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Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 2)
« Reply #900 on: January 05, 2018, 03:57:14 pm »

well I wasted a ton of time typing out a big old thing that just ended in me contradicting myself all over the place. somehow I find myself this early in the game fairly certain of a combo skum team pairing, but as no one seems willing to go for the other half with me for now I will switch to:

vote: O

Can you actually spell out how the Teproc!O combo makes sense?

Like our actions don't disprove it I guess but theres I don't get why you'd assume it either

I could indeed :)

We had this argument with Galz already: the O/Teproc scum pairing is like the most unfounded scum pairing of all. Me and mcmc being scumbuddies together makes more sense than that.

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Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 2)
« Reply #901 on: January 05, 2018, 03:58:29 pm »

well I wasted a ton of time typing out a big old thing that just ended in me contradicting myself all over the place. somehow I find myself this early in the game fairly certain of a combo skum team pairing, but as no one seems willing to go for the other half with me for now I will switch to:

vote: O

Can you actually spell out how the Teproc!O combo makes sense?

Like our actions don't disprove it I guess but theres I don't get why you'd assume it either

I could indeed :)

We had this argument with Galz already: the O/Teproc scum pairing is like the most unfounded scum pairing of all. Me and mcmc being scumbuddies together makes more sense than that.

Vote: DatSwan

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TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

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Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 2)
« Reply #902 on: January 05, 2018, 04:11:40 pm »

well I wasted a ton of time typing out a big old thing that just ended in me contradicting myself all over the place. somehow I find myself this early in the game fairly certain of a combo skum team pairing, but as no one seems willing to go for the other half with me for now I will switch to:

vote: O

Can you actually spell out how the Teproc!O combo makes sense?

Like our actions don't disprove it I guess but theres I don't get why you'd assume it either

I could indeed :)

Taking the Galz route of "I'm so much better than you I don't even need to use such base things as logic and arguments" I see.
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Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 2)
« Reply #903 on: January 05, 2018, 04:13:03 pm »

Maybe that was unnecessarily agressive, sorry. I am curious how you make that work though (because it really doesn't).
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Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 2)
« Reply #904 on: January 05, 2018, 04:49:15 pm »

Maybe that was unnecessarily agressive, sorry. I am curious how you make that work though (because it really doesn't).

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Faust has also been incredibly stubborn this game. In other news, it's hot in the summer, and water falls from the sky when it rains.


Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
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Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 2)
« Reply #905 on: January 05, 2018, 04:53:13 pm »

I get the "don't argue with people who are scum" thing, it's a policy of mine as well... but not for stuff like this. This is not behavioral, this is basic PR/claiming stuff.
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Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 2)
« Reply #906 on: January 05, 2018, 06:17:41 pm »

well I wasted a ton of time typing out a big old thing that just ended in me contradicting myself all over the place. somehow I find myself this early in the game fairly certain of a combo skum team pairing, but as no one seems willing to go for the other half with me for now I will switch to:

vote: O

Can you actually spell out how the Teproc!O combo makes sense?

Like our actions don't disprove it I guess but theres I don't get why you'd assume it either

I could indeed :)

Taking the Galz route of "I'm so much better than you I don't even need to use such base things as logic and arguments" I see.

Nope.
Used logic. If you are Town my logic will not help you r this point. It could help skum tho. So I’m holding it for now. Feel free to ask again later.
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Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 2)
« Reply #907 on: January 05, 2018, 06:30:30 pm »

Wait, what ? You're actually not sharing why you think I'm scum ?

That's hilarious actually. I guess that's one way to avoid discussing how poor your arguments are.
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Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 2)
« Reply #908 on: January 05, 2018, 06:32:39 pm »

I would strongly encourage people to consider voting DatSwan. Also, deadline is on Monday. We all know how weekends go, so I'd ask people to consider that, I don't particularly want to be in the same situation as day 1 come Monday night.
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Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 2)
« Reply #909 on: January 05, 2018, 06:50:28 pm »

I would strongly encourage people to consider voting O. Also, deadline is on Monday. We all know how weekends go, so I'd ask people to consider that, I don't particularly want to be in the same situation as day 1 come Monday night.
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Faust has also been incredibly stubborn this game. In other news, it's hot in the summer, and water falls from the sky when it rains.


Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
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Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 2)
« Reply #910 on: January 05, 2018, 07:03:18 pm »

Again, for people who are not Galz and Swan and don't have mysterious motives (a hint: it has to do with their alignment): it's very hard for O to be scum if gkrieg is not (because why would O claim to have roleblocked me when my claim would have made it me v gkrieg had he said "nope, didn't roleblock Teproc"), which makes him a pretty terrible lynch.
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Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 2)
« Reply #911 on: January 05, 2018, 07:05:42 pm »

Again, for people who are not Galz and Swan and don't have mysterious motives (a hint: it has to do with their alignment): it's very hard for O to be scum if gkrieg is not (because why would O claim to have roleblocked me when my claim would have made it me v gkrieg had he said "nope, didn't roleblock Teproc"), which makes him a pretty terrible lynch.

Wrong. So much wrong here.
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Faust has also been incredibly stubborn this game. In other news, it's hot in the summer, and water falls from the sky when it rains.


Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 2)
« Reply #912 on: January 05, 2018, 07:07:14 pm »

Well, since you can't explain why that's wrong, I'm going to go ahead and assume it's right.
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Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 2)
« Reply #913 on: January 05, 2018, 07:08:00 pm »

Again, for people who are not Galz and Swan and don't have mysterious motives (a hint: it has to do with their alignment): it's very hard for O to be scum if gkrieg is not (because why would O claim to have roleblocked me when my claim would have made it me v gkrieg had he said "nope, didn't roleblock Teproc"), which makes him a pretty terrible lynch.

