadn't been able to prevent it. And if it that case, they would actually have made one of the greatest discoveries in the history of magic, even though they were only eleven (and had only been trying for an hour). And then Harry would have been right after all... sort of.

"Excuse me," the lady said, "can you talk?"

"Yes," said Hermione.

"Great! I had to bring you here, but if you cooperate, I promise it will be temporary."

"Wait, you did this?" In that case, Harry wouldn't have been right, because it was only a coincidence that she was here now. That didn't count.

"Yes."

"Great! How can I help?"

"It's complic-" the lady began, but they were cut off by several shrieks coming from the door across the room. Then what looked like the head of a similarly simplistically drawn dog came through the door, but the rest of the body didn't follow... or rather, it did follow but there seemed to just be more body by the second, and no legs, or was his body already this long, but then how was it moving? This was just bizarre.

"Jake! What are you doing? Go back to the dungeon, immediately."

"Come on, PB," the dog said, "this is stupid. You know I'm not a traitor, I've known you for years!"

"Go back to the dungeon, or I will use this potion to banish you." The pink lady picked up a flask from the desk she was standing at. "Remember that you aren't actually the real you, and all of this is just a miniature world that could be on the inside of someone's fingernail, for all we know Your actual size might be less than a centimeter. If I throw this at you, it's possible if not likely that you-"

"Come on! Listen to yourself. You've gotten some real crazy ideas into your head. Come on, give me that." It stretched forward. Without hesitation, the pink lady took the flask and threw it at his approaching head, whereupon it broke immediately. A moment later, he was gone.

"This confirms my theory that we are indeed living in a miniature universe ostensibly identical to the real one." She gave the puddle on the floor a frown. "That's what you get for disrespecting SCIENCE!"
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #519 on: September 10, 2018, 05:48:30 pm »

Final Vote Count Day 1

Xxraptorslayer96 (1): Hydrad
WestCoastDidds (1): Awaclus
chairs (2): infangthief, Uncleeurope
infangthief (6): LaLight, hypercube, chairs, DatSwan, WestCoastDidds, Xxraptorslayer96

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« Reply #520 on: September 10, 2018, 05:51:26 pm »

infangthief has been lynched. They were Jake, a Vanilla Townie!

Night 1 starts now and will end at Sep 11, 18:00 forum time. That is in 24 hours. Night actions are due in 23 hours.

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Night 1)
« Reply #521 on: September 11, 2018, 06:10:01 pm »

Setting: Royal Chambers, The Candy Kingdom, Ooo
Cast: Princess Bubblegum, Hermione Granger, Ice King


Ice King: Hey, did you just kill Jake?

Princess Bubblegum: *groans* No. Didn't you pay attention? The real Jake is out there. If anything, I saved his life from being taken over by the Jake in here.

Ice King: But... then you did kill Jake. This one.

Princess Bubblegum: What are you doing here, anyway?

Princess Bubblegum (firm): You're supposed to be locked up!

Ice King: You're not supposed to lock me up. Don't you know the golden rule? "Don't do upon others what they would rather do upon you."

Ice King: And I don't think Finn and Lady are going to be happy when they find out.

Princess Bubblegum: *takes a deep breath*

Hermione Granger: Excuse me, what happens to the real versions of you when you take their place?

Princess Bubblegum: Oh, they'll be fine. I'll just make another body for each of them. I do that all the time. Everyone in the candy kingdom is hand-made by me, personally.

Hermione Granger: But you just said you 'saved' the real Jake.

Princess Bubblegum: *laughs nervously*

Princess Bubblegum: Hey, Ice King. This is a princess from another dimension. I'm giving you exclusive permission to do take her to your castle. But I'm not sure she'll go voluntarily, so you best start by freezing her...

Ice King: Really? Cool! *Fires Ice Beam*

Hermione Granger: Protego!

(Ice beam is reflected and hits the wall somewhere)

Hermione Granger: Somnium.

(Ice King falls asleep)

Hermione Granger: Something is wrong with you, anyway. Finite Incantatem.

(Ice King wakes up, skin starts deforming, nose shortens. Suddenly, the crown breaks in two)

Simon: Uhhh. What happened? Princess, what are you-

(Princess Bubblegum hits Hermione over the head with a second vile. She disappears instantly, leaving behind another puddle)

Princess Bubblegum (disappointed): No, I don't think she was the traitor, either.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Night 1)
« Reply #522 on: September 11, 2018, 06:12:15 pm »

hypercube has died in the night. They were Hermione Granger, a Town Doctor.

Day 2 starts now and will last until Sep 19, 18:00 form time. That is in 8 days.

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« Reply #523 on: September 11, 2018, 06:13:36 pm »

well. I am really sorry about fang, sorry fang, if you read this.

This nightkill sucks. Was there a softclaim by hyper anywhere?
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« Reply #524 on: September 11, 2018, 06:14:07 pm »

ok i waited for the day to start, now I can get to sleep. GN, see you in 8 hours
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« Reply #525 on: September 11, 2018, 06:15:05 pm »

Vote Count 2.0

Not Voting (8): LaLight, chairs, DatSwan, WestCoastDidds, Xxraptorslayer96, Hydrad, Uncleeurope, Awaclus

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 2 lasts until Sep 19, 18:00 forum time.

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« Reply #526 on: September 11, 2018, 06:16:29 pm »

Well then.

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« Reply #527 on: September 11, 2018, 06:49:08 pm »

Well that sucks
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« Reply #528 on: September 11, 2018, 07:09:58 pm »

well. I am really sorry about fang, sorry fang, if you read this.

This nightkill sucks. Was there a softclaim by hyper anywhere?

Not that I see. He did some talking/correcting on the condition of doctors protecting each other about halfway through with confidence but it was into in the set-up and some talk of the doctor plans (or not) early on, but nothing more overt than that.
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« Reply #529 on: September 11, 2018, 07:11:21 pm »

Could of been skum killing faust N1?
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« Reply #530 on: September 11, 2018, 07:18:02 pm »

Could of been skum killing faust N1?

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« Reply #531 on: September 11, 2018, 07:21:09 pm »

Could of been skum killing faust N1?

wait. Thats actually hilarious. Even when faust isn't playing he gets killed N1.
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« Reply #532 on: September 11, 2018, 07:22:07 pm »

potential slips skum could of tried to use to help there kill choice.

Hi everyone!

For those who weren't in NM12, I'm fine with he or they pronouns.

vote: Awaclus for doctor-hunting.




I wasn't feeling incredibly confident about where my vote is so I did a quick reread of Eddie in this game vs. Eddie in NM12 (where he was town). Eddie in NM12 was significantly more confident and engaged in scumhunting. In this game we get a lot more self-conscious asides like this:

(It was stupid, though, Eddie. I mean, come on)

I would characterize Eddie's tone in this game as anxious. Notably at post #170, where he seems insistent on dismissing people's scumreads of him despite the fact that no-one was actually voting for him at that point.

1. I am not a doctor, I use the phrase "Trust me I'm a _____ Doctor" a lot IRL (pulled it from a video where guy explained something that made no sense and his evidence for trusting him was to trust him because he was a math doctor, despite math being barely related). I realize this makes no sense and is a weird coincidence, but there ya go.

...

2. Honestly, medium likelyhood, but it hasn't happened yet. #NotaDoctor

...

4. Yeah, sorry about that, I have been told that people get used to me, I have also been told to expect to die a lot because of it. If it makes you feel better I only lie when I can perceive some gain from it.

Then LL votes for him and he acts like he's at L-1 instead of L-5.

Sigh... There is no way to react to this properly, but whatever, digging my own grave is something I am accustomed to.

I think a VT would be less concerned with their own survival, especially when they don't actually have a wagon on them. So, I'm happy with my vote where it is.



They are not exactly sound. I think that the most likely reason for the choice is that they are newer and unlikely to grab a doc target. Skum wants the kill to go off no matter what, so the priority isn't actually looking for the doctor for them... its looking for the people least likely to be doctored.


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« Reply #533 on: September 11, 2018, 07:25:58 pm »


They are not exactly sound. I think that the most likely reason for the choice is that they are newer and unlikely to grab a doc target. Skum wants the kill to go off no matter what, so the priority isn't actually looking for the doctor for them... its looking for the people least likely to be doctored.

Ya. This is my thought process as well.
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« Reply #534 on: September 11, 2018, 07:36:36 pm »

potential slips skum could of tried to use to help there kill choice.

Hi everyone!

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vote: Awaclus for doctor-hunting.




I wasn't feeling incredibly confident about where my vote is so I did a quick reread of Eddie in this game vs. Eddie in NM12 (where he was town). Eddie in NM12 was significantly more confident and engaged in scumhunting. In this game we get a lot more self-conscious asides like this:

(It was stupid, though, Eddie. I mean, come on)

I would characterize Eddie's tone in this game as anxious. Notably at post #170, where he seems insistent on dismissing people's scumreads of him despite the fact that no-one was actually voting for him at that point.

1. I am not a doctor, I use the phrase "Trust me I'm a _____ Doctor" a lot IRL (pulled it from a video where guy explained something that made no sense and his evidence for trusting him was to trust him because he was a math doctor, despite math being barely related). I realize this makes no sense and is a weird coincidence, but there ya go.

...

2. Honestly, medium likelyhood, but it hasn't happened yet. #NotaDoctor

...

4. Yeah, sorry about that, I have been told that people get used to me, I have also been told to expect to die a lot because of it. If it makes you feel better I only lie when I can perceive some gain from it.

Then LL votes for him and he acts like he's at L-1 instead of L-5.

Sigh... There is no way to react to this properly, but whatever, digging my own grave is something I am accustomed to.

I think a VT would be less concerned with their own survival, especially when they don't actually have a wagon on them. So, I'm happy with my vote where it is.



They are not exactly sound. I think that the most likely reason for the choice is that they are newer and unlikely to grab a doc target. Skum wants the kill to go off no matter what, so the priority isn't actually looking for the doctor for them... its looking for the people least likely to be doctored.

You’re doing that on purpose aren’t you?

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #535 on: September 11, 2018, 09:01:02 pm »

I’m a bit bummed that my biggest town read is no longer with us. You shall be missed, Thief. I will forever wonder why tour wagon became a thing.

Cube being removed is interesting, bummer he was a doc, but I had mixed feeling about his affiliation that I don’t have to worry about anymore.

I mainly am interested in understanding Awa’s vote at the end as well as examining Theif’s wagon more closely.
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« Reply #536 on: September 11, 2018, 09:14:34 pm »

Here's what it came down to...


Xxraptorslayer96 (1): Hydrad
WestCoastDidds (1): Awaclus
chairs (2): infangthief, Uncleeurope
infangthief (6): LaLight, hypercube, chairs, DatSwan, WestCoastDidds, Xxraptorslayer96

The first 4 had been there most of the day, and raptor and I had to join at the last minute to avoid a no lynch since the people who were around to vote had limited maneuverability.

I am perhaps more interested in Hydrad and Awa, who weren't on Fang, but were instead paving the way for no lynch. Especially Awaclus who made his change near the end in a way that was fully anti-town. And Raptor coming back was a total surprise. If he hadn't, I'm not sure we'd have had the numbers for a lynch.

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« Reply #537 on: September 11, 2018, 09:34:01 pm »

This is why I advocate for D1 Awaclus lynches.

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« Reply #538 on: September 11, 2018, 09:59:54 pm »

I mainly am interested in understanding Awa’s vote at the end

Are you WCD's scum partner?
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« Reply #539 on: September 11, 2018, 10:01:17 pm »

I am perhaps more interested in Hydrad and Awa, who weren't on Fang, but were instead paving the way for no lynch. Especially Awaclus who made his change near the end in a way that was fully anti-town. And Raptor coming back was a total surprise. If he hadn't, I'm not sure we'd have had the numbers for a lynch.

We would have. I was present three minutes before the deadline, but at that point we already had a lynch.
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« Reply #540 on: September 11, 2018, 10:33:46 pm »

I mainly am interested in understanding Awa’s vote at the end

Are you WCD's scum partner?

Is your argument for me being a team with someone me echoing them on a point? Or something else? Wouldn’t that be a bit obvious?
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« Reply #541 on: September 11, 2018, 10:57:19 pm »

I mainly am interested in understanding Awa’s vote at the end

Are you WCD's scum partner?

Is your argument for me being a team with someone me echoing them on a point? Or something else? Wouldn’t that be a bit obvious?

What's your argument for not being in a team with her?
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« Reply #542 on: September 12, 2018, 12:25:02 am »

Ah, that was your question.

She has been buddying me pretty hard... I don’t really have an answer to that.

My only response is that as an individual scum, I wouldn’t have made the mistakes I made this game (regarding the doctor “claim” and especially the closely followed unclaim). I wouldn’t have killed Cube, I wouldn’t have been so begrudging of fang’s wagon...

I mean, through my own eyes I have played this very town.

I can’t think of a good answer, so my apologies.
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« Reply #543 on: September 12, 2018, 01:33:37 am »

Just got on lynch now sorry. Reading

lol ok so another hydrad post coming up but this is a gem no one pointed out...

Backwards lynch/lunch!
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« Reply #544 on: September 12, 2018, 01:53:32 am »

Just got on lynch now sorry. Reading

lol ok so another hydrad post coming up but this is a gem no one pointed out...

Backwards lynch/lunch!

i hate my phone doing that. It used to be I would always try to type lynch and get lunch instead. But I think I've used lynch enough so that it tries to make lunch go into lynch now lol.

Also I wanna apologize for not being on 30 min before deadline like I thought I would be. I got back 10 min before but there was a lynch already.
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« Reply #545 on: September 12, 2018, 02:25:54 am »

Why Hydrad is probably Skum - Part II:



This is the quote that I mentioned yesterday. Randomly voting Raptor with no real reason. It is not more interesting. This post is stamped 4 days to DL.

on break so just a quick post about day1 reads. Especially if mcmc is reading this because I kinda share the opinion of him now. Awaclus probably likes this also? Anyways.

On day 1 I don't know if we should so openly give full read lists. As I think it doesn't help town that much but still can give scum info on who they might wanna nightkill or who they can push to lynch. On day2 and beyond I'm fine with read lists but I now believe they help scum more then town day 1

Even D2 and beyond, I think it's important to at least fabricate some of the crucial reads in your read list. Scum knowing your reads matters the most near the end game, when they're trying to decide who to keep alive for LyLo.

Old me would not believe that I would kinda agree with you here. But I'm starting to think your style is better then I first thought.

Vote: raptor



From this point forward, they stay on Raptor - which was a dead wagon. They could of gotten on Town!Fang (which they stated a lot that they did not want to do), or they could of multiple times hammered, evened out the wagon, or helped Fang by voting Chairs (or at some points Eddie).

@1.14 - Could of brought Chairs to L-1

@1.15 - Could of hammered Chairs

@1.16 - Could of brought Chairs to L-1 when the wagon was 4v4 on Chairs vs Fang

@1.17 - Same as 1.16

@ Final VC - They have interacted for half of their posts in the whole game between 1.14 and End of Day. They could of helped their town read (Fang) multiple times but did not.


Soooo. We are left with:
1) Town!Chairs, Town!Hydrad, Town!Fang - Def a possibility
2) Town!Hydrad, Town!Fang vs Skum!Chairs - Unlikely
3) Town!Chairs, Town!Fang vs Skum!Hydrad - Def a possibility

There are obv a bunch of options outside of this specific pool. So to narrow it down...

Do you think it was a town vs town wagon?
- If yes, then there is probably at least one skum off wagons
- If no, then we should lynch Hydrad/Awaclus/Chairs

Chairs narrows it down the most.
Awaclus is probably not the best lynch today.
Hydrad is the most likely to be skum.

Vote: Hydrad





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« Reply #546 on: September 12, 2018, 03:58:29 am »

Well, what you're implying is that chairs is scum and Hydrad is his scumpartner
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« Reply #547 on: September 12, 2018, 04:00:21 am »

I am a little underwhelmed because I feel like fang's lynch was my doing. And there are different reasons this underwhelms me. Let's vote: Hydrad, yeah. DatSwan's reads are better than mine
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« Reply #548 on: September 12, 2018, 04:01:15 am »

one more thing in favor of Hydrad being scum is that Newbies were both lynched and killed. I think at least one vet is a scum. I'd say it's chairs but
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« Reply #549 on: September 12, 2018, 04:01:44 am »

Eddie/Hydrad?
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #550 on: September 12, 2018, 04:02:48 am »

Final Vote Count Day 1

Xxraptorslayer96 (1): Hydrad
WestCoastDidds (1): Awaclus
chairs (2): infangthief, Uncleeurope
infangthief (6): LaLight, hypercube, chairs, DatSwan, WestCoastDidds, Xxraptorslayer96

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« Reply #551 on: September 12, 2018, 04:03:46 am »

Here's what it came down to...


Xxraptorslayer96 (1): Hydrad
WestCoastDidds (1): Awaclus
chairs (2): infangthief, Uncleeurope
infangthief (6): LaLight, hypercube, chairs, DatSwan, WestCoastDidds, Xxraptorslayer96

The first 4 had been there most of the day, and raptor and I had to join at the last minute to avoid a no lynch since the people who were around to vote had limited maneuverability.

I am perhaps more interested in Hydrad and Awa, who weren't on Fang, but were instead paving the way for no lynch. Especially Awaclus who made his change near the end in a way that was fully anti-town. And Raptor coming back was a total surprise. If he hadn't, I'm not sure we'd have had the numbers for a lynch.

vote: Awaclus

The problem is that DS, me and hyper were there to ensure chairs lynch if it comes to that
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« Reply #552 on: September 12, 2018, 04:11:01 am »

uh I am also have no one to speak to, both killed were europeans
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« Reply #553 on: September 12, 2018, 04:12:38 am »

Awaclus, so you think WCD is scum but not voting for her?
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« Reply #554 on: September 12, 2018, 04:30:57 am »

I’m here for a bit, but I doubt you are too interested in talking to me.

The only thing that concerns me about hydrad is he was willing to kill off chairs when it came down to it, but strongly against the Thief kill. I dunno, I guess I am just not putting Hydrad at the top of my current list right now.
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« Reply #555 on: September 12, 2018, 04:45:08 am »

I’m here for a bit, but I doubt you are too interested in talking to me.

The only thing that concerns me about hydrad is he was willing to kill off chairs when it came down to it, but strongly against the Thief kill. I dunno, I guess I am just not putting Hydrad at the top of my current list right now.

Why not talk to you? :)

Hydrad didn't put chairs on L-1. I don't see how he was willing to kill off chairs never voting for him
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« Reply #556 on: September 12, 2018, 04:55:54 am »

Well, IORC he committed to hammering him before the deadline, a conmitment that would be very scummy to break. I don’t think he would risk making hat statements if he was unwilling to hammer chairs.
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« Reply #557 on: September 12, 2018, 04:57:34 am »

Well, IIRC he committed to hammering him before the deadline, a conmitment that would be very scummy to break. I don’t think he would risk making that statements if he was unwilling to hammer chairs.

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« Reply #558 on: September 12, 2018, 04:57:45 am »

Well, IORC he committed to hammering him before the deadline, a conmitment that would be very scummy to break. I don’t think he would risk making hat statements if he was unwilling to hammer chairs.

But then he wasn't here at deadline
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #559 on: September 12, 2018, 05:00:12 am »

Well, a hammer happened before the deadline, I even tried to post 15 minutes pre-day-end and I couldn’t post before the thread locked.

He said he would stop by and vote if no one was voted out yet.

Again, super risky statement to say without follow through regardless.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #560 on: September 12, 2018, 05:21:16 am »

well, in the end he could easily be bussing. If I was a dayvig, I would glasly kill chairs now, because that would be super informative
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« Reply #561 on: September 12, 2018, 05:26:21 am »

Ooh, bussing’s a new one for me, what’s that one mean?

And I don’t have a hugely strong town read on Hydrad or anything, just trying to show another perspective.
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« Reply #562 on: September 12, 2018, 05:27:45 am »

Ooh, bussing’s a new one for me, what’s that one mean?

And I don’t have a hugely strong town read on Hydrad or anything, just trying to show another perspective.

Bussing is when one scum scumreads another and tries to lynch them
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« Reply #563 on: September 12, 2018, 05:29:00 am »

if Awaclus is the scumteam with WCD, he busses her hard
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« Reply #564 on: September 12, 2018, 05:30:05 am »

Oh, and I guess I will have to get my answer tomorrow, since it’s sleepy-time for me. And Wednesday’s are hard days for me to post during, so who knows if I will do much tomorrow, it all depends.

Edit: after reading your post because I’m too lazy to fix it, and if hydrad was bussing here, that would be amazing.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #565 on: September 12, 2018, 08:13:42 am »

if Awaclus is the scumteam with WCD, he busses her hard

Ha! Your example makes me laugh! Kind of like being thrown under a bus?

I have been trying to work through my antipathy towards him. This is what I came up with....I am feeling some guilt over lynching Fang. Going into the last vote, I felt townie about him, but when my flight landed at twenty till DL, all these people who said they would be around at DL weren't there, so it felt pressure to switch my vote (which in retrospect was a bad idea). So, when Awa moved his vote to me was aggravating since it was not at all helpful in helping us make a choice between fang and chairs. Pressure in general is not my favorite thing, but perhaps I felt more rushed/forced than I needed to  because in addition to the DL I was juggling getting off of a plane, calling a Lyft, and navigating the hubbub of an airport so it added to my sense of heightened tension. *I know it is just a game and I shouldn't feel about about lynching Fang, but I totally do.*

I also think it is significant that two newbs have been eliminated, so I feel certain that at least one, maybe two vets are behind it. Eliminating the newbs is easy. We aren't cagey and are still figuring out how to go about putting together a read. (I'm assuming Hypercube was killed because faust was his coach, and there was a low probability that he'd be protected because newb.) I think any scum!vet could make a case against raptor, eddie, or I pretty easily in the same way a case was made against fang by just using our inexperience against us. Now that we know he was town, his chairs tunnel reads differently. The chances of both scum being newb seems pretty much impossible based on what we have seen so far because either Eddie or Raptor would be running that show (its not me, obvi) and I don't see that level of skill here.

So, I think look at the vets carefully today (chairs, LL, hydrad, swan, Awa) and lynch one of them D2. Of those folks, LL was the most anti-Fang, and Swan is providing the most well-rounded assessments, but I am looking forward to hearing what others think.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #566 on: September 12, 2018, 09:20:13 am »

Yeah I can definitely vote: hydrad and also “could of” is incorrect it is “could have” - the contraction spelled could’ve is throwing you off since it sounds like could of.

