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#### sudgy

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##### Re: Letting a computer design Dominion cards: recurrent neural network edition
« Reply #75 on: February 06, 2018, 01:17:17 pm »
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Okay, fine then, replace it with a d10.  I just said what Dingan said.
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##### Re: Letting a computer design Dominion cards: recurrent neural network edition
« Reply #76 on: February 06, 2018, 01:25:51 pm »
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Echip
Action–Duration|\$2
+e Cards.
+1 Action.

Strictly better than Laboratory

But requires you to destroy some cards *and* make good estimates of what 0.718 of a card is.

Toss up your thousand Echip tokens. If 718 or more of them landed heads-up, draw a card.

Yeah, as others also pointed out, that’s not even 2.718 cards, more like 2.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000923322 cards. (It’s very unlikely that 218 out of 1000 more fair coins than expected come up heads.)

Here’s something elegant you could actually do with expected number of cards drawn of e: Keep picking uniformly random numbers between 0 and 1 until their sum exceeds 1. Draw a card for each number that takes.

You could even approximate this by spinning an object (e.g. a pen or bottle) on the table and tracing the places where it stops around in clockwise order. When those make a complete loop, stop and draw a number of cards equal to the number of spins it took.

(Proof: The probability that k numbers is not enough is the volume of the region in the first orthant of k-dimensional space such that x1 + x2 + ... + xk < 1. You can either do the integral by induction or notice that the partial sums x1 + ... + xi are also distributed uniformly and independently mod 1, and all of them are less than 1 if and only if mod 1 they are in increasing order, which happens with probability 1/k!. Then you sum this from 0 to infinity, getting e.)
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#### Dingan

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##### Re: Letting a computer design Dominion cards: recurrent neural network edition
« Reply #77 on: February 06, 2018, 01:46:06 pm »
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It takes a big man to admin when he's wrong. Which I will not do, and instead ask: How can Echips be designed such that I wasn't wrong? I mean, there's gotta be a reason they're Echips and not just normal coins.
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##### Re: Letting a computer design Dominion cards: recurrent neural network edition
« Reply #78 on: February 06, 2018, 02:13:59 pm »
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It takes a big man to admin when he's wrong. Which I will not do, and instead ask: How can Echips be designed such that I wasn't wrong? I mean, there's gotta be a reason they're Echips and not just normal coins.

They could be biased coins with p(heads) ~= 0.72563.
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##### Re: Letting a computer design Dominion cards: recurrent neural network edition
« Reply #79 on: February 07, 2018, 04:53:07 pm »
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Hey, today's e day: 2.7.18.
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##### Re: Letting a computer design Dominion cards: recurrent neural network edition
« Reply #80 on: February 07, 2018, 06:13:57 pm »
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Hey, today's e day: 2.7.18.

But 2.7.18 was like 2016 years ago.
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##### Re: Letting a computer design Dominion cards: recurrent neural network edition
« Reply #81 on: February 07, 2018, 06:21:07 pm »
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Hey, today's e day: 2.7.18.

But 2.7.18 was like 2016 years ago.

I must say, of all the date format options out there, the one used by Americans makes the least sense.

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##### Re: Letting a computer design Dominion cards: recurrent neural network edition
« Reply #82 on: February 07, 2018, 07:06:54 pm »
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Hey, today's e day: 2.7.18.

But 2.7.18 was like 2016 years ago.

I must say, of all the date format options out there, the one used by Americans makes the least sense.

It matches how the date is spoken:
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`February 7th, 2018...2.....7......18`
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##### Re: Letting a computer design Dominion cards: recurrent neural network edition
« Reply #83 on: February 07, 2018, 07:11:25 pm »
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Hey, today's e day: 2.7.18.

But 2.7.18 was like 2016 years ago.

I must say, of all the date format options out there, the one used by Americans makes the least sense.

It matches how the date is spoken:
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`February 7th, 2018...2.....7......18`

Right, speaking dates like that makes just as little sense. Now I wonder how they're spoken in other languages and English-speaking cultures.
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##### Re: Letting a computer design Dominion cards: recurrent neural network edition
« Reply #84 on: February 07, 2018, 07:12:54 pm »
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Hey, today's e day: 2.7.18.

But 2.7.18 was like 2016 years ago.

I must say, of all the date format options out there, the one used by Americans makes the least sense.

It matches how the date is spoken:
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`February 7th, 2018...2.....7......18`

Where I live we usually say 7th February, 2018. I think people just say it the way they write it down.
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##### Re: Letting a computer design Dominion cards: recurrent neural network edition
« Reply #85 on: February 08, 2018, 12:46:22 am »
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How does Black score?   Boons don't go into anyone's decks, or do you keep track how many have been received?
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##### Re: Letting a computer design Dominion cards: recurrent neural network edition
« Reply #86 on: February 08, 2018, 03:14:08 am »
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How does Black score?   Boons don't go into anyone's decks, or do you keep track how many have been received?

