Continued mcmc reread. Not going in as much detail as I am worried I may be too slow otherwise.
So here is the thing about a scum!Faust
First of all, scum!Faust would defend town!Iguana as town, and stick to his read there. He'd see it as something he would do as town, and therefore do it even more stringently than he would as town. So Faust defending me does not give him town points. He's made a point of IC-ing me as scum before, even, in Rewind Mafia.
But here's the thing.
If Faust is scum, then he's being bossy in the scum!QT, and depending on his partners, his partners may just be like "Yeah, Faust, you do whatever and that's fine." So regardless, if he's scum he's going to have a lot of control of the kill.
So would have Faust chosen to kill Galzria?
Scum!Faust knows that he tunneled town!Galzria and town!Clemens yesterday. Why does he choose to kill Galzria and make himself look bad? Maybe just because he believes he can survive the scrutiny? Maybe he tunneled Galzria because he saw an opportunity to do so and he knows that town!Galz is a threat to him, and then at night he went for the kill because the lynch didn't work out for him? This assumes that scum!Faust's #1 priority in this game is getting Galzria dead. But actually in my experience of several games on scum!Faust's team, he usually doesn't have those kinds of priorities or worry too much about his opponents.
So then there's the other possibility: someone saw the opportunity to set up Faust.
If Faust is town, scum probably noticed that he spent all day tunneling town. Then they can notice also that if they kill Galzria, it would make Faust look bad and expose that he tunneled two towns. And they get to off a strong town player at the same time.
So this logic actually explains the Galzria kill much better, and it points to the person who had immediately had a thorough case on Faust at the start of the day.
TLDR: If Faust is town, it points to scum!PPS, and possibly also a scum!Space partner.
So I guess I'll try this out and let's see what other people think:
Vote: PPS
This is an insanely smart post. No way scum!faust kills Galz. Obviously my conspiracy theorist brain wants to believe when both my scum reads turn up with a town pr/result and the two wagons I didn't like turned out to be town its all a scum ploy but it really does fit better than scum!faust. I could see a scum Lalight/Twm/Robz team doing this kill/push which does still allow the pps/space result to be true though.
This post is important, not only because it has an argument for town!me, but also because I find it hard to believe that scum!mcmc reacts this way when iguana exposes their framing plan.
Question: is it Datswan and Galz who're good friends IRL? Could that incentivise one of them to want to take the other out, if they're on opposite factions? And if so, would killing Galz be a good move for scum to frame Swan a bit, under the assumption that one of us will point that out eventually?
I do think scum!datswan is likely to want to kill town!galz
On the other hand, he plants this seed.
I missed datswan definitely could be scum. so I guess.
Scummy: Datswan, lalight, robz
case but pr ugh: PPS, space, twm
town reads: fausty, teproc, iguana(traitor?)
def town: cuzz
Less than stellar reads.
Datswan Case
This is a really good case.
I'm a sheepy sheep.
vote: lalight
D3 starts with this. Uh man this looks like a set up for a mislynch.
Some stuff that I will redact until mcmc has claimed.
Making a bigger post and noticed this.
The vote counts and my memory make PPS and LL look scummiest. The kills seem to indicate that scum has a way to find PRs.
I want to know if Faust still thinks that TAM is scummy.
Gonna go with PPS. I think we get better information from his flip than from LL flip. I am totally totally ok with going for LL too though. There's 3 scum out there, super unlikely both of them are town.
Vote: PPS
what do you think we get from PPS's flip? he only town confirmed space. You are jumping to the only thing we could get is he has a result from last night he would tell us then we would lynch him to confirm the result? If it was a helpful result i'm gonna go ahead and guess he would have claimed. PPS is not an informative lynch more than his alignment really.
Gotta say I don't like that thing that mcmc has going on with PPS where he finds him scummy but always finds an excuse to not be voting for him.
PPS voters (reason for)
Day 1: cuzz(rvs), space(rvs), mcmc(case), robz(sheep), cuzz(scummy pps post): 3
Day 2: iguana(post claim case), faust(scummy pps post), datswan(omgus): 3
Day 3: faust(deaths?), ghacob(sheep), iguana(wagon case), cuzz(scummy pps post): 4
So Day one I pushed a pps case very hard, we had it turns out two other wagons on town so there was no need or reason for scum to join my wagon over the others aside from the fact that I was the one pushing the case. However since then, PPS claimed cop and now has gotten up to l-1 at a point. I guess this didn't tell me as much as I wanted, it does make faust and iguana feel scummier to me ugh but they were the lalight pushers which makes them townier.
I think i'm at:
Lalight>>>TWM>>Robs>faust/iguana/pps/cuzz>ghavob
Hrumph and suddenly he doesn't find PPS scummy anymore. I don't quite see what changed his mind.
Cause it's like, either Faust is scum, and he shot scummy Galz because he thought he needed to shoot a strong player to justify being alive D2, and then he shot Space because he wanted to frame PPS and he knew he would have to kill Space after town!PPS flipped an investigative role. So in a world where PPS is town, Faust is probably scum because he's still alive.
But in the world where Faust is town, probably PPS is scum trying to frame the dude.
Why are people so convinced that faust has to be part of some sort of framing plan being with the nightkils.
Galz is a super strong townie, Space was confirmed town by cop, aren't the reasons they died just obvious and have nothing specific to do with faust.
Now that is in direct opposition to what he said earlier and definitely sound more like the thing scum!mcmc would be saying. Dropped your mask there?
Ghacob has 13 posts. Why is he being townread by others?
Part of a longer post that probably says "Ghacob is not my partner".
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