I see the argument that hydrad and I could be Partners. I’m into an early hydrad lynch to remove one of us from the board so that the argument doesn’t come up later that we’re both scum, and then I’ll understand if I’m subsequently tomorrow’s lynch. Hydrad seems like a solid guess for scum given current events, particularly since my aggressive (for me) D1 play makes me an easy mislynch target for d2-3 so it wouldn’t surprise me if that’s the reluctance to vote me that he appears to have exhibited throughout D1.

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #567 on: September 12, 2018, 09:21:52 am »

FWIW if WCD and another newbie are partners the “look at the vets” suggestions is pretty good strategy to avoid review of yourselves and I applaud you for it.

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« Reply #568 on: September 12, 2018, 10:41:20 am »

Vote Count 2.1

Hydrad (3): DatSwan, LaLight, chairs
Awaclus (1): WestCoastDidds

Not Voting (4): Xxraptorslayer96, Hydrad, Uncleeurope, Awaclus

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« Reply #569 on: September 12, 2018, 11:27:39 am »

Going to try and be more helpful today then I was D1. I’m just finishing up reading.

 I can get on the Hydrad wagon, not going to put them at L-1 just yet.
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« Reply #570 on: September 12, 2018, 11:32:00 am »


LL, where did this information come from?


No. I may step on thin ice now, but i think Raptor requested replacement, so we should at least wait for someone else. This makes his inactivity NAI (not alignment indicative)
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #571 on: September 12, 2018, 11:35:06 am »

Oo a wagon I like wagons. Ah but it's on me... hmm.

Well I'm at work again today so I can't do it right now but when I get off work. I think around 6pm forum time. I'll try to answer every single one of datswan stuff points against me as I can give reasons behind almost each one from skimming his points.

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« Reply #572 on: September 12, 2018, 12:17:55 pm »

Anyone else feel like LL is playing the defeated card too much? He lost a lot of backbone after Thief died, I would have assumed that he would push for me to die next or something, but he just very passively states that he has poor reads and that he doesn’t trust himself anymore. Just seems like he gave up too easily.

Basically this feels like justification to me. Either that or depression.

So either we vote for LL, or we hug him.

(Just noting that I don’t feel that strongly about this, just didn’t want that thought to go unpublished)
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #573 on: September 12, 2018, 12:29:03 pm »


I don't want to agree with you, Uncle, because you get all "she's buddying me" when I am not, but I also think LL is worth a second look.

I asked where LL got the info that Raptor was going to/might be replaced a post or two ago. He hasn't had a chance to answer yet.

But if LL is scum and Raptor is his scum sidekick, it would make sense that he was bothered by his absence more than the rest of us, maybe reached out to have him replaced, and also discouraged us from voting him just because he was MIA.

LL seems so town, but he's also very good at this game, so seeming town would be his jam, right? Am I being overly suspicious?



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« Reply #574 on: September 12, 2018, 12:39:01 pm »

Anyone else feel like LL is playing the defeated card too much? He lost a lot of backbone after Thief died, I would have assumed that he would push for me to die next or something, but he just very passively states that he has poor reads and that he doesn’t trust himself anymore. Just seems like he gave up too easily.

Basically this feels like justification to me. Either that or depression.

So either we vote for LL, or we hug him.

(Just noting that I don’t feel that strongly about this, just didn’t want that thought to go unpublished)

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #575 on: September 12, 2018, 12:40:09 pm »


LL, where did this information come from?


No. I may step on thin ice now, but i think Raptor requested replacement, so we should at least wait for someone else. This makes his inactivity NAI (not alignment indicative)

There was a post in fds Mafia Hub (and still is requesting a replacement). It doesn’t say it’s raptor specifically, but it’s 2+2, he wasn’t online for 2 or 3 days
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« Reply #576 on: September 12, 2018, 04:54:39 pm »

if WCD and another newbie

i.e. Eddie.
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« Reply #577 on: September 12, 2018, 05:40:47 pm »

I’m here for a bit, but I doubt you are too interested in talking to me.

The only thing that concerns me about hydrad is he was willing to kill off chairs when it came down to it, but strongly against the Thief kill. I dunno, I guess I am just not putting Hydrad at the top of my current list right now.

They SAID they were willing to lynch Chairs. There is a huge lapse of time here.... like 4 IRL days with multiple hammer and defensive chances to go onto chairs. It would be one thing if they were on another viable wagon... but they were just sitting solo on Awaclus the whole time.


I get this idea suggests Hydrad!Chairs, but I want to make it clear I am not suggesting that. I am looking at it as independent pieces of the puzzle. It could of been Town vs Town and Hydrad didn't want to hammer Chairs when they had the chance because it may come back as skummy. They could of not played defense because if they knew it was town vs town they didn't need to take the risk because either way town gets lynched.... What doesn't make sense is just not doing anything. which makes me think skum!Hydrad.
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« Reply #578 on: September 12, 2018, 06:02:59 pm »

ok. I'm here. my next 2 posts will be responding to the case.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #579 on: September 12, 2018, 06:13:43 pm »

going to just bold my replies to make it easier.

Apologies - There are a lot of new players and I have not mentioned it this game - Weekends are essentially almost VLA for me most of the time in regards to content. I have a chance to keep up, but feedback is limited until Sunday evening normally.

That being said - I still think the Raptor wagon is weak af, so I have been doing read through's on those who are on him.

Let's start with the skummiest of my current vibes - Hydrad:

Hydrad:

1) This is them bringing up the doctoring claim idea, directly after they say they don't see a point in looking into it at this stage of the game.

hmm. Actually I can think of a way to make sure they don't target each other. We could do something like doctor chooses to heal someone either 1/2 or 3 spots below them on the signup list. The doctor gets to choose what number to use so that way if scum kill gets blocked they don't know what one was the doctor. But it also means that doctors won't be able to both target each other.

I actually kinda like that idea now that I'm thinking about it.

This post was 5 minutes after the first post I made about how nothing could work. Basically 2 minutes to write it and like 3 thinking about it. The only thought process I really had was can I make doctors not target each other without anyone claiming.


2) Promoting the idea again. Also, adding in the point that the doctors need to target exactly each other seems like a skum mindset.

but this actually saves us from the case when 2 doctors heal each other which is, well, unlikely. One can still heal the other and we'll have effectively 1 heal that night in this case. Better than 0, but still... I think healing whoever seems townier is a better choice

you have to remember the a doctor can still heal another doctor. its just both doctors can't heal each other.

So we don't even lose a heal in that scenario. The only way we lose a heal is if doctors both heal the same target if we do the 1-4 way.

I said this because Lalight seemed to have the idea that doctors are macho, which as we found out even after I posted this he still thought they were macho.

3) Summary of the below - Hydrad points out that if it the sign up order has all doctors and all skum within the same 4 in a row (it could actually be 5 together, just to be clear), that Skum would not in fact gain any information. This is false - by setting the rules forward that contain the cops to the pools of 4 underneath they get the reverse logic to narrow the pool - also, there is the fact that this set up COULD happen, and then Skum would have (in this particularly small chanced world) less information then they normally would.... orrrrr we just do random and there are no odds. Which is what he ended up conceding to.

I'm fine with random if thats how we want it. But I would like to point out your theory has some flaws about how it can work.

I'll just make a super basic setup.

1. doc
2. doc
3. vt
4. vt
5. vt
6. vt
7. vt
8. vt
9. scum
10. scum

so in this scum could pick numbers 5-8. lynch 7. cop 6 and kill 8.


From here, it could go down a few ways:
a) NK target dies, Cop result is a VT - Skum now has learned Doctor is either Player 1 or Player 10. Bad for us.
b) NK target lives, Cop result is a VT - Skum now has learned a Doctor must exist within Player 1 or Player 10. They don't get the kill, but still worse then random.
c) NK target dies, Cop result is a Doctor - Skum gets a kill and knows who one of the Doctors are. Worse case scenario for us.
d) NK target lives, Cop result is a Doctor - Skum doesn't get a kill, but finds the Doctor. Worse than random.

Basically I still wasn't thinking to hard about it but I just wanted to show that your points were making the plan worse then it actually was. Like in point A how you said that doctors are either player1 or 10 kinda thing, I wanted to show a thing that says hey its not as bad as you think. I was at this point starting to think random was better and I think I pretty quickly after that said I'm fine with random if I remember correctly. I just didn't like the fact that it seemed like you cherry picked the worst case options. But ya I can see you this one is a bit weird, I don't really know why I defended it like that if I didn't think it was the best way to go.

4) Why post this? I have thought about it and I cannot see how putting this out there would "help" skum. Only thing I could think of was maybe the lack of stated reads/stating you may lie about your reads early on could be used later in the game. Still though, def would assume reads lists are more valuable to skum then not having them. So, I guess this is townish?

on break so just a quick post about day1 reads. Especially if mcmc is reading this because I kinda share the opinion of him now. Awaclus probably likes this also? Anyways.

On day 1 I don't know if we should so openly give full read lists. As I think it doesn't help town that much but still can give scum info on who they might wanna nightkill or who they can push to lynch. On day2 and beyond I'm fine with read lists but I now believe they help scum more then town day 1

This is something I'm still trying to figure out actually. I used to play games and even on day 1 I would give an entire list of everyone grading them from 1-10 in scumminess. Then mcmc started telling me he doesn't think that list that early is useful and just is giving scum better ideas on who they could push next day and I might help them. I didn't agree with him at first but I think i'm starting to slowly agree with this thought process. And I said awaclus would like it too because I think he really supports this theory and basis some of his playstyle around it.

5) Agrees with Awaclus about reads list thing... and then votes Raptor for either no reason or something I am not getting.

on break so just a quick post about day1 reads. Especially if mcmc is reading this because I kinda share the opinion of him now. Awaclus probably likes this also? Anyways.

On day 1 I don't know if we should so openly give full read lists. As I think it doesn't help town that much but still can give scum info on who they might wanna nightkill or who they can push to lynch. On day2 and beyond I'm fine with read lists but I now believe they help scum more then town day 1

Even D2 and beyond, I think it's important to at least fabricate some of the crucial reads in your read list. Scum knowing your reads matters the most near the end game, when they're trying to decide who to keep alive for LyLo.

Old me would not believe that I would kinda agree with you here. But I'm starting to think your style is better then I first thought.

Vote: raptor

The vote for raptor was basically a. Hey my vote isn't doing anything much right now, was kinda still an RVS vote. Wanted to move it to someone I thought was kinda scummy.

Town Points:
- Effort put into the plan and the logic behind the reasoning of it.
- I guess pointing out the thing about reads lists early in the game.

Skum Points:
- All the doctoring plan stuff - Brought it up, obviously thought it through, then in the end just admits "oh yeah random would be better".
- The Raptor vote.
- Also, there is just something about their general need to appeal to other players this game that is throwing me off.

Vote: Hydrad

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« Reply #580 on: September 12, 2018, 06:32:06 pm »

once again bolding.

Why Hydrad is probably Skum - Part II:



This is the quote that I mentioned yesterday. Randomly voting Raptor with no real reason. It is not more interesting. This post is stamped 4 days to DL.

on break so just a quick post about day1 reads. Especially if mcmc is reading this because I kinda share the opinion of him now. Awaclus probably likes this also? Anyways.

On day 1 I don't know if we should so openly give full read lists. As I think it doesn't help town that much but still can give scum info on who they might wanna nightkill or who they can push to lynch. On day2 and beyond I'm fine with read lists but I now believe they help scum more then town day 1

Even D2 and beyond, I think it's important to at least fabricate some of the crucial reads in your read list. Scum knowing your reads matters the most near the end game, when they're trying to decide who to keep alive for LyLo.

Old me would not believe that I would kinda agree with you here. But I'm starting to think your style is better then I first thought.

Vote: raptor



From this point forward, they stay on Raptor - which was a dead wagon. They could of gotten on Town!Fang (which they stated a lot that they did not want to do), or they could of multiple times hammered, evened out the wagon, or helped Fang by voting Chairs (or at some points Eddie).

ok I'm actually not fully sure what posts you are talking about when you say 1.14 and stuff. sorry. So I'll do the best I can.

edit: part way through posting I realize this is vote counts.

@1.14 - Could of brought Chairs to L-1

I'm assuming this is when I said I just woke up since i see chairs is L-4 at that point. I guess I could be lying about it but I had not been able to read anything in the last 2 pages. I woke up, saw that like a page or 2 had been posted since I last checked, but would be late for work if I caught up there so I just made the quick post letting people know I would work on it

Edit: I now see this is vc1.14 so I'm just adding my thoughts. at the time I posted after vc1.14 chairs was made to L-1 before I got there. see next point for answer to why I didn't hammer.

@1.15 - Could of hammered Chairs

I'm assuming this is during my lunch break. Once again I guess you will just have to believe me. I was willing to hammer there, and I think I even said I was fine with it. Yes I realize saying is different then doing. But I noticed you hadn't had a chance to talk at all since 100ish or more posts had been made. I wanted to have the information of what you thought about this while it was happening if possible. Because as scum its much preferred to have people lynch eachother without you even having to state a read or anything on them because then people have less info on you at that point. So I wanted to hear what you thought about it so I could get a better read on you.

@1.16 - Could of brought Chairs to L-1 when the wagon was 4v4 on Chairs vs Fang

I was not able to look at this at anytime between 1.15 and 1.16

@1.17 - Same as 1.16

Same as above

@ Final VC - They have interacted for half of their posts in the whole game between 1.14 and End of Day. They could of helped their town read (Fang) multiple times but did not.

I got on about 5 minutes after the lynch went through. I know this can all be lied about and I don't really have any proof but for me I feel like I had one point where I could have voted chairs and that would have hammered him, which I would have done if I wasn't around before deadline, But I knew that I should be able to be there for deadline at least unless work somehow went super late. (which it did go 15 minutes late which has never happened before so I apologize for that since people were waiting for me at 30min before deadline and may have thought that I wouldn't make it)

Soooo. We are left with:
1) Town!Chairs, Town!Hydrad, Town!Fang - Def a possibility
2) Town!Hydrad, Town!Fang vs Skum!Chairs - Unlikely
3) Town!Chairs, Town!Fang vs Skum!Hydrad - Def a possibility

There are obv a bunch of options outside of this specific pool. So to narrow it down...

Do you think it was a town vs town wagon?
- If yes, then there is probably at least one skum off wagons
- If no, then we should lynch Hydrad/Awaclus/Chairs

Chairs narrows it down the most.
Awaclus is probably not the best lynch today.
Hydrad is the most likely to be skum.

These are your opinions and stuff so I can't really talk about these.

Vote: Hydrad

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« Reply #581 on: September 12, 2018, 06:51:35 pm »

Vote: chairs also.
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« Reply #582 on: September 12, 2018, 08:18:14 pm »

I’m here for a bit, but I doubt you are too interested in talking to me.

The only thing that concerns me about hydrad is he was willing to kill off chairs when it came down to it, but strongly against the Thief kill. I dunno, I guess I am just not putting Hydrad at the top of my current list right now.

They SAID they were willing to lynch Chairs. There is a huge lapse of time here.... like 4 IRL days with multiple hammer and defensive chances to go onto chairs. It would be one thing if they were on another viable wagon... but they were just sitting solo on Awaclus the whole time.

Well it wasn’t days ago he said he would hammer, it was only a few hours before the deadline where he told WCD and I (IIRC thr only people online at that time...?) I cant quote it easily on my phone, I will try to do it when I get home)

But it was only, like, an hour and a half before, and he did nothing because the deadline  ended sooner than when he said he would hammer (last few minutes)
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« Reply #583 on: September 12, 2018, 08:57:18 pm »

Deadline is in 2 hours a 19 minutes.

So as long as someone comes along...

Oh shoot. I didn't realize it was that close. That's 4 for me and I'm don't 3:30. I thought I would have at least an hour or too after work. I didn't think it was that soon. Thanks for reminding me. In the case I'll at least check on my phone at like 3:30 to post a hammer if I need too. Won't have enough to do big posts but I can hammer then

This is the one where he said he’d hammer at 30 minutes to DL. And while I totally understand work keeping someone away, the result of this was me switching to fang when I came back at 20 till DL.
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« Reply #584 on: September 12, 2018, 08:59:21 pm »


The point of which, I guess, is that while Hydrad want on the fang wagon he was still one of the folks responsible for it by virtue of not hammering chairs.
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« Reply #585 on: September 12, 2018, 09:26:14 pm »


The point of which, I guess, is that while Hydrad want on the fang wagon he was still one of the folks responsible for it by virtue of not hammering chairs.

ya thats kinda fair. And I feel bad for that happening.
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« Reply #586 on: September 12, 2018, 09:37:52 pm »


The point of which, I guess, is that while Hydrad want on the fang wagon he was still one of the folks responsible for it by virtue of not hammering chairs.

ya thats kinda fair. And I feel bad for that happening.

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« Reply #587 on: September 12, 2018, 10:50:39 pm »

@ Hydrad - responses picked up some town pts in my book. thanks.

(1.15,1.16, etc. were Vote Counts)

Can you please answer one more for me:

After checking in like multiple times and seeing the wagons - why did you not make a useful vote?
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« Reply #588 on: September 12, 2018, 10:59:11 pm »

Just want to mention this for today, but because there are 8 alive and 2 scum and we require 5 votes to kill, We need a fairly unanimous town to kill a scum. Fairly obvious, just seems like something to keep in mind.
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« Reply #589 on: September 13, 2018, 12:16:40 am »

Just want to mention this for today, but because there are 8 alive and 2 scum and we require 5 votes to kill, We need a fairly unanimous town to kill a scum. Fairly obvious, just seems like something to keep in mind.

Try not to think about it too much. Not really anything we can do about it.
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« Reply #590 on: September 13, 2018, 02:25:46 am »

@ Hydrad - responses picked up some town pts in my book. thanks.

(1.15,1.16, etc. were Vote Counts)

Can you please answer one more for me:

After checking in like multiple times and seeing the wagons - why did you not make a useful vote?

like I said above. When I was checking in. the person I wanted to vote was at L-1. so I would hammer if i switched my vote.
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« Reply #591 on: September 13, 2018, 02:32:18 am »

Vote Count 2.2

Hydrad (3): DatSwan, LaLight, chairs
chairs (1): Hydrad
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« Reply #592 on: September 13, 2018, 04:18:17 am »


I don't want to agree with you, Uncle, because you get all "she's buddying me" when I am not, but I also think LL is worth a second look.

I asked where LL got the info that Raptor was going to/might be replaced a post or two ago. He hasn't had a chance to answer yet.

But if LL is scum and Raptor is his scum sidekick, it would make sense that he was bothered by his absence more than the rest of us, maybe reached out to have him replaced, and also discouraged us from voting him just because he was MIA.

LL seems so town, but he's also very good at this game, so seeming town would be his jam, right? Am I being overly suspicious?

Read literally any game where I am scum. I don't seem town nowhere and always get lynched
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« Reply #593 on: September 13, 2018, 04:25:03 am »

I don't think it's THAT easy, but I kinda syre we will definitely lynch scum if we lynch Eddie/chairs in any order, and Hydrad/DatSwan in any order.
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« Reply #594 on: September 13, 2018, 04:25:33 am »

I don't think it's THAT easy, but I'm kinda sure we will definitely lynch scum if we lynch Eddie/chairs in any order, and Hydrad/DatSwan in any order.

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« Reply #595 on: September 13, 2018, 04:42:46 am »

Well it's definitely not that easy because we don't get to lynch Hydrad and DatSwan in any order if Eddie and chairs are both town.
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« Reply #596 on: September 13, 2018, 04:56:34 am »

Well it's definitely not that easy because we don't get to lynch Hydrad and DatSwan in any order if Eddie and chairs are both town.

I know, that’s a problem
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« Reply #597 on: September 13, 2018, 09:04:46 am »


Read literally any game where I am scum. I don't seem town nowhere and always get lynched

Good morning! I feel bad that you are alone now since our Europeans got axed.

I don't have a super lot of time to read old games- see my previous post lamenting that I do not live a life of luxury, but the one I did read (Asher's Gibli game), you were scum and won!  And I would have guessed you were town at any point. I'm not making an argument here, just noting that you are good at the game and I am, apparently, easily fooled.
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« Reply #598 on: September 13, 2018, 09:08:53 am »

so far the only person I’m giving a d2 pass to is wcd

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« Reply #599 on: September 13, 2018, 01:19:25 pm »


Thursdays are for offffffffice hours! Similar to the life of luxury only not nearly as comfortable and a lot more officey.

So, can someone please tell me how we should proceed. This is my first real D2 and I am not quite sure how to move forward. Any insight would be appreciated, especially if it goes beyond "lynch the scum, Didds!"

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« Reply #600 on: September 13, 2018, 04:13:55 pm »


Thursdays are for offffffffice hours! Similar to the life of luxury only not nearly as comfortable and a lot more officey.

So, can someone please tell me how we should proceed. This is my first real D2 and I am not quite sure how to move forward. Any insight would be appreciated, especially if it goes beyond "lynch the scum, Didds!"

All days are hard. But basically I think of it as another day but I have more info.

You can see what people wanted who dead. If a scum player got lynched you can see who may have been fighting it to keep that player alive or if town died you can see who was causing them to die. Now keep in mind these aren't be all end alls. They are just there to help you get more confident in a read.

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« Reply #601 on: September 13, 2018, 04:15:47 pm »

I will say my want to lynch list is probably between like chairs raptor and LL. I'm actually thinking datswan might be town. His points read to me as someone actually looking for scum and not faking a search.
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« Reply #602 on: September 13, 2018, 04:16:51 pm »

Actually thinking about it you can take LL off that list for now.
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« Reply #603 on: September 13, 2018, 04:21:11 pm »

Chairs' #dealwithit response to L-1 was rather interesting.  But the last minute Raptor swoop in was rather interesting as well.
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« Reply #604 on: September 13, 2018, 04:22:22 pm »


And Awaclus has yet to do anything that is actually helpful to any of us, yeah?
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« Reply #605 on: September 13, 2018, 04:50:36 pm »

Vote Count 2.3

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« Reply #606 on: September 13, 2018, 06:11:08 pm »

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« Reply #607 on: September 13, 2018, 06:12:01 pm »

Hi all!  Haven't really read anything, will hopefully get to it later today.
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« Reply #608 on: September 13, 2018, 06:41:46 pm »

Well this changes things.
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« Reply #609 on: September 13, 2018, 06:56:07 pm »

Can someone point me to the case on Hydrad?
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Can someone point me to the case on Hydrad?

last page I think i responded to the entire case in 2 big posts.
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« Reply #611 on: September 14, 2018, 04:05:44 am »


And Awaclus has yet to do anything that is actually helpful to any of us, yeah?

