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Re: M118: Pacific Northwest Mafia (Day Five!)
« Reply #950 on: September 10, 2018, 10:10:44 pm »

Sorry for not discussing much but I am keeping up with everything everyone says. I am trying to not give anyone hints as to what players they should target to pursuance me and just let everyone discuss their reads. I will reread the recent thoughts once more in the morning and I believe I will have my reads ready to go.
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Re: M118: Pacific Northwest Mafia (Day Five!)
« Reply #951 on: September 10, 2018, 11:00:04 pm »

Sorry for not discussing much but I am keeping up with everything everyone says. I am trying to not give anyone hints as to what players they should target to pursuance me and just let everyone discuss their reads. I will reread the recent thoughts once more in the morning and I believe I will have my reads ready to go.

What? Targeting who now? If we get this wrong, the mafia is shooting you, so there's no trying to game anybody here. It's silly not for everyone to be forthcoming at this point.
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Re: M118: Pacific Northwest Mafia (Day Five!)
« Reply #952 on: September 11, 2018, 10:08:58 am »

Okay I have made up my mind. I absolutely think we should lynch galz followed by Joseph.

First off robz and dsell are the two players who today have specifically been looking for both town and scum reads and looking for the two day big picture. Galz and Joseph have both pushed (galz soecifically) for a strong scum read based lynch today.

Galz I believe is aware I have been scum reading him and knows that the only way for him to win is to lynch Joseph today and then convince dsell to lynch robz tommorow.

Joseph has not had great analytical thoughts today at all. Mostly light retelling of wagons and very much misrepresented how gkrieg acted toward robz in day 2.


Moving on to how gkrieg acted day two as it is our best day for reads. Gkrieg made a large case/push for robz as the key ďscumĒ player on the pps quicklynch. I felt this was very sumcunny and opportunistic and is what led me to nailing gkrieg as scum.
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Why is the vote opportunistic?  I know I'm town, I am guessing that e is town.  If Robz is town, then that means that he pushed for a quickhammer as town on town and then two town went and hammered PPS.  That seems unlikely to me.  You also say that Joseph's vote was good, but that his point was weak?  How does sheeping a good vote make me opportunistic, and why is Joseph's point weak?
You said you agreed a lot with Joseph saying robz was scummy for pushing the quicklynch. Now you are claiming you find robz position on the wagon scummy which also makes very little sense.
Robz was the 4th in a wagon of 7. Sure conveniently you are the l-1 vote (you know the scummy one) and the 5th/7th votes are pseudo icís. I donít think town!gkrieg think just because votes 5/6/7 are potentially all town that makes vote 4 scum over votes 2/3 (myself and Joseph, the person you are sheeping...). So your explanation actually reeks of scum justification saying ďI know Iím town and that means this other player has to be scumĒ, when it really doesnít mean that.

Oh, didn't realize Robz was the 4th on the wagon and not the 5th.
This is absolutely not the way a scum traitor makes a case on his partner. Not a chance.

Then proceeding through  day two a few people hover on the robz wagon namely Joseph And hydrad who donít like my gkrieg case. Galz is absent for the rest of the day never pushing the gkrieg or robz wagons ones that from his perspective are both possibly town.


Moving on to dsell we have to jump back to the beginning of day 2. Pre datswans cop reveal and launching into the robz/gkrieg wagons. We have an interesting interaction. Early on in the day lalight and DatSwan both pressure galzria. They find the way he handled day one scummy and start the wagon on him. (This wagon largely goes by he wayside later on as Joseph/gkrieg make a robz case and I make my gkrieg one). But right at that point we have this:

The other two ICs have their vote on Galzria. e, what do you think about that read?

I need to look back over the game with the new information.  Looking at the 8 people in the lynchpool for today it is interesting that 4 were on wagon and 4 were off wagon D1.  I lean toward at least one scum jumping on wagon yesterday, kind of think that may be a good place to start, and Galzria isn't there.

Dsell asking 2.7 how he feels about the galz wagon and 2.7 deflecting to look at other places. Why would scum!dsell as scum!e how he feels about this wagon in this way. This is very likely a towny question from dsell and a scummy pivot from 2.7 away from his partner.

