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New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« on: October 23, 2017, 06:41:52 am »
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The German publisher just revealed this card. It will be in spielbox magazine in November. I don't know about the English one (and my translation of the title is a pure guess).

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Source: http://forum.dominion-welt.de/viewtopic.php?f=2&p=4786#p4786
« Last Edit: October 23, 2017, 07:16:20 am by MrFrog »
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2017, 06:43:00 am »
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woah, nice surprise!
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2017, 06:50:28 am »
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Not that I don't believe you, but can you link the original source as reference as I can't find it on http://www.dominion-welt.de ?
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2017, 08:21:28 am »
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Works well (also) in shelter boards.
« Last Edit: October 23, 2017, 08:33:15 am by diedre91 »
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2017, 08:23:20 am »
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Works well in shelter boards.

How is it different in Shelter boards?
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2017, 08:26:53 am »
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Just confirming that this is official.
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2017, 08:33:41 am »
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Just confirming that this is official.

Confirming the English name also?
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #8 on: October 23, 2017, 08:35:28 am »
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Works well in shelter boards.

How is it different in Shelter boards?

You're right, not really. I got caught by the "1" and related to shelters without thinking.
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2017, 08:39:29 am »
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Just confirming that this is official.

Confirming the English name also?

No, just that its not a hoax, etc.
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #10 on: October 23, 2017, 08:46:28 am »
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And this one's actually a promo!
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #11 on: October 23, 2017, 09:20:56 am »
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Wow, on the same day as the previews even!  Looks like the Germans still like tiny text.

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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #12 on: October 23, 2017, 09:31:02 am »
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Wow, on the same day as the previews even!  Looks like the Germans still like tiny text.

Absolutely.

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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #13 on: October 23, 2017, 10:02:33 am »
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Just confirming that this is official.

Confirming the English name also?

No, just that its not a hoax, etc.

Demolish?
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #14 on: October 23, 2017, 10:10:32 am »
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Just confirming that this is official.

Confirming the English name also?

No, just that its not a hoax, etc.

Demolish?

Are you asking me? Im sure there will be an official announcement for the English version at some point.
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #15 on: October 23, 2017, 10:39:47 am »
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Interesting. So in most cases, if you open with this you can trash an Estate for a Copper and a Gold. I'm not sure how good that is. Probably fine if you can open this / Forager or some other good treasure trasher. Otherwise, with a $2 Kingdom card, maybe it's worth trashing a Silver for a Gold plus that $2.

Trying to think of some other good combos, but Rats is the only thing that comes to mind.
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #16 on: October 23, 2017, 10:48:50 am »
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One of the more useful things to do with this is probably "discard a Gold to gain a card costing up to $5".
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #17 on: October 23, 2017, 10:51:18 am »
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Well, this is almost strictly better than Trader as a way to get rid of your starting deck, and I sure have used Trader for that so at the very least this won't be a completely useless card.
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #18 on: October 23, 2017, 11:26:17 am »
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #19 on: October 23, 2017, 12:00:32 pm »
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #20 on: October 23, 2017, 12:38:04 pm »
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Hm.... iiiiiiinteresting card.

Why does it have Empires-like art? Or maybe that was unintentional and the pillars just remind me of Empires.

At first glance, it doesn't look particularly good. Slowly trash your coppers and occasionally gain a...

Oh, wow, while typing I just realized this card's actual potential. The comment above me meant "trash" a Gold, not "discard" it.

So the strategy here is to keep trashing Golds to gain $5 cards and more Golds. So it's like Lurker in that it can slowly gain powerful cards. And then it can also trash coppers. You might want to get more than one: One to gain the good cards, the other to get rid of junk.
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #21 on: October 23, 2017, 01:01:13 pm »
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One of the more useful things to do with this is probably "discard a Gold to gain a card costing up to $5".
Woodcutter can also gain $5s in combination with Gold, just not midturn.
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #22 on: October 23, 2017, 01:06:34 pm »
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Oh, wow, while typing I just realized this card's actual potential. The comment above me meant "trash" a Gold, not "discard" it.

