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[WestCoastDidds]

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Also, if being nice to you has contributed to a town read, that means it was effective.

This annoys me a bit more than it should probably. Almost nothing other than RVS had happened by then and I made a case based almost on tone (which really irks being hit by, I should know) and when I saw a change I wanted to state that I saw it. First hunch, she wasn't obv!town for me because of it or anything. Also I got called "erratic" and in my language the similar term is borderline offensive. I really thought she was affected in a bad way.

And "Oh, sorry for having ever suspected you!" is not a tiny exaggeration for "I will leave it by now, I think." Jeez, don't get short of scumpaint there, will ya?

I will never encourage anyone again, I swear..

It seems suspect up me that UoS is focusing on this to the extent he has...it’s keeping all kinds of s/s/s attention off him. Remember, he was being squirrelly about me then, too.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

It seems suspect up me that UoS is focusing on this to the extent he has...it’s keeping all kinds of s/s/s attention off him. Remember, he was being squirrelly about me then, too.

If you mean the buddying thing, check your confirmation bias. Go reread what I've said today (protip: name: umbrage). Even that post isn't very much about that, Simon is making it about that.

If you just mean that I'm focussing on Simon, well I'd much rather lynch Simon than Silver or myself, which shouldn't surprise anyone.

[phyphor]

If you just mean that I'm focussing on Simon, well I'd much rather lynch Simon than Silver or myself, which shouldn't surprise anyone.

You trust silver that much?

[UmbrageOfSnow]

If you just mean that I'm focussing on Simon, well I'd much rather lynch Simon than Silver or myself, which shouldn't surprise anyone.

You trust silver that much?

Not all that much, but I mean it shouldn't be surprising because Simon was my 2nd top scumread when I caught up to the game and I haven't liked his posting on me since. And I don't care for mcmcsalot's case on Silver.

[silverspawn]

going to sleep now. I hope to wake up to a lynched scum!

[hypercube]

I'm going to trust the people I'm townreading here and vote: phyphor.

[Uncleeurope]

I'm going to trust the people I'm townreading here and vote: phyphor.

Yuck

[hypercube]

Vote Count 1.cube

Simon Jester (3): silverspawn, Uncleeurope, UmbrageOfSnow
phyphor (3):, mcmcsalot, faust, hypercube
UmbrageOfSnow (2): WestCoastDidds, Simon Jester
faust (1): phyphor

[Simon Jester]

I'm going to trust the people I'm townreading here and vote: phyphor.

Yuck

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Hyper is so townie, yeah, hyper can't be scum. No, no, no.

Albeit this is just odd more than scummy at this point, but still. Woah.

[phyphor]

I'm going to trust the people I'm townreading here and vote: phyphor.

Spicy!

Foolish, but hella spicy!

Clearly I should L-1 Simon Jester in order to save my skin, but I don't particularly feel compelled to dance to someone else's tune.

So, what next?

[hypercube]

I'm going to trust the people I'm townreading here and vote: phyphor.

Yuck

'

Hyper is so townie, yeah, hyper can't be scum. No, no, no.

Albeit this is just odd more than scummy at this point, but still. Woah.

Well, the point of having townreads is that you can place value on their opinions when you have difficult decisions to make. I think it's completely plausible that phyphor recognized it was in trouble and spent its time coming up with a fake claim rather than fake reads. However, to make a decision the probability of phyphor being scum has to be weighed against the risk of lynching a PR. Having my top scumread (silver) suggest I not vote phyphor and my town reads vote for it definitely carries weight when evaluating the probabilities.

PPE 1

[phyphor]

Well, the point of having townreads is that you can place value on their opinions when you have difficult decisions to make. I think it's completely plausible that phyphor recognized it was in trouble and spent its time coming up with a fake claim rather than fake reads. However, to make a decision the probability of phyphor being scum has to be weighed against the risk of lynching a PR. Having my top scumread (silver) suggest I not vote phyphor and my town reads vote for it definitely carries weight when evaluating the probabilities.

So the belief is that (a) I hunted out a fake claim, and (b) got lucky with that claim?

[hypercube]

I'm going to trust the people I'm townreading here and vote: phyphor.

Spicy!

Foolish, but hella spicy!

Clearly I should L-1 Simon Jester in order to save my skin, but I don't particularly feel compelled to dance to someone else's tune.

So, what next?

If you know you're town (a town PR at that), why wouldn't you vote for someone who might be scum to save yourself?

[hypercube]

Well, the point of having townreads is that you can place value on their opinions when you have difficult decisions to make. I think it's completely plausible that phyphor recognized it was in trouble and spent its time coming up with a fake claim rather than fake reads. However, to make a decision the probability of phyphor being scum has to be weighed against the risk of lynching a PR. Having my top scumread (silver) suggest I not vote phyphor and my town reads vote for it definitely carries weight when evaluating the probabilities.

So the belief is that (a) I hunted out a fake claim, and (b) got lucky with that claim?

It's not that lucky if you're scum that knows we're in a C setup.

[phyphor]

So the belief is that (a) I hunted out a fake claim, and (b) got lucky with that claim?

Oh, this is smart!
This implies you believe I'm mafia.
So do you believe I'm the Rolecop and the tracker or neopolitan are choosing to be quiet?
Or do you believe that I'm the Roleblocker or the Goon?

What my uncontested claim of Tracker implies is we have a Cop, Jailkeeper or Doctor  - if there is any town PR that is any other role, or is the Tracker, they would know that I was lying (as would any Tracker).

