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Re: M115: Okkervil River Mafia (D1 Down the Deep River)
« Reply #375 on: April 09, 2018, 04:54:07 am »

EFHW - other than your current - who is skummy to you?
I have an actual basis for my suspicion of Robz. Anyone else is guesswork, but I'd say e, gkrieg, mcmc?
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Re: M115: Okkervil River Mafia (D1 Down the Deep River)
« Reply #376 on: April 09, 2018, 05:09:27 am »

No real wagons at this poin means skum is comfy. I am removing cuzz from the equation for now bc no content.

Single vote candidates should present a list of players that create a good skum Pool: that would be Faust, Galz, mcmc, and space.

I want to lynch here - anyone else feeling that vibe?
I don't agree with this reasoning.  Town needs to start consolidating votes, but I don't think people with just one vote are more likely to be scum.
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Re: M115: Okkervil River Mafia (D1 Down the Deep River)
« Reply #377 on: April 09, 2018, 05:19:57 am »

Single vote candidates should present a list of players that create a good skum Pool: that would be Faust, Galz, mcmc, and space.
Here is a list of players that would make decent lynches:

gkrieg, e, EFHW, Space, Cuzz
I forgot the reason why I don't want to lynch EFHW. She still rubs me the wrong way, and she has more than one vote, so I guess I'm keeping her in this pool.
Because I conflated e and Galzria.
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Re: M115: Okkervil River Mafia (D1 Down the Deep River)
« Reply #378 on: April 09, 2018, 08:41:55 am »


Though it's not all right. It is so far from all right.
We'll make it into a choice somehow.
I don't know how, but you'll have a choice somehow.

Vote count 1.10

Robz888 (3): IDontPlayThisGame, EFHW, O
McMcsalot (1): Galzria
EFHW (2): mcmcsalot, SpaceAnemone
IDontPlayThisGame (4): Robz888, The_Wine_Merchant, gkrieg13, 2.71828...
gkrieg13 (1): faust
Galzria (1): DatSwan

not voting (2): Cuzz

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends Monday, April 9 at 9pm forum time. That is 12 hours and ~15 minutes from now.

mod note: added song lyrics to the last 5 vote counts. Which means all the best lyrics are up that way ^
« Last Edit: April 09, 2018, 12:35:04 pm by iguanaiguana »
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Re: M115: Okkervil River Mafia (D1 Down the Deep River)
« Reply #379 on: April 09, 2018, 09:04:00 am »

EFHW - other than your current - who is skummy to you?
I have an actual basis for my suspicion of Robz. Anyone else is guesswork, but I'd say e, gkrieg, mcmc?
vote: 2.7
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Re: M115: Okkervil River Mafia (D1 Down the Deep River)
« Reply #380 on: April 09, 2018, 09:15:37 am »

Can you fix vote count 1.9? gkrieg should be voting IDPTG. Thanks.

I did change it. If there's any other mistakes somewhere let me know!
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Re: M115: Okkervil River Mafia (D1 Down the Deep River)
« Reply #381 on: April 09, 2018, 09:16:56 am »

Can you fix vote count 1.9? gkrieg should be voting IDPTG. Thanks.

I see it was fixed later, but it's less confusing to have the official vote count be correct.
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Re: M115: Okkervil River Mafia (D1 Down the Deep River)
« Reply #382 on: April 09, 2018, 09:22:58 am »

EFHW - other than your current - who is skummy to you?
I have an actual basis for my suspicion of Robz. Anyone else is guesswork, but I'd say e, gkrieg, mcmc?
vote: 2.7

So... what's up with

That said, vote: gkrieg
I don't think this vote was counted.

I also don't see the purpose of it at this point in the game.
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Re: M115: Okkervil River Mafia (D1 Down the Deep River)
« Reply #383 on: April 09, 2018, 09:26:18 am »

I had not seen anyone express any interest in gkrieg lynch.

Multiple people have said 2.7 but no one had started it.

Feel the two situations are different.
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Re: M115: Okkervil River Mafia (D1 Down the Deep River)
« Reply #384 on: April 09, 2018, 09:41:00 am »

So why should I vote for e?
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Re: M115: Okkervil River Mafia (D1 Down the Deep River)
« Reply #385 on: April 09, 2018, 10:24:30 am »

I had not seen anyone express any interest in gkrieg lynch.

Multiple people have said 2.7 but no one had started it.

Feel the two situations are different.

You mean that you have said it multiple times, not multiple people
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Re: M115: Okkervil River Mafia (D1 Down the Deep River)
« Reply #386 on: April 09, 2018, 10:38:28 am »

Can you fix vote count 1.9? gkrieg should be voting IDPTG. Thanks.

I did change it. If there's any other mistakes somewhere let me know!

Meant to quote this, not modify it. I'm not schadd, just clumsy
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Re: M115: Okkervil River Mafia (D1 Down the Deep River)
« Reply #387 on: April 09, 2018, 10:54:18 am »

I had not seen anyone express any interest in gkrieg lynch.

Multiple people have said 2.7 but no one had started it.