It threw me for a second, too. But, no, faust is right. Yeah, sure you actually trash a gold but you gain it right back into your discard pile. so, in effect, you are discarding a gold to gain a $5 card. I that it was a very apt description of the mechanic. Edge cases would only serve to enhance since trashing is actually taking place (Market Square, Rogue, etc.).
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #23 on: October 23, 2017, 01:15:33 pm »
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Woodcutter can also gain $5s in combination with Gold, just not midturn.

Which is why that crazy-OP card was removed in the 2nd edition.
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #24 on: October 23, 2017, 02:50:22 pm »
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The English version is called Dismantle and will be out whenever the German one is (meaning it will show up at the BGG store). RGG will air-ship some in order to have it at the right time (then more will show up the slow way later). Ours will of course have a bigger font.

Altenburger (the German publisher) wanted a promo for tournaments they're running over the next year. I don't see how that works with them getting it into Spielbox, but there it is.
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #25 on: October 23, 2017, 03:12:06 pm »
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The English version is called Dismantle

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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #26 on: October 23, 2017, 03:25:42 pm »
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Why does it have Empires-like art? Or maybe that was unintentional and the pillars just remind me of Empires.

The art shows a person taking away stones from an ancient building for something else.

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« Reply #27 on: October 23, 2017, 03:28:58 pm »
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Why does it have Empires-like art? Or maybe that was unintentional and the pillars just remind me of Empires.

The art shows a person taking away stones from an ancient building for something else.

Which is totally a thing that would happen.  A lot of European cathedrals built in medieval or Renaissance times were constructed from stones taken from Roman ruins.
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #28 on: October 23, 2017, 04:04:56 pm »
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Wow, they're pissing me off more and more: First they announce to wait a year before releasing Nocturne, then they make a new Promo and don't bring it to Essen, but only maek it available at tournaments which probably be 3 4p games with the same players and no expansion after Seaside again.
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #29 on: October 23, 2017, 04:37:18 pm »
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Wow, they're pissing me off more and more: First they announce to wait a year before releasing Nocturne, then they make a new Promo and don't bring it to Essen, but only maek it available at tournaments which probably be 3 4p games with the same players and no expansion after Seaside again.

Planning on releasing Nocturne any time soon?

"What? Nooooooo"
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« Reply #30 on: October 23, 2017, 05:31:00 pm »
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Wow, they're pissing me off more and more: First they announce to wait a year before releasing Nocturne, then they make a new Promo and don't bring it to Essen, but only make it available at tournaments which probably be 3 4p games with the same players and no expansion after Seaside again.

Yes, absolutely!
I hope for some German copies on BGG.
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #31 on: October 23, 2017, 05:49:33 pm »
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Wow, they're pissing me off more and more: First they announce to wait a year before releasing Nocturne, then they make a new Promo and don't bring it to Essen, but only maek it available at tournaments which probably be 3 4p games with the same players and no expansion after Seaside again.

What really annoys ME is that I repeatedly told them I was up to helping translate the cards for free (ASS has taken help from fans for a while now), and now they throw out half-assed verbatim translations one year before even planning to actually produce the cards. Devil's Workshop and Dismantle could have stuck with the Workshop and the German equivalent of the Remodel family names easily, but they messed that up, sadly.

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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #32 on: October 23, 2017, 05:55:32 pm »
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Wow, they're pissing me off more and more: First they announce to wait a year before releasing Nocturne, then they make a new Promo and don't bring it to Essen, but only maek it available at tournaments which probably be 3 4p games with the same players and no expansion after Seaside again.
You know what's really good for promoting Dominion? Expansions!

Which is to say, desperately needing a promo and then not putting Nocturne out for a year did not make much sense to me either.
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #33 on: October 23, 2017, 06:08:10 pm »
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They're blaming you / RGG for not telling them about the cards in time by the way. Sounds like a great reason to wait a year.
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« Reply #34 on: October 23, 2017, 06:48:38 pm »
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I also think it sucks they announce the promo the day of previews. I would have waited a week after Nocturne came out for the surprise factor, or at least after previews were done.
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #35 on: October 23, 2017, 06:52:33 pm »
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Wow, they're pissing me off more and more: First they announce to wait a year before releasing Nocturne, then they make a new Promo and don't bring it to Essen, but only maek it available at tournaments which probably be 3 4p games with the same players and no expansion after Seaside again.

