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Re: Newbie Mafia 12: Your Favorite Animal Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #525 on: August 24, 2018, 09:24:02 am »

I guess I should have trusted my gut more on Simon. Glad everything worked out anyways.

I'm fine with not lynching and letting phyphor investigate people.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 12: Your Favorite Animal Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #526 on: August 24, 2018, 09:31:38 am »

I think we're only waiting to hear from UoS, then phyphor will be conf!town.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 12: Your Favorite Animal Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #527 on: August 24, 2018, 09:55:02 am »

I think we're only waiting to hear from UoS, then phyphor will be conf!town.

So, if UoS doesn't claim something, that means someone is the doctor and is following the advice not to claim? And then we no lynch and Phy tracks? am I following?
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Re: Newbie Mafia 12: Your Favorite Animal Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #528 on: August 24, 2018, 10:00:17 am »

I think we're only waiting to hear from UoS, then phyphor will be conf!town.

So, if UoS doesn't claim something, that means someone is the doctor and is following the advice not to claim? And then we no lynch and Phy tracks? am I following?
I'm still in favor of lynching mcmc and then if we haven't won let phy track people.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 12: Your Favorite Animal Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #529 on: August 24, 2018, 10:07:15 am »

I think we're only waiting to hear from UoS, then phyphor will be conf!town.

So, if UoS doesn't claim something, that means someone is the doctor and is following the advice not to claim? And then we no lynch and Phy tracks? am I following?
I'm still in favor of lynching mcmc and then if we haven't won let phy track people.

It’s best for us to no lynch and continue to let phy track. The only think lynching does is benefit scum. In a world where you as scum no killed last night you now need to start picking off townies as fast as possible scum currently needs to kill the doctor so phy is guaranteed another track which will be an ic, and if scum doesn’t hit the doctor we get increasing amount of ic’s/shots at scum as time goes on.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 12: Your Favorite Animal Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #530 on: August 24, 2018, 10:17:48 am »

I think we're only waiting to hear from UoS, then phyphor will be conf!town.

So, if UoS doesn't claim something, that means someone is the doctor and is following the advice not to claim? And then we no lynch and Phy tracks? am I following?
I'm still in favor of lynching mcmc and then if we haven't won let phy track people.

It’s best for us to no lynch and continue to let phy track. The only think lynching does is benefit scum. In a world where you as scum no killed last night you now need to start picking off townies as fast as possible scum currently needs to kill the doctor so phy is guaranteed another track which will be an ic, and if scum doesn’t hit the doctor we get increasing amount of ic’s/shots at scum as time goes on.
So if we give up a shot at hitting scum, we gain a shot at hitting scum? I mean you already softclaimed non-doctor so I don't quite see how lynching you benefits scum. There is very little functional difference for us between a dead VT and an IC'd VT.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 12: Your Favorite Animal Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #531 on: August 24, 2018, 10:22:42 am »

I think we're only waiting to hear from UoS, then phyphor will be conf!town.

So, if UoS doesn't claim something, that means someone is the doctor and is following the advice not to claim? And then we no lynch and Phy tracks? am I following?
I'm still in favor of lynching mcmc and then if we haven't won let phy track people.

It’s best for us to no lynch and continue to let phy track. The only think lynching does is benefit scum. In a world where you as scum no killed last night you now need to start picking off townies as fast as possible scum currently needs to kill the doctor so phy is guaranteed another track which will be an ic, and if scum doesn’t hit the doctor we get increasing amount of ic’s/shots at scum as time goes on.
So if we give up a shot at hitting scum, we gain a shot at hitting scum? I mean you already softclaimed non-doctor so I don't quite see how lynching you benefits scum. There is very little functional difference for us between a dead VT and an IC'd VT.

You are right, a dead vt and an ic vt only have one difference, scum still needs to kill the IC vt to win.

We should 100% be no lynching
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Re: Newbie Mafia 12: Your Favorite Animal Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #532 on: August 24, 2018, 10:29:46 am »

I think we're only waiting to hear from UoS, then phyphor will be conf!town.

So, if UoS doesn't claim something, that means someone is the doctor and is following the advice not to claim? And then we no lynch and Phy tracks? am I following?
I'm still in favor of lynching mcmc and then if we haven't won let phy track people.
ye. I agree

I think we're only waiting to hear from UoS, then phyphor will be conf!town.

So, if UoS doesn't claim something, that means someone is the doctor and is following the advice not to claim? And then we no lynch and Phy tracks? am I following?

yup (except for the lynching mcmc first part)

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Re: Newbie Mafia 12: Your Favorite Animal Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #533 on: August 24, 2018, 10:34:13 am »

yup (except for the lynching mcmc first part)

And we'd lynch him in hopes that is he is scum we have a perfect game and can revel in our awesomeness?
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Re: Newbie Mafia 12: Your Favorite Animal Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #534 on: August 24, 2018, 10:55:19 am »

yup (except for the lynching mcmc first part)

And we'd lynch him in hopes that is he is scum we have a perfect game and can revel in our awesomeness?
Pretty much. I mean there is no serious downside to lynching him now. phyphor has some number of investigations that does not depend on mcmc being alive, only on the accuracy of scum. The only scenario where keeping mcmc alive would help is one where phyphor continually stays alive and still can't figure out who's scum. So scum would have to continually kill off phy's investigation targets until we are down to 3 alive. That even if we lynch mcmc today still 4 investigations away. It won't happen that way.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 12: Your Favorite Animal Mafia (Day 2!)
« Reply #535 on: August 24, 2018, 11:25:36 am »

I think you are misrepresenting how much time we have and are leading us down the only path scum has to win because you want a “perfect game”.