Feel the two situations are different.

faust and I both said gkrieg and e.
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Re: M115: Okkervil River Mafia (D1 Down the Deep River)
« Reply #388 on: April 09, 2018, 10:56:22 am »

Can you fix vote count 1.9? gkrieg should be voting IDPTG. Thanks.

I did change it. If there's any other mistakes somewhere let me know!

Meant to quote this, not modify it. I'm not schadd, just clumsy
I think it is still wrong. faust should be voting gkrieg and gkrieg should be voting IDPTG.
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Re: M115: Okkervil River Mafia (D1 Down the Deep River)
« Reply #389 on: April 09, 2018, 11:05:31 am »

I had not seen anyone express any interest in gkrieg lynch.

Multiple people have said 2.7 but no one had started it.

Feel the two situations are different.

faust and I both said gkrieg and e.

In passing in a list of potential D1 lynches. You were never like, "let's lynch e" directly as TWM has done twice now
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Re: M115: Okkervil River Mafia (D1 Down the Deep River)
« Reply #390 on: April 09, 2018, 11:08:35 am »

So let's talk gkrieg. He's provided the first reason to suspect him himself:

Hey mcmc this game has been going for half a day already: more than enough time for you to tell us if gkrieg is scum.

Is he?

Also after the Space Alert game, I decided that I was going to take a long break, but couldn't stay away.  I would've been much less keen to play this game as scum, and would be lurking a lot harder.
Now gkrieg isn't exactly lurking, but there certainly is a lack of effort. Most of his posts are one-liners without much substance. It feels like he is artificially keeping his activity level up.

We also have this:
Faust is being pestering and playing both sides. I think that means he is probably town?

Ugh.. I appreciate your calm behaviour, in that people getting genuinely angry in-thread isn't nice, but I can pretty much feel a careless shrug in your words there.

Why is inconsistent!faust prob!town for "playing both sides" -- isn't that exactly how scum work to find a likely wagon for a mislynch?

I agree with Space here.  vote: faust
Although I would much rather lynch a lurker than faust D1.
So he would rather lynch someone else, but still votes for me?

And this:
I think right now I'm on the edge with Galzria, TWM, and Datswan.  As in, I think they are scummy, in that I don't think they have done anything townie.
But Idplay has?

I thought his defense was townie in that he tried to defend himself, instead of just fading into the background.
This looks promising. Vote: Idplay

Though I am quite confused that e and gkrieg, two people who have previously defended Idplay, are now voting for him. Do you want to give us an explanation of what changed your mind?

He sounded a lot scummier in the few posts before my vote.  He still sounds scummy in his defense.
First the defense is townie, then it is scummy.

Now contradictions aren't necessarily scummy, but they indicate a lack of involvement in the game. Which again fits the theory that scum!gkrieg would not be very motivated for this game.
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Re: M115: Okkervil River Mafia (D1 Down the Deep River)
« Reply #391 on: April 09, 2018, 11:16:51 am »

Let’s take a good chance on this one and lynch Galz. Is anyone on board with that?

Vote: Galz

I still think
Galzria is a terrible lynch.

Why?
Because he's a strong player that for some reason still usually gets a lot of heat on early days. It is the dream mislynch for scum. I would much rather evaluate Galzria's play in 2 days time if he's still alive by then.

Does this not apply at all to me?
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Re: M115: Okkervil River Mafia (D1 Down the Deep River)
« Reply #392 on: April 09, 2018, 11:20:55 am »

Let’s take a good chance on this one and lynch Galz. Is anyone on board with that?

Vote: Galz

I still think
Galzria is a terrible lynch.

Why?
Because he's a strong player that for some reason still usually gets a lot of heat on early days. It is the dream mislynch for scum. I would much rather evaluate Galzria's play in 2 days time if he's still alive by then.

Does this not apply at all to me?
Well for me personally you just don't look as scary. It's entirely possible that that's just my bias because Galrzia was here way before I started and I still remember your first games.

Also I don't feel like you are a particularly popular target for D1 wagons. Am I wrong?
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Re: M115: Okkervil River Mafia (D1 Down the Deep River)
« Reply #393 on: April 09, 2018, 11:28:47 am »

Can you fix vote count 1.9? gkrieg should be voting IDPTG. Thanks.

I did change it. If there's any other mistakes somewhere let me know!

Meant to quote this, not modify it. I'm not schadd, just clumsy
I think it is still wrong. faust should be voting gkrieg and gkrieg should be voting IDPTG.

This probably isn't going to be a popular thing to say, but I suspect scum is more likely to point out vote counter corrections.
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Re: M115: Okkervil River Mafia (D1 Down the Deep River)
« Reply #394 on: April 09, 2018, 11:30:54 am »

Can you fix vote count 1.9? gkrieg should be voting IDPTG. Thanks.

I did change it. If there's any other mistakes somewhere let me know!

Meant to quote this, not modify it. I'm not schadd, just clumsy
I think it is still wrong. faust should be voting gkrieg and gkrieg should be voting IDPTG.

