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SepRanks for Top Player Rating
« on: August 01, 2018, 10:07:57 pm »
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Introduction

Why should anybody create these lists? Well, the obvious answer is that it's a fun activity, akin to ranking College teams. However, there are also two practical reasons to conduct these lists.

Firstly, the Leaderboard is not entirely accurate. Great players might not play all that often, and their positions might very well be completely wrong. The Leaderboard is biased towards people who play ranked, not all Dominion. For example, Dominion League is almost never played ranked, but nobody will see higher quality Dominion being played than in the A and B tiers. In addition, players game the system all of the time to artificially raise their numbers, further watering down the results. I am not saying the Leaderboard is a useless metric, but some discernment must be used when consulting it.

Secondly, increasing our understanding of who the best players are will help new players and old alike. For the new players, it will give them role models to emulate. For the old players, perhaps they will see some players they never considered before, from simply underrated players to the vibrant and active Japanese community we barely communicate with. This will evolve the metagame in the long run, further increasing our understanding for the game.

Yes, the lists will not be accurate at first. That is okay. Course correction will happen.

Polling

Polling will commence about every 6 months, and be open for two weeks. Users will visit the link below, enter their username, and present their list of the top 20 Dominion Players.

This link will lead to the current poll. Before taking the poll, there are some important things to note.

1. I would advise all users consult both the ShuffleIT Leaderboard and the Dominion League standings before finishing their rankings. It's not required, but it may help in accuracy.
2. Keep in mind that fame does not always mean the player is better.
3. As a corollary to the last note, remember that there are other players who do not visit the forums. There are for example, plenty of strong Japanese players out there, among other players. This area is where the Leaderboard is most helpful.

Polling Results

These results are sorted by the most recent.

August 2018

Disclaimers

If you aggressively do not care about the polls, then you do not have to participate. Your displeasure does not mean this poll shouldn't exist.
Who voted for whom will not be made public, and this will solve any potential issues. Please be careful when discussing votes. My asking for usernames on the poll is only to ensure that voting is unique and fair.
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Re: SepRanks for Top Player Rating
« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2018, 11:42:13 pm »
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So, I'm guessing the rankings won't weighted...

...At least the first time around. Future lists could be weighted based on who was on the previous list.
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Re: SepRanks for Top Player Rating
« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2018, 04:36:31 am »
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Firstly, the Leaderboard is not entirely accurate. Great players might not play all that often, and their positions might very well be completely wrong. The Leaderboard is biased towards people who play ranked, not all Dominion. For example, Dominion League is almost never played ranked, but nobody will see higher quality Dominion being played than in the A and B tiers. In addition, players game the system all of the time to artificially raise their numbers, further watering down the results. I am not saying the Leaderboard is a useless metric, but some discernment must be used when consulting it.

Pretty sure the leaderboard is still more accurate than a public-opinion-based rating, and the Dominion League is a big culprit for that. A lot of top players (especially many of the Japanese ones) don't participate in the League or other big tournaments, and this skews the public opinion in the favor of those who do.
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« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2018, 06:37:05 am »
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So, I'm guessing the rankings won't weighted...

...At least the first time around. Future lists could be weighted based on who was on the previous list.

I actually currently don't know how future polls are going to be conducted yet.
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Re: SepRanks for Top Player Rating
« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2018, 08:14:52 am »
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Yes, the lists will not be accurate at first. That is okay. Course correction will happen.

What makes you believe this?  Is there a method for testing the results against reality?
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Re: SepRanks for Top Player Rating
« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2018, 09:55:25 am »
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If you want more diverse and accurate metrics for this you should cross-post it in other places like Reddit, Discord, possibly even BGG? There's going to be a LOT of onus put on the reader's ability to discern the value of what essentially amounts to a popularity contest, but at least that way you could avoid an echo chamber effect.
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Re: SepRanks for Top Player Rating
« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2018, 09:57:10 am »
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If you want more diverse and accurate metrics for this you should cross-post it in other places like Reddit, Discord, possibly even BGG? There's going to be a LOT of onus put on the reader's ability to discern the value of what essentially amounts to a popularity contest, but at least that way you could avoid an echo chamber effect.

I could do this. Probably I will.
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Re: SepRanks for Top Player Rating
« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2018, 04:43:39 pm »
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Would we get more information about the players such as achievements and bio?
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Re: SepRanks for Top Player Rating
« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2018, 04:49:18 pm »
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Would we get more information about the players such as achievements and bio?

Uh if someone wanted it I probably could
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Re: SepRanks for Top Player Rating
« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2018, 07:08:14 pm »
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Results are here! Next polling will occur in a couple of months, and I'll make it easier to do than last time.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LY16PTL9FkG1z1pnCmdMKQL3qYJZPCUCfl4ZhJlRRww/edit?usp=sharing

1. Mic Qsenoch
2. Stef
3. Dan Brooks
4. RTT
5. Markus
6. Mercury444F
7. tracer
8. Sangatsu
9. Sicomatic
10. Ceviri
11. Dingan
12. Gloures
13. Limetime
14. aku_chi
15. Bryan
16. E Honda
17. SamE
18. jsh357
19. Hakase
20. jonts
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Re: SepRanks for Top Player Rating
« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2018, 01:28:04 pm »
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Will do another poll at the conclusion of the ShuffleIT Tournament.
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