It just says "per Boon".  Not "per Boons you have in your deck" or "per Boons received", just "per Boon".  That means that it's either worth 0 points if Boons aren't around, or 24 points if Boons are out.
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##### Re: Letting a computer design Dominion cards: recurrent neural network edition
« Reply #87 on: February 08, 2018, 03:22:54 am »
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Hey, today's e day: 2.7.18.

But 2.7.18 was like 2016 years ago.

I must say, of all the date format options out there, the one used by Americans makes the least sense.

It matches how the date is spoken:
Code: [Select]
`February 7th, 2018...2.....7......18`

Right, speaking dates like that makes just as little sense. Now I wonder how they're spoken in other languages and English-speaking cultures.

Some dated method, which I like for its lack of ambiguity, is 7. II. 2018. Month as Roman numeral, year as four-digit.
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##### Re: Letting a computer design Dominion cards: recurrent neural network edition
« Reply #88 on: February 08, 2018, 07:14:38 am »
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YYYY-MM-DD is objectively the best though. It has all the advantages: it's not ambiguous, and it gets sorted in the correct order when sorted alphabetically.
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##### Re: Letting a computer design Dominion cards: recurrent neural network edition
« Reply #89 on: February 08, 2018, 09:41:15 am »
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YYYY-MM-DD is objectively the best though. It has all the advantages: it's not ambiguous, and it gets sorted in the correct order when sorted alphabetically.

This is true. So annoying when my digital camera downloads pictures, groups them into folder by date, but then at the turn of the new year all my folders are sorted incorrectly because it automatically used MM-DD-YYYY to name the folders.
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##### Re: Letting a computer design Dominion cards: recurrent neural network edition
« Reply #90 on: February 08, 2018, 09:48:10 am »
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Hey, today's e day: 2.7.18.

Q: How does one celebrate e Day, anyway?
A: By calculating logarithms, naturally.
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##### Re: Letting a computer design Dominion cards: recurrent neural network edition
« Reply #91 on: February 08, 2018, 11:07:11 am »
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Hey, today's e day: 2.7.18.

But 2.7.18 was like 2016 years ago.

I must say, of all the date format options out there, the one used by Americans makes the least sense.

YYYY-DD-MM is worse. It combines the worst aspects of MM-DD-(YYYY) and DD-MM-(YYYY). I've run across a thing that uses it and I just don't get it at all.
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##### Re: Letting a computer design Dominion cards: recurrent neural network edition
« Reply #92 on: February 08, 2018, 11:28:40 am »
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YYYY-MM-DD is objectively the best though. It has all the advantages: it's not ambiguous, and it gets sorted in the correct order when sorted alphabetically.

It's great for things that happened 2 or more years ago, but it's bad for things that are happening next week
You are put the most important information last when it comes to things happening soon.

For anything that will be saved for posterity, and checked later, it's clearly the best, but no one is going to say this today: "can we have a game night 2018-02-17?"
In that case, the year is just noise.
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##### Re: Letting a computer design Dominion cards: recurrent neural network edition
« Reply #93 on: February 08, 2018, 11:44:33 am »
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For anything that will be saved for posterity, and checked later, it's clearly the best, but no one is going to say this today: "can we have a game night 2018-02-17?"
In that case, the year is just noise.

No, but you wouldn't say "02-17-2018" or "17-02-2018" either, you would just say Saturday 17th.
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##### Re: Letting a computer design Dominion cards: recurrent neural network edition
« Reply #94 on: February 08, 2018, 11:56:12 am »
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YYYY-MM-DD is objectively the best though. It has all the advantages: it's not ambiguous, and it gets sorted in the correct order when sorted alphabetically.

This is true. So annoying when my digital camera downloads pictures, groups them into folder by date, but then at the turn of the new year all my folders are sorted incorrectly because it automatically used MM-DD-YYYY to name the folders.

True story, at one point I was looking, on my university's course management system, for a file I had uploaded some time ago. So I tried to sort the display by date-of-upload and look for it that way. The resulting list was alphabetized by date of upload—April 2015, December 2013, June 2014, May 2016, etc.…
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##### Re: Let's all argue about date formats!
« Reply #95 on: February 08, 2018, 12:57:30 pm »
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i was just here for the hilarious dominion cards and now its a debate on ai can we go back to funny cards plz

*sigh*
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##### Re: Letting a computer design Dominion cards: recurrent neural network edition
« Reply #96 on: February 08, 2018, 01:02:13 pm »
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i was just here for the hilarious dominion cards and now its a debate on ai can we go back to funny cards plz

*sigh*

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##### Re: Letting a computer design Dominion cards: recurrent neural network edition
« Reply #97 on: February 11, 2018, 06:23:02 am »
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Could it generate following card?

Picard:
action - 4\$

Toss attached needle to attached sheet until needle crosses a line. Draw a card for each toss that didn't cross line.
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