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Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 2)
« Reply #525 on: February 20, 2018, 04:58:23 am »

Note that I was right about SirClemens by the way.
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Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 2)
« Reply #526 on: February 20, 2018, 04:58:35 am »

this makes me want to vote faust to be sincere
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Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 2)
« Reply #527 on: February 20, 2018, 04:58:43 am »

vote: faust
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Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 2)
« Reply #528 on: February 20, 2018, 05:02:26 am »

this makes me want to vote faust to be sincere
I don't quite see how the fact that you were right about Clemens would make you want to vote for me...
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Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 2)
« Reply #529 on: February 20, 2018, 05:03:45 am »

this makes me want to vote faust to be sincere
I don't quite see how the fact that you were right about Clemens would make you want to vote for me...

Your tunneling of him based on the clear newb!play convinced a lot of people to vote for him
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Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 2)
« Reply #530 on: February 20, 2018, 05:05:31 am »

this makes me want to vote faust to be sincere
I don't quite see how the fact that you were right about Clemens would make you want to vote for me...

Your tunneling of him based on the clear newb!play convinced a lot of people to vote for him
If I convinced a lot of people, then things couldn't have been so clear, could they?

Also I didn't even tunnel Clemens I think.
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Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 2)
« Reply #531 on: February 20, 2018, 05:53:12 am »

Faust truthed. Why all the vote?
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Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 1)
« Reply #532 on: February 20, 2018, 05:55:39 am »

I can’t really say anything to defend myself, this is D1, I don’t want to claim. But i think scum is on me for sure, easy mislynch as it seems

I guess the only other feasible option is Vote: SirClemens. As I prefer my mislynch over yours. There is one scum in the three wagon starters that I posted earlier, porbably one in the group of people that defended me. No idea about the stance of the last one (assuming there are three).
Can we please lynch this guy now?

I can’t really say anything to defend myself, this is D1, I don’t want to claim. But i think scum is on me for sure, easy mislynch as it seems

I guess the only other feasible option is Vote: SirClemens. As I prefer my mislynch over yours. There is one scum in the three wagon starters that I posted earlier, porbably one in the group of people that defended me. No idea about the stance of the last one (assuming there are three).
Can we please lynch this guy now?

Why is that? I think he’s quite an obv!town
This is exactly the kind of thing newbies do to try and seem townie. "Oh look I'm not even fighting." It's never townie because town has no reason to do that. Clemens seems to know that you will be a mislynch, which as town he wouldn't and thus would not sacrifice himself for you. It's just a pose.

Who should I vote for, I have minutes now and minutes just before deadline

Vote for Clemens who is scum.
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Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 2)
« Reply #533 on: February 20, 2018, 05:55:56 am »

I feel like faust is scum here.
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Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 2)
« Reply #534 on: February 20, 2018, 06:41:50 am »

Yeah I thought the self-vote was scummy. Self-votes are scummy. There was no reason for town to do this. I fail to see how this makes me scum.
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Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 2)
« Reply #535 on: February 20, 2018, 06:43:55 am »

Yeah I thought the self-vote was scummy. Self-votes are scummy. There was no reason for town to do this. I fail to see how this makes me scum.

This was a convenient reason to vote him and tell everyone to do the same
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Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 2)
« Reply #536 on: February 20, 2018, 07:34:18 am »

Yeah I thought the self-vote was scummy. Self-votes are scummy. There was no reason for town to do this. I fail to see how this makes me scum.

This was a convenient reason to vote him and tell everyone to do the same
Strange that I had already voted for him beforehand...
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Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 2)
« Reply #537 on: February 20, 2018, 07:35:10 am »

Will do some more in depth analysis later this morning. Interesting scum killed the other major wagon for us and galz was on wagon and lurking. Honestly strange kill.
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Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 1)
« Reply #538 on: February 20, 2018, 07:45:14 am »

I can’t really say anything to defend myself, this is D1, I don’t want to claim. But i think scum is on me for sure, easy mislynch as it seems

I guess the only other feasible option is Vote: SirClemens. As I prefer my mislynch over yours. There is one scum in the three wagon starters that I posted earlier, porbably one in the group of people that defended me. No idea about the stance of the last one (assuming there are three).
Can we please lynch this guy now?

Why is that? I think he’s quite an obv!town
This is exactly the kind of thing newbies do to try and seem townie. "Oh look I'm not even fighting." It's never townie because town has no reason to do that. Clemens seems to know that you will be a mislynch, which as town he wouldn't and thus would not sacrifice himself for you. It's just a pose.

Oh this post is scummy. It's just echoing Cuss.
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Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 2)
« Reply #539 on: February 20, 2018, 07:45:51 am »

Will do some more in depth analysis later this morning. Interesting scum killed the other major wagon for us and galz was on wagon and lurking. Honestly strange kill.

Scum always comments on the strangeness of the kill.
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Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 1)
« Reply #540 on: February 20, 2018, 07:49:34 am »

This is exactly the kind of thing newbies do to try and seem townie. "Oh look I'm not even fighting." It's never townie because town has no reason to do that. Clemens seems to know that you will be a mislynch, which as town he wouldn't and thus would not sacrifice himself for you. It's just a pose.

