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Re: Seprix's Tier Lists For Every Dominion Set
« Reply #25 on: November 14, 2017, 07:25:13 pm »
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New list up. Alchemy. Man oh man Alchemy.

Based on what you did for Base, shouldn't Potion be on here somewhere?  I have no clue how it's possible to rank Potion, though.
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Re: Seprix's Tier Lists For Every Dominion Set
« Reply #26 on: November 14, 2017, 07:38:31 pm »
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If Bridge is S-Tier, what about Bridge Troll. Bridge Troll feels even stronger than Bridge, and the $5 price point becomes less of an issue once you start the cost reduction rolling.
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Re: Seprix's Tier Lists For Every Dominion Set
« Reply #27 on: November 14, 2017, 09:43:02 pm »
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New list up. Alchemy. Man oh man Alchemy.

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Re: Seprix's Tier Lists For Every Dominion Set
« Reply #28 on: November 14, 2017, 10:18:13 pm »
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New list up. Alchemy. Man oh man Alchemy.

Is the image broken for anyone else?

Yeah, it must be some kind of graphical glitch, because Transmute's showing up as though it got ranked all the way up at F.


(But seriously, the image is working fine for me.)
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Re: Seprix's Tier Lists For Every Dominion Set
« Reply #29 on: November 14, 2017, 11:15:12 pm »
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New list up. Alchemy. Man oh man Alchemy.

Based on what you did for Base, shouldn't Potion be on here somewhere?  I have no clue how it's possible to rank Potion, though.

Shoot I forgot to rate Potion!

If Bridge is S-Tier, what about Bridge Troll. Bridge Troll feels even stronger than Bridge, and the $5 price point becomes less of an issue once you start the cost reduction rolling.

We'll get to Bridge Troll when we get to Adventures.  ;D
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Re: Seprix's Tier Lists For Every Dominion Set
« Reply #30 on: November 14, 2017, 11:17:43 pm »
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Bridge Troll feels even stronger than Bridge
Not so! The real killer feature of Bridge is the absence of that "while this is in play" qualifier on the cost reduction. If you play a Bridge twice, you reduce costs by $2.. If you play King's Court on a King's Court and play a Bridge on the second King's Court each time round, you reduce costs by $9...

That was basically so abusive it got "fixed" for Highway, Princess and Bridge Troll.
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Re: Seprix's Tier Lists For Every Dominion Set
« Reply #31 on: November 15, 2017, 12:26:43 am »
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Bridge Troll feels even stronger than Bridge
Not so! The real killer feature of Bridge is the absence of that "while this is in play" qualifier on the cost reduction. If you play a Bridge twice, you reduce costs by $2.. If you play King's Court on a King's Court and play a Bridge on the second King's Court each time round, you reduce costs by $9...

That was basically so abusive it got "fixed" for Highway, Princess and Bridge Troll.

The throne variants are few and far between. You did forget Royal Carriage though. RC + Bridge is even more busted than the other examples.

But seriously, Bridge Troll brings its own goodness to the table when they can be played in multiples.
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Re: Seprix's Tier Lists For Every Dominion Set
« Reply #32 on: November 15, 2017, 12:29:16 am »
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Re: Seprix's Tier Lists For Every Dominion Set
« Reply #33 on: November 15, 2017, 12:31:12 am »
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New list up. Alchemy. Man oh man Alchemy.

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Re: Seprix's Tier Lists For Every Dominion Set
« Reply #34 on: November 15, 2017, 08:32:05 am »
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Iím gonna just rate cards and then complain about how your ratings are wrong for being different than mine. Like geez.

Rankings within tiers are in no particular order, also Iím not rating the base cards.

Base Set:

S: Chapel, Witch, Artisan
A: Village, Militia, Smithy, Sentry, Merchant, Lab
B: Throne Room, Council Room, Moneylender, Festival, Market, Poacher
C: Vassal, Library, Workshop, Remodel, Bandit
D: Moat, Harbinger, Mine, Cellar, Gardens
F: Bureaucrat

Differences:
Sentry in A: Look guys, Sentry is a good trasher and is not a game warping card. Youíre gonna get like four or five cards trashed off of it. To really get clean you need two or more. This is not the same tier as Chapel or even Junk Dealer. Itís by no means bad, people think because I say itís not top tier itís bad, no, itís just in the second tier from the top.

