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[Swowl]

Cuzz/O - what scenario do you find likely for there be no deaths last night?

also GK if you would answer please. but after cuzz and o.

nvm you pretty much already answered this duh.

[Swowl]

With some exceptions, each game will include Will Sheff, a named tracker.

Are these exceptions in the setup? Like if we roll a "not named" tracker does that gtd there will NOT also be a named tracker? Or is just put in the setup for balancing purposes?

[LaLight]

my vla starts right about now but I will be here at some points, and will be following. Not sure how I feel about Cuzz who's always in shadow and EFHW who also didn't want to vote for Galz. ANd Space is so hard to read... I may be inclined to vote for them if given enough evidence. Now i really want to vote: gkrieg. He looks like he came into the day with some kind of plan, and for some reason i see it as scummy.

[EFHW]

My reads have been so bad this game, I don't know where to start. I'll try rereading the game with known flips in mind.

[iguanaiguana]

As you're standing on some curb waiting to cross,
would you say you feel like some weak leaf, wind-turned and tossed?
All the time, every day. Every day, all the time.

Vote count 4.1

SpaceAnemone (1): gkrieg13
gkrieg13 (1): Lalight

not voting (5): DatSwan, SpaceAnemone, Cuzz, EFHW, O

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 4 ends Saturday, May 5 at 8:10am forum time.

[gkrieg13]

my vla starts right about now but I will be here at some points, and will be following. Not sure how I feel about Cuzz who's always in shadow and EFHW who also didn't want to vote for Galz. ANd Space is so hard to read... I may be inclined to vote for them if given enough evidence. Now i really want to vote: gkrieg. He looks like he came into the day with some kind of plan, and for some reason i see it as scummy.

This is almost laughable at this point. I’m scum because I saw Hydrads flip and thought “well there are the scums”. Space is way too smart to not see my reasoning that Hydrad had to be scum yesterday and instead decided to argue with me about very little details, like whether or not it was a 100% scum win to hammer town!Hydrad or not. Him flipping scum is basically all the evidence you need.

Also why on earth would you vote for someone who was on the scum wagon and actively pushing his lynch instead of even glancing at the people who were off-wagon and refusing to vote for galz with pretty weak reasoning?  Galz was the ROLEBLOCKER. Scum couldn’t afford to lose him and still be able to block the SK. Almost any town lynch would have given them the win but lynching the roleblocker was obviously the worst outcome for them.

[gkrieg13]

With some exceptions, each game will include Will Sheff, a named tracker.

Are these exceptions in the setup? Like if we roll a "not named" tracker does that gtd there will NOT also be a named tracker? Or is just put in the setup for balancing purposes?

The exception is that he could be a JK but that is impossible in this game.

[O]

@Datswan

Scum either hit 1) A bulletproofed person or 2) the SK, with SK being more likely. SK either hit 1) A rolestopped scum, 2) A bulletproofed person, 3) A commuter scum, with Rolestopped > Commuter > Bulletproofed being the most likely.


After Space there is a big dropoff. Gkrieg is out of my lynch pool (maybe permanently?  definitely for today). Then there's EFHW, Then you/LaLight (maybe you over LaLight), than Cuzz who is liable to change positions because of his lurking. 

[O]

Vote: Space

Don't think we can consider this a LYLO or MYLO situation and am very confident that Space is scum given their utter derailment of GalzaDrad's lynch yesterday.

[gkrieg13]

Vote: Space

Don't think we can consider this a LYLO or MYLO situation and am very confident that Space is scum given their utter derailment of GalzaDrad's lynch yesterday.

I guess that is true. Technically we can lynch correctly and still lose

[gkrieg13]

@Datswan

Scum either hit 1) A bulletproofed person or 2) the SK, with SK being more likely. SK either hit 1) A rolestopped scum, 2) A bulletproofed person, 3) A commuter scum, with Rolestopped > Commuter > Bulletproofed being the most likely.


After Space there is a big dropoff. Gkrieg is out of my lynch pool (maybe permanently?  definitely for today). Then there's EFHW, Then you/LaLight (maybe you over LaLight), than Cuzz who is liable to change positions because of his lurking.

I think the other scum member is EFHW with LaLight as SK. I’m unsure why LaLight is going after me right now though. It doesn’t make much sense as an SK but makes more sense as scum.

[gkrieg13]

My reads have been so bad this game, I don't know where to start. I'll try rereading the game with known flips in mind.

Why do you think you didn’t follow my advice yesterday. How many people do you think are scum on the wagon?

You have to either believe that Space is scum or that scum double bussed (which I would want you to justify why scum double bussed their roleblocker when it was pretty obvious that neither you or Space were going to vote for Hydrad).

@Space same question but switch Space for EFHW.

[gkrieg13]

my vla starts right about now but I will be here at some points, and will be following. Not sure how I feel about Cuzz who's always in shadow and EFHW who also didn't want to vote for Galz. ANd Space is so hard to read... I may be inclined to vote for them if given enough evidence. Now i really want to vote: gkrieg. He looks like he came into the day with some kind of plan, and for some reason i see it as scummy.

