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[Xxraptorslayer96]

I think that you are miss remembering me there. I was VLA for through N1.

Raptor: I saw your name that Tuesday afternoon. 'Who's Online' doesn't lie.

FOS to everyone not actively moving us to a lynch. There’s a lot of people who still have their votes in useless places 2.5 hours to deadline, and some of these people have come in and posted and not moved their votes.

This. Also going to extend it to Raptor for showing up and not moving his vote.

Note the timestamp. This is only a few hours before the lynch takes place. Why would I lie about something and give the other 10 people online at the time the chance to doublecheck my work and find out about my deception? So if you're going to continue to maintain that you did not open a browser and look at the forums during this period, I have no choice but to either report a bug to the forum moderator or vote you now. So for that, for the fact that your game is a far cry from NM11, and for cherrypicking the easiest case possible against me (something I saw you do as scum 1 year ago - do you know better now, I don't know):

Vote: Raptor

After that TA and Swan are my next candidates.

Realized I will not be around for D1 end. VLA tomorrow afternoon- till Tuesday afternoon sometime. I will have zero service during this time.

Here’s where I said that I was out till Tuesday afternoon  ... but unfortunately the day closed on Monday sometime.    I was in the California back country fighting bears at the time your lynched galz.

[Xxraptorslayer96]

@skumpy It’s hardly cherry picking. If you came off as less scummy it wouldn’t be so easy to make a case on you.

[silverspawn]

LAL

vote: raptor

if you weren't there, then why were you online?

[Xxraptorslayer96]

LAL

vote: raptor

if you weren't there, then why were you online?

Your statement confuses me, when do you believe that I was online?

[silverspawn]

nvm I think I misunderstood.

back to vote: Simon

@skumpy: EFHW and Simon is super a thing.

[SpaceAnemone]

I think that you are miss remembering me there. I was VLA for through N1.

Raptor: I saw your name that Tuesday afternoon. 'Who's Online' doesn't lie.

It lies in two ways:

1. People can opt never to be listed. I believe plenty of current Mafia players turn off the listing specifically so they can't be tracked like that.

2. I've read somewhere that leaving an f.ds tab open in a browser (even a phone browser) has been shown to make a pearson appear as present even if they're not actively reloading the page or interacting with it. I was more sceptical of that, but TBH, it makes the game more fun to believe it, and less about who can dedicate the longest time to stalking "Who's Online".

[EFHW]

Ugh are we really using "fake news" here in mafia games? OK, time to log off, that's absurd and I am so unhappy that that's bleeding into f.ds. Time to go cooldown

Why didn't you come back for deadline?

[EFHW]

Skumpy said he saw raptor online on Tues afternoon, but eod was on Monday.

[silverspawn]

Skumpy said he saw raptor online on Tues afternoon, but eod was on Monday.

Yeah, that's what I noticed too, hence the unvote.

[EFHW]

Skumpy said he saw raptor online on Tues afternoon, but eod was on Monday.

Yeah, that's what I noticed too, hence the unvote.

It's still a weird thing to say. On Tues he would have known the day had ended.

[SpaceAnemone]

Skumpy said he saw raptor online on Tues afternoon, but eod was on Monday.

Yeah, that's what I noticed too, hence the unvote.

It's still a weird thing to say. On Tues he would have known the day had ended.

Skumpy may just be mis-remembering what day of the week the deadline was on, now that he's referring back to it. I'm assuming he meant to say that he was stalking Who's Online on the Monday, unless he comes along to say differently. Either way, I don't think it's as informative as he thinks it is.

At one stage, LL had a "Tuesday" in the deadline text of a VC, I think, because for a while during D1 I had the idea in my head that it was going to be the Tuesday and not the Monday, too.

[Skumpy]

Skumpy said he saw raptor online on Tues afternoon, but eod was on Monday.

Yeah, that's what I noticed too, hence the unvote.

It's still a weird thing to say. On Tues he would have known the day had ended.

Skumpy may just be mis-remembering what day of the week the deadline was on, now that he's referring back to it. I'm assuming he meant to say that he was stalking Who's Online on the Monday, unless he comes along to say differently. Either way, I don't think it's as informative as he thinks it is.

This. The quote I gave is from that Monday.

I think that you are miss remembering me there. I was VLA for through N1.

Raptor: I saw your name that Tuesday afternoon. 'Who's Online' doesn't lie.

It lies in two ways:

1. People can opt never to be listed. I believe plenty of current Mafia players turn off the listing specifically so they can't be tracked like that.

2. I've read somewhere that leaving an f.ds tab open in a browser (even a phone browser) has been shown to make a pearson appear as present even if they're not actively reloading the page or interacting with it. I was more sceptical of that, but TBH, it makes the game more fun to believe it, and less about who can dedicate the longest time to stalking "Who's Online".

1. There are indeed false negatives. So far, I haven't seen a false positive.

2. Surely something would still have to happen to cause it to trigger? And while I agree that it's not the fun thing to do, given that I did notice it, I can't put it out of my mind and discard it completely.

I was in the California back country fighting bears at the time your lynched galz.

That does sound pretty exhilarating, hope it was fun. Also, I see what you're doing there. Clever.

