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Re: Newbie Mafia 12: Your Favorite Animal Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #500 on: August 24, 2018, 04:44:03 am »

@LaLight: What are the rules for a situation where we repeatedly no-lynch, no-kill?

You just play until you're starved to death. On a serious note, if scum team forgoes the kill 3 times in a row, town wins.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 12: Your Favorite Animal Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #501 on: August 24, 2018, 04:46:25 am »

@LaLight: What are the rules for a situation where we repeatedly no-lynch, no-kill?

You just play until you're starved to death. On a serious note, if scum team forgoes the kill 3 times in a row, town wins.

Forgoes the kill or fails to kill?
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Re: Newbie Mafia 12: Your Favorite Animal Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #502 on: August 24, 2018, 04:47:04 am »

without me the lynch would have never happened, though. that's some very bold scum play you're imagining here.

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Re: Newbie Mafia 12: Your Favorite Animal Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #503 on: August 24, 2018, 04:47:35 am »

pretty sure I would only do something like that absent a tracker or cop.

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Re: Newbie Mafia 12: Your Favorite Animal Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #504 on: August 24, 2018, 04:51:20 am »

So to make sure we have this claiming business under order.

Tracker can appear only with Cop, Doctor, or Jailkeeper. Therefore, if you are either a Neopolitan or the real Tracker, you should definitely claim, because then we simply lynch phyphor and win.

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Re: Newbie Mafia 12: Your Favorite Animal Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #505 on: August 24, 2018, 04:52:23 am »

If you're the cop I think it's not obvious but I wouldn't object a claim. If you're the doctor don't claim.

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Re: Newbie Mafia 12: Your Favorite Animal Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #506 on: August 24, 2018, 04:54:24 am »

@LaLight: What are the rules for a situation where we repeatedly no-lynch, no-kill?

You just play until you're starved to death. On a serious note, if scum team forgoes the kill 3 times in a row, town wins.

Forgoes the kill or fails to kill?

Both. If there's no kill for 3 nights in a row, town wins.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 12: Your Favorite Animal Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #507 on: August 24, 2018, 04:55:21 am »

so mcmc stated suspicion on simon but then never voted. That does indeed look bad.

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Re: Newbie Mafia 12: Your Favorite Animal Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #508 on: August 24, 2018, 04:59:58 am »

Follow-the-tracker works with both a JK and a doctor... hmm...

Ok, so we didn't explain what that means. Here is what it means. We don't lynch people anymore. Doctor/JK protects the claimed tracker (phyphor) every night. Phyphor tracks one person every night. If a person gets NKd but phyphor doesn't see its target targeting anyone, then its target is proven town. If phyphor sees its target targeting the person who was killed, then its target is scum, obviously. So in effect tracker does the same thing as Cop. If scum chooses not to NK anyone, well then we simply do the same next night. as LaLight just confirmed, scum eventually does have to kill people.

In effect tracker has identical function to a Cop.

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Re: Newbie Mafia 12: Your Favorite Animal Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #509 on: August 24, 2018, 05:10:47 am »

Follow-the-tracker works with both a JK and a doctor... hmm...

Ok, so we didn't explain what that means. Here is what it means. We don't lynch people anymore. Doctor/JK protects the claimed tracker (phyphor) every night. Phyphor tracks one person every night. If a person gets NKd but phyphor doesn't see its target targeting anyone, then its target is proven town. If phyphor sees its target targeting the person who was killed, then its target is scum, obviously. So in effect tracker does the same thing as Cop. If scum chooses not to NK anyone, well then we simply do the same next night. as LaLight just confirmed, scum eventually does have to kill people.

In effect tracker has identical function to a Cop.
Err... a Jailkeeper would block any action that phyphor takes...
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Re: Newbie Mafia 12: Your Favorite Animal Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #510 on: August 24, 2018, 05:14:46 am »

We don't lynch people anymore.
I am not sure why this would be beneficial.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 12: Your Favorite Animal Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #511 on: August 24, 2018, 05:43:57 am »

Follow-the-tracker works with both a JK and a doctor... hmm...

Ok, so we didn't explain what that means. Here is what it means. We don't lynch people anymore. Doctor/JK protects the claimed tracker (phyphor) every night. Phyphor tracks one person every night. If a person gets NKd but phyphor doesn't see its target targeting anyone, then its target is proven town. If phyphor sees its target targeting the person who was killed, then its target is scum, obviously. So in effect tracker does the same thing as Cop. If scum chooses not to NK anyone, well then we simply do the same next night. as LaLight just confirmed, scum eventually does have to kill people.

In effect tracker has identical function to a Cop.
Err... a Jailkeeper would block any action that phyphor takes...

Oh, right.

We don't lynch people anymore.
I am not sure why this would be beneficial.

Not lynching means more time to investigate people. I thought it was common wisdom to stop lynching when playing follow-the-cop

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Re: Newbie Mafia 12: Your Favorite Animal Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #512 on: August 24, 2018, 06:02:37 am »

Not lynching means more time to investigate people. I thought it was common wisdom to stop lynching when playing follow-the-cop
Lynching is also a way to investigate people. And it is actually not functionally different really.

Say player X is suspicious.

Plan A: phyphor investigates X N2. We find out X is scum, we win. We find out X is town, well optimal play for scum is to kill X during N3. We start D4 with one investigation.

Plan B: We lynch X. Same situation. We start D3 with one investigation. The only thing different is that it took us one Day less to get there.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 12: Your Favorite Animal Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #513 on: August 24, 2018, 06:18:43 am »

But if phyhor investigates X and X is town, then phyphor can just say "I found out someone is town" and not reveal who it is. Then plan A becomes better because we can stockpile ICs. And there's no risk in doing this because scum has to NK the doctor before they can NK phyphor, so phyphor can claim all of his targets once that happens.