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #612 on: September 14, 2018, 04:06:25 am »

Vote: Eddie
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #613 on: September 14, 2018, 05:16:53 am »


And Awaclus has yet to do anything that is actually helpful to any of us, yeah?

Yeah I haven't really done anything that's actually helpful to either of you.

Are you normally this confident with your reads? In my experience town is a bit more cautious about these things when pride is on the line to pull out borderline taunting.

That makes me think you don’t have pride on the line.

Of course, maybe that’s just how you play.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #614 on: September 14, 2018, 05:30:50 am »


And Awaclus has yet to do anything that is actually helpful to any of us, yeah?

Yeah I haven't really done anything that's actually helpful to either of you.

Are you normally this confident with your reads? In my experience town is a bit more cautious about these things when pride is on the line to pull out borderline taunting.

That makes me think you don’t have pride on the line.

Winning is more important than pride.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #615 on: September 14, 2018, 06:29:40 am »

hi gkrieg! Nice to see you! Are you scum?
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #616 on: September 14, 2018, 06:29:59 am »


And Awaclus has yet to do anything that is actually helpful to any of us, yeah?

Yeah I haven't really done anything that's actually helpful to either of you.

Are you normally this confident with your reads? In my experience town is a bit more cautious about these things when pride is on the line to pull out borderline taunting.

That makes me think you don’t have pride on the line.

Winning is more important than pride.

ye olde argument about do you play to win or to have fun
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #617 on: September 14, 2018, 06:33:32 am »

there is something strange going on. Awaclus is constantly scumreading WCD but didn't vote at first and then voted for Eddie. This is unusual
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #618 on: September 14, 2018, 01:43:27 pm »


So, gkrieg, what is your sense of things? One of the arguments I've made is that we should be looking among the vets (Chairs, LL, Hydrad, DatSwan, Awaclus) since a vet likely engineered the demise of two of our fellow newbs.

I'm going wine tasting with the husband this weekend, so I'll be VLA until Sunday night, and if I am posting it will be from a wine-induced state and I am not sure it will be coherent. Such is the way of Texas wine, you see.  It tastes really good if you have enough...

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #619 on: September 14, 2018, 02:00:31 pm »

hi gkrieg! Nice to see you! Are you scum?

Nope!  Finally town!
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #620 on: September 14, 2018, 02:04:17 pm »

vote: DatSwan for being a bit too keen to avoid being scumread so early.

I like this guy!

Aggressive LaLight buddying.  I remember that being a town tell for him.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #621 on: September 14, 2018, 02:05:18 pm »

Hi hello well this is progressing quickly. I love it!

Initial reads, alphabetical order.
Uncleeurope: Softclaimed doctor and then took it back. Scum.

WestCoastDidds: Got a couch. Scum.


Ooohhhhh....a couch!  That would be far more comfortable than a coach. Like hyper said...coaches can read the QT and answer questions. I'm super new. I had never heard of Mafia until LL posted on Discord for new players last month. Since then, I have played once and Infang is right, there were no town deaths. Perhaps more importantly UncleEurope became known as Eddie. Who says he is a doctor, but not a Doctor. Wha???

vote: chairs which are like couches, only more singular.

I'm a she, or WCD, or whatever.

Seems slightly like nervous joking, but I don't know her style yet so IDK.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #622 on: September 14, 2018, 02:06:11 pm »

Hi everyone!

For those who weren't in NM12, I'm fine with he or they pronouns.

vote: Awaclus for doctor-hunting.

I wasn't asking if he was a Doctor, I was asking if he was claiming to be one. Asking people to clarify what they mean isn't PR-hunting.

Slight scum on Awaclus for looking at semantics this much.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #623 on: September 14, 2018, 02:08:30 pm »

My first game was dice mafia if I remember correctly. I don't remember the date that was but I think it was around 2014. I took a break for a couple years and recently came back so I'm familiar with most vets.

My town scale is obviously very town. Chairs basically has me as an IC so we are doing well so far.

My meta is generally kinda lurky or at least I'm not one of the top posters usually. But I'm working to get better at that.

My method of winning is to be average at the game. I usually end up being viewed as town so I don't get lynched. And I'm not the strongest players so scum usually don't night kill me. Which ends up in from my perspective being in a decent amount of 1v1s to win or lose the game.

So basically we have already won since I'm here.

Slight town on Hydrad based on this introduction.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #624 on: September 14, 2018, 02:09:58 pm »


Everyone seems so nice....it’s hard to wrap my mind around the fact that two of you are plotting to kill us! Gads!

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #625 on: September 14, 2018, 02:13:45 pm »

snip

DS talking about LaLight's scummy plan is very townie.  Obviously doctors protecting each other wasn't a huge concern I don't think.  Town goes to DatSwan.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #626 on: September 14, 2018, 02:14:58 pm »

There are more people pushing this idea than there are scum, therefore pushing the idea is not suspicious.

This is just untrue.  Saying you have a higher likelihood of pushing the plan as scum means that pushing the plan in suspicious, it just means that for someone that suspicion is unfounded.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #627 on: September 14, 2018, 02:15:51 pm »


Everyone seems so nice....it’s hard to wrap my mind around the fact that two of you are plotting to kill us! Gads!

Scummy from WCD.

How’s that? It seems like the whole point of the game is to make friends and work together...but two of the new friends are out yo get us! Right?  Still, I am admittedly more overtly friendly than average folks, at least based on what I’ve seen so far. Maybe it just hasn’t been ground out of me yet... If I stick around, friendly will definitely be part of my meta. I can be the LaLight of the West!
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #628 on: September 14, 2018, 02:17:00 pm »

If anything, vote: chairs

Here and the post before it give me a scummy read on LaLight.  Just starting to feel it.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #629 on: September 14, 2018, 02:21:27 pm »


Good morning!  I’ve got to get to work and teach a couple of classes but I’ll have a minute after that to catch up.

I appreciate infang, hydrad, and swan laying out pros and cons of having a plan. I’m cool with no plan or a plan or whatever. It just seemed notable that the town PR canceled each other and wondered if coordination was necessary. But I’m compelled that the chances of that are minimal, at least for the time being.

LL, if I’m reading scummy, that is 100% one of your previously noted off reads. I was more enthusiastic yesterday than the last time I played because, we’ll, last time I didn’t know the game had started because newb. This time I knew it was time to go!

You’ll laugh when you read my coaching qt. It has questions like “what is copped?” I’m hoping the coach will help make me more savvy. Also, I wouldn’t need a coach at all if I was scum because I’d have a partner. In fact, that might be a reason to squint at the newbs who eschewed the opportunity.

This reasoning that you wouldn't need a coach as scum is flawed, because you wouldn't have daychat with your partner.  This townslip looks fake to me though.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #630 on: September 14, 2018, 02:23:37 pm »

please, don't claim not a Doctor, this gives the scum an opportunity to PoE who doctors are. Also exactly this was the thing I have done as newb!scum once, so...

I'm gonna go back to vote: Uncleeurope

This is also scummy from LaLight.  I think the team is actually WCD/LaLight, with a slight chance of it being Awaclus as one of the two.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #631 on: September 14, 2018, 02:25:46 pm »

in case of Eddie it is a gut feel and not liking lying town in any way, WCD seems much more enthusiastical than I remember her to be and also she asked for a coach. Chairs is scummy for putting Awaclus on L-1 and disappearing. Also Raptor is lurking and this is his scum meta iirc

I am basically -always- going to disappear after I post, as my most-available times to post are right before bed and right before I leave for work. Case in point, I'm responding to what's happened while I was sleeping and will subsequently not be on for a big chunk of time. One of the reasons I play Mafia on f.ds is due to the longer cycles leading to my availability being less of an issue, and if you don't remember times when I've still been prodded / replaced for inactivity issues then we haven't played together enough.

I firmly believe putting Awaclus on L-1 was the right move and I suspect Awaclus would agree with me, actually - a big issue on D1 is generating meaningful interactions. We have 5 IRL days left of D1, and LOOK HOW MUCH CONTENT just got generated over that! We also didn't see a hammer, which if anybody other than you had posted before you did, would have made them feel Towny to me. The fact that you think putting someone at L-1 is scummy, however, makes me consider your response neutral (not scummy - I can see why you particularly, given your meta on this forum, would have felt like this was scummy, but you did just ruin a great opportunity for a newbie scum to stumble into an early hammer).

vote: uncleeurope for basically the same reason LaLight voted for him - not a fan of the not-Doctor claim, as much as I wouldn't be a fan of a Doctor claim here.

I am sincerely sorry, I know about your general availability. It is just putting people to L-1 is really dangerous. I don't know what good would derphammer of a newbie bring. I mean it worked in NM12, but it is not that guaranteed that both lynchee and hammerer are not town. I actually think we need to be more careful concerning this

Seems to be overly concerned here.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #632 on: September 14, 2018, 02:27:36 pm »

vote: lalight I’m into it. Also I’ve been up for 30 hours SAMA

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #633 on: September 14, 2018, 02:27:58 pm »

I do play NMs in a very other way than other games, I try to tell everything as widely as possible, and that's what your scumread on me indicates right now. I just try to be more newbie-friendly, I guess
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #634 on: September 14, 2018, 02:28:24 pm »

vote: lalight I’m into it. Also I’ve been up for 30 hours SAMA

first vote on a wagon is town, huh?
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #635 on: September 14, 2018, 02:29:10 pm »

I guess gkrieg is now there yet, but if I am scum with WCD or Awaclus, why would I open the wagon on infang, if there were wagons on chairs and Eddie?
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #636 on: September 14, 2018, 02:29:19 pm »

I guess gkrieg is now there yet, but if I am scum with WCD or Awaclus, why would I open the wagon on infang, if there were wagons on chairs and Eddie?

*not there
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #637 on: September 14, 2018, 02:29:51 pm »

at night when I thought everyone will scumread me because fang flipped town, I thought of this argument, so it's kinda prepared :)
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #638 on: September 14, 2018, 02:30:06 pm »

Also, I wouldn’t need a coach at all if I was scum because I’d have a partner. In fact, that might be a reason to squint at the newbs who eschewed the opportunity.

WestCoast, are you saying that you would have chosen 'no coach' if you had been scum?

Correct. I don’t know what the point of a coach would be if I had a partner QT to ask questions or strategize. The whole point of me having a coach is not to big down the game with my questions that are basic for Mafia players.

This post pings me as a potential scumslip... Can anyone see that?

If anything, it would be a townslip.  Scummy that you read it as a scumslip.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #639 on: September 14, 2018, 02:31:42 pm »

Also, I wouldn’t need a coach at all if I was scum because I’d have a partner. In fact, that might be a reason to squint at the newbs who eschewed the opportunity.

WestCoast, are you saying that you would have chosen 'no coach' if you had been scum?

Correct. I don’t know what the point of a coach would be if I had a partner QT to ask questions or strategize. The whole point of me having a coach is not to big down the game with my questions that are basic for Mafia players.

This post pings me as a potential scumslip... Can anyone see that?

If anything, it would be a townslip.  Scummy that you read it as a scumslip.

This is where confirmation bias starts
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #640 on: September 14, 2018, 02:34:15 pm »

what about if you were scum along with another newbie?

You caught a scumslip I was talking about!
I don't think there was a scumslip. Seemed like a very townie response to me.

Supertownie, that's me! So far my meta is that she is super townie.

Definitely not a scumslip. I hadn't thought much about if I had been scum and it had been with another newb that I might have still wanted a coach. That scenario (coach and partner) seems really complicated to me to manage (I am usually doing this on my phone so having many tabs open is hard). I have been a coach advocate since the idea was introduced. I was basing that desire off of the conversations the scum had in the previous game, which were really helpful for me to read in retrospect. As far as my coach, I like having a question-answerer and I am also liking getting to know someone in this community a little bit better without having to be suspicious of him. Iguanaiguana knows stuff, is awesome, and likes cats.

Awaclus....I can't say that I find him scummy one way or another, but I don't find him at all helpful. Which is not awesome. My vote is still on Chairs, based on his first post when he called us all scummy, which was sort of randomly assigned since it was really early on, but he has done nothing to cause me to move it. He is also not helpful. Not helpful is as close to scummy as it gets.

I find Swan helpful. LL somewhat helpful. Eddie and Fang helpful. That makes them townie for me.

Hyper, Raptor, and Hydrad....don't know.

This is a townie post from WCD.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #641 on: September 14, 2018, 02:34:35 pm »

I actually don't think gkrieg is scum at all, but he's just wrong. I have a different style, but it's both how I don't play as town or scum.
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« Reply #642 on: September 14, 2018, 02:35:05 pm »

vote: chairs
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #643 on: September 14, 2018, 02:35:16 pm »

That being said they are also pretty sharp, so you should think they are skummy for not realizing the obvious error in the Doctoring plan.

I maintain that there is nothing wrong with the Doctoring plan.

So why didn't Awaclus at some point say "guys, this plan gives too much info to scum, we need to go with the softer version". Because now he is claiming that the softer plan is what he was liking all along.

LaLight had already said the softer version out loud at that point. It's not productive to repeat to scum over and over again how the doctors are going to trick them by agreeing to a plan they're not going to follow, that defeats the entire purpose of the plan.

Seems unlikely to be both him and Awaclus, however.

Very unlikely that the scum is both me and chairs. The chances are 0%.

Awaclus is scum.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #644 on: September 14, 2018, 02:37:40 pm »

Regarding me being about to die, I would like to reiterate how the whole Doctor bit from the beginning followed by me claiming #NotaDoctor is not something a sane scum would do. (Or at least something I wouldn't do, a whole lot of information that gives you, I just gave subjective facts about myself, good job me, 10/10 defense)

I play a lot of these games IRL and negative information is a key component in all of them, eliminating options for the future in a way that has no guarantee to actually be helpful is foolish. Scum would want to hold into a scenario where you all think they are a doctor until challenged, I offered it willingly, because I was trying to clarify something to town. Information I found important. (It was stupid, though, Eddie. I mean, come on) Shut up.

Basically, while all of these actions could have been taken by scum, they would be bad, but taken by ton, they are slightly less bad. (But still bad) You're not helping.

Regarding me buddying Thief, fair. I have a problem with that, I always need friends in these games, so I do that a lot as both town and scum. (More subjective facts, stop it, Eddie, surely you got something better...) Also ironic that I am concerned with WCD's friendship of me...

I am kind of concerned about the ramifications of my death. When I flip town (Good job Eddie, tell the world that scenario with so much authority that it must be true, I'm sure they'll believe you) people might start targeting LL and I don't distrust the guy, I just think he is taking this gut reaction thing a bit too far.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Cube's point is slightly moot because hopefully Docs would claim before death, so anyone dying during a lynch would be pretty much scum or NT. Therefor any day lynches are "safe." But, hey, I am definitely the best townie to lynch right now. What a cheerful thought.

Okay, I'm done with the "trying and failing to explainify why I am a good guy" portion of the show. Because these bits hardly matter, don't they?

On to Awaclus, he seems completely uninterested in the voting process, just chilling with Raptor not even talking about other options, he is only in self-preservation mode. That's why I voted for him, he seems unconcerned with controlling the voting in any way, like he plans to just follow the voting around until a decision is made for him. Not a usual town behavior in my experience. (I thought you were done defending yourself?)

For this post?

I am now.

Townie post from Eddie.
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« Reply #645 on: September 14, 2018, 02:39:19 pm »

Gkrieg is doing work. Dang
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« Reply #646 on: September 14, 2018, 02:39:48 pm »

Mostly thinking I hate day 1 and that I’m eager to Lynch someone.

I'm stopping my reread here for now.  Need to do work stuff.
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« Reply #647 on: September 14, 2018, 02:40:50 pm »

that's awesome about gkrieg, because I felt like there's nothing really to talk about and kinda stalled
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« Reply #648 on: September 14, 2018, 02:40:57 pm »

I'm changing my idea on gkrieg/raptor. Don't think I wanna vote there atm
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« Reply #649 on: September 14, 2018, 02:41:16 pm »


Everyone seems so nice....it’s hard to wrap my mind around the fact that two of you are plotting to kill us! Gads!

Scummy from WCD.

How’s that? It seems like the whole point of the game is to make friends and work together...but two of the new friends are out yo get us! Right?  Still, I am admittedly more overtly friendly than average folks, at least based on what I’ve seen so far. Maybe it just hasn’t been ground out of me yet... If I stick around, friendly will definitely be part of my meta. I can be the LaLight of the West!

It may just be part of your meta, but it just reads as scummy to me based on the average meta.  Eevee does the same thing in every game he plays.
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« Reply #650 on: September 14, 2018, 02:42:07 pm »

I do play NMs in a very other way than other games, I try to tell everything as widely as possible, and that's what your scumread on me indicates right now. I just try to be more newbie-friendly, I guess

This argument is that you try to be more newbie-friendly, but you would do that as scum as well.  Not a fan of this defense.
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« Reply #651 on: September 14, 2018, 02:43:09 pm »

I guess gkrieg is now there yet, but if I am scum with WCD or Awaclus, why would I open the wagon on infang, if there were wagons on chairs and Eddie?

Correct that I'm not there yet.  Will look at it later.  The fact that you know that this happened though is ever-so-slightly scummy.  Hard tunnel going on from me right now.
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« Reply #652 on: September 14, 2018, 02:44:09 pm »

I guess gkrieg is now there yet, but if I am scum with WCD or Awaclus, why would I open the wagon on infang, if there were wagons on chairs and Eddie?

Correct that I'm not there yet.  Will look at it later.  The fact that you know that this happened though is ever-so-slightly scummy.  Hard tunnel going on from me right now.

Yeah, I even mentioned that as a prepared defence. I was sure the day will start on a quicklynch of me actually for that
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #653 on: September 14, 2018, 02:44:23 pm »

I actually don't think gkrieg is scum at all, but he's just wrong. I have a different style, but it's both how I don't play as town or scum.

Yup, literally everything you are doing right now just looks scummy to me.  Will need to take a break and come back.
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« Reply #654 on: September 14, 2018, 02:44:53 pm »

at night when I thought everyone will scumread me because fang flipped town, I thought of this argument, so it's kinda prepared :)

Are you more likely to prepare a response like this as town or scum?
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« Reply #655 on: September 14, 2018, 02:46:08 pm »

I do play NMs in a very other way than other games, I try to tell everything as widely as possible, and that's what your scumread on me indicates right now. I just try to be more newbie-friendly, I guess

This argument is that you try to be more newbie-friendly, but you would do that as scum as well.  Not a fan of this defense.

No, I was not overly friendly when I was scum in NM. I was mostly silent and was lynched
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« Reply #656 on: September 14, 2018, 02:49:35 pm »

at night when I thought everyone will scumread me because fang flipped town, I thought of this argument, so it's kinda prepared :)

Are you more likely to prepare a response like this as town or scum?

both I guess. Let me tell you how it worked. I was sure fang is scum, based on his (eventually not a) scumslip you will get to at some point. He flipped town and I was really upset about that fact mostly because we lynched an active newbie. And then I remembered that I started this wagon and that the next day people will hardpush me for a lynch. Then I remembered that I started this wagon when there were 2 other wagons and thought that if anything I can use this as a defense. Not more not less
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« Reply #657 on: September 14, 2018, 02:51:21 pm »

i ACTUALLY think I would not think about this as scum, because "I lynched townie, cool, let's carry on" and thought more about who to mislynch next or who is doctor or something else.
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« Reply #658 on: September 14, 2018, 02:52:09 pm »

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« Reply #660 on: September 14, 2018, 03:36:15 pm »


Everyone seems so nice....it’s hard to wrap my mind around the fact that two of you are plotting to kill us! Gads!

Scummy from WCD.

How’s that? It seems like the whole point of the game is to make friends and work together...but two of the new friends are out yo get us! Right?  Still, I am admittedly more overtly friendly than average folks, at least based on what I’ve seen so far. Maybe it just hasn’t been ground out of me yet... If I stick around, friendly will definitely be part of my meta. I can be the LaLight of the West!

It may just be part of your meta, but it just reads as scummy to me based on the average meta.  Eevee does the same thing in every game he plays.

Fair enough. I’d rather be friendly than not, so being misread for it may be frequent. In the previous game NM12, I think I was the same if you need reference and town, then, too.

This Eevee sounds like my kind of people! Like the anti-Awaclus?

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #662 on: September 14, 2018, 03:44:33 pm »


Everyone seems so nice....it’s hard to wrap my mind around the fact that two of you are plotting to kill us! Gads!

Scummy from WCD.

How’s that? It seems like the whole point of the game is to make friends and work together...but two of the new friends are out yo get us! Right?  Still, I am admittedly more overtly friendly than average folks, at least based on what I’ve seen so far. Maybe it just hasn’t been ground out of me yet... If I stick around, friendly will definitely be part of my meta. I can be the LaLight of the West!

It may just be part of your meta, but it just reads as scummy to me based on the average meta.  Eevee does the same thing in every game he plays.

Fair enough. I’d rather be friendly than not, so being misread for it may be frequent. In the previous game NM12, I think I was the same if you need reference and town, then, too.

This Eevee sounds like my kind of people! Like the anti-Awaclus?

I appreciate the work you’re putting in. It’s helping me learn more about where we go from here, because I feel pretty stuck.

Just so you know, I think it is really good that you are nice!  You should continue to do so even if I scumread you for it this game.
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« Reply #663 on: September 14, 2018, 04:46:47 pm »


Just so you know, I think it is really good that you are nice!  You should continue to do so even if I scumread you for it this game.

Aw, see....now I like you. And you can be the one that tells the tale in future games when I prove to be town. "Guys, not scum....just nice! She also tries to be funny, but you know....we all have challenges."
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« Reply #664 on: September 14, 2018, 05:23:27 pm »

Slight scum on Awaclus for looking at semantics this much.

I carefully worded my question in the first place to make it clear that I was asking him to clarify whether or not it was a claim, not asking him to claim. Of course I'm going to care about semantics if someone accuses me of doing exactly the thing I avoided doing by choosing the exact words that I chose.

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« Reply #665 on: September 14, 2018, 05:24:52 pm »

How’s that? It seems like the whole point of the game is to make friends and work together

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« Reply #666 on: September 14, 2018, 05:25:37 pm »

Awaclus is scum.

