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Author Topic: M115: Okkervil River Mafia (Game over - Town wins!)  (Read 140818 times)

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Re: M115: Okkervil River Mafia (D4: Every Day 4, All The Time)
« Reply #1025 on: May 01, 2018, 04:17:42 am »

I really don't know if they double bussed. I haven't been avoiding the question. I said Space is scummy, and that's currently where I am planning to vote.

This is a nonsense post.
Space cant be SK from your perspective bc GalzHydrad was clearly Skum. it would of been in their SK!Wincon to finish the job.
So either;
Space is Town and you are Mafia and SK + Mafia was on wagon
Space is Mafia and you are Mafia and SK was on wagon


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Jesus how did i fuck that up
real good. That’s how
Town:  14 wins, 14 losses (1 MVP)
Skum: 7 wins, 7 losses (1 MVP)
3-Party: 4 wins, 1 loss

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Re: M115: Okkervil River Mafia (D4: Every Day 4, All The Time)
« Reply #1026 on: May 01, 2018, 08:44:06 am »

At this point I go by the way that people are speaking about the game. O, gkrieg, and Datswan are saying things that make sense and trying to probe the logic of the game and figure stuff out, and others are...doing less of that.
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Re: M115: Okkervil River Mafia (D4: Every Day 4, All The Time)
« Reply #1027 on: May 01, 2018, 08:49:08 am »

Also, I honestly wasn't gonna do this because the results are trash, but everyone towny seems so sure that it's a good idea, and there might be some important implications that I missed:

N1: Track Robz who targeted no one; e targeted Robz (hey, e is conftown, that's useful)
N2: Track Datswan who targeted no one.
N3: Track Space with no result.
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Re: M115: Okkervil River Mafia (D4: Every Day 4, All The Time)
« Reply #1028 on: May 01, 2018, 08:53:59 am »

I mean they're not total trash. Datswan looks townie, but no one was gunning to lynch him anyway, and Space looks scummy but everyone kind of agrees on that anyway.
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Re: M115: Okkervil River Mafia (D4: Every Day 4, All The Time)
« Reply #1029 on: May 01, 2018, 08:56:47 am »

I really don't know if they double bussed. I haven't been avoiding the question. I said Space is scummy, and that's currently where I am planning to vote.

This is a nonsense post.
Space cant be SK from your perspective bc GalzHydrad was clearly Skum. it would of been in their SK!Wincon to finish the job.
So either;
Space is Town and you are Mafia and SK + Mafia was on wagon
Space is Mafia and you are Mafia and SK was on wagon


Vote: EFHW
I'm not interested in the question of the double bussing. Maybe they did, maybe they didn't. The two seem equally likely to me.
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Re: M115: Okkervil River Mafia (D4: Every Day 4, All The Time)
« Reply #1030 on: May 01, 2018, 09:07:22 am »

I'm ready to vote Space now. With roleblocker dead, no result means they were rolestopped or commuter.  There's a small chance scum rolestopped town as a diversion, but I don't think so. Any reason to wait?
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Re: M115: Okkervil River Mafia (D4: Every Day 4, All The Time)
« Reply #1031 on: May 01, 2018, 09:53:36 am »

I'll wait for possible counterclaim.

Cuzz, don't you think your results are incriminating of Space?
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Re: M115: Okkervil River Mafia (D4: Every Day 4, All the Time)
« Reply #1032 on: May 01, 2018, 10:03:01 am »

Do you fall so short of all that's in your heart?
When your friends, that you should pull up, you instead pick apart?
Do you watch the world get cold, and crushed, and small?
And when you could do so much, you do [----] all?
Do you?


Vote count 4.3

SpaceAnemone (2): gkrieg13, O
gkrieg13 (1): Lalight
EFHW (1): DatSwan

not voting (3): SpaceAnemone, Cuzz, EFHW

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 4 ends Saturday, May 5 at 8:10am forum time.
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Point iguana. Not that points really matter with a result, but still.
Igu is town or trying the hardest he ever has as scum.

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Re: M115: Okkervil River Mafia (D4: Every Day 4, All The Time)
« Reply #1033 on: May 01, 2018, 10:58:47 am »

I'll wait for possible counterclaim.

Cuzz, don't you think your results are incriminating of Space?

yeah probably
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Re: M115: Okkervil River Mafia (D4: Every Day 4, All The Time)
« Reply #1034 on: May 01, 2018, 10:59:24 am »

Vote: Space
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Re: M115: Okkervil River Mafia (D4: Every Day 4, All The Time)
« Reply #1035 on: May 01, 2018, 11:13:07 am »

I'll wait for possible counterclaim.

Cuzz, don't you think your results are incriminating of Space?