What really annoys ME is that I repeatedly told them I was up to helping translate the cards for free (ASS has taken help from fans for a while now), and now they throw out half-assed verbatim translations one year before even planning to actually produce the cards. Devil's Workshop and Dismantle could have stuck with the Workshop and the German equivalent of the Remodel family names easily, but they messed that up, sadly.

I can't say anything about Dismantle, but Nocturne translations were done by your fellow Dominion players, in-house, for Shuffle iT.  They could have gone with Teufelswerkstatt, but they felt Giftkuche was more evocative, and I agree with them.
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #36 on: October 23, 2017, 07:11:08 pm »
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Wow, they're pissing me off more and more: First they announce to wait a year before releasing Nocturne, then they make a new Promo and don't bring it to Essen, but only maek it available at tournaments which probably be 3 4p games with the same players and no expansion after Seaside again.

What really annoys ME is that I repeatedly told them I was up to helping translate the cards for free (ASS has taken help from fans for a while now), and now they throw out half-assed verbatim translations one year before even planning to actually produce the cards. Devil's Workshop and Dismantle could have stuck with the Workshop and the German equivalent of the Remodel family names easily, but they messed that up, sadly.

I can't say anything about Dismantle, but Nocturne translations were done by your fellow Dominion players, in-house, for Shuffle iT.  They could have gone with Teufelswerkstatt, but they felt Giftkuche was more evocative, and I agree with them.

Which is why I would have translated it as "Teufelswerk". It's a pun.

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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #37 on: October 23, 2017, 07:12:39 pm »
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Which is why I would have translated it as "Teufelswerk". It's a pun.

Nice one.
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #38 on: October 24, 2017, 06:23:12 am »
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Wow, they're pissing me off more and more: First they announce to wait a year before releasing Nocturne, then they make a new Promo and don't bring it to Essen, but only make it available at tournaments which probably be 3 4p games with the same players and no expansion after Seaside again.

Yes, absolutely!
I hope for some German copies on BGG.

Why not just get a spielbox copy next month? It's only ~7 in Germany and worth it even without the promo 😉
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #39 on: October 24, 2017, 11:58:01 am »
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I can confirm that the English version I'm looking at (that I got a while ago for translating) has the exact card text that MrFrog assumed.

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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #40 on: October 24, 2017, 12:26:04 pm »
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Wow, they're pissing me off more and more: First they announce to wait a year before releasing Nocturne, then they make a new Promo and don't bring it to Essen, but only make it available at tournaments which probably be 3 4p games with the same players and no expansion after Seaside again.

Yes, absolutely!
I hope for some German copies on BGG.

Why not just get a spielbox copy next month? It's only ~7 in Germany and worth it even without the promo 😉

Actually, they announced they will also give it away via their Facebook and their forum somehow.

Do we have any information about when this'll be on ShiT?
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #41 on: October 24, 2017, 01:39:16 pm »
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Do we have any information about when this'll be on ShiT?

I'm guessing once it actually gets released. Not sure if that'll be when it gets released in German, or English, or both, or later because Stef has other things to do.
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #42 on: October 24, 2017, 04:16:58 pm »
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I want to destroy a Mantle.
"Which mantle?"
Dismantle.

Planning on releasing Nocturne any time soon?
"What? Nooooooo"

Man, you are absolutely destroying it (or should I say dismantling it) with these puns
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« Reply #43 on: October 24, 2017, 07:19:52 pm »
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It's soo disappointing, that this card is not distributed in Essen this year. Instead Altenburger decided to make Courtier a promo 😶
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #44 on: November 11, 2017, 11:38:04 am »
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It's soo disappointing, that this card is not distributed in Essen this year. Instead Altenburger decided to make Courtier a promo 😶

Wasn't it that they accidentally neglected including it in the 2nd edition copies? If that's true, it's more of a "fix" than it is a promo. (similar to English Pathfinding, but a worse mistake)

Edit: incidentally, the perspective makes it look loke he's reading something from a piece of grey cardboard while scratching his head. I had to read that he's carrying a stone before I could see it.
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #45 on: November 11, 2017, 12:54:43 pm »
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Wasn't it that they accidentally neglected including it in the 2nd edition copies? If that's true, it's more of a "fix" than it is a promo. (similar to English Pathfinding, but a worse mistake)
No, but the cards in the German Upgrade pack (Base+Intrigue combined) didn't fit onto one printing sheet, so they had to produce one card extra and decided to give it away as a promo card.
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #46 on: November 12, 2017, 07:38:24 am »
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I can see the card art becoming a 'what did I just read' meme on this site.
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #47 on: November 12, 2017, 12:18:14 pm »
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Edit: incidentally, the perspective makes it look loke he's reading something from a piece of grey cardboard while scratching his head. I had to read that he's carrying a stone before I could see it.

