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Re: M115: Okkervil River Mafia (D1 Down the Deep River)
« Reply #125 on: April 03, 2018, 08:07:28 pm »

Funny.
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Re: M115: Okkervil River Mafia (D1 Down the Deep River)
« Reply #126 on: April 03, 2018, 08:08:37 pm »

And not related but I got distracted before I could vote: EFHW
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Re: M115: Okkervil River Mafia (D1 Down the Deep River)
« Reply #127 on: April 03, 2018, 08:43:02 pm »

And not related but I got distracted before I could vote: EFHW

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Derphammering is when quickhammers go derp.

Faust has also been incredibly stubborn this game. In other news, it's hot in the summer, and water falls from the sky when it rains.


Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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Re: M115: Okkervil River Mafia (D1 Down the Deep River)
« Reply #128 on: April 03, 2018, 09:53:46 pm »

And not related but I got distracted before I could vote: EFHW

Why
What mcmc said resonated
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Re: M115: Okkervil River Mafia (D1 Down the Deep River)
« Reply #129 on: April 03, 2018, 09:57:42 pm »

And not related but I got distracted before I could vote: EFHW

Why
What mcmc said resonated

Do you think scum!EFHW would sheep without detailed thought so easily? Do you think scum!Swan incapable of coming up reasons for his votes?
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Derphammering is when quickhammers go derp.

Faust has also been incredibly stubborn this game. In other news, it's hot in the summer, and water falls from the sky when it rains.


Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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Re: M115: Okkervil River Mafia (D1 Down the Deep River)
« Reply #130 on: April 03, 2018, 10:15:41 pm »

And not related but I got distracted before I could vote: EFHW

Why
What mcmc said resonated

Do you think scum!EFHW would sheep without detailed thought so easily? Do you think scum!Swan incapable of coming up reasons for his votes?
These questions don't seem relevant. Or rather than are imposing ideas into my head that I don't have. mcmc might have said them, but I don't necessarily agree with his whole comment.

EFHW's later justification for her sheep/read/vote felt less authentic than Datswan's, which was completely based off prior observations. Mostly I think it ridiculous to find anyone scummy for asking setup questions. Do you think it is? You are the one who did it.
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Re: M115: Okkervil River Mafia (D1 Down the Deep River)
« Reply #131 on: April 03, 2018, 10:15:59 pm »

Is RR in this game?
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Re: M115: Okkervil River Mafia (D1 Down the Deep River)
« Reply #132 on: April 03, 2018, 10:50:15 pm »

mcmc is overdefending TWM.

And everyone (except Galzria!) is misunderstanding (?) what I said. There's nothing wrong with asking questions, it's just that it doesn't happen that much. And Galzria had made a big point of saying he didn't know the setup, so that fit a scum narrative. This big a fuss makes me want my vote to stay there for now.
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Re: M115: Okkervil River Mafia (D1 Down the Deep River)
« Reply #133 on: April 03, 2018, 10:50:58 pm »

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Re: M115: Okkervil River Mafia (D1 Down the Deep River)
« Reply #134 on: April 04, 2018, 12:28:01 am »

mcmc is overdefending TWM.

Totally the best way to get TWM to think you are town.
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Re: M115: Okkervil River Mafia (D1 Down the Deep River)
« Reply #135 on: April 04, 2018, 12:30:20 am »

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Re: M115: Okkervil River Mafia (D1 Down the Deep River)
« Reply #136 on: April 04, 2018, 12:58:58 am »

Robz doesn't seem scummy yet. That never happens. I think O complaining about being likely to be away but able to get to the internet is townie -- contrast with the things faust posted as scum in M113 when he was about to visit me in my own internet-enabled house!
It seems a very strange idea to judge people's alignment by how much time they are willing to spend on mafia during their holidays. Or during away time, I am not sure what exactly O is away for, not that it matters. What I posted in M113 had nothing to do with my alignment whatsoever, and I see no reason why what O posted would.

Maybe it's not a conscious thing, even. I feel like scum would be less likely to be chilled about maybe not being able to get internet, and more likely to hold it in reserve as a just-in-case excuse/reason for lurking, as you seemed to do in M113. As for alignments this game, I'm always more suspicious of you when your logic doesn't quite gel with mine.
And it doesn't right now?
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Re: M115: Okkervil River Mafia (D1 Down the Deep River)
« Reply #138 on: April 04, 2018, 03:10:54 am »

And request prod on Idplay, I figured out that he's also eligible.
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Re: M115: Okkervil River Mafia (D1 Down the Deep River)
« Reply #139 on: April 04, 2018, 07:30:17 am »

Tell me 'bout the greatest show or the greatest movie you know
or the greatest song that you taped from off the radio.
Play it again and again it cuts off at the ending though.

Vote count 1.3

Galzria (2): EFHW, gkrieg13
Robz888 (3): IDontPlayThisGame, 2.71828..., McMcsalot
O (3): Faust, O, DatSwan
2.71828... (1): SpaceAnemone
gkrieg13 (1): Robz888
McMcsalot (1): Galzria
EFHW (1): The_Wine_Merchant

not voting (1): Roadrunner7671

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends Monday, April 9 at 9pm forum time.

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And request prod on Idplay, I figured out that he's also eligible.

Sent. For reference, these are my slightly nonstandard prod rules:
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Igu is town or trying the hardest he ever has as scum.