Which would make it most likely I'd be a Goon, hoping that 2/3 of the time the Jailkeeper or Cop would believe that my claim is valid.

IF YOU ARE THE DOCTOR DO NOT, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE, REVEAL YOURSELF TO SAVE ME!

Doctor >>> Tracker.

[phyphor]

If you know you're town (a town PR at that), why wouldn't you vote for someone who might be scum to save yourself?

Because there's a chance we can still turn this around and take out actual scum, like people doctor fishing.

[phyphor]

It's not that lucky if you're scum that knows we're in a C setup.

So when I flip town you'll, what, claim that those vets you got a good town read on are to blame?

I have made an uncontested claim and you still want to go after me? Because you believe that I'm a plain goon, and tried to get lucky?

The sensible claim for a Mafia is Doctor - every other role is paired with them so it would take two people claiming or to have the doctor reveal themselves. But, sure, I played the odds and gambled on Tracker, because that's sensible!

[WestCoastDidds]

Phy, why are you voting (still) for Faust?

[phyphor]

Phy, why are you voting (still) for Faust?

Because I got a scum read off hem and I was hoping not to lynch someone innocent as directed by the Mafia.

But I'll have to L-1 vote: Simon Jester

[hypercube]

So when I flip town you'll, what, claim that those vets you got a good town read on are to blame?

If you flip town then of course I'll share the blame, I've been pushing your lynch for a while now. Your series of posts since I voted for you again have made me more confident in that read.

I have made an uncontested claim and you still want to go after me? Because you believe that I'm a plain goon, and tried to get lucky?

The sensible claim for a Mafia is Doctor - every other role is paired with them so it would take two people claiming or to have the doctor reveal themselves. But, sure, I played the odds and gambled on Tracker, because that's sensible!

If you are scum, and you estimated your chance of getting lynched as being > 1/3 (I would have estimated it as such), then it's a smart play to make the fake claim just based on the probability of a counterclaim. A Tracker fake claim could go uncontested for the whole game (if we're in C1 or C2), so I don't think it's obvious that Doctor is the only sensible claim.

[phyphor]

If you are scum, and you estimated your chance of getting lynched as being > 1/3 (I would have estimated it as such), then it's a smart play to make the fake claim just based on the probability of a counterclaim. A Tracker fake claim could go uncontested for the whole game (if we're in C1 or C2), so I don't think it's obvious that Doctor is the only sensible claim.

Again, either Doctor goes uncontested or the Mafia have their best first night target.

But apparently claiming Tracker is better?

You're a goshdarned fool! Although you're either scum or being a willing patsy and setting yourself up for a D2 lynching.

[WestCoastDidds]

Vote Count 1.cube

Simon Jester (3): silverspawn, Uncleeurope, UmbrageOfSnow
phyphor (3):, mcmcsalot, faust, hypercube
UmbrageOfSnow (2): WestCoastDidds, Simon Jester
faust (1): phyphor

Okay so, phyphor switched to Simon, so it’s
Simon (4): silver, uncleeddie, UoS, phyphor
Phyphor (3): mcmc, Faust, hyper

And then Simon and I on UoS.

The other two s/s/s folks are on Simon and that feels slimy. But folks seemed to have moved away from “phyphor claimed so we better not” and no one has chimed in to verify or bolster his claim.

If I vote Phy, he’d be at L-1 and Simon would obvi not vote for himself.
But I’m uncertain I want to hammer Simon with the set of folks he has voting for him.

I’ll think a bit more while I brush my teeth, so if anyone is up and has any insight.....let me know. Mcmc, hyper, uncle, UoS...thoughts? I’ll need to go to bed in the next hour.

[Uncleeurope]

Yeah, part of me wondered if phy and Simon were a duo when phy refused to vote Simon, but now that is less likely due to phy’s vote. Regardless, I still wonder if we will have one of those scum voting for scum games...

As for who to kill...?

I obviously am partial to Simon, currently, at least between the two baskets we have going. Too risky to kill phy now when all we have to do is wait a day and see what happens. He last thing we want to do is give the scum a free kill on a power role. (And someone that the scum know is a power role now too, they do t have to worry about this doubt)

Kill Simon, I would say.

That’s all I got, probably not the best person to respond, I am just as unhappy/confused  with this situation as you are.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

The other two s/s/s folks are on Simon and that feels slimy.

Why? Like I don't really care what your answer is, but ask yourself why you feel that way? And if you want to answer in thread that'd be great but just think about your own thought process.

Also, were you expecting someone to verify phyphor's claim?

Generally I'd rather lynch anyone that uncounterclaimed Tracker on Day 1, if it's alive at LYLO (the end of the game) everyone will want to claim anyway, and while that still won't eliminate all possibilities of a fake claim, it will be when we have a lot more information. If a Cop and Doctor both claim, for example, that would mean someone is lying, but neither would want to claim right now. I know you were sick of all the theory talk but you should probably take a look at some of it again, since that's what faust (and presumably mcmcsalot?)'s votes rest on.

And I think Silverspawn and I disagree with those votes from a theoretical perspective. i.e. regardless of alignment, personally I'm very surprised to see mcmcsalot still voting there.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

I still wonder if we will have one of those scum voting for scum games...

I'm out of touch with site meta, but this at least used to be pretty common (honestly too common IMO). Definitely don't rule it out.