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terminalCopper

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Re: is royal seal underrated?
« Reply #25 on: November 23, 2018, 02:43:17 am »
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Well, Delve is an Event; it doesn't have the same dynamic as a $4 Silver+ kingdom card (where buying it up hastens the end of the game in a way that buying Silver doesn't).

If you have buy Delve twice and any $2 cantrip, that's pretty close to being a $4 Silver+.

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Re: is royal seal underrated?
« Reply #26 on: November 23, 2018, 04:23:13 am »
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Well, Delve is an Event; it doesn't have the same dynamic as a $4 Silver+ kingdom card (where buying it up hastens the end of the game in a way that buying Silver doesn't).

If you have buy Patron Delve twice and any $2 cantrip, that's pretty close to being a $4 Silver+.

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Re: is royal seal underrated?
« Reply #27 on: November 23, 2018, 06:25:21 am »
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People on these forums tend to play 2P games. 2P games make engines much more valid. Engines make deck drawing much more likely. Deck drawing makes treasures as well as topdecking in your buy phase worse.
Conclusion: People on these forums tend to play a Dominion variant that keeps Royal Seal from being useful. Make of that what you wish.
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Re: is royal seal underrated?
« Reply #28 on: November 26, 2018, 09:37:46 am »
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It’d be fine at $4.
It would, except, as Donald X once said, "look, I can't make a Treasure that gives $2, has some other effect that is always beneficial, and costs $4; that's just better than Silver, and people by Silver for $4 all the time".

And then he made Delve.
The main problem with Silver-with-a-bonus for $4 (for games where people want Silver and aren't gaining it with a Silver-gainer) is that the pile just automatically empties. It's also not great that then you have that bonus in your deck, but didn't care about it at all, weren't making a decision there.

Delve has neither issue; it hits the Silver pile rather than a new 10-card pile, and those Silvers have no other abilities.

What if it cost $4 - but also gained a copper on gain.    That would make it cost less than $5, and wouldn’t be an automatic purchase.  The pile may not auto empty.  There are other mechanics that could be used to disincentivize if gain a copper is meh.  $4 plus a debt, $4 but draw one less card at cleanup, $4 plus gain an estate, $4 but also worth -1vp.   
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Re: is royal seal underrated?
« Reply #29 on: November 26, 2018, 10:48:30 am »
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What if it cost $4 - but also gained a copper on gain.    That would make it cost less than $5, and wouldn’t be an automatic purchase.  The pile may not auto empty.  There are other mechanics that could be used to disincentivize if gain a copper is meh.  $4 plus a debt, $4 but draw one less card at cleanup, $4 plus gain an estate, $4 but also worth -1vp.
Any of these suggestions probably makes the card even more unattractive than leaving it overpriced at $5. Also, as already pointed out, there is nothing "automatic" about Silver+ at $4 unless one wants to argue that Delve and Patron are "automatic".

Let's also keep in mind topdecking gained stuff is nice but hardly as important as e.g. the Attacks of Idol or Relic, the trashing of Counterfeit or the Buy of Spices and Charm.
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Re: is royal seal underrated?
« Reply #30 on: November 26, 2018, 11:08:50 am »
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Any of these suggestions probably makes the card even more unattractive than leaving it overpriced at $5. Also, as already pointed out, there is nothing "automatic" about Silver+ at $4 unless one wants to argue that Delve and Patron are "automatic".

Let's also keep in mind topdecking gained stuff is nice but hardly as important as e.g. the Attacks of Idol or Relic, the trashing of Counterfeit or the Buy of Spices and Charm.

$4 plus 1 debt has to be better than $5 ... ;)
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