Wrong. Are you Eddie's scum partner?
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« Reply #667 on: September 15, 2018, 08:52:40 pm »

so. How is everyone?
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« Reply #668 on: September 15, 2018, 09:09:31 pm »

I guess gkrieg is now there yet, but if I am scum with WCD or Awaclus, why would I open the wagon on infang, if there were wagons on chairs and Eddie?

wow this is skummy lol

We don't know if WCD, Awaclus, Chairs, or Eddie are town or skum. How is this relevant?
Fang flipped Town.

Are you arguing that you should get town points because you picked to start a wagon on Town!Fang instead of unkown Chairs or Eddie?... and all that under the assumption of a potential skum partner in WCD/Awaclus?

Skum!LL would pick fang if they knew they were town.

I just don't get the point here.
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« Reply #669 on: September 15, 2018, 09:11:35 pm »

GK - Hydrad case. Thoughts? Didn't really get a response out of Raptor.
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« Reply #670 on: September 15, 2018, 09:58:09 pm »

I guess gkrieg is now there yet, but if I am scum with WCD or Awaclus, why would I open the wagon on infang, if there were wagons on chairs and Eddie?

wow this is skummy lol

We don't know if WCD, Awaclus, Chairs, or Eddie are town or skum. How is this relevant?
Fang flipped Town.

Are you arguing that you should get town points because you picked to start a wagon on Town!Fang instead of unkown Chairs or Eddie?... and all that under the assumption of a potential skum partner in WCD/Awaclus?

Skum!LL would pick fang if they knew they were town.

I just don't get the point here.

I assume his point is “why would I start a wagon on a third person when there would be a guaranteed town wagon already started?”

To which my response is, how would LL have known the thief train would have gone all the way to three station?

I dunno, I am very confused, and want Raptor’s new persona to finish up his recap just so I can attempt a read on him.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #671 on: September 15, 2018, 10:17:56 pm »

Vote: Eddie

Awaclus, what’s your thinking on Eddie?

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« Reply #672 on: September 15, 2018, 10:37:42 pm »

Well, you could start by expressing why you think I am shifty.
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« Reply #673 on: September 15, 2018, 11:14:06 pm »

Well, you could start by expressing why you think I am shifty.

Mostly all of the references to confusion.
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« Reply #674 on: September 15, 2018, 11:47:49 pm »

Kay I’m good with a Eddie lynch if i can’t get support for Hydrad
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« Reply #675 on: September 16, 2018, 12:36:45 am »

Kay I’m good with a Eddie lynch if i can’t get support for Hydrad

You would go Hydrad/Me over LL? I thought you suspected him?

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #676 on: September 16, 2018, 02:43:30 am »

GK - Hydrad case. Thoughts? Didn't really get a response out of Raptor.

Still haven’t gotten that far in my reread.
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« Reply #677 on: September 16, 2018, 02:55:49 am »

Kay I’m good with a Eddie lynch if i can’t get support for Hydrad

You would go Hydrad/Me over LL? I thought you suspected him?

Also, regarding my confusion being a scum-tell. That's fair, confusion is often utilized as a method for scum to have room to squirm.

I even thought about deleting the remark from my post for that reason.

I reiterate my previous notes about if I were a scum I would have to be a moron, these drawing unnecessary attention to myself, blah blah blah...

I would probably lean towards Awa or LL currently.

Awa's little logic train of "Didds is bad, thus Eddie is bad, thus gkrieg is bad," while humorous, lacks content. I dunno, man.

Well, you could start by expressing why you think I am shifty.

take a moment and come up with a set of reads on players that are just your own and not echos of other players. You don't have to share them, but you need to do it. Because right now you are either skum or lazy town... either way not a bad lynch.

I do suspect LL (but I suspect LL every game)
I would prefer Hydrad over anyone at this point
IMO opinion, at this junction, the pool you Hydrad/Eddie has more info+better skum chance+chance of actually happening opposed to some random/last minute skum pushed wagon.

Pick someone other than Awaclus - who is your top skum read?
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« Reply #678 on: September 16, 2018, 02:57:09 am »

GK - Hydrad case. Thoughts? Didn't really get a response out of Raptor.

Still haven’t gotten that far in my reread.

coolio. plenty of time. if you could lmk what you think when you get to it though
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« Reply #679 on: September 16, 2018, 02:58:11 am »

also, Eddie, Profile pic dude!
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« Reply #680 on: September 16, 2018, 08:13:37 am »

Kay I’m good with a Eddie lynch if i can’t get support for Hydrad

You would go Hydrad/Me over LL? I thought you suspected him?

Also, regarding my confusion being a scum-tell. That's fair, confusion is often utilized as a method for scum to have room to squirm.

I even thought about deleting the remark from my post for that reason.

I reiterate my previous notes about if I were a scum I would have to be a moron, these drawing unnecessary attention to myself, blah blah blah...

I would probably lean towards Awa or LL currently.

Awa's little logic train of "Didds is bad, thus Eddie is bad, thus gkrieg is bad," while humorous, lacks content. I dunno, man.

Well, you could start by expressing why you think I am shifty.

take a moment and come up with a set of reads on players that are just your own and not echos of other players. You don't have to share them, but you need to do it. Because right now you are either skum or lazy town... either way not a bad lynch.

I do suspect LL (but I suspect LL every game)
I would prefer Hydrad over anyone at this point
IMO opinion, at this junction, the pool you Hydrad/Eddie has more info+better skum chance+chance of actually happening opposed to some random/last minute skum pushed wagon.

Pick someone other than Awaclus - who is your top skum read?

To be fair to myself here, I was asking WCD to explain herself because I was starting to suspect her because she was “echoing” people without explaining her reasoning. I literally was confirming she had reasoning at all. If the lazy town comment is me wanting to wait for another player, it’s not to use their reads as much as get enough content to read them. But I dunno what the root of that comment is.

I feel as though I have been very open about my reasonings for my reads. And you acting as though I haven’t got them at all is weird. I genuinely haven’t got a response to that. I feel like I opened up the case on LL and have a “unique” take on Awa.

And if you must know, chairs might fit into my next pick. Not only were his actions erratic yesterday, but knowing his affiliation would be good for us.

If everyone wants hydrad to die I also wouldn’t be hugely opposed to his death, but I would be slightly opposed. He sits in the middle of my list, currently.
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« Reply #681 on: September 16, 2018, 08:17:44 am »

sorry guys, weekends. I will get to this tomorrow.
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« Reply #682 on: September 16, 2018, 08:51:12 am »

Iguana I can tell you my alignment: town!

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« Reply #683 on: September 16, 2018, 10:29:16 am »

Awaclus, what’s your thinking on Eddie?

If you're not his scum partner, why are you that interested in my thinking on him?
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« Reply #684 on: September 16, 2018, 10:31:32 am »

We don't know if WCD, Awaclus, Chairs, or Eddie are town or skum.

I know I'm town.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #685 on: September 16, 2018, 11:10:20 am »

Awaclus, what’s your thinking on Eddie?

If you're not his scum partner, why are you that interested in my thinking on him?

I was hoping that you might share your thinking so that we can lynch scum this time. With only six town left, we need to all be on the same page, it seems.

I’m liking Eddie, Chairs and Hydrad for scum. So you, me, swan, LL, and gkrieg all need to coalesce, yes?
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #686 on: September 16, 2018, 11:22:11 am »

I was hoping that you might share your thinking so that we can lynch scum this time. With only six town left, we need to all be on the same page, it seems.

Which is why it's important to make it as difficult as possible for scum to manipulate that.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #687 on: September 16, 2018, 12:16:28 pm »

Awaclus, what’s your thinking on Eddie?

If you're not his scum partner, why are you that interested in my thinking on him?

I was hoping that you might share your thinking so that we can lynch scum this time. With only six town left, we need to all be on the same page, it seems.

I’m liking Eddie, Chairs and Hydrad for scum. So you, me, swan, LL, and gkrieg all need to coalesce, yes?

Well this seems manufactured. Basically saying that 2/3 scum are in a pool and that the other five are going to be assumed as town for the purpose of this little plan is giving me a weird vibe.

Very easy for a scum to throw something like this together.

Options are important, and plans like these are limiting.

I might be overthinking this, but this jumped WCD up a few slots on my list. Don’t see how a town could have the confidence to do something like this.

And yes, I would be saying this even if I wasn’t in the baddie basket.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #688 on: September 16, 2018, 03:10:00 pm »


Gotta have confidence at this point about something. I still think we should be looking at a vet. I don’t think newbies could have engineered the double newb town deaths.

Eddie (by the way, your profile picture is EVERYTHING!) is not as interesting to me as Chairs or Hydrad, but the confusion and lack of position reads as shifty to me. It seems to me that you are trying to keep the game from moving forward and that is not town-friendly.

I’m also interested in gkrieg to finish his read.

But I think we have to start getting a productive wagon on scum. I’m not sure we have the luxury of too many more mislynches.
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« Reply #689 on: September 16, 2018, 06:41:59 pm »

I agree that someone needs to die today, I’m even fine with us moving forward without grief. I just find it dangerous to manufacture a system with that much rigidity.

Regarding the looking at a vet strat, I am highly uncertain.

Thief’s death reads as “unplanned” to me. Because of how late in the voting process his wagon started, I would assume there was little forethought to him being a newbie, and thus kill worthy.

I think the only way the Scum could have planned his death were if they were in the last few votes, but two newbs were the last two IIRC. Actually I think 3/5 newbies were voting for Thief.

Not saying it isn’t two vets, by the way. I just don’t think the deaths factor as much into player experience.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #690 on: September 16, 2018, 06:43:58 pm »

Glad there is lots of time before the deadline. On phone now and don’t do rereads on phone.
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« Reply #691 on: September 16, 2018, 07:21:11 pm »

I agree that someone needs to die today, I’m even fine with us moving forward without grief. I just find it dangerous to manufacture a system with that much rigidity.

Regarding the looking at a vet strat, I am highly uncertain.

Thief’s death reads as “unplanned” to me. Because of how late in the voting process his wagon started, I would assume there was little forethought to him being a newbie, and thus kill worthy.

I think the only way the Scum could have planned his death were if they were in the last few votes, but two newbs were the last two IIRC. Actually I think 3/5 newbies were voting for Thief.

Not saying it isn’t two vets, by the way. I just don’t think the deaths factor as much into player experience.

ok so this could just be me.

But I feel like you think scum really plans who to kill for the lynch. For me personally when I'm scum I'm not thinking in the night of who i'm going to lynch the next day. Basically my goals are try to not lynch my team and as long as that happens I'm happy.

Then again maybe there are other players that really plan out who they are going to lynch the next day. I'm just not one of them.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #692 on: September 16, 2018, 07:34:20 pm »


Vote: chairs

I’m just moving my vote off of Awaclus, but still reading and thinking, so I’m not sure it will stay here.

I’m not convinced Eddie isn’t scum, but I think it’s kind of awful for all the newbs to die first in a newb game.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #693 on: September 16, 2018, 07:38:25 pm »

I agree that someone needs to die today, I’m even fine with us moving forward without grief. I just find it dangerous to manufacture a system with that much rigidity.

Regarding the looking at a vet strat, I am highly uncertain.

Thief’s death reads as “unplanned” to me. Because of how late in the voting process his wagon started, I would assume there was little forethought to him being a newbie, and thus kill worthy.

I think the only way the Scum could have planned his death were if they were in the last few votes, but two newbs were the last two IIRC. Actually I think 3/5 newbies were voting for Thief.

Not saying it isn’t two vets, by the way. I just don’t think the deaths factor as much into player experience.

ok so this could just be me.

But I feel like you think scum really plans who to kill for the lynch. For me personally when I'm scum I'm not thinking in the night of who i'm going to lynch the next day. Basically my goals are try to not lynch my team and as long as that happens I'm happy.

Then again maybe there are other players that really plan out who they are going to lynch the next day. I'm just not one of them.

That’s my whole point, actually. WCD has been implying that because two newbies died the vets are to blame, I was saying that the likelihood of Thief’s death being planned is super low.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #694 on: September 16, 2018, 09:07:53 pm »

I agree that someone needs to die today, I’m even fine with us moving forward without grief. I just find it dangerous to manufacture a system with that much rigidity.

Regarding the looking at a vet strat, I am highly uncertain.

Thief’s death reads as “unplanned” to me. Because of how late in the voting process his wagon started, I would assume there was little forethought to him being a newbie, and thus kill worthy.

I think the only way the Scum could have planned his death were if they were in the last few votes, but two newbs were the last two IIRC. Actually I think 3/5 newbies were voting for Thief.

Not saying it isn’t two vets, by the way. I just don’t think the deaths factor as much into player experience.

ok so this could just be me.

But I feel like you think scum really plans who to kill for the lynch. For me personally when I'm scum I'm not thinking in the night of who i'm going to lynch the next day. Basically my goals are try to not lynch my team and as long as that happens I'm happy.

Then again maybe there are other players that really plan out who they are going to lynch the next day. I'm just not one of them.

That’s my whole point, actually. WCD has been implying that because two newbies died the vets are to blame, I was saying that the likelihood of Thief’s death being planned is super low.

Well, at least one vet to blame (scum) because I’m not scum and you and I are the only newbs left. So, if it’s you, you have a vet partner. If it’s not you and not me, it’s two vets.
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« Reply #695 on: September 16, 2018, 09:11:16 pm »

I agree that someone needs to die today, I’m even fine with us moving forward without grief. I just find it dangerous to manufacture a system with that much rigidity.

Regarding the looking at a vet strat, I am highly uncertain.

Thief’s death reads as “unplanned” to me. Because of how late in the voting process his wagon started, I would assume there was little forethought to him being a newbie, and thus kill worthy.

I think the only way the Scum could have planned his death were if they were in the last few votes, but two newbs were the last two IIRC. Actually I think 3/5 newbies were voting for Thief.

Not saying it isn’t two vets, by the way. I just don’t think the deaths factor as much into player experience.

ok so this could just be me.

But I feel like you think scum really plans who to kill for the lynch. For me personally when I'm scum I'm not thinking in the night of who i'm going to lynch the next day. Basically my goals are try to not lynch my team and as long as that happens I'm happy.

Then again maybe there are other players that really plan out who they are going to lynch the next day. I'm just not one of them.

That’s my whole point, actually. WCD has been implying that because two newbies died the vets are to blame, I was saying that the likelihood of Thief’s death being planned is super low.

Well, at least one vet to blame (scum) because I’m not scum and you and I are the only newbs left. So, if it’s you, you have a vet partner. If it’s not you and not me, it’s two vets.

Also, my argument doesn’t hinge on Fangs lynch being planned. It could have just been fortuitous that a newb has a oroductive wagon. But I am certain that the vets have been more skillful at avoiding votes and likely encouraging fangs demise either by encouraging the wagon or not showing up to allow the vet lynch (Chairs) to happen.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #696 on: September 17, 2018, 05:26:54 am »

I'm at work, so have time now!
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« Reply #697 on: September 17, 2018, 05:27:48 am »

I guess gkrieg is now there yet, but if I am scum with WCD or Awaclus, why would I open the wagon on infang, if there were wagons on chairs and Eddie?

wow this is skummy lol

We don't know if WCD, Awaclus, Chairs, or Eddie are town or skum. How is this relevant?
Fang flipped Town.

Are you arguing that you should get town points because you picked to start a wagon on Town!Fang instead of unkown Chairs or Eddie?... and all that under the assumption of a potential skum partner in WCD/Awaclus?

Skum!LL would pick fang if they knew they were town.

I just don't get the point here.

Why would I open a wagon, if there were already two wagons and if I am scum, there would be one guaranteed town?
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« Reply #698 on: September 17, 2018, 05:28:55 am »

I guess gkrieg is now there yet, but if I am scum with WCD or Awaclus, why would I open the wagon on infang, if there were wagons on chairs and Eddie?

wow this is skummy lol

We don't know if WCD, Awaclus, Chairs, or Eddie are town or skum. How is this relevant?
Fang flipped Town.

Are you arguing that you should get town points because you picked to start a wagon on Town!Fang instead of unkown Chairs or Eddie?... and all that under the assumption of a potential skum partner in WCD/Awaclus?

Skum!LL would pick fang if they knew they were town.

I just don't get the point here.

I assume his point is “why would I start a wagon on a third person when there would be a guaranteed town wagon already started?”

To which my response is, how would LL have known the thief train would have gone all the way to three station?

I dunno, I am very confused, and want Raptor’s new persona to finish up his recap just so I can attempt a read on him.

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« Reply #699 on: September 17, 2018, 05:30:17 am »

Awaclus, what’s your thinking on Eddie?

If you're not his scum partner, why are you that interested in my thinking on him?

I was hoping that you might share your thinking so that we can lynch scum this time. With only six town left, we need to all be on the same page, it seems.

I’m liking Eddie, Chairs and Hydrad for scum. So you, me, swan, LL, and gkrieg all need to coalesce, yes?

this is like ultrabuddying
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« Reply #700 on: September 17, 2018, 05:31:59 am »

I'd like to see a vote count
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« Reply #701 on: September 17, 2018, 07:07:58 am »

The traitor was still alive and well...

Vote Count 2.4

LaLight (1): chairs
Hydrad (1): DatSwan
chairs (3): Hydrad, LaLight, WestCoastDidds
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Not Voting (2): gkrieg, Uncleeurope

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 2 ends at Sep 19, 18:00 forum time. That is in 2 days and 10+ hours.

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« Reply #702 on: September 17, 2018, 07:09:32 am »

change raptor for gkrieg plz
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« Reply #703 on: September 17, 2018, 07:49:24 am »


I woke up with a super anti-Eddie feeling. It seems like he has spent the majority of the last few days trying to keep us spiraling under the guise of confusion. He defends Lalight, says Fangs lynch didn’t have a plan, etc but stops short of any real reads or forward momentum. I don’t see anything from what’s he’s said in the last few pages that is actually helpful.

Am I expecting too much? Or is that legit scum behavior?
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« Reply #704 on: September 17, 2018, 07:55:07 am »


this is like ultrabuddying

Ha! The idea that it is possible to buddy Awa at all is funny to me. I have come to accept that Awaclus is not going to actually chat about what he is thinking, but he does respond to direct questions. So, that is what I am trying to do with him going forward.

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« Reply #705 on: September 17, 2018, 07:57:57 am »


this is like ultrabuddying

Ha! The idea that it is possible to buddy Awa at all is funny to me. I have come to accept that Awaclus is not going to actually chat about what he is thinking, but he does respond to direct questions. So, that is what I am trying to do with him going forward.

He was not the only one in your post though
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« Reply #706 on: September 17, 2018, 08:15:54 am »

For what it’s worth the last page has me utterly convinced that wcd is scum. One reason is I’m not sure vet!scum would prioritize newbie deaths - I know I wouldn’t (I would’ve killed awaclus last night, I hate your play style, sorry dude)

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« Reply #707 on: September 17, 2018, 08:21:30 am »

For what it’s worth the last page has me utterly convinced that wcd is scum. One reason is I’m not sure vet!scum would prioritize newbie deaths - I know I wouldn’t (I would’ve killed awaclus last night, I hate your play style, sorry dude)

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« Reply #708 on: September 17, 2018, 08:21:50 am »

weird, right

fwiw I am almost 100% sure chairs is scum
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« Reply #709 on: September 17, 2018, 08:24:43 am »

I also think Hydrad or Eddie is his partner
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« Reply #710 on: September 17, 2018, 08:25:35 am »

For what it’s worth the last page has me utterly convinced that wcd is scum. One reason is I’m not sure vet!scum would prioritize newbie deaths - I know I wouldn’t (I would’ve killed awaclus last night, I hate your play style, sorry dude)

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #711 on: September 17, 2018, 08:47:42 am »

(I would’ve killed awaclus last night, I hate your play style, sorry dude)

It's understandable that scum would hate it.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #712 on: September 17, 2018, 09:53:28 am »

weird, right

fwiw I am almost 100% sure chairs is scum

Agreed. And also agreed with Hydrad or Eddie as the other.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #713 on: September 17, 2018, 09:55:50 am »

gkrieg, do you still think I am scum? What is your stance on chairs?
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #714 on: September 17, 2018, 10:05:25 am »

For what it’s worth the last page has me utterly convinced that wcd is scum. One reason is I’m not sure vet!scum would prioritize newbie deaths - I know I wouldn’t (I would’ve killed awaclus last night, I hate your play style, sorry dude)

I am not sure that vet!scum would prioritize newbie deaths, rather I am more sure that there are vets who are scum because of newbie deaths. It could well be that town lynched Fang. In fact most of that wagon looks town, most of whom were looking to avoid a no lynch. I am certainly among that town group, and I think raptor/(now gkrieg) was as well, and we were the last two and ultimately deciding votes. 

But then hypercube was killed. He was a new newb. So scum definitely had some sort of reason for wanting him out, and whatever it is that led to his ouster must have been more sophisticated than I can read. That he flipped doctor was shocking to me and made me think that the scum were waaaaayyyyy smarter and tuned into the game than I am. I'd have never guessed that.

I haven't done or said anything scummy. And I am trying hard to figure out a path forward where no more town, or innocent newbs, get waxed.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #715 on: September 17, 2018, 11:59:40 am »


I woke up with a super anti-Eddie feeling. It seems like he has spent the majority of the last few days trying to keep us spiraling under the guise of confusion. He defends Lalight, says Fangs lynch didn’t have a plan, etc but stops short of any real reads or forward momentum. I don’t see anything from what’s he’s said in the last few pages that is actually helpful.

Am I expecting too much? Or is that legit scum behavior?

This is unfair, I was the first person to bring a case against LL, and my “defense” of him is hardly relate to because I just knew what LL’s argument was, and thought it fair to explain it because he wouldn’t be able to for awhile.

I then immediately put why I disagreed with his argument.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #716 on: September 17, 2018, 12:31:38 pm »

weird, right

fwiw I am almost 100% sure chairs is scum

I like this post.

I also think Hydrad or Eddie is his partner

I am not so hot about this one. But what can you do I guess
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #717 on: September 17, 2018, 01:24:23 pm »

change raptor for gkrieg plz

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #718 on: September 17, 2018, 01:55:20 pm »

Hi chairs, when you're next online, could you answer a question for me:
Did you intend to incite an Awaclus wagon with your very first post in this game?

I did not.

Also, vote: uncleeurope

This vote on the opposing wagon seems scummy from chairs. I would expect him to drag his feet a little bit if he were town here.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #719 on: September 17, 2018, 01:59:07 pm »

Apologies - There are a lot of new players and I have not mentioned it this game - Weekends are essentially almost VLA for me most of the time in regards to content. I have a chance to keep up, but feedback is limited until Sunday evening normally.

