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Dominion prize rankings
« on: February 18, 2018, 10:44:50 pm »
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5 diadem
4 bag of gold
3 princess
2 trusty steed
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Re: Dominion prize rankings
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2018, 03:35:42 am »
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You should swap Princess and Followers from that list.
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Re: Dominion prize rankings
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2018, 06:26:40 am »
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Trusty Steed isn't usually the best Prize, but it is usually the one I get first when I can.
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Re: Dominion prize rankings
« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2018, 09:21:31 am »
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You should swap Princess and Followers from that list.


Why do you think princess is better than follower
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Re: Dominion prize rankings
« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2018, 09:36:38 am »
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You should swap Princess and Followers from that list.


Why do you think princess is better than follower

If you're the only one with access to +buy, you're very likely to win. If you're the only one with access to cost reduction in a kingdom with plenty of +buy available, you're very likely to win. At least one of those statements is almost always true when you get Princess, which is to say that you're very likely to win if you get Princess.

Followers is not that game-deciding. It's just a weaker version of Margrave that hands out junk cards to both players.
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Re: Dominion prize rankings
« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2018, 09:42:46 am »
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You should swap Princess and Followers from that list.


Why do you think princess is better than follower

If you're the only one with access to +buy, you're very likely to win. If you're the only one with access to cost reduction in a kingdom with plenty of +buy available, you're very likely to win. At least one of those statements is almost always true when you get Princess, which is to say that you're very likely to win if you get Princess.

Followers is not that game-deciding. It's just a weaker version of Margrave that hands out junk cards to both players.

I know, but you draw two cards which can be very good and then you get that estate which gets you a point ( which would be better if you had inheritance ) then they get a curse which gets a junk card in their hand and loses them a victory point then they have to discard down to three which can be very painful, what else could you ask for
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Re: Dominion prize rankings
« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2018, 09:48:58 am »
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Wouldn't you know it, your ranking of the prizes matches with the overall community consensus for 2017:
http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=18166.0

Check out the stickied post about the Dominion Cards List 2017 for context:
http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=18004.0

That isn't to say there are no differing opinions about the prizes.

Edit: oh you Had Diadem in last instead of Bag of Gold. It was a still a close margin this year for those two prizes.
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Re: Dominion prize rankings
« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2018, 10:04:35 am »
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You should swap Princess and Followers from that list.


Why do you think princess is better than follower

If you're the only one with access to +buy, you're very likely to win. If you're the only one with access to cost reduction in a kingdom with plenty of +buy available, you're very likely to win. At least one of those statements is almost always true when you get Princess, which is to say that you're very likely to win if you get Princess.

Followers is not that game-deciding. It's just a weaker version of Margrave that hands out junk cards to both players.

I know, but you draw two cards which can be very good and then you get that estate which gets you a point ( which would be better if you had inheritance ) then they get a curse which gets a junk card in their hand and loses them a victory point then they have to discard down to three which can be very painful, what else could you ask for
You could ask for +buy or cost reduction.
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Since the number of points is within a constant factor of the number of city quarters, in the long run we can get (4 - ε) ↑↑ n points in n turns for any ε > 0.

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Re: Dominion prize rankings
« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2018, 10:24:37 am »
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You should swap Princess and Followers from that list.


Why do you think princess is better than follower

If you're the only one with access to +buy, you're very likely to win. If you're the only one with access to cost reduction in a kingdom with plenty of +buy available, you're very likely to win. At least one of those statements is almost always true when you get Princess, which is to say that you're very likely to win if you get Princess.

Followers is not that game-deciding. It's just a weaker version of Margrave that hands out junk cards to both players.

I know, but you draw two cards which can be very good and then you get that estate which gets you a point ( which would be better if you had inheritance ) then they get a curse which gets a junk card in their hand and loses them a victory point then they have to discard down to three which can be very painful, what else could you ask for
You could ask for +buy or cost reduction.