How are they incriminating of Space?
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Re: M115: Okkervil River Mafia (D4: Every Day 4, All The Time)
« Reply #1036 on: May 01, 2018, 11:45:54 am »

Because no result is different than “targeted no one” so space either was rolestopped or commuter, both of which imply scum
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Re: M115: Okkervil River Mafia (D4: Every Day 4, All The Time)
« Reply #1037 on: May 01, 2018, 11:50:11 am »

Honestly I’ve never liked that. I usually think no result should be used for both targeted no one AND your action failed. But in this case it’s probably more balanced
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Re: M115: Okkervil River Mafia (D4: Every Day 4, All The Time)
« Reply #1038 on: May 01, 2018, 12:50:24 pm »

I'll wait for possible counterclaim.

Cuzz, don't you think your results are incriminating of Space?

How are they incriminating of Space?

With roleblocker dead, no result means they were rolestopped or commuter.  There's a small chance scum rolestopped town as a diversion, but I don't think so.
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Re: M115: Okkervil River Mafia (D4: Every Day 4, All The Time)
« Reply #1039 on: May 01, 2018, 02:25:28 pm »

I'll wait for possible counterclaim.

Cuzz, don't you think your results are incriminating of Space?

How are they incriminating of Space?

With roleblocker dead, no result means they were rolestopped or commuter.  There's a small chance scum rolestopped town as a diversion, but I don't think so.

I figured no result would mean both roleblocked and no tracking.
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Re: M115: Okkervil River Mafia (D4: Every Day 4, All The Time)
« Reply #1040 on: May 01, 2018, 02:26:25 pm »

I'm a 1-shot bulletproofer.  I'm bulletproofing Cuzz tonight.  I haven't used my shot yet because I haven't had a strong enough town read on anyone yet.
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Re: M115: Okkervil River Mafia (D4: Every Day 4, All The Time)
« Reply #1041 on: May 01, 2018, 02:32:21 pm »

Oh just realized that doesn't work with the rolestopper if they still have a shot.  Rethinking this now.
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Re: M115: Okkervil River Mafia (D4: Every Day 4, All The Time)
« Reply #1042 on: May 01, 2018, 02:48:38 pm »

I simultaneously believe you and can't imagine a single reason why both claiming that AND claiming who you will bulletproof is beneficial in any way.
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Re: M115: Okkervil River Mafia (D4: Every Day 4, All The Time)
« Reply #1043 on: May 01, 2018, 02:49:43 pm »

Like this is a potentially throwing away a near free win level of mistake..
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Re: M115: Okkervil River Mafia (D4: Every Day 4, All The Time)
« Reply #1044 on: May 01, 2018, 03:06:59 pm »

Like this is a potentially throwing away a near free win level of mistake..

this is why you should never say anything in this game
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Re: M115: Okkervil River Mafia (D4: Every Day 4, All The Time)
« Reply #1045 on: May 01, 2018, 03:11:23 pm »

Sorry, very busy today and not thinking about the game when I said that.
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Re: M115: Okkervil River Mafia (D4: Every Day 4, All The Time)
« Reply #1046 on: May 01, 2018, 03:22:00 pm »

Sorry, very busy today and not thinking about the game when I said that.

it's fine, just roll a d12 to decide whether to do the thing you said you'd do or not
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Re: M115: Okkervil River Mafia (D4: Every Day 4, All The Time)
« Reply #1047 on: May 01, 2018, 04:46:38 pm »

Space - Want to say anything before the hammer?
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Re: M115: Okkervil River Mafia (D4: Every Day 4, All The Time)
« Reply #1048 on: May 01, 2018, 05:08:41 pm »

Sorry.. been away from the forum all day and only just catching up.
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Re: M115: Okkervil River Mafia (D4: Every Day 4, All The Time)
« Reply #1049 on: May 01, 2018, 05:17:21 pm »

@gkriek, you are totally mischaracterizing my objection to the Galz lynch: I was definitely not arguing he was town, but that I preferred not to push someone who I thought had a strong chance of flipping SK, and wanted to push a wagon that had a higher chance of not losing the game.

But my logic held even better for galz not being the SK than not being town. It was obvious when he sat at L-1 for so long that he really couldn’t be the SK.

So right now do you believe EFHW is scum or do you believe it was a double bus?

What I thought at the time was that Hydrad was the SK who the mafia knew about. It felt like it made sense for Galz, because his play didn't seem particularly team-like, whereas if mafia knew who the SK was, then piling onto him like people piled onto Galz at the start of last day phase made a lot of sense, especially when they could use his scummy-looking hammer and subsequent absence as cover.

I'd would be surprised if scums double-bussed on their RB, and EFHW is not looking like the towniest one here. Your argument doesn't hold, though, because while an SK wants to lynch town, yesterday we particularly didn't want to lynch the SK because it would probably have been handing the game to mafia. So an SK could sit there on L-1 due to mafia and not be hammered by cautious town -- I don't see any problem with that.
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