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New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« on: October 23, 2017, 06:41:52 am »
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The German publisher just revealed this card. It will be in spielbox magazine in November. I don't know about the English one (and my translation of the title is a pure guess).

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Source: http://forum.dominion-welt.de/viewtopic.php?f=2&p=4786#p4786
« Last Edit: October 23, 2017, 07:16:20 am by MrFrog »
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2017, 06:43:00 am »
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woah, nice surprise!
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2017, 06:50:28 am »
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Not that I don't believe you, but can you link the original source as reference as I can't find it on http://www.dominion-welt.de ?
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2017, 08:21:28 am »
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Works well (also) in shelter boards.
« Last Edit: October 23, 2017, 08:33:15 am by diedre91 »
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2017, 08:23:20 am »
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Works well in shelter boards.

How is it different in Shelter boards?
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2017, 08:26:53 am »
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Just confirming that this is official.
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2017, 08:33:41 am »
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Just confirming that this is official.

Confirming the English name also?
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #8 on: October 23, 2017, 08:35:28 am »
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Works well in shelter boards.

How is it different in Shelter boards?

You're right, not really. I got caught by the "1" and related to shelters without thinking.
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2017, 08:39:29 am »
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Just confirming that this is official.

Confirming the English name also?

No, just that it’s not a hoax, etc.
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #10 on: October 23, 2017, 08:46:28 am »
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And this one's actually a promo!
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #11 on: October 23, 2017, 09:20:56 am »
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Wow, on the same day as the previews even!  Looks like the Germans still like tiny text.

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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #12 on: October 23, 2017, 09:31:02 am »
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Wow, on the same day as the previews even!  Looks like the Germans still like tiny text.

Absolutely.

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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #13 on: October 23, 2017, 10:02:33 am »
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Just confirming that this is official.

Confirming the English name also?

No, just that it’s not a hoax, etc.

Demolish?
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #14 on: October 23, 2017, 10:10:32 am »
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Just confirming that this is official.

Confirming the English name also?

No, just that it’s not a hoax, etc.

Demolish?

Are you asking me? I’m sure there will be an official announcement for the English version at some point.
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #15 on: October 23, 2017, 10:39:47 am »
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Interesting. So in most cases, if you open with this you can trash an Estate for a Copper and a Gold. I'm not sure how good that is. Probably fine if you can open this / Forager or some other good treasure trasher. Otherwise, with a $2 Kingdom card, maybe it's worth trashing a Silver for a Gold plus that $2.

Trying to think of some other good combos, but Rats is the only thing that comes to mind.
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #16 on: October 23, 2017, 10:48:50 am »
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One of the more useful things to do with this is probably "discard a Gold to gain a card costing up to $5".
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #17 on: October 23, 2017, 10:51:18 am »
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Well, this is almost strictly better than Trader as a way to get rid of your starting deck, and I sure have used Trader for that so at the very least this won't be a completely useless card.
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #18 on: October 23, 2017, 11:26:17 am »
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #19 on: October 23, 2017, 12:00:32 pm »
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #20 on: October 23, 2017, 12:38:04 pm »
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Hm.... iiiiiiinteresting card.

Why does it have Empires-like art? Or maybe that was unintentional and the pillars just remind me of Empires.

At first glance, it doesn't look particularly good. Slowly trash your coppers and occasionally gain a...

Oh, wow, while typing I just realized this card's actual potential. The comment above me meant "trash" a Gold, not "discard" it.

So the strategy here is to keep trashing Golds to gain $5 cards and more Golds. So it's like Lurker in that it can slowly gain powerful cards. And then it can also trash coppers. You might want to get more than one: One to gain the good cards, the other to get rid of junk.
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #21 on: October 23, 2017, 01:01:13 pm »
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One of the more useful things to do with this is probably "discard a Gold to gain a card costing up to $5".
Woodcutter can also gain $5s in combination with Gold, just not midturn.
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #22 on: October 23, 2017, 01:06:34 pm »
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Oh, wow, while typing I just realized this card's actual potential. The comment above me meant "trash" a Gold, not "discard" it.

It threw me for a second, too. But, no, faust is right. Yeah, sure you actually trash a gold but you gain it right back into your discard pile. so, in effect, you are discarding a gold to gain a $5 card. I that it was a very apt description of the mechanic. Edge cases would only serve to enhance since trashing is actually taking place (Market Square, Rogue, etc.).
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #23 on: October 23, 2017, 01:15:33 pm »
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Woodcutter can also gain $5s in combination with Gold, just not midturn.

Which is why that crazy-OP card was removed in the 2nd edition.
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #24 on: October 23, 2017, 02:50:22 pm »
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The English version is called Dismantle and will be out whenever the German one is (meaning it will show up at the BGG store). RGG will air-ship some in order to have it at the right time (then more will show up the slow way later). Ours will of course have a bigger font.

Altenburger (the German publisher) wanted a promo for tournaments they're running over the next year. I don't see how that works with them getting it into Spielbox, but there it is.
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #25 on: October 23, 2017, 03:12:06 pm »
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The English version is called Dismantle

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« Reply #26 on: October 23, 2017, 03:25:42 pm »
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Why does it have Empires-like art? Or maybe that was unintentional and the pillars just remind me of Empires.

