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Re: Seprix's Tier Lists For Every Dominion Set
« Reply #75 on: November 16, 2017, 02:19:33 pm »
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Lookout has a two problems that would make it not be tier S:

1) Too slow of a trasher. At best it trashes 1 card per turn.
The +1 Action is a big deal in this respect.

The fact that it cycles three cards is an even bigger deal.
Maybe true, but I did say "in this respect" - i.e. considering the specific objection that Lookout is too slow a trasher. Just buy more than one! (Lookout/Lookout is actually a pretty nice opening for thinning quickly and being pretty likely to hit $5 before second shuffle on a board where that's important.)

The cycling makes it so that you actually play that Lookout more often than you would play a Trade Route, for instance, making it a faster trasher than most other cards that only trash one card.
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Re: Seprix's Tier Lists For Every Dominion Set
« Reply #76 on: November 16, 2017, 02:46:23 pm »
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Having anything in S for nocturne is blasphemy.
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Re: Seprix's Tier Lists For Every Dominion Set
« Reply #77 on: November 16, 2017, 02:51:56 pm »
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Having anything in S for nocturne is blasphemy.

This, honestly. It’s a balanced expansion, and I don’t think the average board is going to be “weak,” but the good cards are almost all in A or B range. There’s nothing here on the level of the Travellers, Donate, KC, Chapel. Masquerade, Ambassador, or Fortune.
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Re: Seprix's Tier Lists For Every Dominion Set
« Reply #78 on: November 16, 2017, 03:00:55 pm »
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Having anything in S for nocturne is blasphemy.

This, honestly. It’s a balanced expansion, and I don’t think the average board is going to be “weak,” but the good cards are almost all in A or B range. There’s nothing here on the level of the Travellers, Donate, KC, Chapel. Masquerade, Ambassador, or Fortune.
Thank you, I do my best. I certainly never think, "now, let's make a broken card."
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Re: Seprix's Tier Lists For Every Dominion Set
« Reply #79 on: November 16, 2017, 04:39:18 pm »
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Back to seaside, I feel like explorer should be much lower. I like cutpurse much better than explorer
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Re: Seprix's Tier Lists For Every Dominion Set
« Reply #80 on: November 16, 2017, 04:55:14 pm »
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Thank you, I do my best. I certainly never think, "now, let's make a broken card."

maybe that's actually all you think but you're just really bad at making broken cards so they all come out balanced. we're on to you donald.
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Re: Seprix's Tier Lists For Every Dominion Set
« Reply #81 on: November 16, 2017, 06:28:08 pm »
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(Lookout/Lookout is actually a pretty nice opening for thinning quickly and being pretty likely to hit $5 before second shuffle on a board where that's important.)
Lookout + Lookout is a terrible opening for hitting $5 before the second shuffle.
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Re: Seprix's Tier Lists For Every Dominion Set
« Reply #82 on: November 16, 2017, 07:49:54 pm »
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I think you have accidentally switched up Pooka and Devil's Workshop.

What????
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Re: Seprix's Tier Lists For Every Dominion Set
« Reply #83 on: November 16, 2017, 10:10:24 pm »
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I think you have accidentally switched up Pooka and Devil's Workshop.

What????

I'm just saying that Pooka is super good and Devil's Workshop is not.
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Re: Seprix's Tier Lists For Every Dominion Set
« Reply #84 on: November 16, 2017, 11:34:30 pm »
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Intrigue:
S: Masquerade
A: Steward, Bridge, Torturer, Upgrade, Minion, Swindler
B: Lurker, Conspirator, Mining Village, Nobles, Diplomat
C: Patrol, Mill, Secret Passage, Shanty Town, Wishing Well, Replace, Courtier, Courtyard
D: Ironworks, Trading Post, Pawn, Baron
F: Harem

