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[LaLight]

anyone claiming ii is town should be looked at as skummy. the only people that could possibly make that assumption at this point int he game are themselves and skum.

You can do that, true. But I myself did the same stuff one-two times and was obv!town till the end of the game or being killed.

I mean what in the world can scum know about town roles? Nothing. So ii will be caught on lies just like that.

What does "the same stuff" mean here?

Cryptic telling about the role. It was either a vague breadcrumb or this stuff.

Right, that's what I thought. And so you don't think there's any likelihood that there's a community meta that doing this nonsense gets you tagged as obvtown out of the gate? Which scum could then exploit?

I wouldn't say this happen as often so it would be something scum could exploit. Not like there is one in every game. And don't get me wrong, I don't think II is scum for 100%. At one point he will be asked to back up his words and then we can think about was this real or counterfeited.

[mcmcsalot]

I am confused by the amount of people posting at 4am. Also I have come around to agree that iguana's statement is slightly more likely to be made by town and that cuzz's reaction has been the scummiest.

Lalight want to elaborate on your robz read I didn't get weird vibes from him at all.

Also datswan is town, I think he unnecessarily attacks galz and gets miffed more often as town.

[LaLight]

I am confused by the amount of people posting at 4am. Also I have come around to agree that iguana's statement is slightly more likely to be made by town and that cuzz's reaction has been the scummiest.

Lalight want to elaborate on your robz read I didn't get weird vibes from him at all.

Also datswan is town, I think he unnecessarily attacks galz and gets miffed more often as town.

Your 4am is my 13.00

I don’t know, he just said couple of general statements and this is all.

[mcmcsalot]

I am confused by the amount of people posting at 4am. Also I have come around to agree that iguana's statement is slightly more likely to be made by town and that cuzz's reaction has been the scummiest.

Lalight want to elaborate on your robz read I didn't get weird vibes from him at all.

Also datswan is town, I think he unnecessarily attacks galz and gets miffed more often as town.

Your 4am is my 13.00

I don’t know, he just said couple of general statements and this is all.

I know you and faust live on the other side but I was suprised by the datswan and galz/cuzz activity.

Also doesn't robz just always do that now. He's literally said "Iguana is town and shouldn't claim" and "I agree with galz". What do you expect town!robz to have done/said?

[iguanaiguana]

I'm close enough to IC now that I'm gunna lurk and silently judge yall for a while.

[LaLight]

I am confused by the amount of people posting at 4am. Also I have come around to agree that iguana's statement is slightly more likely to be made by town and that cuzz's reaction has been the scummiest.

Lalight want to elaborate on your robz read I didn't get weird vibes from him at all.

Also datswan is town, I think he unnecessarily attacks galz and gets miffed more often as town.

Your 4am is my 13.00

I don’t know, he just said couple of general statements and this is all.

I know you and faust live on the other side but I was suprised by the datswan and galz/cuzz activity.

Also doesn't robz just always do that now. He's literally said "Iguana is town and shouldn't claim" and "I agree with galz". What do you expect town!robz to have done/said?

Interesting white-knighting here

well, I would expect not the bare words and statements, but at least a back up of why he agrees with Galz, why he thinks that ii is town, anything else, even RVS!

[mcmcsalot]

I am confused by the amount of people posting at 4am. Also I have come around to agree that iguana's statement is slightly more likely to be made by town and that cuzz's reaction has been the scummiest.

Lalight want to elaborate on your robz read I didn't get weird vibes from him at all.

Also datswan is town, I think he unnecessarily attacks galz and gets miffed more often as town.

Your 4am is my 13.00

I don’t know, he just said couple of general statements and this is all.

I know you and faust live on the other side but I was suprised by the datswan and galz/cuzz activity.

Also doesn't robz just always do that now. He's literally said "Iguana is town and shouldn't claim" and "I agree with galz". What do you expect town!robz to have done/said?

Interesting white-knighting here

well, I would expect not the bare words and statements, but at least a back up of why he agrees with Galz, why he thinks that ii is town, anything else, even RVS!

Are you really saying "I would expect robz to post thought out and backed-up ideas early day 1" because I just can't remember the last time he did that as either alignment.

[mcmcsalot]

I'm close enough to IC now that I'm gunna lurk and silently judge yall for a while.

Wanna actually be IC use your town cred to engage people and create even more discussions while accruing reads based on said discussions then if we get into a lul in game state you can slam some of those reads on us with a vote/case. you know pro-town things not just pro-iguana things.

[LaLight]

I am confused by the amount of people posting at 4am. Also I have come around to agree that iguana's statement is slightly more likely to be made by town and that cuzz's reaction has been the scummiest.

Lalight want to elaborate on your robz read I didn't get weird vibes from him at all.

Also datswan is town, I think he unnecessarily attacks galz and gets miffed more often as town.

Your 4am is my 13.00

I don’t know, he just said couple of general statements and this is all.

I know you and faust live on the other side but I was suprised by the datswan and galz/cuzz activity.

