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Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 1)
« Reply #175 on: December 20, 2017, 07:45:04 am »

Well, I thionk it's relatively straightforward right ? If Samus was higher in Swan's list than what he got, it straight up means someone is lying, right ? Or am I missing something ?
That is true, but did he actually say that he had Samus in his list?
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Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 1)
« Reply #176 on: December 20, 2017, 07:46:47 am »

Well, I thionk it's relatively straightforward right ? If Samus was higher in Swan's list than what he got, it straight up means someone is lying, right ? Or am I missing something ?

I actually donít think thatís what Swan meant by his wording. I think he just mean A) Samus is a strong power and heís surprised no one took it, B) in the event no one took it scum knows that because they donít have day chat and therefor would be able to fake claim it safely. Final conclusion very surprised Saumus hasnít been claimed (real or fake)

I agree with faust however that due to possibility of a rolecop as well as just the fact that we chose roles before alignment itís unlikely scum has fake claimed at all.
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Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 1)
« Reply #177 on: December 20, 2017, 07:48:41 am »

Well, I thionk it's relatively straightforward right ? If Samus was higher in Swan's list than what he got, it straight up means someone is lying, right ? Or am I missing something ?

I actually donít think thatís what Swan meant by his wording. I think he just mean A) Samus is a strong power and heís surprised no one took it, B) in the event no one took it scum knows that because they donít have day chat and therefor would be able to fake claim it safely. Final conclusion very surprised Saumus hasnít been claimed (real or fake)

I agree with faust however that due to possibility of a rolecop as well as just the fact that we chose roles before alignment itís unlikely scum has fake claimed at all.
How would scum know that noone took it? It would be entriely possible that someone got Samus, but they are vanilla...
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Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 1)
« Reply #178 on: December 20, 2017, 07:51:12 am »

And yes while I agree we donít need to discuss lists at this time everyone should go through your list. If you did not get your first choice, someone else has to have gotten that character.

Ppe faust: right so never mind not a safe fake claim for scum. I do think thatís what datswan meant however.
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Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 1)
« Reply #179 on: December 20, 2017, 08:51:11 am »

Right, well if that's what DatSwan meant, I don't think that's worth discussing all that much. I don't agree that it's particularly surprising no one got it.

Let's do a vote:ash. Under the radar!ash is scum!ash, generally.
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Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 1)
« Reply #180 on: December 20, 2017, 08:53:43 am »

Right, well if that's what DatSwan meant, I don't think that's worth discussing all that much. I don't agree that it's particularly surprising no one got it.

Let's do a vote:ash. Under the radar!ash is scum!ash, generally.

Is this under the radar!ash?

I counterclaim momsalon.
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Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 1)
« Reply #181 on: December 20, 2017, 09:02:28 am »

That was clearly a joke for anyone familiar with Mean Girls Mafia, which is, like, half the people in this game ? I expected ash to have something to say about the flavor claim in some way, shape, or form, but he didn't.
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Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 1)
« Reply #182 on: December 20, 2017, 09:43:11 am »

Iíll vote: ash seemed the joke could only end in unnecessary info being slipped and not in a way that would benefit town.
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Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 1)
« Reply #183 on: December 20, 2017, 09:49:20 am »

So I think not organizing the claim list was good, it made people react geniunly and allowed us to have someone like ash appear, chose not to claim, wait for everyone to claim, then claim a role discourages anyone from hammering him. Quite scummy actually.

Ash what was your list? Donít see harm in it and it can potentially prove your not a scummy liar.
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Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 1)
« Reply #184 on: December 20, 2017, 10:24:00 am »

@Archetype: Can you confirm that alignment has been assigned independently of which players received which flavor names?
Any character could be any alignment
That doesn't really answer my question by the way, and the evasivaness of it makes me think it is absolutely possible that Arch grouped people with scummier roles into the scum team.

I agree the evasiveness means alignment was not rolled 100% random and then pr/vanilla was decided based on balance. I guess I can ask that specifically and see if arch is willing to answer more directly.

Was allignment rolled 100% random, and then pr/vanilla balancing decided? Or were pr/vanilla decided along with alignment to create an enjoyable balanced game? Iím absolutely fine if you donít want to answer.

That being said I donít think even if prs were assigned at the same time as deciding allignment that that means scummy roles went to scum it just means the power distribution is even.
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Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 1)
« Reply #185 on: December 20, 2017, 10:26:36 am »

My last statement aside, I do find it interesting my current scum reads are a supersaint and 1-Shot deathproof and my current town reads are a doctor and joat with doctor.. extra kill power for scum, extra saving for town.
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Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 1)
« Reply #186 on: December 20, 2017, 10:37:45 am »

So I think not organizing the claim list was good, it made people react geniunly and allowed us to have someone like ash appear, chose not to claim, wait for everyone to claim, then claim a role discourages anyone from hammering him. Quite scummy actually.

