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Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 1)
« Reply #250 on: December 21, 2017, 11:01:41 am »

II do think mcmc is super townie and faust moderately so. Everyone else needs to post more.

Is there something about mcmc other than activity level that makes you think he's townie?

Yes. For mcmc, being this active early and this productive and trying to get the game moving is a town tell, I think. He doesn't always do it as town, but I don't think he ever does it this convincingly as scum.
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Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 1)
« Reply #251 on: December 21, 2017, 11:12:55 am »

Working on some pr stuff. where does the joat’s 1-Shot ascetic go in the resolution chain and is it targetable on someone or only self targeted?

This matters for the only pro use of lightning rod I can see.
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Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 1)
« Reply #252 on: December 21, 2017, 11:38:48 am »

So in reference to idp’s question about directing powers I have thought about the best uses of and suggestions for powers but I want more people to weigh in on my gkrieg case or make a case of their own before throwing us into non-alignment indicative pr talk.
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Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 1)
« Reply #253 on: December 21, 2017, 11:57:37 am »

This is townie ash.  He is actually trying to figure out peoples' alignments.  Actively looking for scumslips is not something he does as town.

This is a contradiction, you say you think he is town, then you say actively looking for scumslips (which ash has already done this game) is not something he does as town.

i think he typo'd all over the place

I am almost positive he is  trying to say “looking for scumslips is not something ash does as scum” but said town instead. That’s actually a little more than I typo though add in the fact that the original post is a bit of a paper defense, “ash is actually trying to figure out allignments”. Ash’s only post about anyone’s allignment is “idp scumslipped” followed by “misread never mind”. Never said what that was that he misread and hasn’t made any other posts about alignment.

I think it’s very possible scum!gkrieg is trying to put together a defense of town!ash for towncred, doesn’t put much thought into it, gives a bad defense and slips up his woring because he knows ash is town.

I'm really good at reading ash, and read the point that people were getting on his case, and was putting in my opinion of the situation.  I'm trying to get into the game here.

So actually looking at gkriegs defense of himself here I think he looks pretty scummy. He offers a paper defense of ash which I’ve shown is wrong, ash wasn’t “actively trying to figure out alignments” at the time, and then gkrieg says “I’m really good at reading ash” that’s not any more convincing of a defense and the added “I’m trying to get into the game here” is a bit attitudy for gkrieg, added scum points for that. Add in his low post count and threatening power.

vote: gkrieg

I would say that noticing scumslips counts as "actively trying to figure out alignments".  I am really good at reading ash.  I consistently push for his lynch when he is scum and defend him when he is town.  He is the player I feel like I can read best. 

I don't get why me having attitude is scummy from me. I had just done a bunch of weeding and wasn't in the best mood, but it certainly isn't scummy.  I would argue that I have more "attitude" as town.  Post count also isn't indicative of alignment for me, and the power I have is also not indicative of alignment either.

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Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 1)
« Reply #254 on: December 21, 2017, 11:58:46 am »

since the name of your pokemon is not absolutely correlated to you having that PR, I think there may be some merit in a flavor claim.
Thing is since you get to bid prior to knowing your alignment... does the claim actually help us all that much?

Did anyone else notice this when he posted it?

I'm guessing you are pointing out that he said pokemon instead of character?
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Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 1)
« Reply #255 on: December 21, 2017, 12:00:27 pm »

since the name of your pokemon is not absolutely correlated to you having that PR, I think there may be some merit in a flavor claim.
Thing is since you get to bid prior to knowing your alignment... does the claim actually help us all that much?

Did anyone else notice this when he posted it?
Yep noticed that he mistook all characters for being Pokémon, makes sense that he is pickachu. Also I get his point that knowing what roles people could be isn’t alignment indicative but it locks scum into following suit with what they have claimed. Also we traded some increased danger to our potential pr’s for some increased ability to coordinate.

I think coordinating is a bad idea for most of the PRs.  The claim did help me potentially.
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Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 1)
« Reply #256 on: December 21, 2017, 12:01:51 pm »

I'm still voting chairs, that should not be. Vote: Joseph

I feel like I already did this.
I wouldn't recommend this. If another person votes for me, I'll claim

At most you could claim Vanilla or Roleblocker - and neither says anything about your alignment.

Why so jumpy? Also, AtE is a scum trait.

