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[iguanaiguana]

Haha okay then sorry for angerwolfing you sir

[mcmcsalot]

I could definitely lynch pps or space.

Why space? Her post here

I've spent most of the last little while making a reads list:

snip

actually gave me a townread just due to the thoroughness and effort put into it. It wasn't just a scummy/townie list that anyone can throw together regardless of alignment, but seems to show actual thought being put into formulating reads with specific examples cited.

There are about 10 pages of content, a reread of everyone isn't much effort at all. At the end space comes to a wopping null conclusion on eight people, a nullish town on two, a town on one and a scum on one. Other than that it feels like they have been making quite a few comments about "moving the conversation here or not wanting to engage in conversation about that".

Space normally discusses different things then "typical" mafia players in an effort to contribute early game but I don;t feel like they have felt the need to justify why they were posting about different things in the past. Feels like scum going "hmm don't want to come out of left field here let me address this before I contribute."

[Teproc]

I actually think this is Space trying to be helpful, whereas I'd expect scum!Space to hide in their comfort zone (ie not reads).

I guess I haven't answered Robz re: Galz. It has a lot to do with his reaction to iguana's claim feeling particularly fake (and I do think it's always tough for scum to react claims like this, especially early on)... then Galz's play in general doesn't feel particularly townie to me.

@iguana: Why LL ?

[Robz888]

I'm a supporter of lynching lurkers early game because if you happened to wagon a scum lurker, you're more likely to get the lynch through since they don't show up to defend themselves. Whereas if you happen to wagon an active scum, they are more likely to wriggle out of it. It's not that lurkers are more likely to be scum (though this certainly used to be the case a loooong time ago), just that lurkers who are scum are more likely to actually go down than active players who are scum.

[LaLight]

At first I wanted to say that I now have a new job and much less time to be as active as I was times before. At second, I struggle through D1: eceryone looks scummy and townie at the same time. Thirdly I actually had a full-of-action St. Valentine’s day today. Off to finish my whiskey, don’t lynch me

[SirClemens]

Will post a read list soon, still need to reread 5 players.

[Robz888]

At first I wanted to say that I now have a new job and much less time to be as active as I was times before. At second, I struggle through D1: eceryone looks scummy and townie at the same time. Thirdly I actually had a full-of-action St. Valentine’s day today. Off to finish my whiskey, don’t lynch me

This has been a thirsty thread!

[SirClemens]

From town to scum:

mcmcsalot:
   - Very engaged and very towny.

SpaceAnemone:
   - Tries and succeeds to be towny in their few posts.

DatSwan:
   - Apart from his weird posts he seems towny, though I disagree with his iguanaiguana stance.

faust:
   - A few towny posts mixed with a few "nonsense" posts. Slight townread.

Robz888:
   - Posts seem slightly townish

LaLight:
   - Seems kinda towny

The_Wine_Merchant:
   - Nullread.

Teproc:
   - He has exactly 1 good post. Null.

iguanaiguana:
   - I am a fan of his opening and subsequent not claiming, but there is not much afterwards.

Cuzz:
   - Has a lot of posts, but seems too defensive. Slight scumread.

pingpongsam:
   - Most of his posts are about read lists. He could mean no harm, but it gives me a slight scumread on him.

Galzria:
   - Townreads me for no reason, indicating he is aware of my alignment.
   - While I don’t really see the case against him, I dislike his defense.
   - Scumread for now.

Vote: Galzria

[iguanaiguana]

I actually think this is Space trying to be helpful, whereas I'd expect scum!Space to hide in their comfort zone (ie not reads).

I guess I haven't answered Robz re: Galz. It has a lot to do with his reaction to iguana's claim feeling particularly fake (and I do think it's always tough for scum to react claims like this, especially early on)... then Galz's play in general doesn't feel particularly townie to me.

@iguana: Why LL ?

I think he's scum

[Cuzz]

Thirdly I actually had a full-of-action St. Valentine’s day today.

Many congrats!

[iguanaiguana]

Galzria is too popular a vote to be scum I think. WIFOM? Sure. But scum would love to lynch him if town and I think his partners would be happy to hop on his wagon and expect that he could defend himself if he's scum.

Either way I bet more scum have voted Galzria than anyone else

[Robz888]

I also really don't think Galz is scummy. Scum Galz is incredibly eloquent, his posts balanced and seemingly informative but conveying nothing that would put him in trouble. This has pretty much been the opposite of that.

