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Re: Newbie Mafia 12: Your Favorite Animal Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #50 on: August 15, 2018, 04:35:09 pm »

Thank you for the explanation. Can I clarify some words? What do 'null-tell' and 'RVS' mean?

"null-tell" means basically that a statement is neither townie nor scummy. RVS is Random Vote Stage and that's where we are right now and Umbrage mentioned it above. We throw careless accusations that generates discussion and via the discussion we et more substantial reads and then the game has begun for real.

For further reference this link might be useful: http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16266.0
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Re: Newbie Mafia 12: Your Favorite Animal Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #51 on: August 15, 2018, 06:05:42 pm »

Vote: alinatolm

Either he is killing a talker, or he is killing someone he thinks is intelligent enough to be a threat, you decide. Ima just vote for the guy to see what happens.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 12: Your Favorite Animal Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #52 on: August 16, 2018, 04:03:08 am »

Hi!

My internet was broken yesterday, but hopefully it will be better from now on.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 12: Your Favorite Animal Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #53 on: August 16, 2018, 04:23:12 am »

Hi everyone!

I'm town. What about you?

I'm also town.

vote: silver for starting a wagon in a somewhat opaque manner.
This is the scummiest thing to happen so far. As in, why in the world is that even scummy? It seems just like not wanting to place a vote without a reason.

Vote: hypercube
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Re: Newbie Mafia 12: Your Favorite Animal Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #54 on: August 16, 2018, 04:24:32 am »

Umbrages ambition to be the tutor for the newbies is most likely a null-tell, but it would be so fun it was a deliberate way to gain easy town-cred that I'm happy to have my vote staying where it is. Slightly less RVS now, with other words.
I have trouble parsing what you are saying here.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 12: Your Favorite Animal Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #55 on: August 16, 2018, 04:30:40 am »

Vote Count 1.2

UmbrageOfSnow (2): Simon Jester, alinatolm
Simon Jester (1): hypercube
faust (1): silverspawn
alinatolm (1): Uncleeurope
hypercube (1): faust
Not Voting (3): UmbrageOfSnow, muenstercheese, WestCoastDidds

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. Day 1 ends Wednesday, August 22 at 5am forum time.

Please note, that this vote:

Vote:Faust for not doing that yet.

Doesn't count, because it is poorly written.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 12: Your Favorite Animal Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #56 on: August 16, 2018, 04:37:40 am »

OK thank you! In real life I'm used to the fact that Mafia is often too active. So
vote: UmbrageOfSnow
This post is interesting in several ways.

- it is the third vote on UoS from what I can tell, making it the first major wagon.
- the reasoning is the kind of flawed one that you often see from casual players. Mafia is not more active then town. Different players have different levels of activity. Some people are more as scum then they are as town, and for others it is the other way around. I can testify to the fact that UoS's activity level so far is about what I would expect from him as either alignment.

So if alina is scum, they are trying a very in-your-face approach to get UoS lynched. So not a subtle scum player. Which makes me confident that it won't take us long to figure out their alignment.

By the way, what pronouns does everyone use? You can use he or they for me.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 12: Your Favorite Animal Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #57 on: August 16, 2018, 06:20:50 am »

goot points. vote: muenstercheese for lurking
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Re: Newbie Mafia 12: Your Favorite Animal Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #58 on: August 16, 2018, 06:23:16 am »

Umbrages ambition to be the tutor for the newbies is most likely a null-tell, but it would be so fun it was a deliberate way to gain easy town-cred that I'm happy to have my vote staying where it is. Slightly less RVS now, with other words.
I have trouble parsing what you are saying here.

I think there is a chance that scum!Umbrage could make an effort to be active in the early stage of the game with teaching advice and such to get a townie feel on himself, that well, since I don't have anything else at the moment I'm happy to have my vote there as of now.

quote author=faust link=topic=18893.msg764947#msg764947 date=1534408660]

- it is the third vote on UoS from what I can tell, making it the first major wagon.
- the reasoning is the kind of flawed one that you often see from casual players. Mafia is not more active then town. Different players have different levels of activity. Some people are more as scum then they are as town, and for others it is the other way around. I can testify to the fact that UoS's activity level so far is about what I would expect from him as either alignment.

So if alina is scum, they are trying a very in-your-face approach to get UoS lynched. So not a subtle scum player. Which makes me confident that it won't take us long to figure out their alignment.
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It's not. Silvers vote was never counted and it was quite obvious it wouldn't be (silver voted somewhere else soon there after too) which makes the rest of your reasoning quite.. meh. Giving someone a second vote is not bold at all and to use their familiar IRL- meta as reasoning for voting as a new forum player is not strange either when casting the first vote.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 12: Your Favorite Animal Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #59 on: August 16, 2018, 06:24:00 am »

Quote fail, aagh.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 12: Your Favorite Animal Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #60 on: August 16, 2018, 06:25:22 am »

I think there is a chance that scum!Umbrage could make an effort to be active in the early stage of the game with teaching advice and such to get a townie feel on himself, that well, since I don't have anything else at the moment I'm happy to have my vote there as of now.