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Re: Newbie Mafia 12: Your Favorite Animal Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #514 on: August 24, 2018, 06:23:00 am »

But if phyhor investigates X and X is town, then phyphor can just say "I found out someone is town" and not reveal who it is. Then plan A becomes better because we can stockpile ICs. And there's no risk in doing this because scum has to NK the doctor before they can NK phyphor, so phyphor can claim all of his targets once that happens.
That is a good thing to do.

I just have a really strong feeling that it's not going to take us more than 2 investigations anyway, but you are of course correct and this is probably the best play.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 12: Your Favorite Animal Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #515 on: August 24, 2018, 06:29:40 am »

But if phyhor investigates X and X is town, then phyphor can just say "I found out someone is town" and not reveal who it is. Then plan A becomes better because we can stockpile ICs. And there's no risk in doing this because scum has to NK the doctor before they can NK phyphor, so phyphor can claim all of his targets once that happens.
That is a good thing to do.

I just have a really strong feeling that it's not going to take us more than 2 investigations anyway, but you are of course correct and this is probably the best play.
Oh on the other hand we can still lynch today since we don't run any risk of lynching a player that phy investigated. Maybe this is just me wanting to find arguments for securing the perfect win.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 12: Your Favorite Animal Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #516 on: August 24, 2018, 06:59:27 am »

Alright, scum lynch day one plus a no kill. We pretty much have this in the bag though I’m not sure the IC credit being thrown around is totally merited. I do think we can massclaim and then really know what’s going on.

Here is what happens if we massclaim:
If a Neapolitan claims then we win, one of phyphor or the Neapolitan must be scum.
If a cop and a doctor claim we win, one of phyphor or the cop or the doc must be scum.
If a jk and a doctor claim we win, same as cop and doctor.

If just a cop claims, the cop is an IC and the cops target last night is an IC. There would still be a chance that phyphor is lying scum, or that Faust is scum who chose not to kill.

If just a jailkeeper claims, the jailkeeper is an IC, we know nothing about their target. There would still be a chance phyphor is lying scum or that Faust is scum who chose not to kill.

If just a doctor claims, the doctor is an IC. We know nothing about their target. There would still be a chance phyphor is lying scum, or that Faust is scum who chose not to kill.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 12: Your Favorite Animal Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #517 on: August 24, 2018, 07:12:34 am »

If just a doctor claims, the doctor is an IC. We know nothing about their target. There would still be a chance phyphor is lying scum, or that Faust is scum who chose not to kill.
No, there would not be a chance that phyphor is scum. But nice try.

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Re: Newbie Mafia 12: Your Favorite Animal Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #518 on: August 24, 2018, 07:15:07 am »

Just to reiterate. Doctor, do not claim. It is terrible for you to claim. Any one power role should claim.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 12: Your Favorite Animal Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #519 on: August 24, 2018, 07:15:31 am »

Just to reiterate. Doctor, do not claim. It is terrible for you to claim. Any oneother power role should claim.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 12: Your Favorite Animal Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #520 on: August 24, 2018, 07:26:35 am »

Oh right, no instance of solo doctor occurs so in the event there is a doctor tracker is IC.

So in the event no other pr claims phyphor is an IC.

So yea if there is a non doc or they should claim then if there is also a doctor they should claim because we would win.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 12: Your Favorite Animal Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #521 on: August 24, 2018, 07:29:52 am »

If just a doctor claims, the doctor is an IC. We know nothing about their target. There would still be a chance phyphor is lying scum, or that Faust is scum who chose not to kill.
No, there would not be a chance that phyphor is scum. But nice try.

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Do you think I am scummy because I made an error about the setup? Or because I was like you not on the simon wagon which didn’t need my vote to go through and I said I was fine with going through but that I felt the case was no stronger than my silver case and only a bit better than the umbrage case.

As long as the lynch wasn’t you/wcd/Europe I was fine with it.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 12: Your Favorite Animal Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #522 on: August 24, 2018, 07:36:04 am »

If just a doctor claims, the doctor is an IC. We know nothing about their target. There would still be a chance phyphor is lying scum, or that Faust is scum who chose not to kill.
No, there would not be a chance that phyphor is scum. But nice try.

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Do you think I am scummy because I made an error about the setup? Or because I was like you not on the simon wagon which didn’t need my vote to go through and I said I was fine with going through but that I felt the case was no stronger than my silver case and only a bit better than the umbrage case.

As long as the lynch wasn’t you/wcd/Europe I was fine with it.
Yes.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 12: Your Favorite Animal Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #523 on: August 24, 2018, 08:09:15 am »

Well you are probably town and you probably win even if you lynch me so it’s all good.

For what it’s worth I still think silver is scummy.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 12: Your Favorite Animal Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #524 on: August 24, 2018, 08:37:54 am »

Yahoo!

I found the lynching somewhat stressful because I was past needing to go to sleep but still needed to vote to avoid some inadvertent no lynch if the europe folks didn’t get up soon enough. The good news of that particular stress, aside from lynching scum a few hours early, is that the deadline is no longer at 4 am for me.

FWIW, the 12 minutes between the intent to hammer and hammer was largely determined by my inability to stay up any longer. Simon was showing online green the whole time, so he was on, even if he wasn’t on our board. I guess I could have figured out my intent sooner, but it was his last post pushing Hyper that made my choice. Anyway, apologies if I did any of that with newbish inelegance.

Thanks, all, for spelling out the acronyms and the scenarios. I’ll wait to see if anyone has anything else to say about their roles...but reading Faust reminded me that Simon finding confidence in San Alina’s posts seems to come out of nowhere. She hadn’t posted much at all, and had provided very little commentary. So, as far as partners go MC seems a likely possibility.
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