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Author Topic: M118: Pacific Northwest Mafia (Game Over, Town Wins!)  (Read 123293 times)

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Re: M118: Pacific Northwest Mafia (Day Two!)
« Reply #250 on: August 26, 2018, 03:28:51 am »

A) Wrong. Less people alive, easier to deduce skum after the fact.
B) My method takes like 8 additional seconds.

Your point is nonsensical. You said that more people alive give scum more strength when it comes to claiming via a popcorn method - this is simply untrue. The greater the ratio of town to scum, the less scum can control the order of claims. Further, you're now claiming something completely different, something unrelated to anything you said in the first post - that the fewer people alive the easier it is deduce scum after the fact.

This is also untrue, as we're going to see 3 claims, maybe 4 in total, and we already know what they are. Cop, Cop, Cop, and maybe Cop. It's not as if scum can fakeclaim something here - the two members of the mafia team will be claiming VT just like every other VT in the game. What order they get to do so in is irrelevant, and any attempt to draw conclusions based on claiming order will ultimately lead to no useful ends. The only player that can reasonably fakeclaim isn't known to anybody but himself, and thus the only thing we want to avoid is that player getting to claim early.

I endorse this. Especially the last sentence.

Though I will point out, they are dis-incentivized from fake claiming early, since they could mistakenly claim the same thing as the two sane cops.

Sorry, my last word was obviously backwards - we don't want them to claim LATE, as they can then match their claim. Early forces them to choose not to claim, or to risk claiming incorrectly.

I don't see a way to FORCE them to claim early though - if we do it randomly they have a chance to get the last, safest spot randomly.

We want them to feel PRESSURE to claim early, for the reasons you mentioned. But I don't see a way to force it. Hence, there needs to be a lot of suspicion on the late claimants - assuming there wasn't a bungled claim (like 3 people claiming a guilty result).

That's why I liked the idea of a popcorn claim. If each player popcorns their highest scum read, we increase the chances of forcing* an earlier claim... at least, the increase in chance is about equal to the quality of our reads. It may not be much but... it's about the best I can think of outside of letting randomness decide if we get lucky or not.

Are you suggesting that we popcorn and claim both role and alignment at the same time?

I think that's ultimately the safer bet...

If we don't do so, if we make a cop claim and then make a results claim, then the order we go in now (first round) doesn't matter - either the traitor is or is not going to claim cop. He can do so first, or he can do so last - it doesn't actually change anything.

At that point, on the second round of claiming, we want to try and force the traitor to claim early - but is there any feasible way to do so?

If we claim both at the same time, ultimately we run into the same issue... except that if, say, the traitor is called on early to claim they may choose not to claim instead of risk messing it up. In this case, we'll at least get 3 IC's out of the claiming process. And if they don't like the sound of that, then let them claim and risk it.

I guess ultimately I think the risk of them getting to go last is about the same, but the benefit of doing both forces an early traitor into deciding to risk the claim at all or not.
I am Cop. Galzria next.

Not until you claim results.

Why?

I'll claim now if you agree to claim results as the first claim after cop/no cop claims.

again, why is that?
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TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
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Re: M118: Pacific Northwest Mafia (Day Two!)
« Reply #251 on: August 26, 2018, 03:33:15 am »

oh ok. My result – Faust was town-aligned.
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Re: M118: Pacific Northwest Mafia (Day Two!)
« Reply #252 on: August 26, 2018, 03:36:03 am »

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Derphammering is when quickhammers go derp.

Faust has also been incredibly stubborn this game. In other news, it's hot in the summer, and water falls from the sky when it rains.


Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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Re: M118: Pacific Northwest Mafia (Day Two!)
« Reply #253 on: August 26, 2018, 03:36:34 am »

Awaclus next
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Derphammering is when quickhammers go derp.

Faust has also been incredibly stubborn this game. In other news, it's hot in the summer, and water falls from the sky when it rains.


Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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Re: M118: Pacific Northwest Mafia (Day Two!)
« Reply #254 on: August 26, 2018, 04:11:25 am »

why is would claiming results be beneficial?
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Re: M118: Pacific Northwest Mafia (Day Two!)
« Reply #255 on: August 26, 2018, 04:58:15 am »

why is would claiming results be beneficial?
Might as well, it's a way to maybe trap scum
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Re: M118: Pacific Northwest Mafia (Day Two!)
« Reply #256 on: August 26, 2018, 05:44:30 am »

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Re: M118: Pacific Northwest Mafia (Day Two!)
« Reply #257 on: August 26, 2018, 07:31:19 am »

Well, glad you guys had that discussion while I was asleep and was able to wake up for my turn to claim.

