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Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 2)
« Reply #575 on: February 20, 2018, 12:40:15 pm »

I think there were definitely scum on the wagon.
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Why did you hammer?
Did I?

I didn't. Galz did.

Hammertime

I was L-1. And if you are asking why I was L-1. It is because at that point there was no other possible wagon that could be obtained given the time we had and the number of people that were online. It was me, space and Robz. Then iguana came and put it at L-2 and left.
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Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 2)
« Reply #576 on: February 20, 2018, 12:41:40 pm »

You're asking entirely the wrong questions, anyhow.

No, you just enjoy being cryptic. I am taking this as a claim of "investigative PR with town result on Space", and will assume you're scum if you try to walk it back later on.

The cryptic part is where I refuse to actually tell you my role. Figured I'd go ahead and toss that out there before you ask the wrong question again.

Do you think it is worthwhile to assess the wagon on Space like you did on Galz then?

I intend to.
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Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 2)
« Reply #577 on: February 20, 2018, 12:42:38 pm »

If others had come online (I know Saturdays are hard, I was a bit on and off with other Saturday stuff) I think we could have moved to another wagon. But given the lack of others around and the need to get a lynch through (Clemens was a decent wagon and at least provided the info you are now using) it was necessary to have my vote be there to ensure a lynch. I wasn't sure how much longer I would be around or whether Robz would be back or anyone else to hammer.

Galz did, but that was surprising given he hadn't been around for 2+ days at that point.
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Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 2)
« Reply #578 on: February 20, 2018, 12:43:11 pm »

I think there were definitely scum on the wagon.
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Why did you hammer?
Did I?

I didn't. Galz did.

Hammertime

I was L-1. And if you are asking why I was L-1. It is because at that point there was no other possible wagon that could be obtained given the time we had and the number of people that were online. It was me, space and Robz. Then iguana came and put it at L-2 and left.

Okay, but how did you actually feel about Clemens' likelihood of flipping town/scum?
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Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 2)
« Reply #579 on: February 20, 2018, 12:51:37 pm »

My thoughts on Clemens:

Pretty meh on the clement votes. Classic "he is scummy for not saying anything" followed by "he said something, it is scummy!"

Unfortunately I see town doing that far too often out of over reading perceived scum traits.

I am not sold on the Clemens argument. I think they are fine for Day 1, but don't see the assurity that Cuzz is proclaiming. So while i don't fault voting there, I am guessing he will turn out to be flailing town over gambit scum

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Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 2)
« Reply #580 on: February 20, 2018, 01:10:58 pm »

My thoughts on Clemens:

Pretty meh on the clement votes. Classic "he is scummy for not saying anything" followed by "he said something, it is scummy!"

Unfortunately I see town doing that far too often out of over reading perceived scum traits.

I am not sold on the Clemens argument. I think they are fine for Day 1, but don't see the assurity that Cuzz is proclaiming. So while i don't fault voting there, I am guessing he will turn out to be flailing town over gambit scum

Right, so focusing on the early wagon proponents makes the most sense.
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Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 2)
« Reply #581 on: February 20, 2018, 01:18:34 pm »

My thoughts on Clemens:

Pretty meh on the clement votes. Classic "he is scummy for not saying anything" followed by "he said something, it is scummy!"

Unfortunately I see town doing that far too often out of over reading perceived scum traits.

I am not sold on the Clemens argument. I think they are fine for Day 1, but don't see the assurity that Cuzz is proclaiming. So while i don't fault voting there, I am guessing he will turn out to be flailing town over gambit scum

Right, so focusing on the early wagon proponents makes the most sense.
Well from my perspective that is already relevant given my alignment and Galz flipping town.

However, I am still not sure about iguana. (late enough that he probably wouldn't be considered early). If he, as scum jumped on and saw mine and Space's discussion, his vote certainly helped ensure that we wouldn't be very able to go elsewhere

When he voted the vote count looked like this:

Galzria (2): pingpongsam, SirClemens
Robz (1): SpaceAnemone
Sir Clemons (5): faust, DatSwan, Cuzz, LaLight, iguana
LaLight (2): Teproc
SpaceAnemone (2): mcmcsalot, Robz888

not voting (2): Galzria, TWM

But then again, his vote is very much the same as mine (and LaLight's) where it was voting out of necessity to get ensure a lynch. LaLight even more so as he was probably the best alternate lynch. (conspiracy theory is iguana and lalight as partners, but that seems far fetched) So yes. I would agree that the players I really want to look at are faust, Datswan and Cuzz. Which, you already pointed out and is probably obvious, but this is apparently how I have to work through things.
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Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 1)
« Reply #582 on: February 20, 2018, 01:32:51 pm »

If he's telling the truth about his upcoming flip, TWM and Galz look a bit scummy.
And given PPS's and my sheeping assessment I am curious why iguana thought this specifically?
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Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 1)
« Reply #583 on: February 20, 2018, 03:59:27 pm »

Who do yall scumread? I can switch for the next 10 min if yall convince me it's good.