Oh this post is scummy. It's just echoing Cuss.
I cannot find any post of Cuzz that I supposedly echoed here...
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Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 2)
« Reply #541 on: February 20, 2018, 08:43:19 am »

SirClemens (7): faust, DatSwan, Cuzz, LaLight, iguanaiguana, The_Wine_Merchant, Galzria
Galzria (2): pingpongsam, SirClemens
SpaceAnemone (2): mcmcsalot, Robz888
LaLight (1): Teproc
Robz888 (1): SpaceAnemone

Looks highly likely at least 1 scum, likely 2, and possibly all 3 were on Clemens yesterday. The bolded are known townies (at least to me). I'd like to hear mcmc and Robz reasons for voting SA. Galzria was also a very popular vote to cast yesterday. I'll be looking into who was voting there, their reasons, and why they left. I was the first vote for dubious reasons so i find it interesting that many followed (for their own reasons I am sure).
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Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 2)
« Reply #542 on: February 20, 2018, 09:54:47 am »

People who subsequently voted for Galzria after all the outpouring of outrage over my initial vote on him (in order of appearance):


Teproc (offwagon) - for accepting iguana math without argument (a good vote, imho)

TWM (late wagon) - sheeps Teproc (but disclaims with hesitancy) leveraging Teproc's anti-mcmc sentiments as his reasons (scummy vote)

faust (instigated the clemens wagon) - sheeps Teproc/TWM... does faust sheep, ever? uses Galz' words about people not reading him against him (scummiest vote so far)

SirClemens (never left Galz vote) - argues with his defense as well, which is sad because this was the entire point of my voting him, to trap scum not town (scum read this vote prior to his flip)

Somwhere in here Teproc acts amazed Galz has a wagon on him and, if i followed correctly, TWM revoted just for fun (null for both behaviors)

Also, right about here faust decides to switch to Sirclemens for wanting to join a popular wagon. If Galz hadn't flipped town already I'd see this as bus reversal tactic. But maybe faust is just looking to drum up some lynch wagons, I dunno. Seems odd for the sheep to cast stones at the sheep.

Teproc decides to follow faust and vote SirClemens, he quickly recants and goes back to Galz. Lynch drumming at it's finest. I don't think lynch drumming in and of itself is anyhting but null. It has to be done and there's always a pack of 3 or 4 doing it especially as the day draws to a close. That there is some cohesion at play I think looks more towny than scum as scum wants to stratify the wagons and then force a quick vote at the end instead of letting the momentum build more slowly and naturally.

Somewhere along here TWM unvotes and revotes Galz. this seems really odd to me and cuzz openly says so as well. Meanwhile the lynch drum turns to LaLight. iguana feeds this fire.

as LL wagon interest grows faust and DatSwan reiterate the importance of a Clemens lynch. Datswan goes on to try to place hard limits on the lynch pool His final pool:
Clems
LL
Space
Robz
Faust
Why he agrees with faust on lynching clemens but has faust in his pool is mystifying. Is this weak distancing?

Then the self vote. Self-voting is bad. I've tried it every possible way. It's never good. I am not 100% certain we should always punish it but I am 100% certain it should never be done. why? Because the resulting lynch is fully qualified. There's no way to sort out the bad guys on that wagon when everyone has a perfectly acceptable reason to be there. faust knows this, though and was very, very quick to jump to voting him and calling for everyone else ot do so as well instead of trying to talk him off the cliff. Newbs self vote and need some cliff talking.

For now, until further analysis comes along, Vote: faust FOS: DatSwan

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Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 2)
« Reply #543 on: February 20, 2018, 09:57:37 am »

WHy is Space a known townie ?

I do think Galz's flip should help give us interesting wagon analysis.

PPE: I follow the reasoning on faust, but where's the FoS on Swan coming from ?
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Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 2)
« Reply #544 on: February 20, 2018, 09:58:35 am »

Will do some more in depth analysis later this morning. Interesting scum killed the other major wagon for us and galz was on wagon and lurking. Honestly strange kill.

Scum always comments on the strangeness of the kill.

Meh. It's not that strange a kill either: not the most obvious one certainly, but killing a storng townie who's hard ot lynch (regardless of how much suspicion there is) isn't exactly unconventional scum play.
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Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 2)
« Reply #545 on: February 20, 2018, 10:01:12 am »

WHy is Space a known townie ?
Because I said so.

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Because I think I detect some scum coordination betwixt them. More importantly, because of Swan's ending pool that included faust but made sure to follow right behind him in the Clemens mislynch. It seems very plausible that scum cast two starting votes on Clemens who faust was already trying to finagle before the self vote.
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Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 2)
« Reply #546 on: February 20, 2018, 10:02:54 am »

WHy is Space a known townie ?
Because I said so.

To be clear: is this an overly confident reads thing, or a PR thing ?
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Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 2)
« Reply #547 on: February 20, 2018, 10:04:31 am »

WHy is Space a known townie ?
Because I said so.

To be clear: is this an overly confident reads thing, or a PR thing ?

Space is confirmed Town.
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Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 2)
« Reply #548 on: February 20, 2018, 10:05:33 am »

You're asking entirely the wrong questions, anyhow.
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Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 2)
« Reply #549 on: February 20, 2018, 10:06:14 am »

Noting that I was wrong again, Galz. I'll try to do better next time.

What's the Cuzz thing ?

It isn't an option today, but I will be voting for Cuzz tomorrow.
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