[Simon Jester]

nvm I think I misunderstood.

back to vote: Simon

@skumpy: EFHW and Simon is super a thing.

Just that it isn't.

Scum had no reason to interact at the deadline yesterday. If TA isn't happening I can try raptor, by all means.

vote: raptor

[gkrieg13]

Sorry, busy day yesterday.  Did anyone claim to be the other mason?  I'm much less likely to believe a claim tomorrow, and if we get another mislynch today, tomorrow will be MYLO, so scum will definitely 1v1 for the win.

[Robz888]

Lynching off of some "Who's Online" confusion has never ever ever ever ever been good. In fact, I'm pretty sure I've most often argued for lynching like this when I am myself scum, so big FOS at Skumpy.

Sorry, I've not been engaging with this game nearly enough. I feel like TA and gkrieg are just as un-engaged, though? Gkrieg I guess has an excuse, where is TA?

I skimmed Space's math posts, per usual--no offense, Space. I guess Space's case on EFHW is more persuasive than anything else I've seen, so Vote: EFHW.

[SpaceAnemone]

Lynching off of some "Who's Online" confusion has never ever ever ever ever been good. In fact, I'm pretty sure I've most often argued for lynching like this when I am myself scum, so big FOS at Skumpy.

Well, yes. Though you also have to remember that his big defense of the whole "scumslip" discussion was that he'd been stalking "Who's Online" before the game even started, and that's how he knew that Simon had learned the ropes well.. so if he can make it look like stalking "Who's Online" is a big part of his play strategy, then that looks more natural retrospectively.

I've not been engaging with this game nearly enough. I feel like TA and gkrieg are just as un-engaged, though?

Yes. I've mentally awarded scumpoints to you and gkrieg accordingly. Less so to TA, because he's an unknown to me. I feel like he's really not giving me much to go on...

I skimmed Space's math posts, per usual--no offense, Space.

No offense taken!

I guess Space's case on EFHW is more persuasive than anything else I've seen, so Vote: EFHW.

This points to the fact that we need some more persuasive cases, really. I wasn't even trying to make a case so much as deflect what I thought was undeserved suspicion coming my way from EFWH because I was one of the people active at the EoD and not moving to lynch Galz.

[Robz888]

TA is an unknown to you? Didn't realize that. He was a high skill veteran player for a long stretch of games.

If I'm accruing scum points and all other cases are bad, why am I not getting your vote?

[silverspawn]

You should read the conclusion of space' math posts, though. It's not like in past games where there was lots of debate, what they said is on point.

[EFHW]

TA is an unknown to you? Didn't realize that. He was a high skill veteran player for a long stretch of games.

If I'm accruing scum points and all other cases are bad, why am I not getting your vote?

I was wondering the same thing about you voting me just after awarding a bunch of scum points to Skumpy.

[EFHW]

I'm annoyed by the who's online thing. Raptor and DatSwan both say raptor didn't have access. So is Skumpy making this up?

[SpaceAnemone]

TA is an unknown to you? Didn't realize that. He was a high skill veteran player for a long stretch of games.

From his posting backlog, it looks like the previous game he was in was M101, which was a really small one that I wasn't playing in. Before that, it was M70. I joined for M84, though my first game was M85, because that actually started earlier :-) I think M85 was LL's first one, too!

If I'm accruing scum points and all other cases are bad, why am I not getting your vote?

I didn't say you were the only one accruing points. I'm mulling some stuff over and seeing what cases stick in my head right now. Well, in general. Right now it's bed time.

[Twistedarcher]

Hey, was going to come home and catch up this evening, but it turns out my internet is out, so I’m stuck to mobile for the time being. I’m in a similar place to robz, in that I haven’t gotten into the flow of things. Galz flipping town definitely didn’t help that feeling.

Re-reading this evening then hoping internet is fixed tomorrow so I can quote and post things, but probably will have to wait until tomorrow to contribute.

[Skumpy]

Lynching off of some "Who's Online" confusion has never ever ever ever ever been good. In fact, I'm pretty sure I've most often argued for lynching like this when I am myself scum, so big FOS at Skumpy.

Well, yes. Though you also have to remember that his big defense of the whole "scumslip" discussion was that he'd been stalking "Who's Online" before the game even started, and that's how he knew that Simon had learned the ropes well.. so if he can make it look like stalking "Who's Online" is a big part of his play strategy, then that looks more natural retrospectively.

It's not a part of my strategy; it's something I notice. There've been plenty of times I see people online and reading without posting; I don't care and I'm not going to call out by name (with the one exception) because it's not super informative and it's something I'm often guilty of.

I'm annoyed by the who's online thing. Raptor and DatSwan both say raptor didn't have access. So is Skumpy making this up?

As I said before: it'd be stupid of me to make something up when it's something that's very easily checkable by everyone else.

[EFHW]

How would it be checkable?

[Swowl]

so @DatSwan, I was actually being literate when I said I don't undestand how your post comes to the conclusion that I'm scummy. I don't understand what you are accusing me of having done. I'm particularly interested in hearing what you think I did wasn't pro town.

Being “wrong about the vote count” the “aw shucks comment” the switching with II.... pretty much the stuff i already posted