[Teproc]

@iguana: Galz is not a popular vote, quite the contrary. Bunch of people casually think he's scummy, not many are voting. That's one of the things that's scummy about him !

And yes, I got that you think LL is scummy. I was inquiring as to why you thought that, as I'm sure you know. Well ?

[mcmcsalot]

Mcmc Vote count 1.2.1

Cuzz (2): DatSwan, faust, The_Wine_Merchant
Galzria (3): pingpongsam, Teproc, The_Wine_Merchant, faust, SirClemens
pingpongsam (2): mcmcsalot, Robz888
DatSwan (2): LaLight, SirClemens
Robz888 (1): SpaceAnemone
SpaceAnemone (1): LaLight
Sir Clemons (1): Cuzz
LaLight (1): iguanaiguana

not voting (3): iguanaiguana, Cuzz, Galzria

Cuzz (2): DatSwan, The_Wine_Merchant
Galzria (4): pingpongsam, Teproc, faust, SirClemens
pingpongsam (2): mcmcsalot, Robz888
Robz888 (1): SpaceAnemone
SpaceAnemone (1): LaLight
Sir Clemons (1): Cuzz
LaLight (1): iguanaiguana

not voting (1): Galzria

with 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. day 1 ends saturday, february 17th at 17:00 forum time.

[mcmcsalot]

@iguana: Galz is not a popular vote, quite the contrary. Bunch of people casually think he's scummy, not many are voting. That's one of the things that's scummy about him !

And yes, I got that you think LL is scummy. I was inquiring as to why you thought that, as I'm sure you know. Well ?

So you are actually wrong, Galz is a very popular vote, if Cuzz didn't vote for sir clemons on the basis of pure lurking thus provoking TWM to vote for Cuzz galz would be at L-2 currently.

Slight Scum reads on Teproc and Sir Clemons

[Teproc]

I thought Galz only had 3 votes, but still. Catching up on the game, it felt strange to me that Galz (or anyone for that matter) hadn't gotten a real wagon. I guess it's a real wagon now.

[SpaceAnemone]

People cherish their special reads and BS “scumslips” and vote for active players instead.

Are you sceptical that scumslips exist, or just frustrated that active players who make lots of posts are more likely to say something that someone can twist as a scumslip, whether or not that reading on their words is valid? If the former, there really are some good historical examples that can be cited in-thread...

Both kinda. I get that they have happened but I’ve honestly never been in a game with a real one, and have had many many more instances of being accused of committing one when I was town (even by other town)

Here's the key post from the time PPS and I were scum together where he left me part-way-through by scumslipping over the setup... it has made me less afraid of him than I maybe should be ever since, because I know what confuses him :-)

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Lull Vote: galz

[faust]

[reads list]

Aka "I want to be able to jump on all the popular wagons"

Vote: SirClemens

[SirClemens]

[reads list]

Aka "I want to be able to jump on all the popular wagons"

Vote: SirClemens

The wagons are probably popular for a reason.

[mcmcsalot]

[reads list]

Aka "I want to be able to jump on all the popular wagons"

Vote: SirClemens

The wagons are probably popular for a reason.

Whats that?

[Teproc]

[reads list]

Aka "I want to be able to jump on all the popular wagons"

Vote: SirClemens

Not a bad point.

[reads list]

Aka "I want to be able to jump on all the popular wagons"

Vote: SirClemens

The wagons are probably popular for a reason.

A very bad point.

vote: SirClemens

[SirClemens]

[reads list]

Aka "I want to be able to jump on all the popular wagons"

Vote: SirClemens

The wagons are probably popular for a reason.

Whats that?

Galzria:

vote: Galz

vote: Galz

Vote: Galzria

Cuzz:

Vote: Cuzz

vote: cuzz

vote: Cuzz

vote: cuzz

Vote: Cuzz

Vote: cuzz

Just click on the link to see their respective opinion why they voted.

[mcmcsalot]

Believe it or not SirClemons I wanted to know what reason it was you thought the wagons were popular wagons, not a link to the posts where people voted for them.

[SirClemens]

Believe it or not SirClemons I wanted to know what reason it was you thought the wagons were popular wagons, not a link to the posts where people voted for them.

They are popular because many people were on them. I thought your question was why I thought they were popular for a reason, not what I understand under a popular wagon.