Wow, I just noticed that too. No matter, I am keeping my previous interpretation as cannon.
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #48 on: November 13, 2017, 12:36:07 pm »
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I can see the card art becoming a 'what did I just read' meme on this site.

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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #49 on: November 13, 2017, 02:03:27 pm »
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Edit: incidentally, the perspective makes it look loke he's reading something from a piece of grey cardboard while scratching his head. I had to read that he's carrying a stone before I could see it.

Wow, I just noticed that too. No matter, I am keeping my previous interpretation as cannon.

Wow. Me, too.

I honestly never considered it was anything other than a guy looking at the demolition plans.

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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #50 on: November 13, 2017, 02:07:57 pm »
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Wow, they're pissing me off more and more: First they announce to wait a year before releasing Nocturne, then they make a new Promo and don't bring it to Essen, but only maek it available at tournaments which probably be 3 4p games with the same players and no expansion after Seaside again.

What really annoys ME is that I repeatedly told them I was up to helping translate the cards for free (ASS has taken help from fans for a while now), and now they throw out half-assed verbatim translations one year before even planning to actually produce the cards. Devil's Workshop and Dismantle could have stuck with the Workshop and the German equivalent of the Remodel family names easily, but they messed that up, sadly.

I can't say anything about Dismantle, but Nocturne translations were done by your fellow Dominion players, in-house, for Shuffle iT.  They could have gone with Teufelswerkstatt, but they felt Giftkuche was more evocative, and I agree with them.

Which is why I would have translated it as "Teufelswerk". It's a pun.

Any chance the pun can be explained those of us who know enough German to understand Teufel as devil, but remember work as Arbeit?
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #51 on: November 13, 2017, 04:57:10 pm »
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Wow, they're pissing me off more and more: First they announce to wait a year before releasing Nocturne, then they make a new Promo and don't bring it to Essen, but only maek it available at tournaments which probably be 3 4p games with the same players and no expansion after Seaside again.

What really annoys ME is that I repeatedly told them I was up to helping translate the cards for free (ASS has taken help from fans for a while now), and now they throw out half-assed verbatim translations one year before even planning to actually produce the cards. Devil's Workshop and Dismantle could have stuck with the Workshop and the German equivalent of the Remodel family names easily, but they messed that up, sadly.

I can't say anything about Dismantle, but Nocturne translations were done by your fellow Dominion players, in-house, for Shuffle iT.  They could have gone with Teufelswerkstatt, but they felt Giftkuche was more evocative, and I agree with them.

Which is why I would have translated it as "Teufelswerk". It's a pun.

Any chance the pun can be explained those of us who know enough German to understand Teufel as devil, but remember work as Arbeit?

"Werk" in "Teufelswerk" means a piece of work, like "Something the devil created". "Teufelswerk!" is what a medieval German person would exclaim when terrified over something that's apparently magic or of devilish nature (imagine a stereotypical movie where somebody travels back in time and shows king Arthur some king a lighter).

Either way, a "Werk" is also a place where things are being manufactured. And of course Workshop is "Werkstatt" in German. So "Teufelswerk" can be translated to "Something created by the Devil" and, on a more subtle level, as "Devil's Manufacture" or, well, "Devil's Workshop".

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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #52 on: November 13, 2017, 11:57:29 pm »
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I just don't understand how anyone can take Germans seriously when they go around calling the Devil a "toiffle".  Like seriously that word is far too whimsical
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #53 on: November 14, 2017, 12:04:58 am »
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I just don't understand how anyone can take Germans seriously when they go around calling the Devil a "toiffle".  Like seriously that word is far too whimsical

At least his German name isn't D-evil. Far too obvious.  :P

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« Reply #54 on: November 14, 2017, 05:09:10 pm »
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I just don't understand how anyone can take Germans seriously when they go around calling the Devil a "toiffle".  Like seriously that word is far too whimsical
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