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Re: RMM48: Cancer Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #150 on: May 27, 2018, 10:37:45 am »

@Awaclus, your suggestion appeared to be that we should massclaim with a 50% chance. Do you believe that your plan has at least a 50% chance of being beneficial to town?

@mcmc, is gkrieg scummy?

@Robz, how boozy was the brunch that you haven't resurfaced yet?

@Jimmmmm, do you still exist?

@Eevee, yay, you still exist, and not much has happened while you were out. Any feelings from you on who's being weird or scummy?
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Re: RMM48: Cancer Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #151 on: May 27, 2018, 10:45:40 am »

@Awaclus, your suggestion appeared to be that we should massclaim with a 50% chance. Do you believe that your plan has at least a 50% chance of being beneficial to town?

Compared to what?

Compared to not massclaiming: I don't know, I don't know the setup.
Compared to massclaiming: I don't know, I don't know the setup.
Compared to letting scum influence our decision based on the information that they have: Yes.
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Re: RMM48: Cancer Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #152 on: May 27, 2018, 11:38:02 am »

I don't have any substantial reads yet, unfortunately. I didn't even remember Jimmm was in the game (hi!).

I don't think we are going to get enough people to agree to a massclaim. It would be an interesting, different day 1, but I never quite feel like doing it "in this particular game" when I'm actually playing. I don't know why.

The more I think about this, the more I feel like it might be really fun. I'm in for Awaclus's plan.
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Re: RMM48: Cancer Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #153 on: May 27, 2018, 11:39:35 am »

@Jimmmmm, do you still exist?

I like to think so.
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Re: RMM48: Cancer Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #154 on: May 27, 2018, 12:41:35 pm »

@Awaclus, your suggestion appeared to be that we should massclaim with a 50% chance. Do you believe that your plan has at least a 50% chance of being beneficial to town?

@mcmc, is gkrieg scummy?

@Robz, how boozy was the brunch that you haven't resurfaced yet?

@Jimmmmm, do you still exist?

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I think this is townie from Space.
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Re: RMM48: Cancer Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #155 on: May 27, 2018, 01:06:31 pm »

@Awaclus, your suggestion appeared to be that we should massclaim with a 50% chance. Do you believe that your plan has at least a 50% chance of being beneficial to town?

Compared to what?

Compared to not massclaiming: I don't know, I don't know the setup.
Compared to massclaiming: I don't know, I don't know the setup.
Compared to letting scum influence our decision based on the information that they have: Yes.

How do I know that your 50/50 plan isn't scum influencing our decision based on information you have?

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Re: RMM48: Cancer Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #156 on: May 27, 2018, 01:15:56 pm »

The more I think about this, the more I feel like it might be really fun. I'm in for Awaclus's plan.

Obviously, I'm not.

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Re: RMM48: Cancer Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #157 on: May 27, 2018, 02:08:25 pm »

How do I know that your 50/50 plan isn't scum influencing our decision based on information you have?

What information do you think I have that makes it most beneficial for me to have a 50/50 random chance?
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Re: RMM48: Cancer Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #158 on: May 27, 2018, 02:11:13 pm »

How do I know that your 50/50 plan isn't scum influencing our decision based on information you have?

What information do you think I have that makes it most beneficial for me to have a 50/50 random chance?

The understanding that a 50% chance of something happening that you want to happen is better than 0%.

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Re: RMM48: Cancer Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #159 on: May 27, 2018, 02:13:59 pm »

How do I know that your 50/50 plan isn't scum influencing our decision based on information you have?

What information do you think I have that makes it most beneficial for me to have a 50/50 random chance?

The understanding that a 50% chance of something happening that you want to happen is better than 0%.

And worse than 100%.
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Re: RMM48: Cancer Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #160 on: May 27, 2018, 03:23:09 pm »

How do I know that your 50/50 plan isn't scum influencing our decision based on information you have?

What information do you think I have that makes it most beneficial for me to have a 50/50 random chance?

The understanding that a 50% chance of something happening that you want to happen is better than 0%.

And worse than 100%.

If you thought you could force something 100%, you wouldn't propose a 50/50.

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Re: RMM48: Cancer Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #161 on: May 27, 2018, 03:54:00 pm »

How do I know that your 50/50 plan isn't scum influencing our decision based on information you have?

What information do you think I have that makes it most beneficial for me to have a 50/50 random chance?

The understanding that a 50% chance of something happening that you want to happen is better than 0%.

And worse than 100%.

If you thought you could force something 100%, you wouldn't propose a 50/50.

And what do you think I would force?
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Re: RMM48: Cancer Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #162 on: May 27, 2018, 03:55:28 pm »

How do I know that your 50/50 plan isn't scum influencing our decision based on information you have?

What information do you think I have that makes it most beneficial for me to have a 50/50 random chance?

The understanding that a 50% chance of something happening that you want to happen is better than 0%.

And worse than 100%.

If you thought you could force something 100%, you wouldn't propose a 50/50.

And what do you think I would force?

Whichever you think is better for you.

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Re: RMM48: Cancer Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #163 on: May 27, 2018, 03:59:58 pm »

How do I know that your 50/50 plan isn't scum influencing our decision based on information you have?

What information do you think I have that makes it most beneficial for me to have a 50/50 random chance?

The understanding that a 50% chance of something happening that you want to happen is better than 0%.

And worse than 100%.

If you thought you could force something 100%, you wouldn't propose a 50/50.

And what do you think I would force?

Whichever you think is better for you.