I said this, indicating I was ready and wanted to try for a last minute switch. You followed by saying 'we aren't lynching amyome else' and putting Clement to L-1. Scummy.
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Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 2)
« Reply #584 on: February 20, 2018, 04:02:01 pm »

BS that 'I put it to L-2 and left'

Vote: TWM
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Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 1)
« Reply #585 on: February 20, 2018, 04:06:13 pm »

Who do yall scumread? I can switch for the next 10 min if yall convince me it's good.

I said this, indicating I was ready and wanted to try for a last minute switch. You followed by saying 'we aren't lynching amyome else' and putting Clement to L-1. Scummy.
You are right. You didn't disappear.

But do you really think we could have lynched someone else? You (for 10 minutes?) and Space and me (for who knows how long?) and maybe Robz were the only ones around.

What is more scummy, preventing any lynch from occurring (that could have been on scum) or not trying to get another lynch going that might not have happened anyways?

vote: iguana

I think you should still claim, FYI.
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Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 2)
« Reply #586 on: February 20, 2018, 04:07:07 pm »

BS that 'I put it to L-2 and left'

Vote: TWM
Like I said below. I was wrong about that. I mixed you up with LaLight. Sorry for having a faulty memory.
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Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 2)
« Reply #587 on: February 20, 2018, 04:15:46 pm »

Good luck with your bad case on a town player
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Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 2)
« Reply #588 on: February 20, 2018, 04:19:25 pm »

Good luck with your bad case on a town player
And your is soooo stellar?
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Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 2)
« Reply #589 on: February 20, 2018, 04:23:40 pm »

And you still aren't going to claim?

We already have a 2-shot watcher (Galz) and whatever PPS apparently is (if town). Add you in and the PRs are already starting to get a bit crowded.
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Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 2)
« Reply #590 on: February 20, 2018, 04:24:06 pm »

And you didn't die last night.  :o :o :o :o
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Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 2)
« Reply #591 on: February 20, 2018, 04:26:42 pm »

and back to vote: faust as this is unfortunately me being reactionary once again :)
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Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 2)
« Reply #592 on: February 20, 2018, 04:28:50 pm »

I will claim at mass claim. Prolly we should do that D3 or later.

I never get killed at night :/ It is what it is, no one is afraid to have me in the game.
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Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 2)
« Reply #593 on: February 20, 2018, 04:30:03 pm »

I like Vote: Faust too. Twm defended himself pretty well I think.
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Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 2)
« Reply #594 on: February 20, 2018, 04:31:11 pm »

I will claim at mass claim. Prolly we should do that D3 or later.
I question why you brought up the possibility of claiming originally then. Obviously you shouldn't claim just because I say so, but you seemed so willing before and not so much now.

Makes me even more think that it was just a gambit to get you past Day 2 or 3, which I think you have a tendency to not live past on occasion. But that might just be me being overly suspicious.

PPE: Look at us de-escalating the situation and finding common ground!
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Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 2)
« Reply #595 on: February 20, 2018, 04:34:41 pm »

Well I thought about saying a thing and then DatSwan talked me out of it like right away. I did it for reactions and to prove I was town to the people who know I don't do that kind of thing as scum. Which is like everyone but you and Cuzz. And for other secret top secret reasons.
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Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 2)
« Reply #596 on: February 20, 2018, 04:47:52 pm »

I was town to the people who know I don't do that kind of thing as scum. Which is like everyone but you and Cuzz.

I don't know that.
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Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 2)
« Reply #597 on: February 20, 2018, 05:05:49 pm »

I was town to the people who know I don't do that kind of thing as scum. Which is like everyone but you and Cuzz.

I don't know that.

You should!
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Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 2)
« Reply #598 on: February 20, 2018, 05:07:01 pm »

Actually I am crossing my fingers that we are both town this game for the first time ever!
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Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 2)
« Reply #599 on: February 20, 2018, 05:16:53 pm »

I was town to the people who know I don't do that kind of thing as scum. Which is like everyone but you and Cuzz.

I don't know that.

I definitely don't know it either but my gut still tells me ii is probtown.

faust wagon took off right quick. he's worth a full reread

don't know what to think of the pps thing. was real real scummy D1 and cryptically claims to confirm Space as town without a real claim to go with it.

TWM seeming basically like town TWM but I don't think i've seen scum TWM so maybe he just seems like TWM

Robz flying way under the radar all game is perhaps most suspicious to me. Teproc seemed townish D1 but has also been kind of in the "just active enough" zone that he definitely could be scum

I think pps should fullclaim. If he is town, then scum already has enough info to want to off him soon and I don't see how it helps us to keep being cagey about it.
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