Merchant in A: Also look guys. Itís incredibly cheap cantrip payload, and the only cost is keeping a stop card you were gonna buy anyway. Itís gainable with Workshop. A deck fully trashed with Chapel with just Merchant and Silver can always at least buy another Merchant. Itís actually really rare that you donít hit Silver with it: ultra thin decks draw themselves and fat decks have lots of Silver anyway. Itís actually one of the most impactful new cards.

Lab in A: yo dude nonterminal Draw is lit

Council Room in B: yo dude nonterminal Draw for your opponent is not as lit

Throne Room in B: this could be in A bit I donít usually think Throne is very impactful in the base set. I should move it to A.

Library in C: honestly I should move this to D. Library is really hard to find a board where itís the best draw option. You need a lot of thinning and disappearing Actions, which is just not that common. Still a good Money card and the boards where itís good are Really Good

The rest of them: look Iím right ok Iíll defend these later

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Re: Seprix's Tier Lists For Every Dominion Set
« Reply #35 on: November 15, 2017, 09:28:07 am »
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New list up. Alchemy. Man oh man Alchemy.

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The image is broken for me.

Same here. No Picture, just an X.
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Re: Seprix's Tier Lists For Every Dominion Set
« Reply #36 on: November 15, 2017, 09:29:40 am »
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Base Set:

S: Chapel, Witch, Artisan
A: Village, Militia, Smithy, Sentry, Merchant, Lab
B: Throne Room, Council Room, Moneylender, Festival, Market, Poacher
C: Vassal, Library, Workshop, Remodel, Bandit
D: Moat, Harbinger, Mine, Cellar, Gardens
F: Bureaucrat

Ah yes, this is much closer to the list I would have. Though once again why is poor Cellar in D?
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Re: Seprix's Tier Lists For Every Dominion Set
« Reply #37 on: November 15, 2017, 12:12:14 pm »
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Base Set:

S: Chapel, Witch, Artisan
A: Village, Militia, Smithy, Sentry, Merchant, Lab
B: Throne Room, Council Room, Moneylender, Festival, Market, Poacher
C: Vassal, Library, Workshop, Remodel, Bandit
D: Moat, Harbinger, Mine, Cellar, Gardens
F: Bureaucrat

Ah yes, this is much closer to the list I would have. Though once again why is poor Cellar in D?

Nothing wrong with it, itís just a really bad sifter in most cases since you need to already have the junk. It could plausibly be in C, but I would say it isnít especially useful on most boards, and youíd often enough rather not have it.

Iím also fighting not to make every card a good ranking; F is the only ranking reserved for near-useless cards. D cards still have some utility in certain situations.
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Re: Seprix's Tier Lists For Every Dominion Set
« Reply #38 on: November 15, 2017, 12:40:33 pm »
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My biggest surprise in this thread is multiple people thinking Artisan is not S tier. I would appreciate some enlightenment as to why the card isn't totally boss, just regular boss.
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Re: Seprix's Tier Lists For Every Dominion Set
« Reply #39 on: November 15, 2017, 01:33:12 pm »
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Intrigue:

S: Masquerade, Steward, Bridge, Upgrade
A: Torturer, Mill, Mining Village, Replace, Lurker, Patrol
B: Swindler, Conspirator, Wishing Well, Nobles, Ironworks
C: Duke, Courtyard, Trading Post, Shanty Town, Courtier, Diplomat, Minion
D: Baron, Pawn, Secret Passage
F: Harem

Again the only truly ďbadĒ category is F, everything else is a combination of power and scope of utility.

Changes vs Seprix:

Lurker to A: Lurker isnít frequently ignorable, and even its presence changes boards even if itís not the focal point. The long list of strong synergies it has, combined with its flexibility, make it a really powerful card.

Wishing Well to B: I think itís overstated the number of boards where you can get a bunch of Wishing Wells and reliably increase your hand size. Even a 50% chance at nonterminal draw is still good, but itís not quite A level to me.

Swindler to B: This card gets overrated because of those times you remember it ruining the game for you. A solid percentage of the time itís skippable, certainly not all or most of the time, but more than an A tier Attack normally would be.

