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silvern

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Empy the Black Market in as few turns as possible
« on: August 12, 2018, 07:22:19 pm »
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I haven't seen one of these "post logs of different trials" challenges in a while, and someone mentioned this in another thread, so...have at it!

(For proof....I mean, a woodcutter log or video or cut-n-paste would be good, or you could just tell us what it ended up being for you.)
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Re: Empy the Black Market in as few turns as possible
« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2018, 09:10:25 pm »
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I wanted to do this for a while and finally I had time. I visualized mith's awesome solution. Go upvote his post.



Wait, I don't think this works? You keep The Forest's Gift until cleanup, meaning that you won't be able to receive it from Pixie again this turn...

*Edit* I think jonaskoelker's post explains it. From this video, it sounded like you were relying on The Forest's Gift to get the buys and money you needed; but I see that you don't actually need many buys or money to gain everything.

Replace Pooka to Black Market, whose Deck has Pooka.
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Re: Empy the Black Market in as few turns as possible
« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2018, 10:27:01 pm »
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Hmmm....does this work? You need to play black market....60 times I think, since you can only buy one card per BM play. So, money is not the issue here (unless I'm misunderstanding your proposal)
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Re: Empy the Black Market in as few turns as possible
« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2018, 11:23:52 pm »
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Hmmm....does this work? You need to play black market....60 times I think, since you can only buy one card per BM play. So, money is not the issue here (unless I'm misunderstanding your proposal)

Oh, I thought 15 cards. Then, how about Overlord-Crown method?

Fewer cards I have found to loop infinitely.
6 cards, no Event

Kingdom: Overlord, Lurker, Raze, Watchtower, Crown, Mandarin

Setup: trash Mandarin
Deck: 5 Overlord, 2 Watchtower

You have 2 Overlord and Watchtower in your hand.

play Overlord as Crown
-- play Overload as Crown
---- play Watchtower
---- play Watchtower
-- play Overload as Crown
---- play Overload as Crown
------ play Overload as Crown
-------- play Overlord as Raze (trash itself)
-------- play Overlord as Lurker (gain Mandarin, reveal Watchtower to trash)
------ play Overload as Lurker (gain Overlord)
---- play Overload as Watchtower

Now you have 5 Overlord and Watchtower in your hand.

LOOP FROM HERE

play Overlord as Crown
-- play Overload as Crown
---- play Overload as Crown
------ play Overload as Crown
-------- play Overlord as Raze (trash itself)
-------- play Overlord as Lurker (gain Mandarin, reveal Watchtower to trash)
------ play Overload as Lurker (gain Overlord)
---- play Overload as an Action costing up to $5
-- play Overload as Watchtower

LOOP END

Use Band of Misfits and Ferry instead of Overlord to make this more practical.

Replace Pooka to Black Market, whose Deck has Pooka, Watchtower, Young Witch(, whose Bane is Lurker), Mandarin. Add Crown. After you've got enormous Treasures, 2 Black Market, Library in hand, play those Black Markets to gain Watchtower, Mandarin (reveal Watchtower to trash). Use Pixie instead of Raze.
« Last Edit: August 13, 2018, 03:42:29 am by majiponi »
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Re: Empy the Black Market in as few turns as possible
« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2018, 08:31:52 am »
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I suppose this is supposed to be using the online implementation? Because the official rules allow for the Black Market to contain only 1 card (or maybe even 0 cards?).
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Re: Empy the Black Market in as few turns as possible
« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2018, 08:54:31 am »
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I suppose this is supposed to be using the online implementation? Because the official rules allow for the Black Market to contain only 1 card (or maybe even 0 cards?).
If it is the online implementation, then majiponi's solution doesn't work, as Pooka and Young Witch cannot appear in the Black Market deck.
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Re: Empy the Black Market in as few turns as possible
« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2018, 07:15:08 pm »
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I suppose this is supposed to be using the online implementation? Because the official rules allow for the Black Market to contain only 1 card (or maybe even 0 cards?).
If it is the online implementation, then majiponi's solution doesn't work, as Pooka and Young Witch cannot appear in the Black Market deck.

No control in BM deck? Just repeat restarting and wait for the ideal game. Only 40 games or 50 games you should start.
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