Seaside:
S: Ambassador, Wharf
A: Ghost Ship, Fishing Village, Sea Hag
B: Tactician, Bazaar, Caravan, Lighthouse, Lookout
C: Warehouse, Native Village, Salvager, Treasury, Smugglers, Outpost, Cutpurse
D: Haven, Island, Merchant Ship, Treasure Map, Embargo, Navigator, Explorer
F: Pearl Diver, Pirate Ship
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Re: Seprix's Tier Lists For Every Dominion Set
« Reply #85 on: November 16, 2017, 11:46:09 pm »
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Re: Seprix's Tier Lists For Every Dominion Set
« Reply #86 on: November 16, 2017, 11:54:54 pm »
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I think you have accidentally switched up Pooka and Devil's Workshop.

What????

I'm just saying that Pooka is super good and Devil's Workshop is not.

There is no universe in which that is true.
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Re: Seprix's Tier Lists For Every Dominion Set
« Reply #87 on: November 16, 2017, 11:57:13 pm »
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I think you have accidentally switched up Pooka and Devil's Workshop.

What????

I'm just saying that Pooka is super good and Devil's Workshop is not.

There is no universe in which that is true.

Except for the universe in which trashing and draw is good and stuffing your deck with terminal Actions is not.
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Re: Seprix's Tier Lists For Every Dominion Set
« Reply #88 on: November 17, 2017, 12:55:00 am »
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Seprix, could you try to figure out what's going wrong with the images (or use another image host)?  I haven't been able to see Alchemy or Nocturne.
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Re: Seprix's Tier Lists For Every Dominion Set
« Reply #89 on: November 17, 2017, 02:34:42 am »
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Boom. Completely based off of barely any playing time. I'll change this up later, it's not official right now.

This image would be useful if we'd been playing with these cards for years and knew the artwork.  But right now it's pretty useless...
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Re: Seprix's Tier Lists For Every Dominion Set
« Reply #90 on: November 17, 2017, 02:53:26 am »
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Boom. Completely based off of barely any playing time. I'll change this up later, it's not official right now.

This image would be useful if we'd been playing with these cards for years and knew the artwork.  But right now it's pretty useless...

I have been playing with them for a day and I immediately recognize all but three.
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Re: Seprix's Tier Lists For Every Dominion Set
« Reply #91 on: November 17, 2017, 05:34:41 am »
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Having anything in S for nocturne is blasphemy.

This, honestly. It’s a balanced expansion, and I don’t think the average board is going to be “weak,” but the good cards are almost all in A or B range. There’s nothing here on the level of the Travellers, Donate, KC, Chapel. Masquerade, Ambassador, or Fortune.
Thank you, I do my best. I certainly never think, "now, let's make a broken card."

Oh, by no means was I complaining! I love all of the above cards, and find they make for very fun games. Especially Peasant. Peasant is brilliant.
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Re: Seprix's Tier Lists For Every Dominion Set
« Reply #92 on: November 17, 2017, 05:39:47 pm »
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Boom. Completely based off of barely any playing time. I'll change this up later, it's not official right now.

This image would be useful if we'd been playing with these cards for years and knew the artwork.  But right now it's pretty useless...

I have been playing with them for a day and I immediately recognize all but three.
Thumbs up.  Good job
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Re: Seprix's Tier Lists For Every Dominion Set
« Reply #93 on: November 20, 2017, 09:19:16 am »
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Not sure I'd have put Pirate Ship with Embargo and Navigator. I'd personally have it in D and Pearl Diver in F. Though I could be missing something there with Pearl Diver. It just seems like the utility gained from, say, Cutpurse is about on par with Pirate Ship, whereas Pearl Diver is a bit lesser. True it's cheap, but at some point it's not the Coin cost that makes something expensive, so much as it is the fact that you're wasting a perfectly good Buy/Gain on it.