Nobles to B: How do people not think Nobles is great? The right way to think about Nobles is that itís a source of terminal draw, with a side effect to get you out of jams, and it gives you a points buffer so you can build longer without falling as far behind. So often this is just what the engine needs. Itís hard to call it C tier when I often buy Nobles over other 5+ terminal draw, and it pays off.

Secret Passage to D: This pains me, since I love Secret Passage, and when comboed properly it absolutely becomes essential. But when I think about other Dís, it fits right in as a limited utility card. It just doesnít seem like it does a lot. Because it usually doesnít. Remember, D doesnít mean awful.

Minion: Minion is way more limited than anyone wants to admit, even though itís cool and fun.

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Re: Seprix's Tier Lists For Every Dominion Set
« Reply #40 on: November 15, 2017, 02:19:37 pm »
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My biggest surprise in this thread is multiple people thinking Artisan is not S tier. I would appreciate some enlightenment as to why the card isn't totally boss, just regular boss.

It's a bit difficult to hit $6.
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Re: Seprix's Tier Lists For Every Dominion Set
« Reply #41 on: November 15, 2017, 02:44:19 pm »
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My biggest surprise in this thread is multiple people thinking Artisan is not S tier. I would appreciate some enlightenment as to why the card isn't totally boss, just regular boss.

It's a bit difficult to hit $6.

Nobles helps you hit $6 more often at least.
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Re: Seprix's Tier Lists For Every Dominion Set
« Reply #42 on: November 15, 2017, 04:28:51 pm »
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My biggest surprise in this thread is multiple people thinking Artisan is not S tier. I would appreciate some enlightenment as to why the card isn't totally boss, just regular boss.

Personally, I reserve S-tier for cards that totally change the way the game is played. Artisan is good payload, but "just" payload in some sense.
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Re: Seprix's Tier Lists For Every Dominion Set
« Reply #43 on: November 15, 2017, 05:00:30 pm »
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My biggest surprise in this thread is multiple people thinking Artisan is not S tier. I would appreciate some enlightenment as to why the card isn't totally boss, just regular boss.

Personally, I reserve S-tier for cards that totally change the way the game is played. Artisan is good payload, but "just" payload in some sense.

That sounds like a good metric, thinking about it more. So Witch and Chapel fit this the best in the base set.
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Re: Seprix's Tier Lists For Every Dominion Set
« Reply #44 on: November 15, 2017, 07:00:21 pm »
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Found this on google:

A tier list should always start at A to indicate the top of the tier.

When something in this tier (in this case champions) become better than A tier, the A tier is not moved down to B. Because 1) the contents of A have not changed, other things have just gotten better. Or 2.) Just because the contents of A are not currently the best does not mean they have to move to B tier.

So, a tier is created on top of A. This is the S tier. Contents of the S tier are over the threshold of what should be the best of a given element (champions) in the game.

S is used to denote who needs to be modified/tweaked (nerfed in some cases) to bring them back down to the standard of game play.

A should always be top tier. When a champion exceeds A, they become S tier and are watched closely for balance issues etc.

Before season 1 starts, there will be no S tier. All champions in S will be rebalanced to place them in A or B. The season 1 tier list will start at A where it should be.
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Re: Seprix's Tier Lists For Every Dominion Set
« Reply #45 on: November 15, 2017, 08:39:58 pm »
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S for me is just pretty much "you never skip this card", although you can just change it to A in your mind, A to B, B to C, etc if it helps you
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Re: Seprix's Tier Lists For Every Dominion Set
« Reply #46 on: November 15, 2017, 09:03:24 pm »
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Is Possession in S-tier because itís unskippable, or because of its potential to warp the game?
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Re: Seprix's Tier Lists For Every Dominion Set
« Reply #47 on: November 15, 2017, 09:14:41 pm »
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I don't think it matters. It would only matter in community assessment to make sure everyone is on the same page.
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Re: Seprix's Tier Lists For Every Dominion Set
« Reply #48 on: November 15, 2017, 09:42:56 pm »
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Re: Seprix's Tier Lists For Every Dominion Set
« Reply #49 on: November 15, 2017, 10:08:28 pm »
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Lookout is garbage, go home, you're drunk

Also, Sea Hag is easily A.
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