Ash what was your list? Donít see harm in it and it can potentially prove your not a scummy liar.
I support that question, but I don't think ash is particularly scummy for the way he handled the claim.
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Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 1)
« Reply #187 on: December 20, 2017, 10:55:24 am »

Some Pichu interactions:
Mewtwo can kill pichu anytime if they are mafia and can make it look like a townie (pichu's orig target) is mafia. They can also clear a mafia target by making pichu target a townie if his original target is mafia.
If Fox is mafia fox can redirect pichu to town if pichu targets fox making it look like he is cleared.
If pikachu is mafia and pichu is targeting a town player, pikachu can make it look like a townie (pichu's orig target) is mafia. However this would cause pichu to be the only death because mafia would either have to chose to no kill or kill/get doctered.

Overall this is pretty good, Mewtwo is the only one that can really screw with our Pichu copping if we do it intelligently. So if we can track mewtwo we can be confident in our copping. Obviously we are going to want to be setting up a decent amount of night actions and we wont necessarily know if we are doing any of them until a couple days later as people die/reveal if they are a pr. For example I don't think we need pichu/mewtwo/marth to claim if they are a pr or not until something happens like pichu dieing and even then we should view the circumstances before jumping to claims.
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Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 1)
« Reply #188 on: December 20, 2017, 11:00:38 am »

Just realized faust gave a summary of exactly what I said about pichu, I think the detail helps but I did miss that yoshi if mafia can block pichu making it seem like someone is town if pichu targets mafia. Much worse that there are two people able to affect the pichu on any given night.
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Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 1)
« Reply #189 on: December 20, 2017, 12:11:45 pm »

So I think not organizing the claim list was good, it made people react geniunly and allowed us to have someone like ash appear, chose not to claim, wait for everyone to claim, then claim a role discourages anyone from hammering him. Quite scummy actually.

Ash what was your list? Donít see harm in it and it can potentially prove your not a scummy liar.

Iíve asked Arch for it.  I donít keep outbox messages.  I know bowser was #1 and I had three names on the list.
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Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 1)
« Reply #190 on: December 20, 2017, 12:15:09 pm »

As for activity, super busy this week, more time over the holiday break.

Iím glad we claimed.  I think it served less of a purpose than any of you think, though.

Any competent scum doesnít screw up, and incompetent scum will be caught anyway.
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Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 1)
« Reply #191 on: December 20, 2017, 12:15:57 pm »

Also, Iím just super bitter about mafia in general since I lost a lot of time and effort on Falling Skies setup via the QT fiasco.
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Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 1)
« Reply #192 on: December 20, 2017, 12:28:51 pm »

Any competent scum doesnít screw up, and incompetent scum will be caught anyway.
Well it was never about scum screwing up anyway.
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Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 1)
« Reply #193 on: December 20, 2017, 12:29:11 pm »

Ash,

Archetype included my list in my QT on my opening post with my receiving Fox. Did he not do the same for you/everyone?
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Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 1)
« Reply #194 on: December 20, 2017, 12:54:52 pm »

Ash,

Archetype included my list in my QT on my opening post with my receiving Fox. Did he not do the same for you/everyone?

Same for me.
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Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 1)
« Reply #195 on: December 20, 2017, 12:57:27 pm »

Ash,

Archetype included my list in my QT on my opening post with my receiving Fox. Did he not do the same for you/everyone?

Same for me.

Same.
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Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 1)
« Reply #196 on: December 20, 2017, 12:58:10 pm »

So he did.

Samus and Kirby were 2 and 3.
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Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 1)
« Reply #197 on: December 20, 2017, 01:11:17 pm »

Actually, for everyone:

For those who received a pick lower than your #1 choice, you know that all characters ranked above your choice are present and in the game. If anybody knows that there is a character present that has NOT been claimed, please speak up.
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Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 1)
« Reply #198 on: December 20, 2017, 02:17:55 pm »

Well, I thionk it's relatively straightforward right ? If Samus was higher in Swan's list than what he got, it straight up means someone is lying, right ? Or am I missing something ?

I actually donít think thatís what Swan meant by his wording. I think he just mean A) Samus is a strong power and heís surprised no one took it, B) in the event no one took it scum knows that because they donít have day chat and therefor would be able to fake claim it safely. Final conclusion very surprised Saumus hasnít been claimed (real or fake)

I agree with faust however that due to possibility of a rolecop as well as just the fact that we chose roles before alignment itís unlikely scum has fake claimed at all.

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Re: M111: Super Smash Bros Melee (Day 1)
« Reply #199 on: December 20, 2017, 02:18:29 pm »

I also received my list along with my role. However, they were in separate messages if that helps you find it Ash.
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