Also doesn't robz just always do that now. He's literally said "Iguana is town and shouldn't claim" and "I agree with galz". What do you expect town!robz to have done/said?

Interesting white-knighting here

well, I would expect not the bare words and statements, but at least a back up of why he agrees with Galz, why he thinks that ii is town, anything else, even RVS!

Are you really saying "I would expect robz to post thought out and backed-up ideas early day 1" because I just can't remember the last time he did that as either alignment.

I mean do you want me to give you thought out and backed-up ideas early D1? I create interactions!

[Cuzz]

I'm close enough to IC now that I'm gunna lurk and silently judge yall for a while.

See this is the shit I’m talking about.

Vote: iguana

[Cuzz]

I mean do you want me to give you thought out and backed-up ideas early D1? I create interactions!

I don’t understand this post.

[Robz888]

I essentially agree with Galzria.

So you think scum would not have townread scum!iguana here. Why?

I think scum's more likely immediate reaction is a frustrated "this proves nothing!"

[faust]

I essentially agree with Galzria.

So you think scum would not have townread scum!iguana here. Why?

I think scum's more likely immediate reaction is a frustrated "this proves nothing!"

Why?

[Robz888]

I essentially agree with Galzria.

So you think scum would not have townread scum!iguana here. Why?

I think scum's more likely immediate reaction is a frustrated "this proves nothing!"

Why?

I feel like we've seen scum react that way, in cases where some kind of setup or PM or timing error thing has been exploited for town cred. I know that I myself have reacted that way as scum, though I can't recall when.

[LaLight]

I mean do you want me to give you thought out and backed-up ideas early D1? I create interactions!

I don’t understand this post.

I voted for a person who didn’t participate in a game yet with a weak reasoning so this person would speak to me. Or like it just happened will participate in a game

[Robz888]

I mean do you want me to give you thought out and backed-up ideas early D1? I create interactions!

I don’t understand this post.

I voted for a person who didn’t participate in a game yet with a weak reasoning so this person would speak to me. Or like it just happened will participate in a game

Mcmc is ruthless when it comes to weak early game reasoning!

[LaLight]

I mean do you want me to give you thought out and backed-up ideas early D1? I create interactions!

I don’t understand this post.

I voted for a person who didn’t participate in a game yet with a weak reasoning so this person would speak to me. Or like it just happened will participate in a game

Mcmc is ruthless when it comes to weak early game reasoning!

And that’s a good thing imo

[faust]

I essentially agree with Galzria.

So you think scum would not have townread scum!iguana here. Why?

I think scum's more likely immediate reaction is a frustrated "this proves nothing!"

Why?

I feel like we've seen scum react that way, in cases where some kind of setup or PM or timing error thing has been exploited for town cred. I know that I myself have reacted that way as scum, though I can't recall when.

And these are instances where they reacted to their scum partner, in a premeditated town-cred grab?

[mcmcsalot]

I mean do you want me to give you thought out and backed-up ideas early D1? I create interactions!

I don’t understand this post.

I voted for a person who didn’t participate in a game yet with a weak reasoning so this person would speak to me. Or like it just happened will participate in a game

Mcmc is ruthless when it comes to weak early game reasoning!

And on that note, so are you(lalight) saying that your calling robz scummy was intended to get him to respond and create more interactions or was it intended to be a weak early game vote because you found robz scummy for his lackluster posts at that point?

[LaLight]

I mean do you want me to give you thought out and backed-up ideas early D1? I create interactions!

I don’t understand this post.

I voted for a person who didn’t participate in a game yet with a weak reasoning so this person would speak to me. Or like it just happened will participate in a game

Mcmc is ruthless when it comes to weak early game reasoning!

And on that note, so are you(lalight) saying that your calling robz scummy was intended to get him to respond and create more interactions or was it intended to be a weak early game vote because you found robz scummy for his lackluster posts at that point?

Both, actually. I felt scummy from him and wanted more interaction

[mcmcsalot]

I essentially agree with Galzria.

So you think scum would not have townread scum!iguana here. Why?

I think scum's more likely immediate reaction is a frustrated "this proves nothing!"

Why?

I feel like we've seen scum react that way, in cases where some kind of setup or PM or timing error thing has been exploited for town cred. I know that I myself have reacted that way as scum, though I can't recall when.

More importantly than how generic scum or town would react why don't you grab three people who reacted and let us know how you think town!them would react, how scum!them would react, and then what you think that says about them.

[mcmcsalot]

Ok how about this.

I have a story about my thought process related to my role that I think makes me towny. Can't share though since I'd have to claim. I will share at mass claim time or L-1 with intent to hammer.

And also the fact that this exists should make y'all townread me because I am town and had unique thoughts that I would not have had as scum and I can prove that whenever necessary.

Yeah you can be town.

Faust initial reaction to iguana post very pro town iguana.

I mostly just don't want to incentivize people to post cryptic nonsense right out of the gate alluding to thoughts relating to their PM  they may or may not have had to score immediate towncred.