The art shows a person taking away stones from an ancient building for something else.

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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #27 on: October 23, 2017, 03:28:58 pm »
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Why does it have Empires-like art? Or maybe that was unintentional and the pillars just remind me of Empires.

The art shows a person taking away stones from an ancient building for something else.

Which is totally a thing that would happen.  A lot of European cathedrals built in medieval or Renaissance times were constructed from stones taken from Roman ruins.
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #28 on: October 23, 2017, 04:04:56 pm »
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Wow, they're pissing me off more and more: First they announce to wait a year before releasing Nocturne, then they make a new Promo and don't bring it to Essen, but only maek it available at tournaments which probably be 3 4p games with the same players and no expansion after Seaside again.
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #29 on: October 23, 2017, 04:37:18 pm »
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Wow, they're pissing me off more and more: First they announce to wait a year before releasing Nocturne, then they make a new Promo and don't bring it to Essen, but only maek it available at tournaments which probably be 3 4p games with the same players and no expansion after Seaside again.

Planning on releasing Nocturne any time soon?

"What? Nooooooo"
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #30 on: October 23, 2017, 05:31:00 pm »
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Wow, they're pissing me off more and more: First they announce to wait a year before releasing Nocturne, then they make a new Promo and don't bring it to Essen, but only make it available at tournaments which probably be 3 4p games with the same players and no expansion after Seaside again.

Yes, absolutely!
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #31 on: October 23, 2017, 05:49:33 pm »
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Wow, they're pissing me off more and more: First they announce to wait a year before releasing Nocturne, then they make a new Promo and don't bring it to Essen, but only maek it available at tournaments which probably be 3 4p games with the same players and no expansion after Seaside again.

What really annoys ME is that I repeatedly told them I was up to helping translate the cards for free (ASS has taken help from fans for a while now), and now they throw out half-assed verbatim translations one year before even planning to actually produce the cards. Devil's Workshop and Dismantle could have stuck with the Workshop and the German equivalent of the Remodel family names easily, but they messed that up, sadly.

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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #32 on: October 23, 2017, 05:55:32 pm »
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Wow, they're pissing me off more and more: First they announce to wait a year before releasing Nocturne, then they make a new Promo and don't bring it to Essen, but only maek it available at tournaments which probably be 3 4p games with the same players and no expansion after Seaside again.
You know what's really good for promoting Dominion? Expansions!

Which is to say, desperately needing a promo and then not putting Nocturne out for a year did not make much sense to me either.
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #33 on: October 23, 2017, 06:08:10 pm »
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They're blaming you / RGG for not telling them about the cards in time by the way. Sounds like a great reason to wait a year.
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #34 on: October 23, 2017, 06:48:38 pm »
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I also think it sucks they announce the promo the day of previews. I would have waited a week after Nocturne came out for the surprise factor, or at least after previews were done.
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #35 on: October 23, 2017, 06:52:33 pm »
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Wow, they're pissing me off more and more: First they announce to wait a year before releasing Nocturne, then they make a new Promo and don't bring it to Essen, but only maek it available at tournaments which probably be 3 4p games with the same players and no expansion after Seaside again.

What really annoys ME is that I repeatedly told them I was up to helping translate the cards for free (ASS has taken help from fans for a while now), and now they throw out half-assed verbatim translations one year before even planning to actually produce the cards. Devil's Workshop and Dismantle could have stuck with the Workshop and the German equivalent of the Remodel family names easily, but they messed that up, sadly.

I can't say anything about Dismantle, but Nocturne translations were done by your fellow Dominion players, in-house, for Shuffle iT.  They could have gone with Teufelswerkstatt, but they felt Giftkuche was more evocative, and I agree with them.
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #36 on: October 23, 2017, 07:11:08 pm »
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Wow, they're pissing me off more and more: First they announce to wait a year before releasing Nocturne, then they make a new Promo and don't bring it to Essen, but only maek it available at tournaments which probably be 3 4p games with the same players and no expansion after Seaside again.

What really annoys ME is that I repeatedly told them I was up to helping translate the cards for free (ASS has taken help from fans for a while now), and now they throw out half-assed verbatim translations one year before even planning to actually produce the cards. Devil's Workshop and Dismantle could have stuck with the Workshop and the German equivalent of the Remodel family names easily, but they messed that up, sadly.

I can't say anything about Dismantle, but Nocturne translations were done by your fellow Dominion players, in-house, for Shuffle iT.  They could have gone with Teufelswerkstatt, but they felt Giftkuche was more evocative, and I agree with them.

Which is why I would have translated it as "Teufelswerk". It's a pun.

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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #37 on: October 23, 2017, 07:12:39 pm »
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Which is why I would have translated it as "Teufelswerk". It's a pun.