This probably isn't going to be a popular thing to say, but I suspect scum is more likely to point out vote counter corrections.
Dunno. I have been scum worried about that kind of thing and in order to not look suspicious for correcting the vote count on a partner I have pointed it out in my QT.
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Re: M115: Okkervil River Mafia (D1 Down the Deep River)
« Reply #395 on: April 09, 2018, 11:39:26 am »

Can you fix vote count 1.9? gkrieg should be voting IDPTG. Thanks.

I did change it. If there's any other mistakes somewhere let me know!

Meant to quote this, not modify it. I'm not schadd, just clumsy
I think it is still wrong. faust should be voting gkrieg and gkrieg should be voting IDPTG.

Fixed, sorry. I saw 1.9.Oups but not 1.9 when I was going through.
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« Reply #396 on: April 09, 2018, 12:18:54 pm »

I had not seen anyone express any interest in gkrieg lynch.

Multiple people have said 2.7 but no one had started it.

Feel the two situations are different.

faust and I both said gkrieg and e.

In passing in a list of potential D1 lynches. You were never like, "let's lynch e" directly as TWM has done twice now
What I mean is that his reasons for choosing you also apply to gkrieg. More, since faust had actually voted gkrieg.
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Re: M115: Okkervil River Mafia (D1 Down the Deep River)
« Reply #397 on: April 09, 2018, 12:22:51 pm »

I had not seen anyone express any interest in gkrieg lynch.

Multiple people have said 2.7 but no one had started it.

Feel the two situations are different.
Why not Robz?
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Re: M115: Okkervil River Mafia (D1 Down the Deep River)
« Reply #398 on: April 09, 2018, 01:20:09 pm »

So let's talk gkrieg. He's provided the first reason to suspect him himself:

Hey mcmc this game has been going for half a day already: more than enough time for you to tell us if gkrieg is scum.

Is he?

Also after the Space Alert game, I decided that I was going to take a long break, but couldn't stay away.  I would've been much less keen to play this game as scum, and would be lurking a lot harder.
Now gkrieg isn't exactly lurking, but there certainly is a lack of effort. Most of his posts are one-liners without much substance. It feels like he is artificially keeping his activity level up.

We also have this:
Faust is being pestering and playing both sides. I think that means he is probably town?

Ugh.. I appreciate your calm behaviour, in that people getting genuinely angry in-thread isn't nice, but I can pretty much feel a careless shrug in your words there.

Why is inconsistent!faust prob!town for "playing both sides" -- isn't that exactly how scum work to find a likely wagon for a mislynch?

I agree with Space here.  vote: faust
Although I would much rather lynch a lurker than faust D1.
So he would rather lynch someone else, but still votes for me?

And this:
I think right now I'm on the edge with Galzria, TWM, and Datswan.  As in, I think they are scummy, in that I don't think they have done anything townie.
But Idplay has?

I thought his defense was townie in that he tried to defend himself, instead of just fading into the background.
This looks promising. Vote: Idplay

Though I am quite confused that e and gkrieg, two people who have previously defended Idplay, are now voting for him. Do you want to give us an explanation of what changed your mind?

He sounded a lot scummier in the few posts before my vote.  He still sounds scummy in his defense.
First the defense is townie, then it is scummy.

Now contradictions aren't necessarily scummy, but they indicate a lack of involvement in the game. Which again fits the theory that scum!gkrieg would not be very motivated for this game.

I wouldn't say that I've been lurking, or "not putting much effort" into this game at all.  Having short posts doesn't at all mean that I'm not putting much effort into this game.

I thought IDPTG's first defense was townie, but then he wasn't giving a townie defense of himself in the second part of his post.  Are you saying that I'm scummy for changing my mind?

I think you (faust) have been scummy today.  I would rather lynch someone else D1 (as you have also pointed out that you want to lynch a lurker), because I think I will be able to tell in later days if you are scum or not.  That is why I would rather lynch someone else, even when I was voting for you.

You are treating my posts like they all happened at one point in time.  It is clear if you actually go over the stuff in context that I thought that IDPTG had a townie defense, then time went on, he posted some more stuff, and I didn't think he was townie anymore.  You are trying to find inconsistencies where there aren't any.  This case is legitimately bad and very misleading as to what I've actually done this game so far.
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Re: M115: Okkervil River Mafia (D1 Down the Deep River)
« Reply #399 on: April 09, 2018, 01:21:20 pm »

Let’s take a good chance on this one and lynch Galz. Is anyone on board with that?

Vote: Galz

I still think
Galzria is a terrible lynch.

Why?
Because he's a strong player that for some reason still usually gets a lot of heat on early days. It is the dream mislynch for scum. I would much rather evaluate Galzria's play in 2 days time if he's still alive by then.

Does this not apply at all to me?
Well for me personally you just don't look as scary. It's entirely possible that that's just my bias because Galrzia was here way before I started and I still remember your first games.

Also I don't feel like you are a particularly popular target for D1 wagons. Am I wrong?

I pretty consistently get D1 wagons. 
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