So would you prefer no posts to the kid of posts that iguana made?

Actually curious here. You(faust) seem to be saying here that you very much approve of Iguana's post and that "no posts of the kind iguana made" is a bad thing. WHy do you think that is a bad thing? I dislike iguana's post, and don't say well it kickstarted interactions because I think there are better ways to do that. In a vacuum why do you like iguana's post specifically.

Good. Now that we've gotten that out of the way, which of these seems most likely:

Scum {any of us} supports Town Iguana
Scum {any of us} supports Scum Iguana
Town {any of us} supports Town Iguana
Town {any of us} supports Scum Iguana

Personally, in a void, I think option 2 is least likely in any given game. That means even if you value the others all equally, Iguana is more likely than not town.

Not to mention, you know, this isn't scum iguana.

And, by the same token, all of us are town!

Most of us, probably, I would say, yes. But that's more random sampling than anything else. The point is, scum - to - scum pairings like this don't happen out of the gates D1. There's no point. For Iguana or for anybody else. If Iguana is scum his partners will have stayed neutral, silent, or against him. It's not unreasonable, as TWM suggests, for scum to call things out as townie by townie players to gain town cred themselves for "good reads". No problem at all with TWM getting mild scum vibes from that. But I believe those exact same vibes point towards a likely town!iguana.

I guess I should make it clear that I don't agree at all, and I see no reason why scum!iguana's partners wouldn't townread him for this especially if it was premeditated, and the only reason that scum/scum pairing is unlikely is purely statistical.

So here galz is saying scum is unlikely to come out suppoorting scum!iguana's statement and that makes iguana more likely to be town, I agree with you if iguana is scum and decided to do this it isn't unlikely that a scum partner defends him for it. Your acknowledgment of this however makes it even more clear you find iguana town for more than just "it's unlikely scum would do this".

So care to elaborate on your quite strong town read on iguana?

[mcmcsalot]

I essentially agree with Galzria.

So you think scum would not have townread scum!iguana here. Why?

I think scum's more likely immediate reaction is a frustrated "this proves nothing!"

Why?

I feel like we've seen scum react that way, in cases where some kind of setup or PM or timing error thing has been exploited for town cred. I know that I myself have reacted that way as scum, though I can't recall when.

And these are instances where they reacted to their scum partner, in a premeditated town-cred grab?

If you are asking if robz's scenario is an instance where scum reacted with a frustrated this proves nothing to their scum partner for town cred, I think you are reading what robz said wrong. He is saying he as scum has reacted to similar posts from town!iguana by making a frustrated "this proves nothing" therefor he feels iguana is town and the people reacting to iguana frustratedly (cuzz, maybe myself?) are scummy. If so do you argree or disagree with robz thoughts.

If you read robz right I think you are asking if there are instances where scum reacted to their scum partner with a frustrated this proves nothing to their scum partner in a premeditated town-cred grab. If so I think it is unlikely scum does that as premeditated town-cred grabbing plans day one primarily serve to just put light on scum day one in a current meta that has had slow day ones with last minute scrambles.

[faust]

I mostly just don't want to incentivize people to post cryptic nonsense right out of the gate alluding to thoughts relating to their PM  they may or may not have had to score immediate towncred.

So would you prefer no posts to the kid of posts that iguana made?

Actually curious here. You(faust) seem to be saying here that you very much approve of Iguana's post and that "no posts of the kind iguana made" is a bad thing. WHy do you think that is a bad thing? I dislike iguana's post, and don't say well it kickstarted interactions because I think there are better ways to do that. In a vacuum why do you like iguana's post specifically.

All I do there is ask a question. I also prefer having posts to having no posts. Other than that there is nothing about iguana's post in particular that gets me excited.

[faust]

I essentially agree with Galzria.

So you think scum would not have townread scum!iguana here. Why?

I think scum's more likely immediate reaction is a frustrated "this proves nothing!"

Why?

I feel like we've seen scum react that way, in cases where some kind of setup or PM or timing error thing has been exploited for town cred. I know that I myself have reacted that way as scum, though I can't recall when.

And these are instances where they reacted to their scum partner, in a premeditated town-cred grab?

If you are asking if robz's scenario is an instance where scum reacted with a frustrated this proves nothing to their scum partner for town cred, I think you are reading what robz said wrong. He is saying he as scum has reacted to similar posts from town!iguana by making a frustrated "this proves nothing" therefor he feels iguana is town and the people reacting to iguana frustratedly (cuzz, maybe myself?) are scummy. If so do you argree or disagree with robz thoughts.

If you read robz right I think you are asking if there are instances where scum reacted to their scum partner with a frustrated this proves nothing to their scum partner in a premeditated town-cred grab. If so I think it is unlikely scum does that as premeditated town-cred grabbing plans day one primarily serve to just put light on scum day one in a current meta that has had slow day ones with last minute scrambles.

Well I asked why scum would/would not react to a scumpartner this way, since Robz said that he agreed with Galzria who was making that point. It may well be that Robz answered a question that I did not ask.