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Dominion Nocturne: Night Cards PSA
« on: October 25, 2017, 12:50:39 am »
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Attention, f.dsers. Night cards are not Action cards. There are a surprising amount of Dominion cards that deal specifically with Actions and thus do not deal with Night cards. This will lead to a lot of poor decision making and the sooner we get this list going the sooner people will remember and not mess up and lose for it.

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Vassal: Only affects Action cards. Night cards will simply be discarded!

Throne Room, King's Court, Procession, Crown, Disciple: Maybe there will be a Throne Room for Night cards, but these are certainly not them.

Library: Night cards are not skippable.

Lurker: Can't gain non-Actions!

Shanty Town: A rare buff! Shanty Town is 100% compatable with Nocturne.

Magpie: Hitting a Night card with the scouting portion of Magpie does nothing.

Ironworks: No benefits upon gaining Night cards.

Replace: You will not hand out Curses or topdeck with a pure Night card.

Tribute: Thought you'd never see this card mentioned again, huh? Anyways, even though it's retconned it still wouldn't be any good with Night cards.

Transmute: And yet another reason to hate Transmute.

Vineyard: Night cards are not Actions!

Scrying Pool: This is another biggie, I forget this all the time.

University: For such idle hands, you can't gain a Devil's Workshop.

Golem: Geez, Alchemy is a big offender. You'd think with Potions and stuff they'd love ghosts.

Quarry: This won't be hard to miss with the online implementation.

Rabble: Another weird interaction. Sometimes you're happy to have Night cards on top, sometimes not. Either way surely they're better to have on top than green cards on average!

Peddler: This will never come into play as far as I know because Night phase is after but there ya go. You don't get a cost decrease for playing a Night card. Also, Night Phase is past the Buy Phase, so you won't be able to gain one with Devil's Workshop.

Farming Village: It will skip every single pure Night card you have.

Inn: Only Actions can be inserted into deck on-gain.

Death Cart: The Black Plague can't touch Night cards. How thematic.

Ironmonger: Ouch, what a nerf.

Wandering Minstrel: Your Night cards might as well be Treasures.

Band of Misfits, Overlord: No, you can't play them as Ghost Town.

Graverobber: You can gain Night cards from the trash, but you cannot trash for benefit them.

Herald: Man, Night cards do not work well with some engine cards.

Ferry: Looks like Raider is going to stay at $6.

Plan: You can make deals with the Devil, but you certainly can't Plan things with him.

Seaway: Not sure why you'd ever want to Seaway a Night card given the Night Phase coming after the Buy phase, but yeah. You can't do it.

Lost Arts, Training, Inheritance, Pathfinding, Teacher and Tokens, etc: You probably guessed this was the case with Plan.

City Quarter: Night cards are dead cards when it comes to drawing.

Emporium: Night cards do not count towards that sweet sweet VP.

Enchantress: Magic doesn't touch Night cards! Huh, maybe the anti-synergy with Alchemy makes sense then...

Sacrifice: No benefit is gained.

Advance: Okay, surely you're getting the point by now.

Arena: Yeah, you get it.

Orchard, Colonnade, Triumphal Arch: Yep, makes sense. You get it. Of course you'll still forget and you know it.

Defiled Shrine: At least you'll have a visual indicator with the Online implementation. Heh, IMPlementation.

Summon: Yep. Still can't do anything with Night cards.

Prince: You can't bring him back from the dead.

Haunted Woods: If you ever want to play your Night cards, you'd better not buy anything with Haunted Woods in play.

And this isn't even including the new stuff like Haunted Mirror, which with the discard only works with Action cards. Anyways hope this helps people!
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Re: Dominion Nocturne: Night Cards PSA
« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2017, 01:06:21 am »
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Peddler: This will never come into play as far as I know because Night phase is after but there ya go. You don't get a cost decrease for playing a Night card.

It will with Night - Duration cards eg Crypt.
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Re: Dominion Nocturne: Night Cards PSA
« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2017, 01:59:35 am »
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Because Night cards aren't actions, you can't play them before Haunted Woods topdecks your hand.  If you plan to play lots of Night, reconsider when HW is out.
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Re: Dominion Nocturne: Night Cards PSA
« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2017, 02:30:26 am »
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Because Night cards aren't actions, you can't play them before Haunted Woods topdecks your hand.  If you plan to play lots of Night, reconsider when HW is out.
Or just make sure your strategy doesn't involve buying stuff.
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Re: Dominion Nocturne: Night Cards PSA
« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2017, 07:10:56 am »
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Attention Seprix: We had this this thread already, http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=17765.0.
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Re: Dominion Nocturne: Night Cards PSA
« Reply #5 on: October 25, 2017, 07:33:53 am »
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Attention Seprix: We had this this thread already, http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=17765.0.

We're also going to have it again multiple times in the future.
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Re: Dominion Nocturne: Night Cards PSA
« Reply #6 on: October 25, 2017, 09:05:48 am »
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How is Conspirator easy to mess up on? There's no way to play Nights before Conspirator that I know of.

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Re: Dominion Nocturne: Night Cards PSA
« Reply #7 on: October 25, 2017, 09:23:16 am »
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How is Conspirator easy to mess up on? There's no way to play Nights before Conspirator that I know of.

You don't mess up Conspirator by playing Conspirator and thinking it gives you +1 card +1 action when it doesn't. You mess up Conspirator by buying Conspirator thinking it will give you +1 card +1 action when it won't.
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Re: Dominion Nocturne: Night Cards PSA
« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2017, 09:35:24 am »
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How is Conspirator easy to mess up on? There's no way to play Nights before Conspirator that I know of.

You don't mess up Conspirator by playing Conspirator and thinking it gives you +1 card +1 action when it doesn't. You mess up Conspirator by buying Conspirator thinking it will give you +1 card +1 action when it won't.