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Re: M118: Pacific Northwest Mafia (Day One!)
« Reply #953 on: September 11, 2018, 10:14:32 am »

That being said, lets go through and rate LaLight's thoughts on people:

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Galzria - he is awesome! Came back after long hiatus, ultrascum player and when town killing with his accurate reads. You probably know him, but now he's a killing machin. Let's hope he's town.
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Robz888 - he is awesome! After his own long hiatus came back and rocked! He is playing like all the games, and when he returned, he had like 4-5 games in a row when he was scum and no one ever suspected him. As town though he is usually a lackluster (his signature), so we'll see :)
When I think of Robz I always think of my first mafia game here (Toy Story) where I suspected him as scum then didn't follow through on that read and let him go.  He was scum.  That being said, smiley faces and making jokes are scummy, but not as much as they used to be almost 5(?!) years ago.

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Joseph2302 - he is awesome! Universally scumread guy who is almost never scum. Usually gets lynched and flips town. Even when we had a meetup event and played Mafia, Joseph was lynched first, being a survivor :) Usually has quite good reads though! And I am yet to see scum!Joseph. Bonus: probably will claim SK (there's none in a game if that'll confuse anyone)
Joseph does get lynched a lot.

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Dsell - you are awesome!
Is LaLight just trying to buddy everyone?  All of these comments have been positive so far.

This is also a fun post to look at.
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Re: M118: Pacific Northwest Mafia (Day Five!)
« Reply #954 on: September 11, 2018, 10:14:48 am »

Oh and vote: galzria
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Re: M118: Pacific Northwest Mafia (Day Five!)
« Reply #955 on: September 11, 2018, 10:16:10 am »

Ok. I think I can go along with this.
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Re: M118: Pacific Northwest Mafia (Day Five!)
« Reply #956 on: September 11, 2018, 10:17:54 am »

I think Galz should get his reads that's he's held tightly to out there, but unless he has an incredible case against Robz (or me) that he's been hiding under a bushel, it probably doesn't matter.
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Re: M118: Pacific Northwest Mafia (Day Five!)
« Reply #957 on: September 11, 2018, 10:47:00 am »

I am also leaning Galz. Joseph over Dsell, I'm less certain about.
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Re: M118: Pacific Northwest Mafia (Day Five!)
« Reply #958 on: September 11, 2018, 11:10:50 am »

Not scum. And this sucks, because the only person I'm convinced is town is Dsell. Lynching Joseph, then Robz would've won us the game, but Mcmc has never once read town!Galz correctly, and he's correct that I knew he wasn't doing so here. So... if Robz is scum, the loss can fully be on Mcmc. Good job.

vote: Galzria
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Blitz:
TOWN Wins: ZM11, ZM13
TOWN Losses: ZM3, ZM5, ZM6, ZM8, ZM9, ZM10
SCUM Wins: ZM1
SCUM Losses: ZM4

Total Wins: 3
Total Losses: 7

Normal Games:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Traitor)

Total Wins: 13
Total Losses: 10

Other:
TOWN Wins: DM1, BM4, BM4, BM5, BM8, BM13, DoM1, OZ2, RM45
TOWN Losses: BM1, BM2, BM3, BM6, BM11, RM3, RM4
SCUM Wins: DM3, BM7, RM1, RM2
SCUM Losses: BM9, OZ1

Total Wins: 13
Total Losses: 9

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Re: M118: Pacific Northwest Mafia (Day Five!)
« Reply #959 on: September 11, 2018, 11:17:18 am »

I am pretty confident that there is scum in [Galz, Joseph]. I think it's more likely Joseph, but there are a lot of reasons why it really doesn't make sense for Robz to be scum. There are fewer reasons why it can't be you, Galz. Your play has been townier, but we are at the stage of making hard choices.
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Re: M118: Pacific Northwest Mafia (Day Five!)
« Reply #960 on: September 11, 2018, 11:18:45 am »

Galz if you really think it's Robz you shouldn't just lay down and die. But if it's Joseph, like I think it is, we're still looking at a town victory here.
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Re: M118: Pacific Northwest Mafia (Day Five!)
« Reply #961 on: September 11, 2018, 11:22:53 am »

Not scum. And this sucks, because the only person I'm convinced is town is Dsell. Lynching Joseph, then Robz would've won us the game, but Mcmc has never once read town!Galz correctly, and he's correct that I knew he wasn't doing so here. So... if Robz is scum, the loss can fully be on Mcmc. Good job.

vote: Galzria

Maybe I donít read town galz correctly because town galz is a bit of a pompous jerk. Youíve legitimately been rude to me in most of the games we have played together recently.