My personal list would also put Treasure Map at D, but I kinda have an irrational love for Treasure Map, and it's not something I'd argue strongly about. I dunno, the only thing I would say is that, when sifting is there without trashing, and there's no other stellar actions in the Kingdom, Treasure Maps can be good (edge cases, I know), but I struggle to think of scenarios where Pearl Diver or Embargo can be just as good, even with support from other cards.


Boom. Completely based off of barely any playing time. I'll change this up later, it's not official right now.

This image would be useful if we'd been playing with these cards for years and knew the artwork.  But right now it's pretty useless...

Well, true as that may be, it would take away from the presentation for Seprix to make just this one be text. Plus, will it really take you very long to learn all of these cards? You haven't had Empires for years, and I'd be willing to bet you know all of the cards by their images. I feel like I already know roughly 1/3 of Nocturne by their images. Maybe not so well that I could recite the entire card text by memory, and I might make silly mistakes like forgetting a card grants +1 Action, but well enough that I could say "Oh yeah, that one is the village that gives a Hex on-gain"
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Re: Seprix's Tier Lists For Every Dominion Set
« Reply #94 on: November 20, 2017, 09:29:43 am »
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I'm an old Isotropic player. What are these card images of which you speak?
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Re: Seprix's Tier Lists For Every Dominion Set
« Reply #95 on: November 20, 2017, 09:34:30 am »
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Well like, we've known over half of the cards by their images for awhile now, namely the previewed cards. Taking a good few minutes to look at each card to assess their strength would get you to remember the rest.
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Re: Seprix's Tier Lists For Every Dominion Set
« Reply #96 on: November 20, 2017, 09:47:11 am »
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Also how is idol an A card whereas bard is a D card. Idol is basically a non-terminal bard. By the time idol curses the thrashers should be up. Raider should be a D/F because it does nothing for you this turn, and the attack is insignificant most of the time.
Pooka should be like a B because it is decent draw.
Cobbler should be an A because it is basically a slower and repeatable summon(- 1 action).
Tragic hero is real weak compared to any other draw.
Fool is good when lost in the woods can be utilized so probably like a C.
Necromancer is good when there are other cards that put actions in the trash which is surprisingly often. Getting one is often worth it for the mason.
Weaker festival for 4 is not an S.
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Re: Seprix's Tier Lists For Every Dominion Set
« Reply #97 on: November 20, 2017, 10:22:44 am »
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Though I could be missing something there with Pearl Diver.

You're missing the fact that it's a cantrip.
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Re: Seprix's Tier Lists For Every Dominion Set
« Reply #98 on: November 20, 2017, 10:42:17 am »
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"This is a terrible idea, just drop it altogether." - Seprix
This was the response I got when I was trying to get a community tier list.

Yeah and it honestly wasn't just Seprix either. A lot of people (myself included) chose to make the discussion about whether or not Tier Lists were pointless. And Seprix got around that here by basically being like "I don't wanna hear it. That debate is off-topic here", which is kinda unfair to you since I'm sure you also didn't want your thread to get dominated by that debate, and it happened anyway. So, sorry you had that experience.

Not saying any of this to throw shade or start drama or anything (I found Seprix's apology mature and classy). I just know if I were in your shoes I'd still be kinda miffed about the whole thing, so I thought I'd mention it just to say I empathize with you and am sorry your thread got met with so much resistance while this one wasn't.
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« Reply #99 on: November 20, 2017, 10:50:10 am »
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Though I could be missing something there with Pearl Diver.
You're missing the fact that it's a cantrip.

Well, I didn't forget that it was a cantrip, I just don't feel that that fact makes up for the fact that you generally have to use your Buy to get a card that rarely does much for your deck. Even if it was just a gain, gainers can usually get you something better (Ironworks could get you a $4, if you're using Haggler you probably bought more than a $3 unless your deck is super junked, etc.) But point taken that Pirate Ship is not a cantrip while the Diver is. I just think that, even being non-terminal, the opportunity cost of buying that Pearl Diver makes it generally not worth it unless you open on a 5/2.
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