Ah, I see.

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Re: Dominion Nocturne: Night Cards PSA
« Reply #9 on: October 25, 2017, 09:54:41 am »
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Conspirator: This one is really easy to mess up on!

Are you sure? Doesn't Conspirator only count the number of actions you've played so far that turn (including the Conspirator)? No cards played later that turn will boost already played Conspirators. You cannot (based on the knowledge we have so far) play any night cards before you play a Conspirator, and any durations that linger wasn't played earlier that same turn either, so I don't see how this one is easy to mess up. What am I missing?
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Re: Dominion Nocturne: Night Cards PSA
« Reply #10 on: October 25, 2017, 10:01:25 am »
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Conspirator: This one is really easy to mess up on!

Are you sure? Doesn't Conspirator only count the number of actions you've played so far that turn (including the Conspirator)? No cards played later that turn will boost already played Conspirators. You cannot (based on the knowledge we have so far) play any night cards before you play a Conspirator, and any durations that linger wasn't played earlier that same turn either, so I don't see how this one is easy to mess up. What am I missing?

The posts directly above this.

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Re: Dominion Nocturne: Night Cards PSA
« Reply #11 on: October 25, 2017, 10:43:29 am »
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Conspirator: This one is really easy to mess up on!

Are you sure? Doesn't Conspirator only count the number of actions you've played so far that turn (including the Conspirator)? No cards played later that turn will boost already played Conspirators. You cannot (based on the knowledge we have so far) play any night cards before you play a Conspirator, and any durations that linger wasn't played earlier that same turn either, so I don't see how this one is easy to mess up. What am I missing?

The posts directly above this.

Heheh... I was at work, so I hadn’t refreshed the page for a while. Glad we agree! :-)
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Re: Dominion Nocturne: Night Cards PSA
« Reply #12 on: October 25, 2017, 11:16:48 am »
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Also Magpie.
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Re: Dominion Nocturne: Night Cards PSA
« Reply #13 on: October 25, 2017, 07:11:23 pm »
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Re: Dominion Nocturne: Night Cards PSA
« Reply #14 on: October 25, 2017, 08:21:13 pm »
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Peddler: This will never come into play as far as I know because Night phase is after but there ya go. You don't get a cost decrease for playing a Night card.
It's also important to remember that Night phase isn't Buy phase so Peddler will cost 8 for Devil's Workshop.
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Re: Dominion Nocturne: Night Cards PSA
« Reply #15 on: October 31, 2017, 12:40:52 pm »
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Another one I thought of, first turn you play
Tactician. You'll have to discard all your night cards to activate the good next turn effect.
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Re: Dominion Nocturne: Night Cards PSA
« Reply #16 on: October 31, 2017, 12:43:24 pm »
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Peddler: This will never come into play as far as I know because Night phase is after but there ya go. You don't get a cost decrease for playing a Night card.
It's also important to remember that Night phase isn't Buy phase so Peddler will cost 8 for Devil's Workshop.

And if you Gain Villa (like through Vampire), you don't return to your Action phase.

Though I'm sure someone brought that up here or elsewhere.
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Re: Dominion Nocturne: Night Cards PSA
« Reply #17 on: November 02, 2017, 10:29:57 am »
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I'm not sure I would call Shanty Town a buff. If you draw no Action cards with it, it's a Moat.

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Re: Dominion Nocturne: Night Cards PSA
« Reply #18 on: November 02, 2017, 12:16:34 pm »
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With all the new types of cards in Nocturne, I'm seeing some serious synergy with Courtier, specifically Werewolf.
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Re: Dominion Nocturne: Night Cards PSA
« Reply #19 on: November 02, 2017, 12:39:05 pm »
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I'm not sure I would call Shanty Town a buff. If you draw no Action cards with it, it's a Moat.

A Moat that doesn't draw anything dead is bretty good.
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Re: Dominion Nocturne: Night Cards PSA
« Reply #20 on: November 02, 2017, 12:40:02 pm »
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With all the new types of cards in Nocturne, I'm seeing some serious synergy with Courtier, specifically Werewolf.

Don't try to court a Werewolf. It will end badly.
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Re: Dominion Nocturne: Night Cards PSA
« Reply #21 on: November 02, 2017, 01:28:20 pm »
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With all the new types of cards in Nocturne, I'm seeing some serious synergy with Courtier, specifically Werewolf.

Don't try to court a Werewolf. It will end badly.

I shouldn't need to. If I need something to count I'll just head out to the Pasture and count sheep.
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Re: Dominion Nocturne: Night Cards PSA
« Reply #22 on: November 02, 2017, 01:41:02 pm »
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I'm not sure I would call Shanty Town a buff. If you draw no Action cards with it, it's a Moat.

A Moat that doesn't draw anything dead is bretty good.

Night cards are like Treasure cards in that respect. Somehow, people cease to be amazed by Moat/BM.

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Re: Dominion Nocturne: Night Cards PSA
« Reply #23 on: November 02, 2017, 01:57:36 pm »
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I'm not sure I would call Shanty Town a buff. If you draw no Action cards with it, it's a Moat.

A Moat that doesn't draw anything dead is bretty good.

Night cards are like Treasure cards in that respect. Somehow, people cease to be amazed by Moat/BM.

The difference is that you're probably not playing the Moat/BM that people cease to be amazed by if your deck has Shanty Towns and Nights in it.
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Re: Dominion Nocturne: Night Cards PSA
« Reply #24 on: November 02, 2017, 02:48:29 pm »
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I'm not sure I would call Shanty Town a buff. If you draw no Action cards with it, it's a Moat.

So is a Lab.  Everyone still likes Lab.
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