Saying things like the loss is fully on me when we had multiple messed up cop moves and I pretty singlehandedly caught gkrieg is hopefully tactfully scum play to frustrate me.
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Re: M118: Pacific Northwest Mafia (Day Five!)
« Reply #962 on: September 11, 2018, 11:25:01 am »

Galz if you really think it's Robz you shouldn't just lay down and die. But if it's Joseph, like I think it is, we're still looking at a town victory here.

I agree with this. I have such a hard time getting around gkriegs day two case on robz being a scum traitor making a case against one of his scum members and fumbling what placement that partner was on the wagon.
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Re: M118: Pacific Northwest Mafia (Day Five!)
« Reply #963 on: September 11, 2018, 11:27:44 am »

Not scum. And this sucks, because the only person I'm convinced is town is Dsell. Lynching Joseph, then Robz would've won us the game, but Mcmc has never once read town!Galz correctly, and he's correct that I knew he wasn't doing so here. So... if Robz is scum, the loss can fully be on Mcmc. Good job.

vote: Galzria

This reeks of scummy emotional manipulation. Won't work!
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Re: M118: Pacific Northwest Mafia (Day Five!)
« Reply #964 on: September 11, 2018, 11:35:18 am »

Vote: Galzria
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Re: M118: Pacific Northwest Mafia (Day Five!)
« Reply #965 on: September 11, 2018, 11:35:58 am »

Not scum. And this sucks, because the only person I'm convinced is town is Dsell. Lynching Joseph, then Robz would've won us the game, but Mcmc has never once read town!Galz correctly, and he's correct that I knew he wasn't doing so here. So... if Robz is scum, the loss can fully be on Mcmc. Good job.

vote: Galzria

This reeks of scummy emotional manipulation. Won't work!

Vote me, end the day, move on.
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TOWN Wins: ZM11, ZM13
TOWN Losses: ZM3, ZM5, ZM6, ZM8, ZM9, ZM10
SCUM Wins: ZM1
SCUM Losses: ZM4

Total Wins: 3
Total Losses: 7

Normal Games:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Traitor)

Total Wins: 13
Total Losses: 10

Other:
TOWN Wins: DM1, BM4, BM4, BM5, BM8, BM13, DoM1, OZ2, RM45
TOWN Losses: BM1, BM2, BM3, BM6, BM11, RM3, RM4
SCUM Wins: DM3, BM7, RM1, RM2
SCUM Losses: BM9, OZ1

Total Wins: 13
Total Losses: 9

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Re: M118: Pacific Northwest Mafia (Day Five!)
« Reply #966 on: September 11, 2018, 11:36:35 am »

Already done, my friend.
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Re: M118: Pacific Northwest Mafia (Day Five!)
« Reply #967 on: September 11, 2018, 11:40:55 am »

Not scum. And this sucks, because the only person I'm convinced is town is Dsell. Lynching Joseph, then Robz would've won us the game, but Mcmc has never once read town!Galz correctly, and he's correct that I knew he wasn't doing so here. So... if Robz is scum, the loss can fully be on Mcmc. Good job.

vote: Galzria

Maybe I donít read town galz correctly because town galz is a bit of a pompous jerk. Youíve legitimately been rude to me in most of the games we have played together recently.

Saying things like the loss is fully on me when we had multiple messed up cop moves and I pretty singlehandedly caught gkrieg is hopefully tactfully scum play to frustrate me.

There was one messed up cop move, and you hardly single handedly caught Gkrieg.

There's almost no case on me (real life prevention me from posting much of the latter half of D2 was on me, and could be construed as scummy, if there was a world in which I could've known Gkrieg was scumscum- which there wasn't). Further, I've pushed more pro town things and ideas than almost any player this game. Your simple bias and refusal to ever read anything I do as town is the only thing coloring your read here. THAT's what's frustrating here. If I'm town in a game, and so are you, I'm essentially screwed at some point in the game.
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TOWN Wins: ZM11, ZM13
TOWN Losses: ZM3, ZM5, ZM6, ZM8, ZM9, ZM10
SCUM Wins: ZM1
SCUM Losses: ZM4

Total Wins: 3
Total Losses: 7

Normal Games:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Traitor)