That being said - I still think the Raptor wagon is weak af, so I have been doing read through's on those who are on him.

Let's start with the skummiest of my current vibes - Hydrad:

Hydrad:

1) This is them bringing up the doctoring claim idea, directly after they say they don't see a point in looking into it at this stage of the game.

hmm. Actually I can think of a way to make sure they don't target each other. We could do something like doctor chooses to heal someone either 1/2 or 3 spots below them on the signup list. The doctor gets to choose what number to use so that way if scum kill gets blocked they don't know what one was the doctor. But it also means that doctors won't be able to both target each other.

I actually kinda like that idea now that I'm thinking about it.


2) Promoting the idea again. Also, adding in the point that the doctors need to target exactly each other seems like a skum mindset.

but this actually saves us from the case when 2 doctors heal each other which is, well, unlikely. One can still heal the other and we'll have effectively 1 heal that night in this case. Better than 0, but still... I think healing whoever seems townier is a better choice

you have to remember the a doctor can still heal another doctor. its just both doctors can't heal each other.

So we don't even lose a heal in that scenario. The only way we lose a heal is if doctors both heal the same target if we do the 1-4 way.



3) Summary of the below - Hydrad points out that if it the sign up order has all doctors and all skum within the same 4 in a row (it could actually be 5 together, just to be clear), that Skum would not in fact gain any information. This is false - by setting the rules forward that contain the cops to the pools of 4 underneath they get the reverse logic to narrow the pool - also, there is the fact that this set up COULD happen, and then Skum would have (in this particularly small chanced world) less information then they normally would.... orrrrr we just do random and there are no odds. Which is what he ended up conceding to.

I'm fine with random if thats how we want it. But I would like to point out your theory has some flaws about how it can work.

I'll just make a super basic setup.

1. doc
2. doc
3. vt
4. vt
5. vt
6. vt
7. vt
8. vt
9. scum
10. scum

so in this scum could pick numbers 5-8. lynch 7. cop 6 and kill 8.


From here, it could go down a few ways:
a) NK target dies, Cop result is a VT - Skum now has learned Doctor is either Player 1 or Player 10. Bad for us.
b) NK target lives, Cop result is a VT - Skum now has learned a Doctor must exist within Player 1 or Player 10. They don't get the kill, but still worse then random.
c) NK target dies, Cop result is a Doctor - Skum gets a kill and knows who one of the Doctors are. Worse case scenario for us.
d) NK target lives, Cop result is a Doctor - Skum doesn't get a kill, but finds the Doctor. Worse than random.



4) Why post this? I have thought about it and I cannot see how putting this out there would "help" skum. Only thing I could think of was maybe the lack of stated reads/stating you may lie about your reads early on could be used later in the game. Still though, def would assume reads lists are more valuable to skum then not having them. So, I guess this is townish?

on break so just a quick post about day1 reads. Especially if mcmc is reading this because I kinda share the opinion of him now. Awaclus probably likes this also? Anyways.

On day 1 I don't know if we should so openly give full read lists. As I think it doesn't help town that much but still can give scum info on who they might wanna nightkill or who they can push to lynch. On day2 and beyond I'm fine with read lists but I now believe they help scum more then town day 1




5) Agrees with Awaclus about reads list thing... and then votes Raptor for either no reason or something I am not getting.

on break so just a quick post about day1 reads. Especially if mcmc is reading this because I kinda share the opinion of him now. Awaclus probably likes this also? Anyways.

On day 1 I don't know if we should so openly give full read lists. As I think it doesn't help town that much but still can give scum info on who they might wanna nightkill or who they can push to lynch. On day2 and beyond I'm fine with read lists but I now believe they help scum more then town day 1

Even D2 and beyond, I think it's important to at least fabricate some of the crucial reads in your read list. Scum knowing your reads matters the most near the end game, when they're trying to decide who to keep alive for LyLo.

Old me would not believe that I would kinda agree with you here. But I'm starting to think your style is better then I first thought.

Vote: raptor


Town Points:
- Effort put into the plan and the logic behind the reasoning of it.
- I guess pointing out the thing about reads lists early in the game.

Skum Points:
- All the doctoring plan stuff - Brought it up, obviously thought it through, then in the end just admits "oh yeah random would be better".
- The Raptor vote.
- Also, there is just something about their general need to appeal to other players this game that is throwing me off.

Vote: Hydrad

Here are you saying that Hydrad is likely to come up with a bad plan and push it even when he knows it's bad.  That doesn't seem very Hydrady to me.  I don't think he would put in that much work as scum, but could be wrong.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #720 on: September 17, 2018, 02:01:05 pm »

so yeah. I would still prefer Awaclus, but Hydrad would be my second.
Just so it is said - not a fan of no-lynch.
If I cannot rally support for Awaclus or Hydrad I will vote towards the end of DL on Chairs/Raptor/Eddie if those are still the only viable wagons.

Also, for the new players, when we get close to deadline, it is generally a favorable idea to state what your availability will be at that point.

I will be here for the 6ish hours up to deadline.

Basically just picked a random quote right after his rereads for this, but I would be incredibly surprised if DatSwan was scum.  This is some solid scum hunting with decent cases put together.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #721 on: September 17, 2018, 02:02:35 pm »

Gkrieg please keep in mind I have been phone posting the entirety of this game basically.

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #722 on: September 17, 2018, 02:03:46 pm »

I don't like DatSwan's reads. He particularly takes the most active players and bases his reads on them, this seems ike an easy things to do. Especially given that some of the reads are really stretched.

In other words OMGUS

I don't know if LaLight is more likely to point out his own OMGUS as town or as scum.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #723 on: September 17, 2018, 02:04:24 pm »

How did y'all lynch infangtheif!  They were so townie!
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #724 on: September 17, 2018, 02:07:25 pm »

so we have 2 major wagons. I don't think we should switch onto Raptor anyway, so people there should move their vote.

Slightly townie actually from LaLight.  I get the weird position of seeing people vote for me when I was lurking (a generally scummy move), but knowing I'm town.  So I guess I have a slight scum read on people who wanted to stay voting Raptor D1, and have to give slight town points to LaLight to not trying to push the lurker lynch that probably would've gone through.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #725 on: September 17, 2018, 02:08:09 pm »

so we have 2 major wagons. I don't think we should switch onto Raptor anyway, so people there should move their vote.

Why not switch to Raptor? Not enough time?

No. I may step on thin ice now, but i think Raptor requested replacement, so we should at least wait for someone else. This makes his inactivity NAI (not alignment indicative)

Oops, take back that last post.  This is something LaLight would do as any alignment...  sigh...
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #726 on: September 17, 2018, 02:09:00 pm »

Woof. The tunneling is real from fang. If I’m lynched today I encourage you to consider a fang Lynch tomorrow because that feels a lot like scum really trying to back up their mislynch.

This seems slightly townie from chairs.  I'm not sure scum!chairs would know that saying something like this is townie, so it doesn't seem fabricated.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #727 on: September 17, 2018, 02:10:35 pm »

Woof. The tunneling is real from fang. If I’m lynched today I encourage you to consider a fang Lynch tomorrow because that feels a lot like scum really trying to back up their mislynch.
Sure, they can consider it if they like. Only if you flip as town of course.
And no quick-lynching of course. The doctors may want some time to hear from people and work on their reads.

This is a weird post. It's like you believe chairs actually is town and think about how to come out townie the next day...

Of course, I'm aware that chairs may turn out to be town. The strongest case I have on him is "his play so far makes total sense from a scum point of view." See #372.

But at the same time, this post was to remind people that chairs would have been happy with a quick lynch day 1, which would have given the doctors no chance to get good reads.

Are you suggesting doctor reads are better than a nigh guaranteed lunch on scum D2?

If we weren’t so close to deadline I’d just drop my vote on you and leave it there.

But... This is mega scummy OMGUS right here.  Ever so slightly aggressive.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #728 on: September 17, 2018, 02:11:16 pm »

as much as I hate to vote for an active newbie, I think he actually slipped there. Let's try vote: fang and see how this will work out. We still have quite a lot of time till deadline

Scummy from LaLight.  As Robz pointed out in my most recent game, scum is more likely to look for scum slips
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #729 on: September 17, 2018, 02:13:03 pm »

Agreed.

Vote: fang

Along with LaLight starting the wagon, this is the scummiest vote there.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #730 on: September 17, 2018, 02:13:50 pm »

I will be popping in and out of functional connectivity at work as I’m mostly in a basement today. vote: fang

Also scummy vote.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #731 on: September 17, 2018, 02:14:48 pm »

Ok. Spent my 15 min on just catching up on the last 2 pages. So much good content and now I'm sad I don't have enough time to talk about some things I wanted. In like 2 hours I'll be on my lunch and should actually have time to talk.

Right now I'll say I'm not sold on fangs wagon yet. He was probably the person I was town reading the hardest so I would rather someone else if possible. Either way I will be back in like 2 with hopefully more posts

If Hydrad votes fang before the end of this day, he is scum.  Still haven't read to that point@
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #732 on: September 17, 2018, 02:16:28 pm »

I am concerned with this shakeup right before death day. A lot of people seem to be switching their vote while implying that changing it will be improbable.

Feels like the vote is being held hostage.

I similarly am not a fan of the Thief kill at this moment. I would actually prefer the chairs kill. Because almost nothing has been said regarding Thief we can’t pull as much information if he flips town, either. At least that’s my understanding.

How is it that I have been waiting for this day for forever but now think it has come too quickly.

I will be available for longer here so when I Vote: chairs it is just to be a place holder.

I don't think Eddie has a reason to make this vote if he knows Fang is town.  Puts pressure back on the chairs wagon.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #733 on: September 17, 2018, 02:17:34 pm »

what if chairs is the Fang's partner who wanted to bus but then saw that wagon is growing and left it :thonk:

As I remember conspiracy theory LaLight is town!LaLight.  I really don't want him to be town though.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #734 on: September 17, 2018, 02:18:47 pm »

But golly, I wish the folks on him were different.

Swaaaaannnn....where are you?! Hydrad???

Townie here from WCD
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #735 on: September 17, 2018, 02:20:09 pm »

A reference to the epic 80’s classic Top Gun.

I just wanted to hear what you were thinking...

There are to many things I'm thinking about I feel like. And I only have 10 minutes on lunch left. I'll be done work in 2 hours and 30 min though if the day is still going.

But if your wondering who I'm thinking for the lynch it's easily chairs. Well actually not easily. I think there are like 2 others I have above him but if we are comparing him to fang I will lynch chairs

Very wishy washy here.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #736 on: September 17, 2018, 02:20:57 pm »

I think chairs should claim at this point

Looking for early claims.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #737 on: September 17, 2018, 02:21:49 pm »

Was possibly a fake hammer to try to get me to slip up but as I’m Town it wouldn’t have worked. Does lean me a little Town on Awaclus.

Doesn't convince me of townieness.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #738 on: September 17, 2018, 02:23:03 pm »

I think scum is content with the chairs lynch, which makes fang even scummier

Why were you so against the chairs lynch?  You had a really good chance to get the lynch to go through at this point by switching to chairs.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #739 on: September 17, 2018, 02:27:43 pm »

infangthief has been lynched. They were Jake, a Vanilla Townie!

Night 1 starts now and will end at Sep 11, 18:00 forum time. That is in 24 hours. Night actions are due in 23 hours.

Ok end of the day:

Still on the fence about LaLight.  Datswan was to me the towniest person from the day.  WCD I lean townie on now.

Eddie IDK, chairs is scummy, especially from the resistance his wagon got.  If he is scum, LaLight is his partner I think.  Also if he is scum and we lynch him today, scum will definitely bus him.

Hydrad seemed townie, Awaclus is crazy antitown for voting WCD then leaving.  Possibly knew they were both town wagons and wanted to not be on the mislynch?  Seems unlikely though.

I could see chairs/LaLight, chairs/Eddie.  Still need to reread D2, but this is probably where I stop for now.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #740 on: September 17, 2018, 02:28:07 pm »

Gkrieg please keep in mind I have been phone posting the entirety of this game basically.

What does that change?
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #741 on: September 17, 2018, 02:31:51 pm »

as much as I hate to vote for an active newbie, I think he actually slipped there. Let's try vote: fang and see how this will work out. We still have quite a lot of time till deadline

Scummy from LaLight.  As Robz pointed out in my most recent game, scum is more likely to look for scum slips

I am sorry, but fang said that chairs will definitely flip town at that point. However townie he may seem, this looked really bad
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #742 on: September 17, 2018, 02:32:34 pm »

so we have 2 major wagons. I don't think we should switch onto Raptor anyway, so people there should move their vote.

Why not switch to Raptor? Not enough time?

No. I may step on thin ice now, but i think Raptor requested replacement, so we should at least wait for someone else. This makes his inactivity NAI (not alignment indicative)

Oops, take back that last post.  This is something LaLight would do as any alignment...  sigh...

I could still open the wagon on lurker, I didn't do that whatever the reason
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #743 on: September 17, 2018, 02:33:03 pm »

what if chairs is the Fang's partner who wanted to bus but then saw that wagon is growing and left it :thonk:

As I remember conspiracy theory LaLight is town!LaLight.  I really don't want him to be town though.

This is just mean, hey!
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #744 on: September 17, 2018, 02:33:54 pm »

I think scum is content with the chairs lynch, which makes fang even scummier

Why were you so against the chairs lynch?  You had a really good chance to get the lynch to go through at this point by switching to chairs.

after fang said chairs' gonna flip scum I was sure fang is scum and chairs therefore is town. There was little time, and this was my final decision for a day
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« Reply #745 on: September 17, 2018, 02:34:43 pm »

I think chairs should claim at this point

Looking for early claims.

The what? He was at L-1 there
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #746 on: September 17, 2018, 02:36:42 pm »

scumreading town!me gkrieg is usually scum!gkrieg, though I, personally, don't want him to be scum
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #747 on: September 17, 2018, 02:37:27 pm »

Gkrieg please keep in mind I have been phone posting the entirety of this game basically.

What does that change?

Mostly it means I can’t go back and review posts as I am posting, also I tend to be more stream of consciousness on my phone.

Also you said something about me being aggressive - that’s intentional. I’m trying to break my meta of being passive and bored D1 by being aggressive to see how people react. It’s been interesting. I won’t mind too terribly much if it leads to me getting lunched.

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« Reply #748 on: September 17, 2018, 02:38:58 pm »

I think scum is content with the chairs lynch, which makes fang even scummier

Why were you so against the chairs lynch?  You had a really good chance to get the lynch to go through at this point by switching to chairs.

after fang said chairs' gonna flip scum I was sure fang is scum and chairs therefore is town. There was little time, and this was my final decision for a day

now knowing fang was town i regret the decision to not lynch chairs and I'm on him
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« Reply #749 on: September 17, 2018, 02:41:45 pm »

I won’t mind too terribly much if it leads to me getting lunched.

This is basically a vt claim for no reason
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #750 on: September 17, 2018, 02:42:29 pm »

Gonna be really awkward when fang was right and I flip town, but then that’s what you want right? Scummy scum scum :P

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« Reply #751 on: September 17, 2018, 02:43:15 pm »

Gonna be really awkward when fang was right and I flip town, but then that’s what you want right? Scummy scum scum :P

well I don't think you gonna
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« Reply #752 on: September 17, 2018, 02:44:44 pm »

Well of course you don’t think I’m gonna. You KNOW I’m gonna! Very different scenarios.

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« Reply #753 on: September 17, 2018, 02:49:32 pm »

Well of course you don’t think I’m gonna. You KNOW I’m gonna! Very different scenarios.

but I don't, oh my god
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« Reply #754 on: September 17, 2018, 02:51:23 pm »

LaLight confirmed Town. The frustration is real.

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« Reply #755 on: September 17, 2018, 04:01:53 pm »

I won’t mind too terribly much if it leads to me getting lunched.

This is basically a vt claim for no reason

It wasn't really until you pointed it out.
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« Reply #756 on: September 17, 2018, 04:02:41 pm »

scumreading town!me gkrieg is usually scum!gkrieg, though I, personally, don't want him to be scum

?  I said that I think you are probably town at this point.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #757 on: September 17, 2018, 04:05:04 pm »

Still need to reread D2, but losing steam at this point.  I'm like fairly certain that this is scum!chairs too, so
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Also I think that scum killed newbies probably because they thought they were least likely to be protected and didn't want to miss a kill.  I see no other reason that hypercube was killed last night.
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« Reply #758 on: September 17, 2018, 04:05:15 pm »

L-1
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #759 on: September 17, 2018, 04:16:49 pm »

Eh, more like this is chairs finally getting on antidepressants but that’s okay it’ll take a few games to get used to me this way :) 8)

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« Reply #760 on: September 17, 2018, 04:19:56 pm »

Eh, more like this is chairs finally getting on antidepressants but that’s okay it’ll take a few games to get used to me this way :) 8)

I'm very happy for you personally!  (note that only a very small part of my read on you is meta related)

Still think you have been scummy in the game!
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« Reply #761 on: September 17, 2018, 04:34:04 pm »

Eh, more like this is chairs finally getting on antidepressants but that’s okay it’ll take a few games to get used to me this way :) 8)

Good for you!!
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« Reply #762 on: September 17, 2018, 04:46:07 pm »

... but who was it?!?

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WestCoastDidds (1): chairs
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« Reply #763 on: September 17, 2018, 04:56:15 pm »

Thoughts on me slamming chairs into the dirt? Anyone?
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #764 on: September 17, 2018, 04:58:43 pm »

Thoughts on me slamming chairs into the dirt? Anyone?

What are your thoughts on chairs?  What makes you sure he should be the lynch today?
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #765 on: September 17, 2018, 05:08:38 pm »

I think knowing his role gives us a lot more information about day one.

I think his maneuvers in voting near the end could be seen as desperation.

My main concern is his wagon is extremely easy.
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« Reply #766 on: September 17, 2018, 05:14:31 pm »

I think knowing his role gives us a lot more information about day one.

I think his maneuvers in voting near the end could be seen as desperation.

My main concern is his wagon is extremely easy.

None of those reasons seems strong enough to warrant a hammer.  Do you think he is scum?  Is desperation something more likely to happen as scum than as town?  If he flips scum, what information would that give about day one?  If he flips town, what information would that give about day one?

How has his wagon been extremely easy?  Is an easy wagon more likely to be on town or on scum?  why?  Do you think there is likely to be scum on his wagon?  Would his partner bus him if he were scum, making the wagon seem easier?
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« Reply #767 on: September 17, 2018, 05:15:51 pm »

Sorry about all the questions, I just think they are important to think about and will allow (or force) you to suss out your thoughts a little more.  This will make it easier to read you in the future and make it difficult for you to hammer and then try to not take responsibility for it later if he does flip town.
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« Reply #768 on: September 17, 2018, 05:18:56 pm »

Ooo scum point for gkrieg

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #769 on: September 17, 2018, 05:19:50 pm »

(Teasing)

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« Reply #770 on: September 17, 2018, 05:27:14 pm »

Thoughts on me slamming chairs into the dirt? Anyone?

Go ahead.
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« Reply #771 on: September 17, 2018, 05:39:45 pm »

Thoughts on me slamming chairs into the dirt? Anyone?

Go ahead.

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« Reply #772 on: September 17, 2018, 05:40:36 pm »

To be clear I unvoted because I want Eddie to answer my questions before anyone hammers and Awaclus is not on chairs at the moment.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #773 on: September 17, 2018, 06:06:35 pm »

Awaclus you have been very quiet today though. Although I think I know the answer already how do you feel about chairs. Is he near the top of your list?
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« Reply #774 on: September 17, 2018, 06:37:49 pm »

Awaclus you have been very quiet today though. Although I think I know the answer already how do you feel about chairs. Is he near the top of your list?

He's definitely in the top 10.
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« Reply #775 on: September 17, 2018, 06:41:59 pm »

Thoughts on me slamming chairs into the dirt? Anyone?

Go ahead.

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Why are you so insistent on staying off of lynch wagons?

I didn't mean to stay off of the lynch wagon yesterday, but someone got lynched while I was doing something else. In this case, I don't necessarily want to stay off of the lynch wagon, I just don't feel like voting for chairs at the moment.
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« Reply #776 on: September 17, 2018, 06:42:50 pm »

Although I guess I could convince myself to feel like it if necessary. Vote: chairs
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« Reply #777 on: September 17, 2018, 06:43:09 pm »

Thoughts on me slamming chairs into the dirt? Anyone?

Go ahead.

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Why are you so insistent on staying off of lynch wagons?

I didn't mean to stay off of the lynch wagon yesterday, but someone got lynched while I was doing something else. In this case, I don't necessarily want to stay off of the lynch wagon, I just don't feel like voting for chairs at the moment.

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #778 on: September 17, 2018, 06:47:57 pm »

Chairs is not at the top of my list, I’ll tell you that. And I would 100% use that as a cop-out if he flipped town. He seems to be the favorite from everyone else, though. And I know last game I played I was t feeling the Jester kill but went with it anyway and he flipped maf, so I am willing to join the wagon if it is what town wants.

Of course I would only say that if I agreed with other people’s beliefs regarding chairs.

In response to his wagon being easy, I haven’t heard anyone be against his death, that signals to me that the scummies might be just as pushy as townies when it comes to his demise. Does that mean that he’s town? No, just that it’s weird.
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« Reply #779 on: September 17, 2018, 06:56:53 pm »

Chairs is not at the top of my list, I’ll tell you that. And I would 100% use that as a cop-out if he flipped town. He seems to be the favorite from everyone else, though. And I know last game I played I was t feeling the Jester kill but went with it anyway and he flipped maf, so I am willing to join the wagon if it is what town wants.

Of course I would only say that if I agreed with other people’s beliefs regarding chairs.

In response to his wagon being easy, I haven’t heard anyone be against his death, that signals to me that the scummies might be just as pushy as townies when it comes to his demise. Does that mean that he’s town? No, just that it’s weird.

Doing something just because town wants it when we still have quite a bit of time before the deadline is scummy.  If chairs is not at the top of your list, make a case on why the person at the top of your list is scummier than chairs.  What do we have wrong about chairs (I have made some points in my previous posts)?

I can see why you think not having any opposition to the wagon is weird, but do you think it is more likely to happen if chairs is town or scum?
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« Reply #780 on: September 17, 2018, 07:00:16 pm »

Was that hammer?
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« Reply #781 on: September 17, 2018, 07:14:01 pm »

Thoughts on me slamming chairs into the dirt? Anyone?

Go ahead.

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Why are you so insistent on staying off of lynch wagons?

