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[The_Wine_Merchant]

I feel like faust is scum here.

Sure

vote: faust

[Teproc]

You're asking entirely the wrong questions, anyhow.

No, you just enjoy being cryptic. I am taking this as a claim of "investigative PR with town result on Space", and will assume you're scum if you try to walk it back later on.

[pingpongsam]

You're asking entirely the wrong questions, anyhow.

No, you just enjoy being cryptic. I am taking this as a claim of "investigative PR with town result on Space", and will assume you're scum if you try to walk it back later on.

The question should have read, "why did you target space"? Instead, it's the usual kill the obvious good guy for using his role to help town identify the other good guys that always happens for inscrutable reasons especially since it is always town that leads the crusade.

[pingpongsam]

You're asking entirely the wrong questions, anyhow.

No, you just enjoy being cryptic. I am taking this as a claim of "investigative PR with town result on Space", and will assume you're scum if you try to walk it back later on.

The cryptic part is where I refuse to actually tell you my role. Figured I'd go ahead and toss that out there before you ask the wrong question again.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

You're asking entirely the wrong questions, anyhow.

No, you just enjoy being cryptic. I am taking this as a claim of "investigative PR with town result on Space", and will assume you're scum if you try to walk it back later on.

The cryptic part is where I refuse to actually tell you my role. Figured I'd go ahead and toss that out there before you ask the wrong question again.

Do you think it is worthwhile to assess the wagon on Space like you did on Galz then?

[Teproc]

You're asking entirely the wrong questions, anyhow.

No, you just enjoy being cryptic. I am taking this as a claim of "investigative PR with town result on Space", and will assume you're scum if you try to walk it back later on.

The question should have read, "why did you target space"? Instead, it's the usual kill the obvious good guy for using his role to help town identify the other good guys that always happens for inscrutable reasons especially since it is always town that leads the crusade.

Wait, what ? I was looking for clarification, stop with the useless paranoia.

[Robz888]

Galz is indeed a strange kill. I sort of think faust is scum, given that he didn't die.

[faust]

Galz is indeed a strange kill. I sort of think faust is scum, given that he didn't die.

Here we go again!

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Galz is indeed a strange kill. I sort of think faust is scum, given that he didn't die.

Here we go again!

Let's be clear here though. No one currently voting for you is voting for you because of this reason, so don't try and spin it this way. Not saying you currently are, but that you might, and shouldn't, in the future unless someone actually uses that as a reason to vote for you.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

And I do agree that in isolation it is a crappy reason to vote, or even suspect someone.

[faust]

Noting that I was wrong again, Galz. I'll try to do better next time.

What's the Cuzz thing ?

It isn't an option today, but I will be voting for Cuzz tomorrow.

Not that that explains anything.

[iguanaiguana]

The PPS case is pretty good. Faust,  how do you plead?

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Noting that I was wrong again, Galz. I'll try to do better next time.

What's the Cuzz thing ?

It isn't an option today, but I will be voting for Cuzz tomorrow.

Not that that explains anything.

It does if you go back and read my posts about Cuzz further. Don't really want to go dig them up just for curiosity's sake though as I currently think the vote is better spent on you. But will pull them up if you really think I need to.

[faust]

Looks highly likely at least 1 scum, likely 2, and possibly all 3 were on Clemens yesterday.

Why?

[pingpongsam]

Looks highly likely at least 1 scum, likely 2, and possibly all 3 were on Clemens yesterday.

Why?

Teproc, Robz, and mcmc are the only possibilities for off wagon scum. I find it highly unlikely all 3 were off wagon, unlikely that 2 were off wagon, and possible that non were off wagon.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

So PPS I'll bite:

Why did you pick space for whatever it is you did to find out space's alignment?

[faust]

Let's look at PPS. First I want to say that looking at the Galzria wagon is a useful thing to do and I should look into that later. But somehow I seem to need to defend myself first.

faust (instigated the clemens wagon) - sheeps Teproc/TWM... does faust sheep, ever? uses Galz' words about people not reading him against him (scummiest vote so far)

The implied subtext here is that since I sheep and never do that, I must be scum? Which unfortunately is not how scumtells work. If I never do it (and I agree that I don't like sheeping), then I have no reason to replicate it as scum and thus it is actually a townie thing for me to do. I don't know what the second point is supposed to mean and have to look up what I posted... Oh I suppose it is referring to this post:

Oops. Vote: Galzria

That the only defense he brings up is "oh this guy can't read me anyway" doesn't help.

I don't know what the problem with that post is.

Also, right about here faust decides to switch to Sirclemens for wanting to join a popular wagon. If Galz hadn't flipped town already I'd see this as bus reversal tactic. But maybe faust is just looking to drum up some lynch wagons, I dunno. Seems odd for the sheep to cast stones at the sheep.

Here is at best a misunderstanding and at worst a misrepresentation of my Clemens case. I wasn't voting him for joining the Galzria wagon, I was for him scumreading all the exact people who currently had votes on them.

I don't really see any valid reasoning here beyond "faust was on Galzria and Clemens". I mean obviously it wasn't great that I was voting for two townies, but I tend to vote for a lot of people and some of them will inevitably happen to be townies.

[faust]

Looks highly likely at least 1 scum, likely 2, and possibly all 3 were on Clemens yesterday.

Why?

Teproc, Robz, and mcmc are the only possibilities for off wagon scum. I find it highly unlikely all 3 were off wagon, unlikely that 2 were off wagon, and possible that non were off wagon.

So it's true because it's true?

[faust]

The PPS case is pretty good. Faust,  how do you plead?

See above, I plead not guilty and I also plead bad case.

[pingpongsam]

Looks highly likely at least 1 scum, likely 2, and possibly all 3 were on Clemens yesterday.

Why?

Teproc, Robz, and mcmc are the only possibilities for off wagon scum. I find it highly unlikely all 3 were off wagon, unlikely that 2 were off wagon, and possible that non were off wagon.

So it's true because it's true?

Yes, I can only speak for my perspective but I am the unequivocal authority on that subject.

[Robz888]

I think there were definitely scum on the wagon.

[pingpongsam]

So PPS I'll bite:

Why did you pick space for whatever it is you did to find out space's alignment?

3 reasons

I wanted to find off wagon scum if they exist because on-wagon POE looked not only more straightforward but probably better left up to the more logical players (of which SA probably tops the list)

SA was dampening my wagon more than once yesterday by saying if I were scum I'd slip into my own noose, anyhow. While, I don't disagree on the face of this argument, I am naturally suspicious of anyone buddying me in any fashion. Also, this looked like it could be setting up a future lynch because it's entirely possible for my town behaviors to be construed as scum slips as I don't tend to play like anyone else I know of and my motives for that style of play are largely hidden.

Finally, it sucks when your target gets killed and if Space was going to flip town I'd rather not found out in the published NK results and waste my action. For reasons I'm not sure I can clearly articulate but do hinge upon some of the reasons above, I figured SA was least likely to get NK'd (except for myself) from the off wagon players.

I should note that my interaction with Teproc wasn't that I had some amazing insights that he was overlooking more that he could have gotten the same degree of clarity he was seeking by asking productive questions rather than scummily trying to highlight the obvious.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

I think there were definitely scum on the wagon.

BOLD

[pingpongsam]

I think there were definitely scum on the wagon.

BOLD

Why did you hammer?

[pingpongsam]

I think there were definitely scum on the wagon.

BOLD

Why did you hammer?

Let me reword, since Galzria hammered, I was forgetting him because he flipped town. Why did you seek to finalize the Clemens wagon?