Umbrage is totally the person to do this as town, so I don't think that's any tell.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 12: Your Favorite Animal Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #61 on: August 16, 2018, 06:25:51 am »

But you're right of course that the second vote wasn't anything notable.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 12: Your Favorite Animal Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #62 on: August 16, 2018, 06:39:17 am »

I think there is a chance that scum!Umbrage could make an effort to be active in the early stage of the game with teaching advice and such to get a townie feel on himself, that well, since I don't have anything else at the moment I'm happy to have my vote there as of now.

Umbrage is totally the person to do this as town, so I don't think that's any tell.

Ah, well, alrite, I guess not.

Let's hunt lurkers: vote: Westcoastdidds
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Re: Newbie Mafia 12: Your Favorite Animal Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #63 on: August 16, 2018, 06:52:31 am »

I prodded WestCoastDidds and muenstercheese
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Re: Newbie Mafia 12: Your Favorite Animal Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #64 on: August 16, 2018, 07:50:29 am »

Thanks for the prod! I know what my favorite animal is, but not that the game had started.

Alas, voting for lurkers is no bueno. Especially when they are the newbs. Look at my delightful headgehog outfit. Itís totally town wear.

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Re: Newbie Mafia 12: Your Favorite Animal Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #65 on: August 16, 2018, 08:06:43 am »

Thanks for the prod! I know what my favorite animal is, but not that the game had started.

Alas, voting for lurkers is no bueno. Especially when they are the newbs. Look at my delightful headgehog outfit. Itís totally town wear.

Voting lurkers is always bueno, newb or not. There can be better cases but chances to catch scum among low posters is always rather high so Lynch All Lurkers Literally is a saying here that is good to listen to.

Scummy vibe from you. Hm.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 12: Your Favorite Animal Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #66 on: August 16, 2018, 08:13:07 am »

Scummy vibe is just a lack of coffee.

But in the spirit of Lynch All Lurkers
Vote:muenstercheese for being all excited and now suspiciously absent

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Re: Newbie Mafia 12: Your Favorite Animal Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #67 on: August 16, 2018, 08:16:23 am »

you need a whitespace after the colon, otherwise LaLight won't count it.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 12: Your Favorite Animal Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #68 on: August 16, 2018, 08:21:27 am »

This is the scummiest thing to happen so far. As in, why in the world is that even scummy? It seems just like not wanting to place a vote without a reason.

Vote: hypercube

I was mostly annoyed that it took me several minutes to figure out who they were (pretending to) vote for.

muenstercheese is basically notorious for running away from things so it's not terribly surprising he's not here.

He or they pronouns for me.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 12: Your Favorite Animal Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #69 on: August 16, 2018, 08:23:08 am »

Interesting... why is that?

Vote: Muenstercheese

Iím she/they

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Re: Newbie Mafia 12: Your Favorite Animal Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #70 on: August 16, 2018, 10:41:07 am »


Please note , that this vote: [/color]
Vote:Faust for not doing that yet.

Doesn't count , because it is poorly written.

This vote count doesn't count because it is poorly written.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 12: Your Favorite Animal Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #71 on: August 16, 2018, 10:45:03 am »

Interesting... why is that?

Vote: Muenstercheese

Iím she/they

So that you new players can have fun experiencing a fake hammer I guess. Where someone deliberately looks like they are hammering someone but didn't really.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 12: Your Favorite Animal Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #72 on: August 16, 2018, 10:46:39 am »

Scummy vibe is just a lack of coffee.

But in the spirit of Lynch All Lurkers
Vote:muenstercheese for being all excited and now suspiciously absent

Lurker lynching is all well and good but what do you think of the game so far? Does any player seem more likely to be town or scum to you?
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Re: Newbie Mafia 12: Your Favorite Animal Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #73 on: August 16, 2018, 11:06:59 am »

Sorry for the post spam here, I'll try to keep it down.

Anyway, I do actually get a slight townread off that vote on me. No, I don't think it put me in danger of being lynched or anything, but I feel like new scum would have been more nervous about that whole interaction.

I'm a bit weirded out by UE and faust both coming to my defense in their own ways.

I go by he or they but I'm tempted (because I'm feeling trollish since it's right after coffee #2) to insist everyone should call me they purely to bother anyone who has this thing about singular they being wrong, it predates Shakespeare and pushing for "he" as a generic/genderless first person pronoun didn't start until the mid 1700s and was never agreed upon by everyone. Grrrrrrr
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Re: Newbie Mafia 12: Your Favorite Animal Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #74 on: August 16, 2018, 11:17:06 am »

muenstercheese is basically notorious for running away from things so it's not terribly surprising he's not here.

How do you to know each other? Do you think you are likely to be better at reading each other than average?

I'm friends with Uncleeurope and we played one game somewhat like forum mafia before, but a lot less serious with some element of roleplaying and outside-the-thread communication. I ended up mis-scumreading him because of a Skype call we had where basically he was trying to get me to scumread him to generate a read on me.

We also play Dominion, another board game called Summoner Wars, and the roleplaying game Trail of Cthulhu (and recently a game of Fiasco) together. I feel like I can point out when something is about what's expected from him, but he's also probably able to fool me as scum, and therefore I'm prone to oversuspecting him. But I'm aware of that, so who knows where my actual bias is. Anyway, don't blindly sheep my reads on him.

(Sheep means to follow or agree with someone with basically no other thought or comment of your own.)
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