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[SpaceAnemone]

I am now a Skitter. This is what I was trying to get at when I said I know there's at least one possible skitter with a purely town wincon, but I didn't want to spell it out earlier.

I let myself get transformed overnight to gain some info for town, and now I know that there are three Espheni members left.

Through my other power, I've discovered that the Espheni Queen is not among the flavour names in the game, either as players of fake-claims.

If Shraeye really did have an incriminating cop result on me, then there's something messing with cop results in this game, and we should be careful about trusting them. I know of no reason why an investigative result on me would be returned incorrectly (e.g. I'm not knowingly a miller or anything like that).

[SpaceAnemone]

Oh, and I've had a headache all game that's been getting steadily worse. I was reluctant to mention it before in case knowing who had headaches made certain people better targets for scum or something.

[faust]

Can you claim your flavor?

[faust]

It seems worth noting that shraeye's flavor character is in a relationship with ADK's claimed flavor in the show.

[faust]

Vote: Didds

[SpaceAnemone]

Can you claim your flavor?

Jeanne Weaver. The Espheni faction apparently already knows that the character with my flavour name has info on them, so I guess there's no harm revealing that to town, given that scum will already have put it together with my claim.

My becoming a Skitter was only possible after the player with my character's father's name as a flavour name or fake-claim name had flipped, but our D1 lynch sorted that one out.

[MiX]

It's time to get mysterious: I don't have unlimited UB powers. To hide my restriction(s), I'll have to be vague...

I know e's power. I do not know shraeye's power. I have joth's power.

@Galzria, did joth still have a shot?

I am now a Skitter. This is what I was trying to get at when I said I know there's at least one possible skitter with a purely town wincon, but I didn't want to spell it out earlier.

I let myself get transformed overnight to gain some info for town, and now I know that there are three Espheni members left.

Through my other power, I've discovered that the Espheni Queen is not among the flavour names in the game, either as players of fake-claims.

If Shraeye really did have an incriminating cop result on me, then there's something messing with cop results in this game, and we should be careful about trusting them. I know of no reason why an investigative result on me would be returned incorrectly (e.g. I'm not knowingly a miller or anything like that).

Were you always town with the same win condition? When did you have a headache? Do you still have it? Can you detail how you learned that there's no Espheni Queen? Why shouldn't we lynch you regardless?


Also who gave me an item and why? I have no use for it. Also is this a good question?

[faust]

Can you claim your flavor?

Jeanne Weaver. The Espheni faction apparently already knows that the character with my flavour name has info on them, so I guess there's no harm revealing that to town, given that scum will already have put it together with my claim.

My becoming a Skitter was only possible after the player with my character's father's name as a flavour name or fake-claim name had flipped, but our D1 lynch sorted that one out.

Why did you delay becoming a skitter and didn't do it during N1?

[MiX]

Faust, another Child set free?

Yes. I debated doctoring one of you, but it seemed like Glooble had that covered.

Uhhhh, what?

Even though there were three ICs you went with not doctoring? Seemed like an optimal doctor time to me.

Actually, the optimal time would be with one IC.

With 3 ICs and two doctors you didn’t like the odds? Can you elaborate further?

Well, the odds of Glooble hitting the right target are like 1/3. The odds of me hitting the right target and Glooble not hitting the same target are 1/3*2/3 = 2/9. That is the fraction in which using my power would have done something. (this calculation is strongly simplified and you can poke a bunch of holes in it, but it gets the idea across)

Except Glooble probably can't hit joth and you can't hit me. So the odds of you both hitting the same person are 1/4, and that's only if you both go for Galzria, which is precisely why joth died instead. And I don't know much, but you could safely target joth and protect 2/3 of ICs. Instead you picked an option that you still don't know what it does for town.

Insert policy vote for faust here

Vote: Glooble and you should too.

Yeah this is very far from happening unless you give us something.

[faust]

Except Glooble probably can't hit joth and you can't hit me. So the odds of you both hitting the same person are 1/4, and that's only if you both go for Galzria, which is precisely why joth died instead. And I don't know much, but you could safely target joth and protect 2/3 of ICs. Instead you picked an option that you still don't know what it does for town.

I thought it pretty safe to assume that scum wouldn't target joth unless they had a way of getting around my protection.

[MiX]

Except Glooble probably can't hit joth and you can't hit me. So the odds of you both hitting the same person are 1/4, and that's only if you both go for Galzria, which is precisely why joth died instead. And I don't know much, but you could safely target joth and protect 2/3 of ICs. Instead you picked an option that you still don't know what it does for town.

I thought it pretty safe to assume that scum wouldn't target joth unless they had a way of getting around my protection.

Which is why you don't play games with scum as doctor. Moving on...

Space's claim, if true, basically says ADK is scum: can anyone see 9 town, 3 third-parties AND 4 scum? Because I can't. Yet Space didn't vote for ADK.

Vote: Space

[faust]

Except Glooble probably can't hit joth and you can't hit me. So the odds of you both hitting the same person are 1/4, and that's only if you both go for Galzria, which is precisely why joth died instead. And I don't know much, but you could safely target joth and protect 2/3 of ICs. Instead you picked an option that you still don't know what it does for town.