Total Wins: 13
Total Losses: 10

Other:
TOWN Wins: DM1, BM4, BM4, BM5, BM8, BM13, DoM1, OZ2, RM45
TOWN Losses: BM1, BM2, BM3, BM6, BM11, RM3, RM4
SCUM Wins: DM3, BM7, RM1, RM2
SCUM Losses: BM9, OZ1

Total Wins: 13
Total Losses: 9

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Re: M118: Pacific Northwest Mafia (Day Five!)
« Reply #968 on: September 11, 2018, 11:41:31 am »

See you all in the speccy. GG scum.
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Blitz:
TOWN Wins: ZM11, ZM13
TOWN Losses: ZM3, ZM5, ZM6, ZM8, ZM9, ZM10
SCUM Wins: ZM1
SCUM Losses: ZM4

Total Wins: 3
Total Losses: 7

Normal Games:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Traitor)

Total Wins: 13
Total Losses: 10

Other:
TOWN Wins: DM1, BM4, BM4, BM5, BM8, BM13, DoM1, OZ2, RM45
TOWN Losses: BM1, BM2, BM3, BM6, BM11, RM3, RM4
SCUM Wins: DM3, BM7, RM1, RM2
SCUM Losses: BM9, OZ1

Total Wins: 13
Total Losses: 9

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Re: M118: Pacific Northwest Mafia (Day Five!)
« Reply #969 on: September 11, 2018, 11:46:10 am »

I really don't think you're right, Galz. Mcmc DID mostly single-handedly push Gkrieg - it was excellent scumhunting. Also, from my perspective it's not that you're the scummiest, it's that you've been exonerated the least (besides Joseph). Although Robz has not kept his hands perfectly clean this game, there are some things about his game or about scum's game that would have to be REAL WEIRD for him to be scum. It's not impossible, but we're in the PoE stage of the game - I don't think it's reason to be terribly upset, especially considering that we have one more lynch, which could and hopefully will win town the game.
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Re: M118: Pacific Northwest Mafia (Day Five!)
« Reply #970 on: September 11, 2018, 11:49:13 am »

Galz if you really think it's Robz you shouldn't just lay down and die. But if it's Joseph, like I think it is, we're still looking at a town victory here.

This is true. I do think it's Joseph over Robz, which is all I'm holding onto at this point.

Even if I had voted him instead of myself today, and even if you had joined me, Robz would've voted me over Joseph as any alignment, because it sets up the Joseph lynch over himself tomorrow - same goes for me pushing Robz and Joseph casting the deciding vote.
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Blitz:
TOWN Wins: ZM11, ZM13
TOWN Losses: ZM3, ZM5, ZM6, ZM8, ZM9, ZM10
SCUM Wins: ZM1
SCUM Losses: ZM4

Total Wins: 3
Total Losses: 7

Normal Games:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Traitor)

Total Wins: 13
Total Losses: 10

Other:
TOWN Wins: DM1, BM4, BM4, BM5, BM8, BM13, DoM1, OZ2, RM45
TOWN Losses: BM1, BM2, BM3, BM6, BM11, RM3, RM4
SCUM Wins: DM3, BM7, RM1, RM2
SCUM Losses: BM9, OZ1

Total Wins: 13
Total Losses: 9

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Re: M118: Pacific Northwest Mafia (Day Five!)
« Reply #971 on: September 11, 2018, 11:54:43 am »

Galz if you really think it's Robz you shouldn't just lay down and die. But if it's Joseph, like I think it is, we're still looking at a town victory here.

This is true. I do think it's Joseph over Robz, which is all I'm holding onto at this point.

Even if I had voted him instead of myself today, and even if you had joined me, Robz would've voted me over Joseph as any alignment, because it sets up the Joseph lynch over himself tomorrow - same goes for me pushing Robz and Joseph casting the deciding vote.

Today we needed to follow the IC. It was the only way anything was getting done. I wish cops had made more ICs, sure, but that's behind us. I would not have voted with you against mcmc, but if Joseph wasn't at least the secondary lynch, I would have tried to convince Mcmc to make it so.
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Re: M118: Pacific Northwest Mafia (Day Five!)
« Reply #972 on: September 11, 2018, 11:56:34 am »

I really don't think you're right, Galz. Mcmc DID mostly single-handedly push Gkrieg - it was excellent scumhunting. Also, from my perspective it's not that you're the scummiest, it's that you've been exonerated the least (besides Joseph). Although Robz has not kept his hands perfectly clean this game, there are some things about his game or about scum's game that would have to be REAL WEIRD for him to be scum. It's not impossible, but we're in the PoE stage of the game - I don't think it's reason to be terribly upset, especially considering that we have one more lynch, which could and hopefully will win town the game.