Wrong. So much wrong here.

I mean, I still think you're scum before O is, but people don't seem inclined to vote the way so c'est la vie.
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Derphammering is when quickhammers go derp.

Faust has also been incredibly stubborn this game. In other news, it's hot in the summer, and water falls from the sky when it rains.


Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 2)
« Reply #914 on: January 05, 2018, 07:08:53 pm »

Well, since you can't explain why that's wrong, I'm going to go ahead and assume it's right.

Just because you've chosen to ignore and dismiss the reasons why it's wrong doesn't mean they don't exist and haven't been said numerous times.
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Derphammering is when quickhammers go derp.

Faust has also been incredibly stubborn this game. In other news, it's hot in the summer, and water falls from the sky when it rains.


Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 2)
« Reply #915 on: January 05, 2018, 07:10:02 pm »

Oh right, it works if I'm scum, maybe ? I don't even think it does, because it changes it from scum v town to scum & scum v town, which does not seem like a great deal. Again though, there's very little coherence in any narrative proposed (or myseteriously kept secret because reasons) for why any scumteam involving me would have gone through this whole ordeal in the first place.

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Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 2)
« Reply #916 on: January 05, 2018, 07:12:06 pm »

Like, narratives that have me as scum assume that I'm willing to fakeclaim and involve a scumpartner in that fakeclaim to maybe get information on Oracle (while having no particular reason to think I would get that info, because even if I tracked, how would I be able to know I was redirected ?)... so you know.
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Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 2)
« Reply #917 on: January 05, 2018, 07:15:01 pm »

They also assume gkrieg is town, because they rely on me doing all this to know if he targeted me. Which means it's incredibly unlikely that O is scum, for reasons outlined above. So really there's no way lynching O makes any sense.
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Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 2)
« Reply #918 on: January 05, 2018, 07:18:37 pm »

Tep, this isn't that hard.

Scum!O choosing not to claim doesn't set up a forced mislynch scenario between town!Teproc and Town!Gkrieg. It does the opposite of what you're claiming. It forces YOU to claim "I know one of O or Gkrieg is lying so the lynch pool MUST be between them and me".

O claiming REMOVES that argument. It pulls him OUT of a potential forced lynch pool. Claiming is absolutely the correct move for him as scum.
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Derphammering is when quickhammers go derp.

Faust has also been incredibly stubborn this game. In other news, it's hot in the summer, and water falls from the sky when it rains.


Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 2)
« Reply #919 on: January 05, 2018, 07:22:52 pm »

Tep, this isn't that hard.

Scum!O choosing not to claim doesn't set up a forced mislynch scenario between town!Teproc and Town!Gkrieg. It does the opposite of what you're claiming. It forces YOU to claim "I know one of O or Gkrieg is lying so the lynch pool MUST be between them and me".

O claiming REMOVES that argument. It pulls him OUT of a potential forced lynch pool. Claiming is absolutely the correct move for him as scum.

No. If O didn't claim, it was going to be gkrieg or me because of gkrieg's refusal to answer my question initially. If you chose to ignore anything that was happening early D1, sure O is in the lynchpool, but that was not the reality of the game.
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Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 2)
« Reply #920 on: January 05, 2018, 07:23:38 pm »

Galz, what are your thoughts on Swan ?
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Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 2)
« Reply #921 on: January 05, 2018, 07:23:54 pm »

I mean, my problem is that you're NOT a bad player, but the conclusions you're drawing here are not really thought out.

I get that everybody wants to accept that blindly shooting The series of events fell the way they did, but the fact is that it's FAR easier to accept if you assume there was some guidance to what happened.

Scum killing one Doctor and blocking another is an INCREDIBLY reasonable play. O not understanding ascetic is not alignment indicative, it's just O. And that's far more reasonable than assuming all the night actions resolved from an all-Town perspective. That sort of coincidence just doesn't happen.
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Derphammering is when quickhammers go derp.

Faust has also been incredibly stubborn this game. In other news, it's hot in the summer, and water falls from the sky when it rains.


Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 2)
« Reply #922 on: January 05, 2018, 07:25:29 pm »

I am scmreading Galz, but then his post about why O claims as scum is good.  So, yeah.

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Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 2)
« Reply #923 on: January 05, 2018, 07:26:05 pm »

I’m still liking the O lynch.

Would move to just about anyone to ensure a lynch on Monday.
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Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 2)
« Reply #924 on: January 05, 2018, 07:26:55 pm »

Tep, this isn't that hard.

Scum!O choosing not to claim doesn't set up a forced mislynch scenario between town!Teproc and Town!Gkrieg. It does the opposite of what you're claiming. It forces YOU to claim "I know one of O or Gkrieg is lying so the lynch pool MUST be between them and me".

O claiming REMOVES that argument. It pulls him OUT of a potential forced lynch pool. Claiming is absolutely the correct move for him as scum.

No. If O didn't claim, it was going to be gkrieg or me because of gkrieg's refusal to answer my question initially. If you chose to ignore anything that was happening early D1, sure O is in the lynchpool, but that was not the reality of the game.

That's absolutely the reality man. If you're town and were blocked, and two people could be responsible, YOU may choose to tunnel one - but the fact is that on the assumption you're town then one of EITHER Gkrieg or O is lying. It would be up to the rest of everybody in the game to make that decision. You don't control that. Scum!O has no reason to put himself in that situation when he can simply say "Yeah, I blocked Tep" and it's all over.
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Derphammering is when quickhammers go derp.

Faust has also been incredibly stubborn this game. In other news, it's hot in the summer, and water falls from the sky when it rains.


Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20
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