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Re: M115: Okkervil River Mafia (D1 Down the Deep River)
« Reply #140 on: April 04, 2018, 07:38:20 am »

My new strategy is to prod you all to death until I am the last one standing!
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Re: M115: Okkervil River Mafia (D1 Down the Deep River)
« Reply #141 on: April 04, 2018, 07:48:23 am »

Robz doesn't seem scummy yet. That never happens. I think O complaining about being likely to be away but able to get to the internet is townie -- contrast with the things faust posted as scum in M113 when he was about to visit me in my own internet-enabled house!
It seems a very strange idea to judge people's alignment by how much time they are willing to spend on mafia during their holidays. Or during away time, I am not sure what exactly O is away for, not that it matters. What I posted in M113 had nothing to do with my alignment whatsoever, and I see no reason why what O posted would.

Maybe it's not a conscious thing, even. I feel like scum would be less likely to be chilled about maybe not being able to get internet, and more likely to hold it in reserve as a just-in-case excuse/reason for lurking, as you seemed to do in M113. As for alignments this game, I'm always more suspicious of you when your logic doesn't quite gel with mine.
And it doesn't right now?

Your assertion that worries over game presence are not alignment indicative felt too clearly incorrect to me. I guess that's a case of differing underlying beliefs rather than a difference in logical deduction (which is where I've pinned you down as scum before), so I'll reserve judgement for now.
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Re: M115: Okkervil River Mafia (D1 Down the Deep River)
« Reply #142 on: April 04, 2018, 07:52:36 am »

I shall be extra careful with my deductions then! Maybe.
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Re: M115: Okkervil River Mafia (D1 Down the Deep River)
« Reply #143 on: April 04, 2018, 09:08:04 am »

Am I seriously the leading wagon? Lol I wish I was scum.
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Re: M115: Okkervil River Mafia (D1 Down the Deep River)
« Reply #144 on: April 04, 2018, 09:26:38 am »

Galz its interesting that you claim I am overdefending TWM. First off I have made two posts about it, one simply saying based on my experience with TWM that it was not scummy of him and I don't think it merited a vote. You then explained what you meant by forced and I agreed that while the last two posts were possibly fakely misspelled that still wasn't alignment indicative. That is hardly overdefending simply stating my thought about a pretty small thing you posted. Lets actually go through your posts on the matter.

Your initial post about TWM which was a read followed by a vote, something we typically want everyone to comment on and discuss, not a question to twm which I could maybe see where you would be upset that other people answered for him.
I then disagreed with your read and you felt the need to defend your statement and explain what you meant by forced.
2.7 tells you he disagrees with the read and you again defend yourself saying its not an iron clad case more of a gut read. Which is fine, its early day one, noone is saying you are too confident in your case we are just stating our opinion of the situation.
O questions the situation and insinuates he also think its not scummy, to which for the third time you defend yourself and explain why for twm you think its scummy
In response to your explanation to me about what you meant by forced I stated that I understood what you meant and that even if the last two posts were faked I still didn't think it was alignment indicative. You once again defend yourself stating you know its a weak case but you still think there is reason enough to vote. Which is fine, noone is forcing you to unvote, noone is claiming we find you scummy for making the case in the first place, three people are just stating their opinions about what you said and you won't let it go.


2.718 is townie.

TWM is possibly actually DAMA or is trying too hard. This sequence felt forced:
Why can't it be both? The last two were intentional misspellings because at the time I thought it was funny. My sense of humor gets seriously warped after a couple of drinks.

But I hardly think that is alignment indicative and if anything it is your vote that feels forced.

vote: mcmc

From you, that's fine. That's essentially saying "Yes, the sequence was intentional" - which is all I picked up on (and read "forced"). And you're right - you would do that as either alignment (as I noted). What I wanted and was waiting for, was for you to speak to it yourself - not have others jump to your defense for you.

Mcmc's defense of you by trying to delegitimize my vote feels like an attempt to discredit me - something he would be acutely aware to do if scum after reading (and commenting on) my VT QT in 114.

Finally when TWM defends himself by saying yep the last two posts were faked and that he claims it's not alignment indicative, you agree that he would do it as either alignment and state what you really wanted was for TWM to respond to your vote and not have other people comment on it. Now you come to the conclusion that because I made two posts about it one my read and two a clarification that I knew what you meant by forced and still thought it wasn't scummy you think I was overdefensive and trying to discredit you because I complimented your qt last game.

I am curious how you think I should have reacted as town to you placing a vote for TWM with a reason I disagreed with?
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Re: M115: Okkervil River Mafia (D1 Down the Deep River)
« Reply #145 on: April 04, 2018, 03:29:50 pm »

A lull in the action! Probably means faust is scum. Vote: faust
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Re: M115: Okkervil River Mafia (D1 Down the Deep River)
« Reply #146 on: April 04, 2018, 04:21:55 pm »

mcmc, you're pretty critical of Galzria. Why aren't you voting for him?
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Re: M115: Okkervil River Mafia (D1 Down the Deep River)
« Reply #147 on: April 04, 2018, 04:24:26 pm »

I shall be extra careful with my deductions then! Maybe.

faust seems cheerier than usual. Goid vacation?
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Re: M115: Okkervil River Mafia (D1 Down the Deep River)
« Reply #148 on: April 04, 2018, 04:25:44 pm »

mcmc, you're pretty critical of Galzria. Why aren't you voting for him?

Because they are both scum.
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Re: M115: Okkervil River Mafia (D1 Down the Deep River)
« Reply #149 on: April 04, 2018, 04:29:53 pm »

mcmc, you're pretty critical of Galzria. Why aren't you voting for him?

Because they are both scum.

And yet you're voting for faust because:
A lull in the action! Probably means faust is scum. Vote: faust
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