I didn't mean to stay off of the lynch wagon yesterday, but someone got lynched while I was doing something else. In this case, I don't necessarily want to stay off of the lynch wagon, I just don't feel like voting for chairs at the moment.

Why would you not want to vote for chairs but want to convince others to do so?

Me voting for chairs doesn't tell me whether or not Eddie is willing to do so.
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« Reply #782 on: September 17, 2018, 07:14:47 pm »

Guys i don’t see why we are doing chairs over hydrad
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« Reply #783 on: September 17, 2018, 07:20:53 pm »

Chairs is not at the top of my list, I’ll tell you that. And I would 100% use that as a cop-out if he flipped town. He seems to be the favorite from everyone else, though. And I know last game I played I was t feeling the Jester kill but went with it anyway and he flipped maf, so I am willing to join the wagon if it is what town wants.

Of course I would only say that if I agreed with other people’s beliefs regarding chairs.

In response to his wagon being easy, I haven’t heard anyone be against his death, that signals to me that the scummies might be just as pushy as townies when it comes to his demise. Does that mean that he’s town? No, just that it’s weird.

Doing something just because town wants it when we still have quite a bit of time before the deadline is scummy.  If chairs is not at the top of your list, make a case on why the person at the top of your list is scummier than chairs.  What do we have wrong about chairs (I have made some points in my previous posts)?

I can see why you think not having any opposition to the wagon is weird, but do you think it is more likely to happen if chairs is town or scum?

I agree, if I hammer based on popular opinion, it’d be scummy.

And my opinion on Awaclus is ignored due to his inability to play the game normally ever. (Apparently)

I could restate it again, but people don’t seem all that interested in him right now, even you called him scum but choose to trust him over certain people.

LL is my other suspect. Worst case scenario, though, a town chairs gives us more info than a town LL.

Knowing day one was a town/town split would be beneficial in knowing the significance of the vote-switches, as well as the wagon ignorers. So I see the appeal of a chairs lynch.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #784 on: September 17, 2018, 07:37:19 pm »

Thoughts on me slamming chairs into the dirt? Anyone?

Go ahead.

unvote

Why are you so insistent on staying off of lynch wagons?

I didn't mean to stay off of the lynch wagon yesterday, but someone got lynched while I was doing something else. In this case, I don't necessarily want to stay off of the lynch wagon, I just don't feel like voting for chairs at the moment.

Why would you not want to vote for chairs but want to convince others to do so?

Me voting for chairs doesn't tell me whether or not Eddie is willing to do so.

You know your answer doesn't address the actual question I asked.

vote: Awaclus
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« Reply #785 on: September 17, 2018, 07:38:29 pm »

Thoughts on me slamming chairs into the dirt? Anyone?

Go ahead.

unvote

Why are you so insistent on staying off of lynch wagons?

I didn't mean to stay off of the lynch wagon yesterday, but someone got lynched while I was doing something else. In this case, I don't necessarily want to stay off of the lynch wagon, I just don't feel like voting for chairs at the moment.

Why would you not want to vote for chairs but want to convince others to do so?

Me voting for chairs doesn't tell me whether or not Eddie is willing to do so.

You know your answer doesn't address the actual question I asked.

vote: Awaclus

You know it does.

Vote: gkrieg
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #786 on: September 17, 2018, 11:49:21 pm »

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« Reply #787 on: September 18, 2018, 02:08:45 am »

this is weird

sorry just woke up I'll be here in 2-3 hrs
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« Reply #788 on: September 18, 2018, 03:21:30 am »

I guess gkrieg is now there yet, but if I am scum with WCD or Awaclus, why would I open the wagon on infang, if there were wagons on chairs and Eddie?

wow this is skummy lol

We don't know if WCD, Awaclus, Chairs, or Eddie are town or skum. How is this relevant?
Fang flipped Town.

Are you arguing that you should get town points because you picked to start a wagon on Town!Fang instead of unkown Chairs or Eddie?... and all that under the assumption of a potential skum partner in WCD/Awaclus?

Skum!LL would pick fang if they knew they were town.

I just don't get the point here.

Why would I open a wagon, if there were already two wagons and if I am scum, there would be one guaranteed town?

is this a joke?
I am not going to waste the space in thread explaining why diverse wagons on early days favor skum unless you really really actually need me to.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #789 on: September 18, 2018, 03:33:12 am »

Apologies - There are a lot of new players and I have not mentioned it this game - Weekends are essentially almost VLA for me most of the time in regards to content. I have a chance to keep up, but feedback is limited until Sunday evening normally.

That being said - I still think the Raptor wagon is weak af, so I have been doing read through's on those who are on him.

Let's start with the skummiest of my current vibes - Hydrad:

Hydrad:

1) This is them bringing up the doctoring claim idea, directly after they say they don't see a point in looking into it at this stage of the game.

hmm. Actually I can think of a way to make sure they don't target each other. We could do something like doctor chooses to heal someone either 1/2 or 3 spots below them on the signup list. The doctor gets to choose what number to use so that way if scum kill gets blocked they don't know what one was the doctor. But it also means that doctors won't be able to both target each other.

I actually kinda like that idea now that I'm thinking about it.


2) Promoting the idea again. Also, adding in the point that the doctors need to target exactly each other seems like a skum mindset.

but this actually saves us from the case when 2 doctors heal each other which is, well, unlikely. One can still heal the other and we'll have effectively 1 heal that night in this case. Better than 0, but still... I think healing whoever seems townier is a better choice

you have to remember the a doctor can still heal another doctor. its just both doctors can't heal each other.

So we don't even lose a heal in that scenario. The only way we lose a heal is if doctors both heal the same target if we do the 1-4 way.



3) Summary of the below - Hydrad points out that if it the sign up order has all doctors and all skum within the same 4 in a row (it could actually be 5 together, just to be clear), that Skum would not in fact gain any information. This is false - by setting the rules forward that contain the cops to the pools of 4 underneath they get the reverse logic to narrow the pool - also, there is the fact that this set up COULD happen, and then Skum would have (in this particularly small chanced world) less information then they normally would.... orrrrr we just do random and there are no odds. Which is what he ended up conceding to.

I'm fine with random if thats how we want it. But I would like to point out your theory has some flaws about how it can work.

I'll just make a super basic setup.

1. doc
2. doc
3. vt
4. vt
5. vt
6. vt
7. vt
8. vt
9. scum
10. scum

so in this scum could pick numbers 5-8. lynch 7. cop 6 and kill 8.


From here, it could go down a few ways:
a) NK target dies, Cop result is a VT - Skum now has learned Doctor is either Player 1 or Player 10. Bad for us.
b) NK target lives, Cop result is a VT - Skum now has learned a Doctor must exist within Player 1 or Player 10. They don't get the kill, but still worse then random.
c) NK target dies, Cop result is a Doctor - Skum gets a kill and knows who one of the Doctors are. Worse case scenario for us.
d) NK target lives, Cop result is a Doctor - Skum doesn't get a kill, but finds the Doctor. Worse than random.



4) Why post this? I have thought about it and I cannot see how putting this out there would "help" skum. Only thing I could think of was maybe the lack of stated reads/stating you may lie about your reads early on could be used later in the game. Still though, def would assume reads lists are more valuable to skum then not having them. So, I guess this is townish?

on break so just a quick post about day1 reads. Especially if mcmc is reading this because I kinda share the opinion of him now. Awaclus probably likes this also? Anyways.

On day 1 I don't know if we should so openly give full read lists. As I think it doesn't help town that much but still can give scum info on who they might wanna nightkill or who they can push to lynch. On day2 and beyond I'm fine with read lists but I now believe they help scum more then town day 1




5) Agrees with Awaclus about reads list thing... and then votes Raptor for either no reason or something I am not getting.

on break so just a quick post about day1 reads. Especially if mcmc is reading this because I kinda share the opinion of him now. Awaclus probably likes this also? Anyways.

On day 1 I don't know if we should so openly give full read lists. As I think it doesn't help town that much but still can give scum info on who they might wanna nightkill or who they can push to lynch. On day2 and beyond I'm fine with read lists but I now believe they help scum more then town day 1

Even D2 and beyond, I think it's important to at least fabricate some of the crucial reads in your read list. Scum knowing your reads matters the most near the end game, when they're trying to decide who to keep alive for LyLo.

Old me would not believe that I would kinda agree with you here. But I'm starting to think your style is better then I first thought.

Vote: raptor


Town Points:
- Effort put into the plan and the logic behind the reasoning of it.
- I guess pointing out the thing about reads lists early in the game.

Skum Points:
- All the doctoring plan stuff - Brought it up, obviously thought it through, then in the end just admits "oh yeah random would be better".
- The Raptor vote.
- Also, there is just something about their general need to appeal to other players this game that is throwing me off.

Vote: Hydrad

Here are you saying that Hydrad is likely to come up with a bad plan and push it even when he knows it's bad.  That doesn't seem very Hydrady to me.  I don't think he would put in that much work as scum, but could be wrong.

I am saying that the line between "good and bad" can be argued to a very thin margin. Which is the type of plan skum likes to promote because if it goes ass up they can use said point as a back out.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #790 on: September 18, 2018, 03:34:11 am »

I have my desktop back up and running finally :)

anyone that lynches chairs is immediate skum imo until they have time to catch up on a computer. Chairs - not to put a clock on you but like... lets say a day?
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« Reply #791 on: September 18, 2018, 03:37:40 am »

Also @ GK - I still would like to know where you stand on Hydrad.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #792 on: September 18, 2018, 03:58:16 am »

Also @ GK - I still would like to know where you stand on Hydrad.

Hydrad seemed townie
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #793 on: September 18, 2018, 04:00:20 am »

I have my desktop back up and running finally :)

anyone that lynches chairs is immediate skum imo until they have time to catch up on a computer. Chairs - not to put a clock on you but like... lets say a day?

We have 2 days before deadline and I don't see any rush, so why not 2 days
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #794 on: September 18, 2018, 04:00:52 am »

chairs is on L-2 right
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #795 on: September 18, 2018, 04:02:15 am »

I’m, no. One day is better.

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #796 on: September 18, 2018, 04:02:52 am »

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #797 on: September 18, 2018, 04:03:32 am »

I’m, no. One day is better.

Vote: LL

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I put it in my safe, if you need it, the code is vote: playername
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« Reply #798 on: September 18, 2018, 04:47:35 am »

Vote Count 2.6

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LaLight (1): Uncleeurope
gkrieg13 (1): Awaclus
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« Reply #799 on: September 18, 2018, 06:30:52 am »


I just woke up....yikes that was close! Thanks, cooler minds. I wasn’t ready to lynch yet and didn’t realize we were so close.

I am stacked with work today (as evidenced by my 5:30 wake up!), but should have some time to reread Hydrad today and agree that we need to let Chairs respond using his new and improved and not-broken computer.

I’m feeling town about Dat, gkrieg, or Awa so choosing between those two seems to be the real task. I don’t see any reason to rush when we have two days.

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« Reply #800 on: September 18, 2018, 08:51:22 am »


I just woke up....yikes that was close! Thanks, cooler minds. I wasn’t ready to lynch yet and didn’t realize we were so close.

I am stacked with work today (as evidenced by my 5:30 wake up!), but should have some time to reread Hydrad today and agree that we need to let Chairs respond using his new and improved and not-broken computer.

I’m feeling town about Dat, gkrieg, or Awa so choosing between those two seems to be the real task. I don’t see any reason to rush when we have two days.

Unvote

so um why did you unvote?
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« Reply #801 on: September 18, 2018, 09:07:44 am »

Was Chairs not still at L-1? I was just created by breathing room.
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« Reply #802 on: September 18, 2018, 09:09:24 am »

Oh, I see it was L-2. Okay...so unvote wasn’t necessary but the reason is the same. Avoiding the derp.
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« Reply #803 on: September 18, 2018, 09:10:54 am »

I’m going to be out of pocket for the rest of the day in an internet black hole. Good times!!
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« Reply #804 on: September 18, 2018, 09:13:46 am »

Oh, I see it was L-2. Okay...so unvote wasn’t necessary but the reason is the same. Avoiding the derp.

if someone would "derp"hammer chairs, this person would be scum and lynched the next day
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« Reply #805 on: September 18, 2018, 09:14:01 am »

or chairs would be scum
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« Reply #806 on: September 18, 2018, 09:14:29 am »

i mean at that point leaving chairs at L-1 is a good thing no matter his alignment
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« Reply #807 on: September 18, 2018, 09:38:09 am »

Okay so I would highly suggest putting me back at L-1 so we don't miss the lynch at deadline (in case I can't convince you all there's better options).

I have to go to work, probably back in 11-12 hours, at which point I am going to do a full reread and probably do some very massive post spam.

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« Reply #808 on: September 18, 2018, 11:00:39 am »


Vote: Chairs

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« Reply #809 on: September 18, 2018, 04:28:21 pm »

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« Reply #810 on: September 18, 2018, 05:00:07 pm »

Vote: chairs
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« Reply #811 on: September 18, 2018, 05:20:02 pm »

I think Awaclus is actually scum here.
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« Reply #812 on: September 18, 2018, 05:32:03 pm »

I think Awaclus is actually scum here.

You think wrong.
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« Reply #813 on: September 18, 2018, 05:37:12 pm »

Okay so I would highly suggest putting me back at L-1 so we don't miss the lynch at deadline (in case I can't convince you all there's better options).

I have to go to work, probably back in 11-12 hours, at which point I am going to do a full reread and probably do some very massive post spam.

this is a weird post.

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« Reply #814 on: September 18, 2018, 05:48:32 pm »

Okay so I would highly suggest putting me back at L-1 so we don't miss the lynch at deadline (in case I can't convince you all there's better options).

I have to go to work, probably back in 11-12 hours, at which point I am going to do a full reread and probably do some very massive post spam.

this is a weird post.

But I'm looking forward to the post spam.

The way I figure it, I don’t want the day to end in no lynch and so I’d rather eat the lynch myself than end up at no lynch. I’m still hopeful that I can convince everyone to vote elsewhere but if I can’t then I’ll take the hit to ensure this matter is settled and we don’t spend D3 arguing about a no lynch and what that means. I actually think a no lynch benefits scum more than my mislynch in this case.

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« Reply #815 on: September 18, 2018, 06:55:31 pm »

Okay so I would highly suggest putting me back at L-1 so we don't miss the lynch at deadline (in case I can't convince you all there's better options).

I have to go to work, probably back in 11-12 hours, at which point I am going to do a full reread and probably do some very massive post spam.

this is a weird post.

But I'm looking forward to the post spam.

The way I figure it, I don’t want the day to end in no lynch and so I’d rather eat the lynch myself than end up at no lynch. I’m still hopeful that I can convince everyone to vote elsewhere but if I can’t then I’ll take the hit to ensure this matter is settled and we don’t spend D3 arguing about a no lynch and what that means. I actually think a no lynch benefits scum more than my mislynch in this case.

thats fair. And I'd agree with you as well. its just usually people don't admit that I guess.
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« Reply #816 on: September 18, 2018, 07:26:53 pm »

In preparation for this to actually be a skum tacTic meant to dismantle our only wagon close to dl trying for no lynch... we should create a back up wagon so not every other player has 1 vote on them.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #817 on: September 18, 2018, 07:29:20 pm »

I agree, I believe our current candidates are Awa/Hydrad/LL

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« Reply #818 on: September 18, 2018, 07:32:38 pm »

I agree, I believe our current candidates are Awa/Hydrad/LL

I wouldn’t be opposed to WCD either.

WCD is just as much of a candidate.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #819 on: September 18, 2018, 07:56:30 pm »

That’s fine with me,

Hydrad/Awa/WCD/LL

Not trying to limit you people, just trying to consolidate what everyone else has said.

If anyone else has a stance for or against someone, we should get those in so we can choose a candidate for wagon#2.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #820 on: September 18, 2018, 08:04:22 pm »

In preparation for this to actually be a skum tacTic meant to dismantle our only wagon close to dl trying for no lynch... we should create a back up wagon so not every other player has 1 vote on them.

The alternatives that have thus far emerged are Hydrad and Eddie. He left his name off his list, and added mine, interesting that.

Awaclus has had Eddie and I as scum, and the Eddie case is increasingly persuasive. I don’t think anything else has read me as scum mostly because I’m such an open book and super townie...I’m hoping guile will come with practice.

Regardless, I don’t think most of the folks on chairs (me included) will be that disappointed to have to move to Hydrad. So, he’s my choice for the other wagon, if we need one.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #821 on: September 18, 2018, 08:06:02 pm »

I agree, I believe our current candidates are Awa/Hydrad/LL

I wouldn’t be opposed to WCD either.

WCD Eddie is just as much of a candidate.

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« Reply #822 on: September 18, 2018, 08:18:49 pm »

Hydrad/Awa/WCD/LL/Eddie

Sure, I’ll throw my hat in.

We need to start removing names, though.
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« Reply #823 on: September 18, 2018, 08:27:09 pm »

I also should mention that the deadline fell on a Wednesday, so I may only get one post in, it will be rough. Sorry about that in advance.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #824 on: September 18, 2018, 08:48:59 pm »

Hydrad/Awa/WCD/LL/Eddie

Sure, I’ll throw my hat in.

We need to start removing names, though.

We can start by removing Awa.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #825 on: September 18, 2018, 09:07:50 pm »


I think us around right now would be cool with chairs or Hydrad, yeah?

I’d really rather not it be Eddie, even if he seems scummy, because killing the newbies in a newb game rubs me the wrong way. Same with me.

And Awa prefers Eddie or me, but definitely not him....

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #826 on: September 18, 2018, 09:14:39 pm »


Eddie, Awa, chairs, and gkrieg have single votes eslewhere, but maybe they will coalesce on Hydrad or chairs as they check in this evening or in the morning.

Deadline is at 6 PM EDT. That’s 5 for me, I can be there for a bit a couple of hours before and then like 30 minutes until the deadline, but I’ll be driving for 90 minutes in the two hours before the deadline and have no drive-and-read skills.
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« Reply #827 on: September 18, 2018, 10:19:58 pm »


Or whoever, as long as it's not a no lynch.
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« Reply #828 on: September 18, 2018, 11:02:50 pm »

I feel like Chairs is a lazy choice being pushed by skum and being poorly accepted by town.
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« Reply #829 on: September 19, 2018, 12:51:59 am »

Awaclus reread. Numbers at front are the post count from him at time of that post. Numbers in back are scumpoints:

D1
1: vote SS. +0
2: vote Raptor. +0
3: "Are you claiming doctor, eddie?" +1
4: clarifies that "clarifying isn't PR hunting" - I disagree completely. +3
5-6 fluff. +0
7: likes the doctor plan about healing 4 down from themselves. I think the plan is trash. +1
8: argues that pushing the plan isn't scummy. +1
9: argues more about idea being not scummy (or people on it not being scummy). +1
10: argues plan doesn't give info because doctors can ignore the plan. +2
11: agrees L-1 on him was fine, but no derphammer "so it was fine". +0
12: was asleep while at L-1. +0
13: "don't pressure me and tell me you're pressuring me, that's dumb." +0
14: "I'm not fine with being lynched." +0
15: "You should fabricate reads." +3
16: Still discussing the plan, suggesting the plan included ignoring the plan. +1
17: Obnoxiousness. +1
18: Says plan is fine, suggests LaLight had basically suggested we fake-plan the doctors. States scumteam is definitely NOT me+him. +1
19: Says can't be on scumteam with me because is not scum, also not a pet person. +3
20: Obnoxiously good point about getting information from people. -2
21: naked Eddie vote, unannounced L-1. +1
22: complains about being at L-1 earlier. +0
23: suggests WCD calling him least helpful should be saying least helpful to scum. +1
24: naked Chairs vote, not L-1, I'm the leading lynch and it's <4h. -1
25: fakehammers me. 2h before deadline. +0
26: votes WCD at 2h to deadline b/c WCD calls out the fakehammer. +0

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27: replies to eddie wondering about awa's fakehammer with "are you wcd's scum partner?". Feels forced. +1
28: Suggests was present at deadline but lynch already done. +0
29: suggests eddie should argue why he isn't scum with WCD. +1
30: suggests WCD/eddie team again. +2
31: points out if eddie/chairs are both town we don't get to lynch hydrad/datswan (if we go lynch eddie/chairs first). Duh, but probably needed to be pointed out at this moment. -1
32: reiterates wcd/eddie scumteam. +1
33: Naked eddie vote, after lots of eddie/wcd pushing. -1
34: fluff. +0
35: Semantics about semantics. +1
36: wcd/eddie scumteam push. +0
37: gkrieg/eddie scumteam? +0
38: wcd/eddie scumteam push, again. REALLY tunneling wcd/eddie. +2
39: tautology club is tautology club. +1
40: I can't even. +1
41: suggests hating his playstyle is a scum trait. +2
42: suggests eddie finish the lynch. We have time left for talking. +1
43: chairs in top 10 of list, of a list of 10. Intentionally unhelpful. +1
44: I can't even. +1
45: finally votes me. +0
46: "will eddie vote chairs?" -2
47: gkrieg argument, votes gkrieg. +1
48: votes me again, naked vote. +0
49: "not scum." +1
50: WCD candidate for lynch. +0
51: "remove awaclus from candidate list". +1

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #830 on: September 19, 2018, 12:55:56 am »

Had to work 2h OT today, and then my brother needed something, and then my girlfriend needed something, so that's all I have time for :(

vote: hydrad I guess since he sounds like the only feasible alternate wagon. I -think- we oughta lynch Awaclus, but I don't think we can toDay.

If I'm alive for D3 I'll try to do more reread posts, but if not, I hope that the one I did get time for was helpful. I chose awaclus because he felt like he'd be scummy to me, and that has, mostly, rung true. The hard eddie/wcd tunnel in particular gives me pause.

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #831 on: September 19, 2018, 01:17:12 am »

Vote: Hydrad

Reiterating that I won’t be able to post much tomorrow. I should have the ability to post a bit early on, but the closer to the deadline we get the harder for me to post.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #832 on: September 19, 2018, 03:33:05 am »

Chairs is L-1
Hydrad is L-2

Everyone should state their deadline availability if they haven't.

I will be here for the last 3 hours up to deadline.
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« Reply #833 on: September 19, 2018, 03:36:36 am »

howdy

I caught a cold, work from home, feel like shit

But I am online the whole day up to deadline itself
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« Reply #834 on: September 19, 2018, 03:37:04 am »

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« Reply #835 on: September 19, 2018, 03:54:01 am »

If chairs is town then WCD is town
If Hydrad is skum then Eddie should be looked at.

Do not forget to look at Awaclus and LL. Especially LL (you will remember to look at Awaclus).