Just reread this again and I actually started laughing.

[O]

How does Hidden Commuter work? It's not really clear at all

1) Is the commuting mandatory
2) Can scum take actions while commuting
3) Is commuting "hidden" in that scum does not know they're a commuter, or only in that it does not show up on flips.

[gkrieg13]

How does Hidden Commuter work? It's not really clear at all

1) Is the commuting mandatory
2) Can scum take actions while commuting
3) Is commuting "hidden" in that scum does not know they're a commuter, or only in that it does not show up on flips.

As I understand it, the commuting is mandatory but mafia can still take actions. They also don’t know which one has it.

[O]

How does Hidden Commuter work? It's not really clear at all

1) Is the commuting mandatory
2) Can scum take actions while commuting
3) Is commuting "hidden" in that scum does not know they're a commuter, or only in that it does not show up on flips.

As I understand it, the commuting is mandatory but mafia can still take actions. They also don’t know which one has it.

So... one of the scum is potentially entirely immune to any actions by any other role except the Dayvig? I don't think that's a balanced scenario at all.

[gkrieg13]

How does Hidden Commuter work? It's not really clear at all

1) Is the commuting mandatory
2) Can scum take actions while commuting
3) Is commuting "hidden" in that scum does not know they're a commuter, or only in that it does not show up on flips.

As I understand it, the commuting is mandatory but mafia can still take actions. They also don’t know which one has it.

So... one of the scum is potentially entirely immune to any actions by any other role except the Dayvig? I don't think that's a balanced scenario at all.

I think that is true. I agree it probably isn’t too balanced.

[EFHW]

Reread thru day 2. Going to drop focus on Lalight as scum, and DatSwan as well. Happy to vote Space. Townread on gkrieg strengthened. Guess that leaves O and Cuzz.

[EFHW]

My reads have been so bad this game, I don't know where to start. I'll try rereading the game with known flips in mind.

Why do you think you didn’t follow my advice yesterday. How many people do you think are scum on the wagon?

You have to either believe that Space is scum or that scum double bussed (which I would want you to justify why scum double bussed their roleblocker when it was pretty obvious that neither you or Space were going to vote for Hydrad).

@Space same question but switch Space for EFHW.

Which advice did I not follow?

[iguanaiguana]

As the streets sail by the seats inside your car,
does each face outside collide against your heart?
As you watch them blaze or fade into the dark,
do you want to scream that you're so pleased with who they are?

Vote count 4.2

SpaceAnemone (2): gkrieg13, O
gkrieg13 (1): Lalight

not voting (4): DatSwan, SpaceAnemone, Cuzz, EFHW

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 4 ends Saturday, May 5 at 8:10am forum time.

[gkrieg13]

My reads have been so bad this game, I don't know where to start. I'll try rereading the game with known flips in mind.

Why do you think you didn’t follow my advice yesterday. How many people do you think are scum on the wagon?

You have to either believe that Space is scum or that scum double bussed (which I would want you to justify why scum double bussed their roleblocker when it was pretty obvious that neither you or Space were going to vote for Hydrad).

@Space same question but switch Space for EFHW.

Which advice did I not follow?

The advice to lynch Hydrad. You claimed that mafia wouldn’t win from a non-mafia lynch and so you wouldn’t vote for Hydrad

[EFHW]

My reads have been so bad this game, I don't know where to start. I'll try rereading the game with known flips in mind.

Why do you think you didn’t follow my advice yesterday. How many people do you think are scum on the wagon?

You have to either believe that Space is scum or that scum double bussed (which I would want you to justify why scum double bussed their roleblocker when it was pretty obvious that neither you or Space were going to vote for Hydrad).

@Space same question but switch Space for EFHW.

Which advice did I not follow?

The advice to lynch Hydrad. You claimed that mafia wouldn’t win from a non-mafia lynch and so you wouldn’t vote for Hydrad

I didn't think he was scum. It was a bad read.

[O]

It wasn't just a read at that point. There were numerous direct implications that GalzHydrad being town would imply. You ignored people when they asked you to state which of the few scenarios in which GalzHydrad!Town was possible was even remotely likely (the reality: none of them were remotely likely).

[gkrieg13]

My reads have been so bad this game, I don't know where to start. I'll try rereading the game with known flips in mind.

Why do you think you didn’t follow my advice yesterday. How many people do you think are scum on the wagon?

You have to either believe that Space is scum or that scum double bussed (which I would want you to justify why scum double bussed their roleblocker when it was pretty obvious that neither you or Space were going to vote for Hydrad).

@Space same question but switch Space for EFHW.

Which advice did I not follow?

The advice to lynch Hydrad. You claimed that mafia wouldn’t win from a non-mafia lynch and so you wouldn’t vote for Hydrad

I didn't think he was scum. It was a bad read.

What about the rest of my post that you are ignoring?

[Cuzz]

hmm maybe efhw, space, and LL are all scum...