I thought it pretty safe to assume that scum wouldn't target joth unless they had a way of getting around my protection.

Which is why you don't play games with scum as doctor. Moving on...

Space's claim, if true, basically says ADK is scum: can anyone see 9 town, 3 third-parties AND 4 scum? Because I can't. Yet Space didn't vote for ADK.

Vote: Space

I don't think there are 3 third parties; I think ADK is shraeye's partner.

[MiX]

Except Glooble probably can't hit joth and you can't hit me. So the odds of you both hitting the same person are 1/4, and that's only if you both go for Galzria, which is precisely why joth died instead. And I don't know much, but you could safely target joth and protect 2/3 of ICs. Instead you picked an option that you still don't know what it does for town.

I thought it pretty safe to assume that scum wouldn't target joth unless they had a way of getting around my protection.

Which is why you don't play games with scum as doctor. Moving on...

Space's claim, if true, basically says ADK is scum: can anyone see 9 town, 3 third-parties AND 4 scum? Because I can't. Yet Space didn't vote for ADK.

Vote: Space

I don't think there are 3 third parties; I think ADK is shraeye's partner.

Agreed, but that would still mean 3 non-town and 4 scum. Unless you think e's town? I suppose Galzria would know if he was a "threat to town"

[faust]

Agreed, but that would still mean 3 non-town and 4 scum. Unless you think e's town? I suppose Galzria would know if he was a "threat to town"

Considering the power level of town that seems perfectly acceptable.

[MiX]

Agreed, but that would still mean 3 non-town and 4 scum. Unless you think e's town? I suppose Galzria would know if he was a "threat to town"

Well, depends, I have his ability to know this, and I wouldn't be able to distinguish between e and shraeye.

Agreed, but that would still mean 3 non-town and 4 scum. Unless you think e's town? I suppose Galzria would know if he was a "threat to town"

Considering the power level of town that seems perfectly acceptable.

But they would rule the day, right? Especially since 2 of them are survivors, all you would need is a mislynch and a good NK and ADK's vig can seal the deal.

[faust]

Agreed, but that would still mean 3 non-town and 4 scum. Unless you think e's town? I suppose Galzria would know if he was a "threat to town"

Considering the power level of town that seems perfectly acceptable.

But they would rule the day, right? Especially since 2 of them are survivors, all you would need is a mislynch and a good NK and ADK's vig can seal the deal.

What? No. I expressedly don't think ADK or shraeye are Survivors.

[MiX]

Agreed, but that would still mean 3 non-town and 4 scum. Unless you think e's town? I suppose Galzria would know if he was a "threat to town"

Considering the power level of town that seems perfectly acceptable.

But they would rule the day, right? Especially since 2 of them are survivors, all you would need is a mislynch and a good NK and ADK's vig can seal the deal.

What? No. I expressedly don't think ADK or shraeye are Survivors.

Oh. Right, you said you didn't think shraeye is a survivor. Why aren't you voting for ADK then?

[faust]

Oh. Right, you said you didn't think shraeye is a survivor. Why aren't you voting for ADK then?

Right now I think it's important to get rid of some Espheni, and I'm pretty sure ADK isn't that.

[Glooble]

Agreed, but that would still mean 3 non-town and 4 scum. Unless you think e's town? I suppose Galzria would know if he was a "threat to town"

Considering the power level of town that seems perfectly acceptable.

But they would rule the day, right? Especially since 2 of them are survivors, all you would need is a mislynch and a good NK and ADK's vig can seal the deal.

What? No. I expressedly don't think ADK or shraeye are Survivors.

You think ash lied to us on a flip? That would make this a bastard game.

[faust]

You think ash lied to us on a flip? That would make this a bastard game.

That was only a flavor role and it doesn't need to follow any standard conventions. Also the standard colour for Survivors is gray, not purple.

[faust]

You can check here that ash follows this colour scheme:

https://quicktopic.com/52/H/66TKWQuWASr8R

[faust]

Finally, is this how a survivor reacts to another survivor claim?

Believable claim, that solves the third-party/no-third party situation.  Probably makes for a 4 person team, not sure why Mix is saying 4 person+Traitor.  Glooble? faust? joth?  People with experience balancing?

[MiX]

shraeye was a "Troubled Survivor", which doesn't have to be a "survivor". Otherwise what's Peacemaker? I have e's power that relates to that name, so I'm assuming flips are only for role and not win condition.

Finally, is this how a survivor reacts to another survivor claim?

Believable claim, that solves the third-party/no-third party situation.  Probably makes for a 4 person team, not sure why Mix is saying 4 person+Traitor.  Glooble? faust? joth?  People with experience balancing?

That's a good quote.

Okay, if they're partners they're definitely NOT trying to win with town, otherwise ADK would've shot Space. So that makes me want to kill ADK.

[MiX]

Okay, if they're partners they're definitely NOT trying to win with town, otherwise ADK would've shot Space. So that makes me want to kill ADK.

...But we need to focus on Espheni. I think one thing is clear: shraeye doesn't have a cop result on Space.

Unvote

[pingpongsam]

No item received last night. No headache and never have. Interested in hearing why shraeye was lying about a result; just to stave off the vig or redirect it?