Which is?
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Re: RMM48: Cancer Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #164 on: May 27, 2018, 04:05:43 pm »

How do I know that your 50/50 plan isn't scum influencing our decision based on information you have?

What information do you think I have that makes it most beneficial for me to have a 50/50 random chance?

The understanding that a 50% chance of something happening that you want to happen is better than 0%.

And worse than 100%.

If you thought you could force something 100%, you wouldn't propose a 50/50.

And what do you think I would force?

Whichever you think is better for you.

Which is?

Depends on whether you're scum.

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Re: RMM48: Cancer Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #165 on: May 27, 2018, 04:13:54 pm »

How do I know that your 50/50 plan isn't scum influencing our decision based on information you have?

What information do you think I have that makes it most beneficial for me to have a 50/50 random chance?

The understanding that a 50% chance of something happening that you want to happen is better than 0%.

And worse than 100%.

If you thought you could force something 100%, you wouldn't propose a 50/50.

And what do you think I would force?

Whichever you think is better for you.

Which is?

Depends on whether you're scum.

Aren't you working under the assumption that I am?
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Re: RMM48: Cancer Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #166 on: May 27, 2018, 04:17:47 pm »

How do I know that your 50/50 plan isn't scum influencing our decision based on information you have?

What information do you think I have that makes it most beneficial for me to have a 50/50 random chance?

The understanding that a 50% chance of something happening that you want to happen is better than 0%.

And worse than 100%.

If you thought you could force something 100%, you wouldn't propose a 50/50.

And what do you think I would force?

Whichever you think is better for you.

Which is?

Depends on whether you're scum.

Aren't you working under the assumption that I am?

Where did I say that?

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Re: RMM48: Cancer Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #167 on: May 27, 2018, 04:18:40 pm »

vote: Awaclus.
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Re: RMM48: Cancer Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #168 on: May 27, 2018, 04:21:03 pm »

How do I know that your 50/50 plan isn't scum influencing our decision based on information you have?

What information do you think I have that makes it most beneficial for me to have a 50/50 random chance?

The understanding that a 50% chance of something happening that you want to happen is better than 0%.

And worse than 100%.

If you thought you could force something 100%, you wouldn't propose a 50/50.

And what do you think I would force?

Whichever you think is better for you.

Which is?

Depends on whether you're scum.

Aren't you working under the assumption that I am?

Where did I say that?

How do I know that your 50/50 plan isn't scum influencing our decision based on information you have?
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Re: RMM48: Cancer Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #169 on: May 27, 2018, 04:28:45 pm »

Why the vote on Awaclus, EFHW?
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Re: RMM48: Cancer Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #170 on: May 27, 2018, 05:19:16 pm »

@mcmc, is gkrieg scummy?

So far I lean town and also lean town on you.
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Re: RMM48: Cancer Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #171 on: May 27, 2018, 05:58:07 pm »

How do I know that your 50/50 plan isn't scum influencing our decision based on information you have?

What information do you think I have that makes it most beneficial for me to have a 50/50 random chance?

The understanding that a 50% chance of something happening that you want to happen is better than 0%.

And worse than 100%.

If you thought you could force something 100%, you wouldn't propose a 50/50.

And what do you think I would force?

Whichever you think is better for you.

Which is?

Depends on whether you're scum.

Aren't you working under the assumption that I am?

Where did I say that?

How do I know that your 50/50 plan isn't scum influencing our decision based on information you have?

That's the question you still haven't answered.

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Re: RMM48: Cancer Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #172 on: May 27, 2018, 06:18:48 pm »

@Awaclus, your suggestion appeared to be that we should massclaim with a 50% chance. Do you believe that your plan has at least a 50% chance of being beneficial to town?

Compared to what?

Compared specifically to not following through on the plan you propose, since I think in general we need town consensus before a massclaim happens.

What I'm driving at is this: you're sort of correct in that we don't know anything about this set-up except for our individual roles. The only extra info we have is that faust has designed the game to be balanced, and my belief is that he wouldn't make a game that's too breakable or too swingy, or too far from what any of us expects as an RMM. I think mods typically like running games because they like players enjoying their construct, and get something out of contributing to the community of mafia players here. So, I think faust's game is reasonably close to other types of RMM games.

This is where IDP's question at #133/#134 is relevant: do we as a group believe that massclaiming D1 is ever good for town? I'm not convinced the answer is yes, and even if there was one pathological game you could cite, we'd still be left with the question of whether faust would offer up such a game to us now. So I think the chance of any random RMM game being constructed such that a D1 massclaim is good for town is lower than 5%. Yes, we don't know the specifics of this game, so it's fair for you to cite that you can't know what's going on, but it's also shortsighted because we can use prior information to make better judgements than random.

Anyway, I'm sure I'll regret trying to waid in with logic when you and IDP are having so much fun swamping the thread with chit-chat, but your attitude is irritating enough that I'm sorely tempted to join EFHW on the Awaclus train just now.
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Re: RMM48: Cancer Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #173 on: May 27, 2018, 06:22:52 pm »

Note to the other townies out there: almost 31% of the other people in this game are scums. That's a pretty high percentage, meaning that having a morale-boosting D1 scum lynch is more feasible than the average game, especially if we can get everyone talking. Not engaging with other people should not be an options for townies here.
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Re: RMM48: Cancer Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #174 on: May 27, 2018, 06:27:51 pm »

The more I think about this, the more I feel like it might be really fun. I'm in for Awaclus's plan.

I think I need you to show your working on that one. Maybe start by explaining what your understanding of Awaclus's plan is, then say why it's not a terrible idea...
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