I'm not upset, oer se. It's more along the lines of:

Mcmc says I've been a jerk to him the last few games, and there's probably some truth there - but it's because it's frustrating to have a player who does nothing to better his ability to form reads when those reads are again and again and again wrong. I ALWAYS read faust scummy - but I've worked very hard at being able to separate my personal bias and what's actually scum!faust vs town!faust, and I've become very good at overcoming my desire to scum!read him in every game. I read Robz as scummy almost every game - and more, he's a player that I hate losing to when he's scum - but I know when it's time to set my bias aside and stop pursuing him and when it's not. Mcmc simply refuses to see town in anything I do, ever.

I still hope that we'll win. But we also had this pretty much locked up today. We no longer do.
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Blitz:
TOWN Wins: ZM11, ZM13
TOWN Losses: ZM3, ZM5, ZM6, ZM8, ZM9, ZM10
SCUM Wins: ZM1
SCUM Losses: ZM4

Total Wins: 3
Total Losses: 7

Normal Games:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Traitor)

Total Wins: 13
Total Losses: 10

Other:
TOWN Wins: DM1, BM4, BM4, BM5, BM8, BM13, DoM1, OZ2, RM45
TOWN Losses: BM1, BM2, BM3, BM6, BM11, RM3, RM4
SCUM Wins: DM3, BM7, RM1, RM2
SCUM Losses: BM9, OZ1

Total Wins: 13
Total Losses: 9

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Re: M118: Pacific Northwest Mafia (Day Five!)
« Reply #973 on: September 11, 2018, 11:58:50 am »

Galz if you really think it's Robz you shouldn't just lay down and die. But if it's Joseph, like I think it is, we're still looking at a town victory here.

This is true. I do think it's Joseph over Robz, which is all I'm holding onto at this point.

Even if I had voted him instead of myself today, and even if you had joined me, Robz would've voted me over Joseph as any alignment, because it sets up the Joseph lynch over himself tomorrow - same goes for me pushing Robz and Joseph casting the deciding vote.

Today we needed to follow the IC. It was the only way anything was getting done. I wish cops had made more ICs, sure, but that's behind us. I would not have voted with you against mcmc, but if Joseph wasn't at least the secondary lynch, I would have tried to convince Mcmc to make it so.

This is actually bad logic. We did not need to do anything with the IC today. He's working with the least amount of knowledge of any player. His input is valuable, yes, but ultimately comes from a position of 4 unknowns instead of 3.
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Blitz:
TOWN Wins: ZM11, ZM13
TOWN Losses: ZM3, ZM5, ZM6, ZM8, ZM9, ZM10
SCUM Wins: ZM1
SCUM Losses: ZM4

Total Wins: 3
Total Losses: 7

Normal Games:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Traitor)

Total Wins: 13
Total Losses: 10

Other:
TOWN Wins: DM1, BM4, BM4, BM5, BM8, BM13, DoM1, OZ2, RM45
TOWN Losses: BM1, BM2, BM3, BM6, BM11, RM3, RM4
SCUM Wins: DM3, BM7, RM1, RM2
SCUM Losses: BM9, OZ1

Total Wins: 13
Total Losses: 9

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Re: M118: Pacific Northwest Mafia (Day Five!)
« Reply #974 on: September 11, 2018, 11:59:32 am »

Galz if you really think it's Robz you shouldn't just lay down and die. But if it's Joseph, like I think it is, we're still looking at a town victory here.

This is true. I do think it's Joseph over Robz, which is all I'm holding onto at this point.

Even if I had voted him instead of myself today, and even if you had joined me, Robz would've voted me over Joseph as any alignment, because it sets up the Joseph lynch over himself tomorrow - same goes for me pushing Robz and Joseph casting the deciding vote.

But I'm not trying to "set up the Joseph lynch over myself tomorrow"! I'm trying to figure out who's scum, and I'm the least convinced it's Joseph over Dsell of anyone.
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