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« Reply #836 on: September 19, 2018, 04:05:32 am »

Vote Count 2.8

Hydrad (3): DatSwan, chairs, Uncleeurope
chairs (4): Hydrad, LaLight, WestCoastDidds, Awaclus
Awaclus (1): gkrieg13

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« Reply #837 on: September 19, 2018, 05:10:23 am »

vote: Hydrad

I actually think there’s more probable scum there
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #838 on: September 19, 2018, 07:49:34 am »


LL, I am sorry that your sick. Poor you! I hope you feel better soon and that you are being well taken care of.

I appreciate chairs read of Awa, and also the note that Awa’s tunnel of Eddie and I was both strange and scummy. It seems sort of like wishing something was true without any basis in reality. I like how mcmcsalot described me last game...”she be town”. I find Awaclus really hard to read, which is his goal. I’m not sure if he’s scum, or just anti-cooperative town.

Anyway, with the return of chairs’ computer and most recent engagement, I’m liking the Hydrad lynch more.

Intent to hammer Hydrad.

I’m not in any rush....I am fairly free until about 11 forum time, but then I have to drive up to Austin for a meeting and drive home so I’ll be out of pocket until just before deadline.
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« Reply #839 on: September 19, 2018, 09:28:12 am »

FWIW I’ll be aroundish today I just will only be able to phone post so no analyses

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« Reply #840 on: September 19, 2018, 10:05:06 am »

15: "You should fabricate reads." +3

Well, that's extremely scummy of you.
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« Reply #841 on: September 19, 2018, 10:08:39 am »

I’m not sure if he’s scum, or just anti-cooperative town.

I'm town and don't want to cooperate with scum.
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« Reply #842 on: September 19, 2018, 10:15:24 am »

I’m not sure if he’s scum, or just anti-cooperative town.

I'm town and don't want to cooperate with scum.

How do we know you're town if you're giving literally no content to work with? Saying "I'm town" all the time doesn't help, you see
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« Reply #843 on: September 19, 2018, 10:22:32 am »

Vote Count 2.9

Hydrad (4): DatSwan, chairs, Uncleeurope, LaLight
chairs (3): Hydrad, WestCoastDidds, Awaclus
Awaclus (1): gkrieg13

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« Reply #844 on: September 19, 2018, 10:32:03 am »

Would still prefer Awaclus but fine with Hydrad. Hammer away
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« Reply #845 on: September 19, 2018, 10:33:21 am »

vote: Hydrad
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« Reply #846 on: September 19, 2018, 10:36:05 am »

How do we know you're town if you're giving literally no content to work with? Saying "I'm town" all the time doesn't help, you see

If I gave you content to work with, it wouldn't be genuine anyway.
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« Reply #847 on: September 19, 2018, 10:41:07 am »

Day’s over then, right? Beddy bye time?
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« Reply #848 on: September 19, 2018, 11:00:28 am »


Vote: Hydrad

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Awaclus is scum here.
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« Reply #851 on: September 19, 2018, 11:16:40 am »

Final Vote Count Day 2

Hydrad (5): DatSwan, chairs, Uncleeurope, LaLight, WestCoastDidds
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« Reply #852 on: September 19, 2018, 11:21:01 am »

"Jake?" Finn called, ducking under the grasp of Banana Guard #21 as he sped back up to the Royal Chambers. Jake had been stretching upward to talk to PB, which was reasonable, and then he had suddenly disappeared, which was odd.

"비올라와 TV는 텔레포트 할 수 있지만 Jake가 배우는 것은 불가능합니다" said Lady Rainicorn who was following behind him.

"She's not dead," Finn could hear Princess Bubblegum say. "I only sent her back. Don't worry."

A moment later –

"Hey PB. Sorry for escaping but – woah, Simon? What happened? And where's Jake?"

Lady Rainicorn flew past Finn, examining the puddles on the floor.

"My guards were supposed to keep you locked in the dungeon!" Princess Bubblegum protested. "How come everyone is just walking around freely?"

"Well," Marceline said, who had chosen this moment to float into the room, "I'm was a bit too strong for your guard to handle, sorry. But they get points for trying – Oh my god, Simon!"  She flew over, drawing him into a hug. Meanwhile, Lady Rainicorn was sticking a limb into the substance on the floor, throwing a curious glance towards the desk.

"We'll go back if you tell me what happened to Jake!" Finn demanded. But Princess Bubblegum didn't even listen to him, instead eyeing the Rainicoirn skeptically. Then, several things happened in a very span of time.

"MARCELINE," Princess Bubblegum screamed in panic, and-

Finn jerked back in surprise, and-

someone else came in through the door...

... and Lady Rainicorn made a strange movement.

"GET HER!" Princess Bubblegum shrieked, whilst quickly getting herself out of danger. "Marceline!"

Marceline let go of Simon, turning her head in time to see the rainicorn's body deform in a surreal motion. Reacting quickly, she transformed into her scarier form herself, ready to fight whatever it was that Jake's supposed girlfriend was turning into.

"She's been far too cool about Jake being gone!" came Princess Bubblegum's voice from behind the desk. "And my potion didn't work on her! She's definitely the traitor!"

"YES!" The Lich announced as, finally, his head emerged out of the transforming body, "it is I who-"

But he was cut off as a giant claw slammed into his figure. The fight was hard, but swift.
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« Reply #853 on: September 19, 2018, 11:24:07 am »

Hydrad has been lynched. He was The Lich, a Mafia Rolecop.

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« Reply #854 on: September 20, 2018, 11:22:31 am »

"AAAA-HAHAHAHAAAAHAHA-HAA–" Princess Bubblegum was laughing madly, all the while standing in front of the wall and activating a series of mechanisms in perfect calm until a secret door revealed itself. She disappeared into it, still laughing, and re-appeared momentarily, yet another item in her grasp. "WE DID IT! NOW WE CAN ASCEND INTO THE REAL WORLD AND ENSLAVE OURSELVES!"

And without hesitating, she smashed the flask onto the floor.

And many of the others only realized now, after Jake had disappeared and Simon had been retrieved and Lady Rainicorn had been transforming into the Lich, that PB hadn't been joking, that they were actually just living in a miniature universe which for some reason that none of them really understood (perhaps because they just weren't smart enough) was indistinguishable from their own.

"That was the evilest thing I've ever done," Princess Bubblegum said as she arrived in the new universe, which looked much like the old one. "I just murdered myself, the person who created the Candy Kingdom out of nothing..."

She looked around, confirming that she was indeed safe; that was, alone in her bedroom.

"... and also Finn and Simon who will now become the Ice King again and LSP and didn't I forget someone?" Talking to herself seemed to be her way to cope with the situation, not that she had done it in the past but the situation was kind of unprecedented – "But not Marceline, that would never have worked, does that make me more or less evil? Eh, it probably doesn't matter..."

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« Reply #855 on: September 20, 2018, 11:24:55 am »

gkrieg13 has died in the night. He was Marceline, a Town Doctor.

Day 3 begins now and ends at Sep 30, 11:30 forum time.

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« Reply #856 on: September 20, 2018, 11:28:30 am »

Vote Count 3.0

Not Voting (6): Awaclus, DatSwan, chairs, Uncleeurope, LaLight, WestCoastDidds

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 3 ends at Sep 30, 11:30 forum time.
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« Reply #857 on: September 20, 2018, 11:53:48 am »

Ouch. Well, I’m glad we got Hydrad. Less glad about this doctor situation but we have 3 days to scumhunt

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« Reply #858 on: September 20, 2018, 12:10:07 pm »

Don’t we just have 2?
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« Reply #859 on: September 20, 2018, 12:36:29 pm »


Dang it!  How did both BOTH of our doctors get axed?!?!

But hooray on Hydrad!  High five everyone!
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« Reply #860 on: September 20, 2018, 12:36:57 pm »

Well, I’m assuming we no lynch tomorrow or today to get to an odd number

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« Reply #861 on: September 20, 2018, 12:38:15 pm »


Can you explain that more to me, Chairs? We want an odd number, why? (Think of this as your newb service...)
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« Reply #862 on: September 20, 2018, 12:41:49 pm »

Ah, he’s right, if we no lynch on a day we will end up with the baddies killing an extra dude, so we will have three people alive for the showdown.

Makes sense.
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« Reply #863 on: September 20, 2018, 01:11:25 pm »


Can you explain that more to me, Chairs? We want an odd number, why? (Think of this as your newb service...)

If we have an odd number, we'll go into LyLo with 3 people alive so 2 townies have to nail a 50% chance to lynch scum. If we try to lynch from MyLo with 4 people alive, 3 townies have to nail a 33% chance to lynch scum so that's a lot more difficult.
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« Reply #864 on: September 20, 2018, 01:21:08 pm »


Thanks, Awa. I appreciate the help!

So, it seems in our best interest to no lynch, then. Next question....do we do that soon?
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« Reply #865 on: September 20, 2018, 01:34:40 pm »


Thanks, Awa. I appreciate the help!

So, it seems in our best interest to no lynch, then. Next question....do we do that soon?

It doesn't make a huge difference in this situation but I think it could be slightly better to do it today.
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« Reply #866 on: September 20, 2018, 01:49:24 pm »


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« Reply #867 on: September 20, 2018, 01:54:09 pm »

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« Reply #868 on: September 20, 2018, 01:58:24 pm »


Or is it better to no lynch in Day 4?

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« Reply #869 on: September 20, 2018, 02:03:19 pm »

We definitely should talk a bit first before throwing the day away, we learned some valuable info with Hydrad’s reveal. We should just calm down a bit.

We can no-lynch later if we need to.
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« Reply #870 on: September 20, 2018, 02:23:21 pm »

We definitely should talk a bit first before throwing the day away, we learned some valuable info with Hydrad’s reveal. We should just calm down a bit.

We can no-lynch later if we need to.

We should avoid talking about reads though, as that will make it easier for scum to kill correctly.
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« Reply #871 on: September 20, 2018, 02:25:16 pm »

Hi. I am still very ill, I really hope I can shake the illness through weekends. We should no lynch here, of course
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« Reply #872 on: September 20, 2018, 02:27:04 pm »

I think it's better that the night will fall on weekends, the days of low activity for me, but do as you see fit, I am going to sleep rn

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« Reply #873 on: September 20, 2018, 02:33:53 pm »

We definitely should talk a bit first before throwing the day away, we learned some valuable info with Hydrad’s reveal. We should just calm down a bit.

We can no-lynch later if we need to.

We should avoid talking about reads though, as that will make it easier for scum to kill correctly.

What is there for scum to read correctly? Both doctors are done, so we are VT and scum, right? Am I missing something?
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« Reply #874 on: September 20, 2018, 02:35:17 pm »

Hi. I am still very ill, I really hope I can shake the illness through weekends. We should no lynch here, of course

I'm so sorry, LaLight. I hope you feel better soon.

No lynching on Friday so we go to night over the weekend seems like good timing for us.
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« Reply #875 on: September 20, 2018, 03:34:46 pm »

We definitely should talk a bit first before throwing the day away, we learned some valuable info with Hydrad’s reveal. We should just calm down a bit.

We can no-lynch later if we need to.

We should avoid talking about reads though, as that will make it easier for scum to kill correctly.

What is there for scum to read correctly? Both doctors are done, so we are VT and scum, right? Am I missing something?

You are missing that we have reads. Scum wants to kill the townies who correctly read scum and the townies who are being correctly townread by most of town, and they want to keep easy mislynch targets around.
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« Reply #876 on: September 20, 2018, 05:47:03 pm »

We definitely should talk a bit first before throwing the day away, we learned some valuable info with Hydrad’s reveal. We should just calm down a bit.

We can no-lynch later if we need to.

We should avoid talking about reads though, as that will make it easier for scum to kill correctly.

What is there for scum to read correctly? Both doctors are done, so we are VT and scum, right? Am I missing something?

You are missing that we have reads. Scum wants to kill the townies who correctly read scum and the townies who are being correctly townread by most of town, and they want to keep easy mislynch targets around.

Thanks for the explanation! My first game didn’t go this long so I feel like I’m starting over with the questions.
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« Reply #877 on: September 20, 2018, 08:25:01 pm »

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #878 on: September 21, 2018, 12:42:00 am »

So assuming always mislynch it would go
5-1 today
4-1 tonight
3-1 tomorrow
2-1 last night
Then they kill and game is over if we don’t find skum. So, this would give us today and tomorrow to try and find last skum.

If we no lynch today:
5-1 today
5-1 tonight
4-1 tomorrow
3-1 tomorrow night
Wake up to 2-1

So in this instance we still get the same amount by of days to find 1 skum. However , the last day we get the advantage of Town-Town-skum (or disadvantage Idk i guess it depends on how you look at it).

So yeah no lynch is the play. I think we should do it tomorrow over today though from an information gather POV.

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« Reply #879 on: September 21, 2018, 12:59:34 am »

So yeah no lynch is the play. I think we should do it tomorrow over today though from an information gather POV.

The information gather POV is exactly why we should do it today over tomorrow. We want to force scum to decide on the first night kill without hearing any more from us.
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« Reply #880 on: September 21, 2018, 03:27:17 am »

So yeah no lynch is the play. I think we should do it tomorrow over today though from an information gather POV.

The information gather POV is exactly why we should do it today over tomorrow. We want to force scum to decide on the first night kill without hearing any more from us.

The problem is that we all know is getting killed tonight. So why not wait that part out

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« Reply #881 on: September 21, 2018, 03:29:15 am »

If we no-lynch without talking one of us won’t get to have an opinion.

I think that might be important, but what do I know?

Plus it’s not like their kill could be influenced that much. I doubt it would move too far from what is already planned in their heads. I would think it’s obvious...?
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« Reply #882 on: September 21, 2018, 04:09:05 am »

If we no-lynch without talking one of us won’t get to have an opinion.

I think that might be important, but what do I know?

Plus it’s not like their kill could be influenced that much. I doubt it would move too far from what is already planned in their heads. I would think it’s obvious...?

Once you're dead, your opinion isn't really going to matter very much because other people are still going to trust their own opinions over yours.

Their kill could totally be influenced. There were two flips, one of which was scum, and only one person so far has voiced their reads in the light of those flips. If you figure out the scum correctly here and say that out loud, that makes it super easy for scum to get rid of you before LyLo.

The problem is that we all know is getting killed tonight. So why not wait that part out

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« Reply #883 on: September 21, 2018, 04:10:05 am »

I mean, now we all know that DatSwan and Awaclus are not getting killed tonight.
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« Reply #884 on: September 21, 2018, 07:14:56 am »


Vote Awaclus

Awaclus was gkrieg’s biggest scumread. So, I can’t see much reason not to test that theory out. This way we at least have some control over who we get down to in the end. I am totally down with no lynch tomorrow
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« Reply #885 on: September 21, 2018, 07:15:23 am »


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« Reply #886 on: September 21, 2018, 10:24:53 am »

I don’t think I am in favor of Awaclus lynch. Why do this if we can no lynch?
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« Reply #887 on: September 21, 2018, 12:18:29 pm »

I don’t think I am in favor of Awaclus lynch. Why do this if we can no lynch?

Well, the way I see it is that he is likely scum. And if he is not, there is an NK, and then we can no lynch Day 4, right? That would still set up 2-1?

I feel like if we no lynch today, DatSwan gets axed in the night, and then we have less helpful and knowledgeable group on Day 4, especially if Awaclus is still among us.

If there isn't momentum on Awa, I'll shift to no lynch, but Eddie and Chairs should weigh in first.

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« Reply #888 on: September 21, 2018, 12:45:28 pm »

I don’t think I am in favor of Awaclus lynch. Why do this if we can no lynch?

Well, the way I see it is that he is likely scum. And if he is not, there is an NK, and then we can no lynch Day 4, right? That would still set up 2-1?

I feel like if we no lynch today, DatSwan gets axed in the night, and then we have less helpful and knowledgeable group on Day 4, especially if Awaclus is still among us.

If there isn't momentum on Awa, I'll shift to no lynch, but Eddie and Chairs should weigh in first.

Are feeling any better, LL? I hope you are getting some good rest.

Temperature isn't going down which somehow affects my thinking. I don't see the difference between lynching Awa now and lynching him then. You're so confident DS is axed tonight, do you know for sure he's not scum? How? I feel more like you or me are getting axed tonight
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« Reply #889 on: September 21, 2018, 01:37:26 pm »

I don’t think I am in favor of Awaclus lynch. Why do this if we can no lynch?

Well, the way I see it is that he is likely scum. And if he is not, there is an NK, and then we can no lynch Day 4, right? That would still set up 2-1?

I feel like if we no lynch today, DatSwan gets axed in the night, and then we have less helpful and knowledgeable group on Day 4, especially if Awaclus is still among us.

If there isn't momentum on Awa, I'll shift to no lynch, but Eddie and Chairs should weigh in first.

Are feeling any better, LL? I hope you are getting some good rest.

Temperature isn't going down which somehow affects my thinking. I don't see the difference between lynching Awa now and lynching him then. You're so confident DS is axed tonight, do you know for sure he's not scum? How? I feel more like you or me are getting axed tonight

Ugh. I am so sorry. I hate how a fever makes my eyeballs feel like they are on fire. It's gotta break soon!  And then you will be on the mend.  I am sending you good thoughts.

DatSwan is the only person who has not ever been mentioned as suspicious or on anyone's radar.  You, me, Eddie, chairs, and Awaclus have all had either votes or talks about votes. So, I was assuming he'd be the kill.  And I think he was assuming that, too, based on his earlier comment.

I think the upshot to lynching Awa now is that if he is scum, we win!  If he's not, then we no lynch and see what we are left with on the last day.
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« Reply #890 on: September 21, 2018, 01:58:03 pm »

Eh, I find datswan no more valid a NK than anyone else. Scumpoints for wcd

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« Reply #891 on: September 21, 2018, 01:59:37 pm »

I don’t think I am in favor of Awaclus lynch. Why do this if we can no lynch?

Well, the way I see it is that he is likely scum. And if he is not, there is an NK, and then we can no lynch Day 4, right? That would still set up 2-1?

I feel like if we no lynch today, DatSwan gets axed in the night, and then we have less helpful and knowledgeable group on Day 4, especially if Awaclus is still among us.

If there isn't momentum on Awa, I'll shift to no lynch, but Eddie and Chairs should weigh in first.

Are feeling any better, LL? I hope you are getting some good rest.

Temperature isn't going down which somehow affects my thinking. I don't see the difference between lynching Awa now and lynching him then. You're so confident DS is axed tonight, do you know for sure he's not scum? How? I feel more like you or me are getting axed tonight

Ugh. I am so sorry. I hate how a fever makes my eyeballs feel like they are on fire. It's gotta break soon!  And then you will be on the mend.  I am sending you good thoughts.

DatSwan is the only person who has not ever been mentioned as suspicious or on anyone's radar.  You, me, Eddie, chairs, and Awaclus have all had either votes or talks about votes. So, I was assuming he'd be the kill.  And I think he was assuming that, too, based on his earlier comment.

I think the upshot to lynching Awa now is that if he is scum, we win!  If he's not, then we no lynch and see what we are left with on the last day.

In M86 gkrieg was scum counterclaiming actual doctor. He had literally one vote for the whole game
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #892 on: September 21, 2018, 02:04:03 pm »


I don’t know what this means, but I’ll go read M86
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« Reply #893 on: September 21, 2018, 02:07:34 pm »


I don’t know what this means, but I’ll go read M86

I mean DS can be scum whom no one thinks he is, that’s the point. Trlling “he was never suspected therefore he’s town” is simply not true. With this i am leaving to sleep
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« Reply #894 on: September 21, 2018, 02:11:23 pm »


I don’t know what this means, but I’ll go read M86

I mean DS can be scum whom no one thinks he is, that’s the point. Trlling “he was never suspected therefore he’s town” is simply not true. With this i am leaving to sleep

Ah, I see. Thanks for the clarification.

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #895 on: September 21, 2018, 02:59:53 pm »

Eh, I find datswan no more valid a NK than anyone else. Scumpoints for wcd


... I clearly will be the night kill. I can't decide if it is skummy or not of you to suggest otherwise.
I would of had to single handedly pushed my only partner from day 1 to lynch over several others (such as you).
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #896 on: September 21, 2018, 03:18:53 pm »

I don’t think I am in favor of Awaclus lynch. Why do this if we can no lynch?

OK here is the wagon at the end of the day - ish.

Important thing to remember here is that:
1) There are only two skum
2) One of the Skum is NOT GK
3) Hydrad was the only Skum!PR



Vote Count 2.8

Hydrad (3): DatSwan, chairs, Uncleeurope
chairs (4): Hydrad, LaLight, WestCoastDidds, Awaclus
Awaclus (1): gkrieg13


-Swan, Chairs, Eddie on Hydrad the whole way through. Could of hammered chairs at like any point in time. Very unlikely skum from Swan and Eddie. If it is Chairs!Hydrad... still unlikely as Hydrad was the PR, they probably would of bailed and pushed another wagon... But, still could be a thing.


- LL, WCD, Awaclus on Chairs.




Vote Count 2.9Hydrad (4): DatSwan, chairs, Uncleeurope, LaLightchairs (3): Hydrad, WestCoastDidds, AwaclusAwaclus (1): gkrieg13


- LL switches to Hydrad and puts them at L-1... Which doesn't really make sense if it is LL!Hydrad because chairs was L-1 and everyone was saying they were not going to let it go to no lynch.
- WCD and Awaclus could hammer at this point.


Final Vote Count - Day 2Hydrad (5): DatSwan, chairs, Uncleeurope, LaLight, WestCoastDiddschairs (2): Hydrad, AwaclusAwaclus (1): gkrieg13

- LL does the weird Fake Hammer thing.. Dunno what that means.

- WCD Hammers. At this point would do it as Skum or Town.
- Only other alive player that could of hammered was Awaclus.

From a VCA perspective:
- It is almost certainly NOT [Swan, Chairs, Eddie, LL].
- It could be Chairs in a far off world.
- It is most likely [Awaclus or WCD].

I am on Awaclus now, but to be honest I need to look closer at WCD.

More important than who looks skummy... Skum knows that 3-4 players look very towny. They would want as many chances to kill as possible without taking risks during the day with lynches at this point.

I am not saying no-lynch is wrong. But I am saying we got some shit to talk about before we end this day.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #897 on: September 21, 2018, 03:24:51 pm »

Agreed on that point. I would even probably be willing to lynch awaclus today because I think he’s slightly more likely out of that pair.