1IC, 6T, 1M

Mislynch + nk = 5T, 1M plus one tracking result = 2IC, 3T, 1M
If the kill hits the doctor that is the last tracking result we get. The next day
Mislynch + nk = 1IC, 2T, 1M. No new result because tracker will have died. This is mylo, one more mislynch + nk = 1T, 1M and mafia wins.

So in a world where mafia hits the doctor tonight and the tracker tommorow we only get 2 more mislynches.  If Faust is scum who no killed last night and is now very likely to make it to the end of the game, this is the way he wins.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 12: Your Favorite Animal Mafia (Day 2!)
« Reply #536 on: August 24, 2018, 01:11:54 pm »

Mislynch + nk = 5T, 1M plus one tracking result = 2IC, 3T, 1M

I think it makes no difference. Here's looking at both scenarios. Assuming everything goes wrong, how much has to go wrong for us to end up at LyLo?

Let's say we begin by lynching mcmc. [Towns (ICs) / Scum:]
7 (1) / 1 -> mislynch -> NK on doctor -> 5 (2) / 1 -> mislynch -> NK on IC -> 3 (1) / 1 = LyLo (with 1 IC)

In order to get to LyLo, we need 2 mislynches and the wrong target from phy, and scum needs to hit doctor immediately.

Let's say we no-lynch immediately. Then
7 (1) / 1 -> nolynch -> NK on doctor -> 6 (2) / 1 -> mislynch -> NK on IC -> 4 (1) / 1 -> mislynch -> NK on IC -> 2 /1 = LyLo

Also requires 2 mislynches, the wrong target from phy, and that scum hits the doctor first try. Same as above.

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Re: Newbie Mafia 12: Your Favorite Animal Mafia (Day 2!)
« Reply #537 on: August 24, 2018, 01:13:18 pm »

So... yeah. Let's lunch MC.

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Re: Newbie Mafia 12: Your Favorite Animal Mafia (Day 2!)
« Reply #538 on: August 24, 2018, 01:20:02 pm »

Hi everyone.

I'm not a Jailkeeper or a Cop.

I like trying to shoot for a perfect game.

If Mcmcsalot is scum, the way he wins is to draw the investigation tonight and No Kill, then start killing again once he is cleared. The same goes for Cube or anyone else. The IC is only a true IC if someone dies, although I think this first time is more likely.

Haven't read everything posted today so far, will get to it, but wanted to chime in so you aren't all in suspense. Actually based on the lack of NK I was first thinking Cube was the more likely scum than Mcmc. But I don't think either of them are the players we want to be bringing into the hypothetical LYLO where Tracker has terrible accuracy and we mislynch peopled.

Plus, perfect game would be fun.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 12: Your Favorite Animal Mafia (Day 2!)
« Reply #539 on: August 24, 2018, 01:28:54 pm »

If Mcmcsalot is scum, the way he wins is to draw the investigation tonight and No Kill, then start killing again once he is cleared.

nonono. If a no-kill occurs, we no-lynch and the tracker targets the same guy again in respose.

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Re: Newbie Mafia 12: Your Favorite Animal Mafia (Day 2!)
« Reply #540 on: August 24, 2018, 01:43:47 pm »

If Mcmcsalot is scum, the way he wins is to draw the investigation tonight and No Kill, then start killing again once he is cleared.

nonono. If a no-kill occurs, we no-lynch and the tracker targets the same guy again in respose.

Silver is correct here, which is why scum!faust who no lynched last night and people aren’t talking about needing to be tracked again wants to push us to just go for a perfect game and lynch me instead of the more logical play which is to no lynch and take our time.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 12: Your Favorite Animal Mafia (Day 2!)
« Reply #541 on: August 24, 2018, 01:45:23 pm »

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Re: Newbie Mafia 12: Your Favorite Animal Mafia (Day 2!)
« Reply #544 on: August 24, 2018, 02:31:26 pm »

you've now tried to smear the two semi-ICs instead of any reasonable target.

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« Reply #545 on: August 24, 2018, 02:49:41 pm »

If just a doctor claims, the doctor is an IC. We know nothing about their target. There would still be a chance phyphor is lying scum, or that Faust is scum who chose not to kill.

Sure, I can agree that this is pretty scummy. vote: mcmc
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« Reply #546 on: August 24, 2018, 02:52:41 pm »

If just a doctor claims, the doctor is an IC. We know nothing about their target. There would still be a chance phyphor is lying scum, or that Faust is scum who chose not to kill.

Sure, I can agree that this is pretty scummy. vote: mcmc

Pretty sure that is L-1 for Mcmc....

vote count 2.WCD takes 5 to lynch

MCMC (4): hypercube, UncleEddie, faust, silver
not voting: WCD, UoS, Mcmc, Phy

Intent to hammer Mcmc....

someone tell me the correct amount of time to wait, please :)
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« Reply #548 on: August 24, 2018, 03:02:49 pm »

If just a doctor claims, the doctor is an IC. We know nothing about their target. There would still be a chance phyphor is lying scum, or that Faust is scum who chose not to kill.

Sure, I can agree that this is pretty scummy. vote: mcmc
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« Reply #549 on: August 24, 2018, 03:03:31 pm »

If just a doctor claims, the doctor is an IC. We know nothing about their target. There would still be a chance phyphor is lying scum, or that Faust is scum who chose not to kill.

Sure, I can agree that this is pretty scummy. vote: mcmc

Pretty sure that is L-1 for Mcmc....

vote count 2.WCD takes 5 to lynch

MCMC (4): hypercube, UncleEddie, faust, silver
not voting: WCD, UoS, Mcmc, Phy

Intent to hammer Mcmc....

someone tell me the correct amount of time to wait, please :)

The correct amount of time is don’t do it!!!
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