Cop: faust was town-aligned
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Re: M118: Pacific Northwest Mafia (Day Two!)
« Reply #258 on: August 26, 2018, 11:11:23 am »

Well it's been a little freeform, which I think has probably been fine so far. E, I think your highest scum read should claim next though - who is it?
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Re: M118: Pacific Northwest Mafia (Day Two!)
« Reply #259 on: August 26, 2018, 11:15:37 am »

Well it's been a little freeform, which I think has probably been fine so far. E, I think your highest scum read should claim next though - who is it?

Not really. Mcmcsalot is up next, signups order.
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Re: M118: Pacific Northwest Mafia (Day Two!)
« Reply #260 on: August 26, 2018, 11:18:19 am »

Oh wait we're doing sign up order? I thought we didn't want to do that because the traitor could be last, luckily, and be able to make a perfectly safe claim with no suspicion thrown on them? I don't like this.
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Re: M118: Pacific Northwest Mafia (Day Two!)
« Reply #261 on: August 26, 2018, 11:19:15 am »

LaLight and e, I'll treat you as ICs for the moment. Do you really think this is a good idea?
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Re: M118: Pacific Northwest Mafia (Day Two!)
« Reply #262 on: August 26, 2018, 11:19:38 am »

Oh wait we're doing sign up order? I thought we didn't want to do that because the traitor could be last, luckily, and be able to make a perfectly safe claim with no suspicion thrown on them? I don't like this.

This is as likely as anything else.
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Re: M118: Pacific Northwest Mafia (Day Two!)
« Reply #263 on: August 26, 2018, 11:19:55 am »

Oh wait we're doing sign up order? I thought we didn't want to do that because the traitor could be last, luckily, and be able to make a perfectly safe claim with no suspicion thrown on them? I don't like this.

This is as likely as anything else.

I also think you're scummy :)
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Re: M118: Pacific Northwest Mafia (Day Two!)
« Reply #264 on: August 26, 2018, 11:20:55 am »

LaLight and e, I'll treat you as ICs for the moment. Do you really think this is a good idea?

This was initially my idea, yes. Let's see the results first.
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Re: M118: Pacific Northwest Mafia (Day Two!)
« Reply #265 on: August 26, 2018, 11:22:03 am »

LaLight and e, I'll treat you as ICs for the moment. Do you really think this is a good idea?

Why exactly do you treat e as an IC?
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Re: M118: Pacific Northwest Mafia (Day Two!)
« Reply #266 on: August 26, 2018, 11:22:37 am »

I would rather you and e choose the order by listing your top scumreads. If datswan is the traitor, he can absolutely make whatever claim is safest. Honestly though it's probably too late for that to matter now that we have two claims. Damn damn damn.
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Re: M118: Pacific Northwest Mafia (Day Two!)
« Reply #267 on: August 26, 2018, 11:23:20 am »

LaLight and e, I'll treat you as ICs for the moment. Do you really think this is a good idea?

Why exactly do you treat e as an IC?

For the moment. If a third person claims a town result, or if two people claim scum results on Faust, everything changes.
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Re: M118: Pacific Northwest Mafia (Day Two!)
« Reply #268 on: August 26, 2018, 11:24:07 am »

I would rather you and e choose the order by listing your top scumreads. If datswan is the traitor, he can absolutely make whatever claim is safest. Honestly though it's probably too late for that to matter now that we have two claims. Damn damn damn.

My top scum reads atm are Galz and Awaclus, so ok with me
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Re: M118: Pacific Northwest Mafia (Day Two!)
« Reply #269 on: August 26, 2018, 11:46:43 am »

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Re: M118: Pacific Northwest Mafia (Day Two!)
« Reply #270 on: August 26, 2018, 11:47:22 am »

I think going signup order is much preferable to any other order.  Just in regards to getting claims out quickly so we can focus on other things.

Yeah, we have no clue where traitor/scum are located in signup order, but I don't think I could do much better organizing a claim order than sign-up order.
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Re: M118: Pacific Northwest Mafia (Day Two!)
« Reply #271 on: August 26, 2018, 12:35:43 pm »

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Re: M118: Pacific Northwest Mafia (Day Two!)
« Reply #272 on: August 26, 2018, 12:40:50 pm »

7. Joseph2302
8. Hydrad
9. Dsell
10. gkrieg13
11. DatSwan
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Re: M118: Pacific Northwest Mafia (Day Two!)
« Reply #273 on: August 26, 2018, 03:41:23 pm »

Just waiting it out.

Also signup order is as good as I think we could have done as in a way it was made by an ic and scum has no influence on it
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Re: M118: Pacific Northwest Mafia (Day Two!)
« Reply #274 on: August 26, 2018, 03:57:31 pm »

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