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 To expand: I think PPS is more likely to make statements like the one he did as town, and scum will opportunistically jump on them and push for his lynch.

[Robz888]

To expand: I think PPS is more likely to make statements like the one he did as town, and scum will opportunistically jump on them and push for his lynch.

I'm not sure he's more likely to make statements like that as town. In that game he won as scum with faust and Cuzz, he was playing pretty bold with the claims.

[Hydrad]

I actually don't like how PPS claimed it kinda.

I guess just thinking if hes a goon scum, and didn't get a role. The way he claimed it sets up a safe fake claim if we do all claim.

On the flip side I guess for town it opens the possibility that he could be a vig still. But I still find it scummier then towny.

[iguanaiguana]

Vote Count 1.2

Xxraptorslayer96 (1): Hydrad
Hydrad (1): Jimmmmm
Robz888 (2): schadd, 2.71828...
schadd (1): Witherweaver
Awaclus (1): faust
2.71828... (1): Awaclus
Pingpongsam (1): Robz888

Not Voting (5): pingpongsam, DatSwan, Xxraptorslayer96, Cuzz, SpaceAnemonie

With 13 alive, i takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 lasts until Friday April 11 at 9 PM

[Hydrad]

One off topic thing. I'm assuming day ends may 11th?

[faust]

I don't think PPS is scum, but I think Robz is townie for suggesting that lynch.

[Swowl]

Vote: PPS

If he's a scum vig, great.

If he's scum who swapped claims with another scum, well he's still scum, great.

If he's town... well, I'd rather lose the vig than some other town PR.

If he's VT... meh.

I love you Robz, but this is so poorly thought out you like almost have to be town.

[Witherweaver]

I claim that I had also never heard of the Magicians and that Kingkiller Chronicle should have made the quiz.

Also my parents are visiting this weekend so I’m basically out till Monday.

I counterclaim.

[Witherweaver]

Vote: PPS

If he's a scum vig, great.

If he's scum who swapped claims with another scum, well he's still scum, great.

If he's town... well, I'd rather lose the vig than some other town PR.

If he's VT... meh.

I love you Robz, but this is so poorly thought out you like almost have to be town.

Nah, he's just really afraid of getting vigged.

[Xxraptorslayer96]

Vote: raptor

I have no idea who you are so may as well kill you off.

I have so many vote choices if we use this logic.

But also for those I haven’t played with; Hello, I’m raptor.

[faust]

I don't like PR massclaim, but I'd be up for a draft order+quiz answers massclaim.

are you meaning we just claim like what position we were in for the draft?

I am meaning we claim what position we were in for the draft, and what answers we submitted.

This idea could have merit to it.
But I think probably one then the other, as it gives skum the best chance to hang themselves.

Yeah. I was thinking that we should post the guesses for most popular answers and the draft positions first, then the actual answers.

How do you think this will provide benefit?

[Awaclus]

I don't like PR massclaim, but I'd be up for a draft order+quiz answers massclaim.

are you meaning we just claim like what position we were in for the draft?

I am meaning we claim what position we were in for the draft, and what answers we submitted.

This idea could have merit to it.
But I think probably one then the other, as it gives skum the best chance to hang themselves.

Yeah. I was thinking that we should post the guesses for most popular answers and the draft positions first, then the actual answers.

How do you think this will provide benefit?

It gives scum less of a chance to fakeclaim and get away with it.

[Hydrad]

I feel like just claiming draft order will result in the same thing?

I don't see scum lying about draft order because if they say the same number as someone else we can pick between them to lynch.

[Hydrad]

I feel like just claiming draft order will result in the same thing?

I don't see scum lying about draft order because if they say the same number as someone else we can pick between them to lynch.

actually thinking about it I guess I can see a slight difference that it could make.

Either way i'm still fine with all claiming options.

[Awaclus]

I feel like just claiming draft order will result in the same thing?

I don't see scum lying about draft order because if they say the same number as someone else we can pick between them to lynch.

That's actually true. Let's just claim draft order.

[2.71828.....]

I feel like just claiming draft order will result in the same thing?

I don't see scum lying about draft order because if they say the same number as someone else we can pick between them to lynch.

That's actually true. Let's just claim draft order.

No one has any reason to lie about draft order, which is why we don't learn anything from claiming it.

[Awaclus]

I feel like just claiming draft order will result in the same thing?

I don't see scum lying about draft order because if they say the same number as someone else we can pick between them to lynch.

That's actually true. Let's just claim draft order.

No one has any reason to lie about draft order, which is why we don't learn anything from claiming it.

We learn the draft order, which makes it harder for scum to lie about their actual roles when the time comes to claim that.

[SpaceAnemone]

@Awaclus, what's to stop scum claiming each other's slots in this plan you're promoting?

[Awaclus]

@Awaclus, what's to stop scum claiming each other's slots in this plan you're promoting?

Nothing. It's still better than nothing.

[faust]

Voting for Awaclus is also better than nothing.

[Awaclus]

Voting for Awaclus is also better than nothing.

If you think that contributing towards a scum victory is better than nothing, sure.

[SpaceAnemone]

@Awaclus, what's to stop scum claiming each other's slots in this plan you're promoting?

Nothing. It's still better than nothing.

"Nothing" in this context means not outing all our strong PRs before they've had a single night for information-gathering.

Can you convince me that doing a draft order claim D1 over D2 is worth the information we don't get from having our PRs targeted before they can do their thing?

[SpaceAnemone]

I feel like just claiming draft order will result in the same thing?

I don't see scum lying about draft order because if they say the same number as someone else we can pick between them to lynch.

That's actually true. Let's just claim draft order.

No one has any reason to lie about draft order, which is why we don't learn anything from claiming it.

Scum most certainly does have a reason to lie, because a scummy-seeming person low down in draft order end up less likely to be a top lynch target than one who's high in the draft order and might hold a valuable PR. And if that's not exactly how people are proposing to use the claim then why else is it so powerful that we need to do it at the expense of town PRs?

[Hydrad]

I feel like just claiming draft order will result in the same thing?

I don't see scum lying about draft order because if they say the same number as someone else we can pick between them to lynch.

That's actually true. Let's just claim draft order.

No one has any reason to lie about draft order, which is why we don't learn anything from claiming it.

Scum most certainly does have a reason to lie, because a scummy-seeming person low down in draft order end up less likely to be a top lynch target than one who's high in the draft order and might hold a valuable PR. And if that's not exactly how people are proposing to use the claim then why else is it so powerful that we need to do it at the expense of town PRs?

Ya this is the part where awaclus's idea of also claiming what you put on the test changes that so the scum can't swap numbers

[schadd]

@Awaclus, what's to stop scum claiming each other's slots in this plan you're promoting?

hmmmm