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #898 on: September 21, 2018, 03:35:35 pm »

I’m not opposed to an Awa-kill today, either. Although the benefit of waking a day is strong.

I just feel that no matter the mix of people he is going to be a strong candidate.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #899 on: September 21, 2018, 05:52:05 pm »


I agree that I think the NK is Swan. I find it weird that LL would say otherwise, but dude is sick, so it’s not worth hassling him. .

I voted Awa much earlier today, and have been waiting for Chairs and Eddie to get on board. None of us really like his play style, I don’t think, and gkrieg def thought he was scum. I think there is a huge chance he’s scum and we win. But y’all pretty much get to decide if it’s him or no lynch.

Hydrad was the first lynch where I felt pretty good about my read and my decision. I wasn’t late to the Hydrad train so much as I had parked my vote elsewhere then got swallowed by work, then Chairs finally had some content, etc. i don’t think my hammering him makes me guilty. Just busy. I’m wordy so a reread will take awhile, but I don’t think you’ll find me scummy, especially once I settled into the game.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #900 on: September 21, 2018, 05:54:03 pm »


Swan, what is “VCA perspective”?
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #901 on: September 21, 2018, 06:09:19 pm »

Woke up, completely messed my sleep schedule. I argue that swan is an nk because he cab be scum, only that. But really i think he can’t be, he pished hydrad so much, i am willing to believe him

VCA = vote count analysis, that’s what Swan just did

And well, from Swan’s VCA i actually believe in, vote: Awaclus
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #902 on: September 21, 2018, 06:09:42 pm »

L-1
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #903 on: September 21, 2018, 06:10:07 pm »


Swan, what is “VCA perspective”?

Vote count analysis - pretty much looking at wagons and vote counts to try and cultivate information.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #904 on: September 21, 2018, 06:17:55 pm »

So yeah no lynch is the play. I think we should do it tomorrow over today though from an information gather POV.

The information gather POV is exactly why we should do it today over tomorrow. We want to force scum to decide on the first night kill without hearing any more from us.

Hearing from us is irreverent at this point. There were/are two players that clearly would be considered “IC” at 3 player lylo. Skum will kill those two players. As we will not lynch those two players either, there is essentially no difference doing it today as opposed to tomorrow - except today we get the extra body of information.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #905 on: September 21, 2018, 06:40:05 pm »

Vote: Awaclus

I guess I have to do this if there's no other way to stop you from talking about your reads.
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« Reply #906 on: September 21, 2018, 06:43:13 pm »

I didn’t see that coming
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« Reply #907 on: September 21, 2018, 06:43:45 pm »

Legit the worst play i have ever seen on this site if you flip Town man.
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« Reply #908 on: September 21, 2018, 06:44:27 pm »

Legit the worst play i have ever seen on this site if you flip Town man.

Not really better if he flips scum?
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« Reply #909 on: September 21, 2018, 06:45:24 pm »

Legit the worst play i have ever seen on this site if you flip Town man.

Legit better than anything you did D3 this game.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #911 on: September 21, 2018, 06:55:51 pm »

She was still sitting on her bed, thinking about past events, when a piece of paper came floating, she didn't know from where, into her lap. She picked it up.

You will die today.

O...kay, that was not what she had expected. Most residents of the candy kingdom were afraid of her, and would never prank her in this way. She still wasn't really scared – she had taken precautions to survive even bodily death – but nonetheless...

A second paper. This one, she plucked out of mid-air.

Now.

"Okay, who is doing this... what, is it... you? But how... wait, no. Nononono no no no no, no, no I'm the main character of the story, you can't do this, it's not allowed... no... help! HELP! HELP!"

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« Reply #912 on: September 21, 2018, 06:57:06 pm »

Final Vote Count Day 3

Awaclus (4): DatSwan, WestCoastDidds, LaLight, Awaclus

Not Voting (2): chairs, Uncleeurope

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #913 on: September 21, 2018, 06:58:35 pm »

Awaclus has been lynched. He was Princess Bubblegum, a Vanilla Townie.

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Night 3)
« Reply #914 on: September 22, 2018, 06:50:57 pm »

Setting: The Tree House
Cast: Finn and Jake


[Finn winces slightly]

Jake: What's up? [Looks up from couch.] Everything alright, Finn?

Finn: Oh, Finn's dead.

Jake: What?

Finn: Yeah, we just discovered that we actually live in a miniature universe – I still don't know where – that's almost exactly like the real one – still don't know why – but PB managed to get us into the bodies of our real-world counter parts. The old Finn died and now I'm here. So from your perspective, nothing's changed, I guess. Kind of like the time I was trapped in a dungeon for over a year.

Jake (losing interest): Eh, whatever. Sounds legit.

BMO (from downstairs): Oh, hey there-

BMO (from downstairs): Wait, what are you doing? Why are you-

BMO (from downstairs): No. That hurts! That hurts!

[BMO screams]

Jake: We should probably look what's gotten Beemo so freaked out.
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« Reply #915 on: September 22, 2018, 06:52:19 pm »

DatSwan has died in the night. They were BMO, a Vanilla Townie.

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« Reply #916 on: September 22, 2018, 06:54:18 pm »

Vote Count 4.0

Not Voting (4): chairs, Uncleeurope, LaLight, WestCoastDidds

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« Reply #917 on: September 22, 2018, 06:56:04 pm »

Alright, this is better than I expected. I suspected DatSwan really. Anyway, 2am at my place, i waited up, now to sleep.

vote: no lynch
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« Reply #918 on: September 22, 2018, 07:23:26 pm »

I’m upset.
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« Reply #919 on: September 22, 2018, 07:50:04 pm »


Vote: no lynch
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« Reply #920 on: September 22, 2018, 07:51:35 pm »

I’m upset.

Why’s that? I mean, there are myriad possibilities, but why in particular?

LL, I hope you’re feeling better

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« Reply #921 on: September 22, 2018, 08:22:31 pm »

Well then.

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« Reply #922 on: September 22, 2018, 08:45:31 pm »


See y’all on the flip side. Happy weekend!
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« Reply #923 on: September 22, 2018, 09:06:11 pm »

LL, I hope you’re feeling better

I can't sleep :/ Other than that no temperature any more.
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« Reply #924 on: September 22, 2018, 09:23:26 pm »


Can you take a Benadryl (or the Russian equivalent of mild sleep inducing medicine)? Or wine? Wine works, too.

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« Reply #926 on: September 23, 2018, 03:29:24 am »

NOOOOOOO! THIS STORY WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT MEE! IT'S ALMOST OVER AND YOU DIDN'T EVEN MENTION ME? HOW COULD YOU DOOO THIS TO MEE???

DID YOU SEE HOW PB SAID SHE'S THE MAIN CHARACTER? THAT... STUPID... SHE'S NOT THE MAIN CHARACTER... BECAUSE... I AM! AARGHHH!!


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« Reply #927 on: September 23, 2018, 03:32:27 am »

Final Vote Count Day 4

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« Reply #928 on: September 23, 2018, 03:32:41 am »

A no-lynch has occured.

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« Reply #929 on: September 24, 2018, 03:22:34 am »

Finding a silent killer is a coordination problem, and coordination seems increasingly unlikely...

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« Reply #930 on: September 24, 2018, 03:24:53 am »

Uncleeurope has died in the night. He was Simon, a Vanilla Townie.

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« Reply #931 on: September 24, 2018, 03:25:47 am »

Vote Count 5.0

Not Voting (3): LaLight, WestCoastDidds, chairs

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« Reply #932 on: September 24, 2018, 06:42:11 am »

Oh snap. I am like 99% sure it’s chairs, but I’ll reread today
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« Reply #933 on: September 24, 2018, 08:02:00 am »

Remember, if you vote and you’re wrong then that’s the game so don’t vote until you’re sure you’re ready to see the flip.

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #934 on: September 24, 2018, 09:45:22 am »


Hhhmmmm.....so, why am I alive?

I have been voting for chairs on and off all game.  It would be easy for me to decide, again, that he is scum. If he is scum, then it doesn't make much sense to choose to kill Eddie over me.  If chairs was scum, wouldn't he kill LL instead of Eddie? Leaving two vets alive is certainly harder for me.

Eddie is (maybe) the only one to have voted for LL. I don't know that he was ever super-chairs suspicious. His death kind of points to LL.

LL has been sick and I have felt bad for him, so there is some goodwill there, and if he is scum that is a reason to keep me alive. Eddie was way more suspicious of LL than I was, although I did have that thought experiment sometime earlier in the game.

Is it that LL is a good scum player and has created suspicion on everyone that is not him, or is it that chairs has been scum from the start and this is actually an easy decision?? This must be what the wine is all about....

I have been reading chairs again this morning and remembering why he felt scummy to me, but it feels a bit disingenuous because why I alive!? So, I will keep reading and thinking but that is my most troubling issue, existential angst aside.
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« Reply #935 on: September 24, 2018, 11:26:35 am »


Hhhmmmm.....so, why am I alive?

I have been voting for chairs on and off all game.  It would be easy for me to decide, again, that he is scum. If he is scum, then it doesn't make much sense to choose to kill Eddie over me.  If chairs was scum, wouldn't he kill LL instead of Eddie? Leaving two vets alive is certainly harder for me.

Eddie is (maybe) the only one to have voted for LL. I don't know that he was ever super-chairs suspicious. His death kind of points to LL.

LL has been sick and I have felt bad for him, so there is some goodwill there, and if he is scum that is a reason to keep me alive. Eddie was way more suspicious of LL than I was, although I did have that thought experiment sometime earlier in the game.

Is it that LL is a good scum player and has created suspicion on everyone that is not him, or is it that chairs has been scum from the start and this is actually an easy decision?? This must be what the wine is all about....

I have been reading chairs again this morning and remembering why he felt scummy to me, but it feels a bit disingenuous because why I alive!? So, I will keep reading and thinking but that is my most troubling issue, existential angst aside.

I see where you get but I can't be Hydrad partner like ever. Why would I switch from chairs to Hydrad when chairs was on L-1? I mean at that point, I am pretty sure we had wagons on 2 scums, and I would not do this to bus my partner, because why would i?
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #936 on: September 24, 2018, 11:28:13 am »

and also the point that you are not dead is moot. I am not dead as well, I was like 95% sure I will be dead toDay. chairs wouldn't kill me because there would be 2 newbs and chairs and I think you would get him down. Correct move for him was to kill you or Eddie. But guess what, Eddie is not an eligible Hydrad partner as well.

You are though.

Mad propz to you if you're really scum, but I think this was chairs' desperate move.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #937 on: September 24, 2018, 11:28:42 am »

and well, if i was scum, i would not not kill you because you were nice to me. Game's a game, life's life
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #938 on: September 24, 2018, 11:30:31 am »

I don’t think I am in favor of Awaclus lynch. Why do this if we can no lynch?

OK here is the wagon at the end of the day - ish.

Important thing to remember here is that:
1) There are only two skum
2) One of the Skum is NOT GK
3) Hydrad was the only Skum!PR



Vote Count 2.8

Hydrad (3): DatSwan, chairs, Uncleeurope
chairs (4): Hydrad, LaLight, WestCoastDidds, Awaclus
Awaclus (1): gkrieg13


-Swan, Chairs, Eddie on Hydrad the whole way through. Could of hammered chairs at like any point in time. Very unlikely skum from Swan and Eddie. If it is Chairs!Hydrad... still unlikely as Hydrad was the PR, they probably would of bailed and pushed another wagon... But, still could be a thing.


- LL, WCD, Awaclus on Chairs.




Vote Count 2.9Hydrad (4): DatSwan, chairs, Uncleeurope, LaLightchairs (3): Hydrad, WestCoastDidds, AwaclusAwaclus (1): gkrieg13


- LL switches to Hydrad and puts them at L-1... Which doesn't really make sense if it is LL!Hydrad because chairs was L-1 and everyone was saying they were not going to let it go to no lynch.
- WCD and Awaclus could hammer at this point.


Final Vote Count - Day 2Hydrad (5): DatSwan, chairs, Uncleeurope, LaLight, WestCoastDiddschairs (2): Hydrad, AwaclusAwaclus (1): gkrieg13

- LL does the weird Fake Hammer thing.. Dunno what that means.

- WCD Hammers. At this point would do it as Skum or Town.
- Only other alive player that could of hammered was Awaclus.

From a VCA perspective:
- It is almost certainly NOT [Swan, Chairs, Eddie, LL].
- It could be Chairs in a far off world.
- It is most likely [Awaclus or WCD].

I am on Awaclus now, but to be honest I need to look closer at WCD.

More important than who looks skummy... Skum knows that 3-4 players look very towny. They would want as many chances to kill as possible without taking risks during the day with lynches at this point.

I am not saying no-lynch is wrong. But I am saying we got some shit to talk about before we end this day.

this is an awesome post and this post is the only reason I am not voting for chairs right away
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« Reply #939 on: September 24, 2018, 11:51:31 am »

Well I’m convinced.

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #940 on: September 24, 2018, 12:10:30 pm »

and also the point that you are not dead is moot. I am not dead as well, I was like 95% sure I will be dead toDay. chairs wouldn't kill me because there would be 2 newbs and chairs and I think you would get him down. Correct move for him was to kill you or Eddie. But guess what, Eddie is not an eligible Hydrad partner as well.

You are though.

Mad propz to you if you're really scum, but I think this was chairs' desperate move.

I’m thinking so, too, and his vote on me just now is weird, too. I need more time to read, though.

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #941 on: September 24, 2018, 12:57:28 pm »

vote: wcd

I think so too
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« Reply #942 on: September 24, 2018, 01:08:51 pm »

T H R E A D    L O C K E D

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #943 on: September 24, 2018, 01:24:30 pm »

"It's you whose the traitor!" Lumpy Space Princess exclaims, pointing an angry finger at Finn. "You're probably mad that Jake died, so you're taking it out on us!"

"You're just made it wasn't about you! You're the traitor!"

"I am not!"

"Yes you are! Lumpy-space-traitor-princess!"

"I AM NOOOO..." Suddenly, LSP coughs. She tries to breathe, but there doesn't seem to be enough oxygen.

"Don't fake being sick," Finn says, "that won't work!" But then he tries breathing in himself, and he realizes that LSP hasn't just been playing sick...

"It's really not... you is it?" He mouthes, coughing again.

"I told you it's not me!"

Finn feels himself getting dizzy. Suddenly, there is a tingling sensation all over his skin, as if the air itself is vibrating.

"B... bubble?"

The feeling intensifies. Or perhaps it is just his dulled mind...

"Not bubble anymore," comes a hiss, "it is AIR. The first thing I did after you broke out was pop myself. I popped MYSELF." And the vibration resumed, and Finn realized that it was laughing, the air was laughing...

"Why?" LSP demands. "Why would do you this?"

"Why? Well, because in the alternate world, I WAS A PSYCHOPATH. I AM A PSYCHOPATH. THAT IS ME. BUBBLE THE PSYCHOPATH. MUHAHAHAHAHAHAhahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaa"

"I'm not going to notice... anything... ever.... anymore..." Finn murmurs, or perhaps he's not strong enough anymore to do even that. The air is leaving, and leaving him to suffocate.
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« Reply #944 on: September 24, 2018, 01:25:59 pm »

Final Vote Count Day 5

WestCoastDidds (2): chairs, LaLight

Not Voting (1): WestCoastDidds

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #945 on: September 24, 2018, 01:28:47 pm »

WestCoastDidds has been lynched. She was Finn, a Vanilla Townie.

chairs, aka Lumpy Space Princess, a Vanilla Townie, has been endgamed.

The game is over. Over over over.

The scumteam of LaLight and Hydrad wins!




LaLight is the MVP!



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« Reply #946 on: September 24, 2018, 01:30:38 pm »

Lame chairs
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« Reply #947 on: September 24, 2018, 01:31:51 pm »

Blah sorry that was mean, I wasn't even playing!
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« Reply #948 on: September 24, 2018, 01:34:43 pm »

Ah well.

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #949 on: September 24, 2018, 01:35:02 pm »

Sorry Hydrad for pushing you over the edge

Double sorry infang for lynching you, I hated doing this but you were the threat

Sorry WCD, but I buddied you from the first minute in

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #950 on: September 24, 2018, 01:36:01 pm »

As the person with access to WCD's QT the whole game, I thought she was super townie  :P

How could you??
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #951 on: September 24, 2018, 01:36:27 pm »

I share the sentiment that town should not take lylo so ly-tli

Also days 3-5 contain less than a tenth of all player posts I believe. That doesn't seem good. You don't have to stop generating content after day 1, and just because you know you're gonna no-lynch doesn't mean you have to do it right away.

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« Reply #952 on: September 24, 2018, 01:37:06 pm »

Grats to Lalight obviously, WP
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« Reply #953 on: September 24, 2018, 01:37:34 pm »

true! I wanted to end days asap and it worked for some reason

My QT and scum QT in it as well
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #955 on: September 24, 2018, 01:41:46 pm »

I found it hard to really engage this game. I don’t think Town wins here either way but I am frustrated that I got caught out by LL. Ironically, after my vote but before LL I almost swapped to voting for LL but told myself that I had made the decision and shouldn’t let my gut reaction to it guide me to second guess. EVERY time I go against my gut I get screwed lol.

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« Reply #956 on: September 24, 2018, 01:43:49 pm »

Indeed - ending days quickly to "prevent information from spreading so as to not help scum" is strictly anti-town. Town's only asset is information, especially when the remaining setup is pure vanilla. Without interactions, town gets nothing to work with. Scum doesn't need those interactions. The insights are not going to give scum some magical ability with which to control the town. You may not need a full 7 days, but every player should be given the chance to weigh in and argue not only their own reads, but also their own cases if need be.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #957 on: September 24, 2018, 01:50:55 pm »

Also LaLight hammers his scum partner EVERY time, so that should have been a huge scum tell.  Well played LaLight
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #958 on: September 24, 2018, 01:51:22 pm »

Chairs, dude....you couldn’t give me a minute? Y’all lynched me while I was at the dentist!
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #959 on: September 24, 2018, 01:54:22 pm »

Well done, LL. I would have voted for you given an hour or so, so reminding Chairs of Swan’s anti-me post was smart.
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« Reply #960 on: September 24, 2018, 01:57:04 pm »

Wow, I have never seen so many wrong guesses in a speccy.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #961 on: September 24, 2018, 01:57:23 pm »

Also LaLight hammers his scum partner EVERY time, so that should have been a huge scum tell.  Well played LaLight

I didn’t hammer!
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« Reply #962 on: September 24, 2018, 02:01:45 pm »

Indeed - ending days quickly to "prevent information from spreading so as to not help scum" is strictly anti-town. Town's only asset is information, especially when the remaining setup is pure vanilla. Without interactions, town gets nothing to work with. Scum doesn't need those interactions. The insights are not going to give scum some magical ability with which to control the town. You may not need a full 7 days, but every player should be given the chance to weigh in and argue not only their own reads, but also their own cases if need be.

Yeah.

There are two ways to asses how pro town something is. The important one is player consensus. The less important one is win rate (less important because personal impact is too low and variance too high). The consensus is that self-hammering is incredibly anti town, especially if it cuts the day early. The winrate shows the same I believe.

And this is common knowledge, and it was already common knowledge before the game. I really don't think this is acceptable behavior anymore. You don't just get to do your own thing and not listen to anyone in a 13 player game. It's especially harmful if it prevents other people from signing up which it genuinely might do. Every mod can decide for themself, but my next game will be Awaclus-free, unless he makes a genuine effort to change his behavior.

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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #963 on: September 24, 2018, 02:03:23 pm »

I think my meta's going to be changed after this game in most people's eyes :)
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #964 on: September 24, 2018, 02:04:39 pm »

well, Swan's post helped me enormously. Arguably if town didn't share reads this would go other way and this proves Awaclus' point to some merit. But if people would talk days more, this would be forgotten and reads would be changed, so idk
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #965 on: September 24, 2018, 02:04:58 pm »

Also LaLight hammers his scum partner EVERY time, so that should have been a huge scum tell.  Well played LaLight

I didn’t hammer!

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« Reply #966 on: September 24, 2018, 02:06:33 pm »

Also LaLight hammers his scum partner EVERY time, so that should have been a huge scum tell.  Well played LaLight

I didn’t hammer!

True, I guess I should just say busses!

oh well, if I am scum and I bus, how can you tell I am not just town with a good read? :)
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Game over!)
« Reply #967 on: September 24, 2018, 02:26:02 pm »

Thank you, Silver, for the game.

Thank you, Iguana, for serving as coach.

I think the coach experiment was helpful. I didn’t slow the game with as many basic questions and I didn’t feel quite so isolated when the winds were blowing-anti Didds.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #968 on: September 24, 2018, 03:07:20 pm »

Sorry Hydrad for pushing you over the edge

Double sorry infang for lynching you, I hated doing this but you were the threat

Sorry WCD, but I buddied you from the first minute in

Thanks everyone for the game! I think this was my best scum performance ever!

No it's fine. If we got chairs lynched I was going to suggest that you tunnel me as hard as possible so that you hopefully have an easier next day.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Game over!)
« Reply #969 on: September 24, 2018, 03:34:34 pm »

Well played LaLight!

Sorry for giving you the chance to lynch me, if it made you feel bad like that. And I would even have defended you for going after me - I thought you'd made an honest mistake, misunderstanding me. Even told my wife that you couldn't be the scum.

And no sympathy anymore for you having no-one to talk to after you bumped off two Europeans.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Game over!)
« Reply #970 on: September 24, 2018, 03:38:21 pm »

And hi chairs, peace man.
Sorry for getting a bit carried away...
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Game over!)
« Reply #971 on: September 24, 2018, 03:43:38 pm »

Well played LaLight!

Sorry for giving you the chance to lynch me, if it made you feel bad like that. And I would even have defended you for going after me - I thought you'd made an honest mistake, misunderstanding me. Even told my wife that you couldn't be the scum.

And no sympathy anymore for you having no-one to talk to after you bumped off two Europeans.

That was objectively bummer for me :))
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Game over!)
« Reply #972 on: September 24, 2018, 06:10:53 pm »

Well played LL!
GG all.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Game over!)
« Reply #973 on: September 25, 2018, 04:30:44 am »

Nicely done LL!
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #974 on: January 19, 2019, 10:10:30 am »

From Adventure Time Mafia
I am pretty sure we had wagons on 2 scums, and I would not do this to bus my partner, because why would i?

This is kind of hilarious in light of LaLight's self-meta opinions of his own play.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Game over, Scum wins)
« Reply #975 on: January 19, 2019, 10:11:15 am »

Please disregard, sorry for bumping
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