Yea super super scummy on Joseph’s part. That felt more like a threat than a “it will clear me” sorta claim.
Clearly you haven't played with me enough.
If I'm scum, I'm usually quiet and hiding most the game.
If I'm town, I spend D1 messing around like I am now

I would say your scum play matches your town play pretty well, and neither of them are particularly helpful.
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Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 1)
« Reply #257 on: December 21, 2017, 12:02:49 pm »

We have good activity here, but we need everyone contributing... espcially as long as Christmas isn't there yet.

Request prods on Idplay and seanbean

This kind of post is a little scummy from faust.  Seems a little fake, considering he hasn't had much of a presence as I remember.
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Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 1)
« Reply #258 on: December 21, 2017, 12:10:07 pm »

We have good activity here, but we need everyone contributing... espcially as long as Christmas isn't there yet.

Request prods on Idplay and seanbean

This kind of post is a little scummy from faust.  Seems a little fake, considering he hasn't had much of a presence as I remember.

He is tied with me for more that 3 times as much content than anyone else...

Also prodding people is absolutely a town!faust move.
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Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (N0)
« Reply #259 on: December 21, 2017, 12:37:00 pm »

Request prods on Idplay and seanbean

These players are not eligible for a prod at this time.
Yuck 48 hours prod rules :(
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Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 1)
« Reply #260 on: December 21, 2017, 12:39:36 pm »

This is townie ash.  He is actually trying to figure out peoples' alignments.  Actively looking for scumslips is not something he does as town.

This is a contradiction, you say you think he is town, then you say actively looking for scumslips (which ash has already done this game) is not something he does as town.

i think he typo'd all over the place

I am almost positive he is  trying to say “looking for scumslips is not something ash does as scum” but said town instead. That’s actually a little more than I typo though add in the fact that the original post is a bit of a paper defense, “ash is actually trying to figure out allignments”. Ash’s only post about anyone’s allignment is “idp scumslipped” followed by “misread never mind”. Never said what that was that he misread and hasn’t made any other posts about alignment.

I think it’s very possible scum!gkrieg is trying to put together a defense of town!ash for towncred, doesn’t put much thought into it, gives a bad defense and slips up his woring because he knows ash is town.

I'm really good at reading ash, and read the point that people were getting on his case, and was putting in my opinion of the situation.  I'm trying to get into the game here.

So actually looking at gkriegs defense of himself here I think he looks pretty scummy. He offers a paper defense of ash which I’ve shown is wrong, ash wasn’t “actively trying to figure out alignments” at the time, and then gkrieg says “I’m really good at reading ash” that’s not any more convincing of a defense and the added “I’m trying to get into the game here” is a bit attitudy for gkrieg, added scum points for that. Add in his low post count and threatening power.

vote: gkrieg
The "I'm really good at reading ash" is a bit more swagger than I would expect from scum!gkrieg here.
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Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 1)
« Reply #261 on: December 21, 2017, 12:45:28 pm »

II do think mcmc is super townie and faust moderately so. Everyone else needs to post more.

Is there something about mcmc other than activity level that makes you think he's townie?

Yes. For mcmc, being this active early and this productive and trying to get the game moving is a town tell, I think. He doesn't always do it as town, but I don't think he ever does it this convincingly as scum.

This strikes me as true. I don't know if he's *incapable* of doing it as scum, though.
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Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 1)
« Reply #262 on: December 21, 2017, 01:25:03 pm »

I also think I'm good at reading ash, and I think he's scum !

I am, however, not good at reading gkrieg.

@Robz. Sure. Might you by any chance have anything more to say before you get back to writing your book ?
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Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 1)
« Reply #263 on: December 21, 2017, 01:25:44 pm »

Oh, and faust definitely prods people as scum too.
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Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 1)
« Reply #264 on: December 21, 2017, 01:34:45 pm »

So I was trying to give the newbie a pass, but one post? Even I do better than that on D1.

vote: seanbean.

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Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 1)
« Reply #265 on: December 21, 2017, 01:46:42 pm »

So I was trying to give the newbie a pass, but one post? Even I do better than that on D1.

vote: seanbean.

Why does a lack of posting make him scum?
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Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 1)
« Reply #266 on: December 21, 2017, 02:23:09 pm »

I also think I'm good at reading ash, and I think he's scum !

I am, however, not good at reading gkrieg.

@Robz. Sure. Might you by any chance have anything more to say before you get back to writing your book ?