True but follower is really good with cards that favor estates like pasture, baron and inheritance
Princess doesn't have very many combos that I can think of right off the top of my head
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Re: Dominion prize rankings
« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2018, 10:35:14 am »
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Wouldn't you know it, your ranking of the prizes matches with the overall community consensus for 2017:
http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=18166.0

Check out the stickied post about the Dominion Cards List 2017 for context:
http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=18004.0

That isn't to say there are no differing opinions about the prizes.

Edit: oh you Had Diadem in last instead of Bag of Gold. It was a still a close margin this year for those two prizes.

I rank the cards on Qvist so part of that is my vote
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Re: Dominion prize rankings
« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2018, 10:37:20 am »
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You should swap Princess and Followers from that list.


Why do you think princess is better than follower

If you're the only one with access to +buy, you're very likely to win. If you're the only one with access to cost reduction in a kingdom with plenty of +buy available, you're very likely to win. At least one of those statements is almost always true when you get Princess, which is to say that you're very likely to win if you get Princess.

Followers is not that game-deciding. It's just a weaker version of Margrave that hands out junk cards to both players.

I know, but you draw two cards which can be very good and then you get that estate which gets you a point ( which would be better if you had inheritance ) then they get a curse which gets a junk card in their hand and loses them a victory point then they have to discard down to three which can be very painful, what else could you ask for
You could ask for +buy or cost reduction.

True but follower is really good with cards that favor estates like pasture, baron and inheritance
Princess doesn't have very many combos that I can think of right off the top of my head

Princess combos:

Workshop, Festival, Market, Artisan, Pawn, Baron, Bridge, Ironworks, Coutrier...

These are just from Base and Intrigue.
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Re: Dominion prize rankings
« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2018, 10:45:49 am »
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Princess does have one pretty significant combo which is always present: itself.
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Re: Dominion prize rankings
« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2018, 11:00:03 am »
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You should swap Princess and Followers from that list.



Why do you think princess is better than follower

If you're the only one with access to +buy, you're very likely to win. If you're the only one with access to cost reduction in a kingdom with plenty of +buy available, you're very likely to win. At least one of those statements is almost always true when you get Princess, which is to say that you're very likely to win if you get Princess.

Followers is not that game-deciding. It's just a weaker version of Margrave that hands out junk cards to both players.

I know, but you draw two cards which can be very good and then you get that estate which gets you a point ( which would be better if you had inheritance ) then they get a curse which gets a junk card in their hand and loses them a victory point then they have to discard down to three which can be very painful, what else could you ask for
You could ask for +buy or cost reduction.

True but follower is really good with cards that favor estates like pasture, baron and inheritance
Princess doesn't have very many combos that I can think of right off the top of my head

Princess combos:

Workshop, Festival, Market, Artisan, Pawn, Baron, Bridge, Ironworks, Coutrier...

These are just from Base and Intrigue.

Workshop, Artisan and Ironwork I understand, but can you explain why the other ones go well with princess?
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Re: Dominion prize rankings
« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2018, 11:01:58 am »
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Because they have +buy, and every card with +buy is much better with Princess as you get more bang for your buck.
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Re: Dominion prize rankings
« Reply #14 on: February 19, 2018, 11:04:15 am »
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Princess does have one pretty significant combo which is always present: itself.

There is only one princess, so you can't play two princesses in one turn unless you have something like throne room.
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Re: Dominion prize rankings
« Reply #15 on: February 19, 2018, 11:07:05 am »
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Because they have +buy, and every card with +buy is much better with Princess as you get more bang for your buck.

That's true. I never thought of it that way, but I still am keeping my original ranking. If princess made cards cost three less, then I would have to say that princess is the best one.
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Re: Dominion prize rankings
« Reply #16 on: February 19, 2018, 01:23:44 pm »
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How would you rate them
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Re: Dominion prize rankings
« Reply #17 on: February 19, 2018, 09:35:15 pm »
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I know that princess is winning the poll right now. But I hope that follower takes the lead. We will just have to see.
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