I have a few other reads I will share eventually, but they are currently weak and based on things certain players are doing, and I think I'd rather wait and see if these players continue engaging in these behaviors (I poison the well if I say what I think now).
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Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 1)
« Reply #267 on: December 21, 2017, 02:23:31 pm »

So I was trying to give the newbie a pass, but one post? Even I do better than that on D1.

vote: seanbean.

Why does a lack of posting make him scum?

Oh hai galz, while your asking questions want to answer mine about why robz vote on ash was bad given what you thought about why robz was making the vote?
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Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 1)
« Reply #268 on: December 21, 2017, 02:33:37 pm »

So I was trying to give the newbie a pass, but one post? Even I do better than that on D1.

vote: seanbean.

Why does a lack of posting make him scum?

Broski, this is Day ONE.

Everything makes everybody scum for any reason or no reason at all.

But low-posting is a good reason to vote somebody on D1, because moar posts mean moar chances to slip up for scum.

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Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 1)
« Reply #269 on: December 21, 2017, 02:45:29 pm »

Time for some Voltaire style all too early POE list

Won’t lynch: faust, Idp
Don’t want to lynch: teproc, datswan, Chairs
Are you playing: O, seanbean, andrew
Would lynch: Joseph, galz, ash
Want to lynch: robz, gkrieg
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Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 1)
« Reply #270 on: December 21, 2017, 03:00:49 pm »

So I was trying to give the newbie a pass, but one post? Even I do better than that on D1.

vote: seanbean.

Why does a lack of posting make him scum?

Oh hai galz, while your asking questions want to answer mine about why robz vote on ash was bad given what you thought about why robz was making the vote?

No
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TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
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Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 1)
« Reply #271 on: December 21, 2017, 03:04:10 pm »

Never mind I’ll do it.

Vote: Ash for obvious reasons.

Bad votes are bad for obvious reasons.

Galz why is robz vote for ash bad?

I know why, but will let Galz answer for himself.

Because there is one person that can, without any shadow of a doubt, confirm mcmc's claim - and that person is, I believe, you.

That doesn't make you town. Hell, you two could be scum together with day chat now. But for the purposes of Robz vote and what we know at this time, I think you were breadcrumbing that Mcmc Neighborized you N0.
You keep saying “you” in response to me and ash when I believe the you means robz but I understand what your saying.

Still doesn’t answer why that makes robz vote for ash bad. If I am a neighborizer I don’t think it’s crazy to assume I would neighborize robz night 0 regardless so that all makes sense. But if that is the case at the time robz would be voting for ash for knowingly lying about his claim, wouldn’t that in fact be the best vote?

Or, you know, maybe the "you" was in response to the person I quoted.
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Faust has also been incredibly stubborn this game. In other news, it's hot in the summer, and water falls from the sky when it rains.


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TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
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Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 1)
« Reply #272 on: December 21, 2017, 03:05:40 pm »

Vote: Joseph
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Faust has also been incredibly stubborn this game. In other news, it's hot in the summer, and water falls from the sky when it rains.


Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 1)
« Reply #273 on: December 21, 2017, 03:57:40 pm »

Actually Vote: gkrieg because mislynching him is fun

Why is Gkrieg a mislynch?
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Derphammering is when quickhammers go derp.

Faust has also been incredibly stubborn this game. In other news, it's hot in the summer, and water falls from the sky when it rains.


Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 1)
« Reply #274 on: December 21, 2017, 03:57:52 pm »

FIRST!

vote: ashersky for not posting.

Why is Ashersky not posting scummy?

He's actively preventing us from getting a read on him by his inaction.

Hello! Every time I post, please, someone, reply "GO FINISH YOUR BOOK."

Are we going to massclaim right away, or have a long argument about it and then massclaim anyway?

Like... maybe the solution is we don't massclaim? Or we discuss -what- we're going to massclaim?

IDK.

FWIW: If we're going to do this, I think we all claim how many heroes we listed first. Then we claim flavor name. Then we claim our lists.

I think that maximizes the opportunity for somebody to get caught in a lie.

Here, I'll start even, so we can just get on with it.

I'm Captain Falcon.

No posts from you between these. Why the sudden and drastic change in opinion about how we should claim?
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Derphammering is when quickhammers go derp.

Faust has also been incredibly stubborn this game. In other news, it's hot in the summer, and water falls from the sky when it rains.


Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20
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