Nice one.
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #38 on: October 24, 2017, 06:23:12 am »
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Wow, they're pissing me off more and more: First they announce to wait a year before releasing Nocturne, then they make a new Promo and don't bring it to Essen, but only make it available at tournaments which probably be 3 4p games with the same players and no expansion after Seaside again.

Yes, absolutely!
I hope for some German copies on BGG.

Why not just get a spielbox copy next month? It's only ~7€ in Germany and worth it even without the promo 😉
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #39 on: October 24, 2017, 11:58:01 am »
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I can confirm that the English version I'm looking at (that I got a while ago for translating) has the exact card text that MrFrog assumed.

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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #40 on: October 24, 2017, 12:26:04 pm »
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Wow, they're pissing me off more and more: First they announce to wait a year before releasing Nocturne, then they make a new Promo and don't bring it to Essen, but only make it available at tournaments which probably be 3 4p games with the same players and no expansion after Seaside again.

Yes, absolutely!
I hope for some German copies on BGG.

Why not just get a spielbox copy next month? It's only ~7€ in Germany and worth it even without the promo 😉

Actually, they announced they will also give it away via their Facebook and their forum somehow.

Do we have any information about when this'll be on ShiT?
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #41 on: October 24, 2017, 01:39:16 pm »
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Do we have any information about when this'll be on ShiT?

I'm guessing once it actually gets released. Not sure if that'll be when it gets released in German, or English, or both, or later because Stef has other things to do.
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #42 on: October 24, 2017, 04:16:58 pm »
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I want to destroy a Mantle.
"Which mantle?"
Dismantle.

Planning on releasing Nocturne any time soon?
"What? Nooooooo"

Man, you are absolutely destroying it (or should I say dismantling it) with these puns
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #43 on: October 24, 2017, 07:19:52 pm »
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It's soo disappointing, that this card is not distributed in Essen this year. Instead Altenburger decided to make Courtier a promo 😶
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #44 on: November 11, 2017, 11:38:04 am »
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It's soo disappointing, that this card is not distributed in Essen this year. Instead Altenburger decided to make Courtier a promo 😶

Wasn't it that they accidentally neglected including it in the 2nd edition copies? If that's true, it's more of a "fix" than it is a promo. (similar to English Pathfinding, but a worse mistake)

Edit: incidentally, the perspective makes it look loke he's reading something from a piece of grey cardboard while scratching his head. I had to read that he's carrying a stone before I could see it.
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #45 on: November 11, 2017, 12:54:43 pm »
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Wasn't it that they accidentally neglected including it in the 2nd edition copies? If that's true, it's more of a "fix" than it is a promo. (similar to English Pathfinding, but a worse mistake)
No, but the cards in the German Upgrade pack (Base+Intrigue combined) didn't fit onto one printing sheet, so they had to produce one card extra and decided to give it away as a promo card.
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« Reply #46 on: November 12, 2017, 07:38:24 am »
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I can see the card art becoming a 'what did I just read' meme on this site.
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« Reply #47 on: November 12, 2017, 12:18:14 pm »
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Edit: incidentally, the perspective makes it look loke he's reading something from a piece of grey cardboard while scratching his head. I had to read that he's carrying a stone before I could see it.

Wow, I just noticed that too. No matter, I am keeping my previous interpretation as cannon.
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #48 on: November 13, 2017, 12:36:07 pm »
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I can see the card art becoming a 'what did I just read' meme on this site.

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« Reply #49 on: November 13, 2017, 02:03:27 pm »
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Edit: incidentally, the perspective makes it look loke he's reading something from a piece of grey cardboard while scratching his head. I had to read that he's carrying a stone before I could see it.

Wow, I just noticed that too. No matter, I am keeping my previous interpretation as cannon.

Wow. Me, too.

I honestly never considered it was anything other than a guy looking at the demolition plans.

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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #50 on: November 13, 2017, 02:07:57 pm »
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Wow, they're pissing me off more and more: First they announce to wait a year before releasing Nocturne, then they make a new Promo and don't bring it to Essen, but only maek it available at tournaments which probably be 3 4p games with the same players and no expansion after Seaside again.

What really annoys ME is that I repeatedly told them I was up to helping translate the cards for free (ASS has taken help from fans for a while now), and now they throw out half-assed verbatim translations one year before even planning to actually produce the cards. Devil's Workshop and Dismantle could have stuck with the Workshop and the German equivalent of the Remodel family names easily, but they messed that up, sadly.

I can't say anything about Dismantle, but Nocturne translations were done by your fellow Dominion players, in-house, for Shuffle iT.  They could have gone with Teufelswerkstatt, but they felt Giftkuche was more evocative, and I agree with them.

Which is why I would have translated it as "Teufelswerk". It's a pun.

Any chance the pun can be explained those of us who know enough German to understand Teufel as devil, but remember work as Arbeit?
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« Reply #51 on: November 13, 2017, 04:57:10 pm »
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Wow, they're pissing me off more and more: First they announce to wait a year before releasing Nocturne, then they make a new Promo and don't bring it to Essen, but only maek it available at tournaments which probably be 3 4p games with the same players and no expansion after Seaside again.

What really annoys ME is that I repeatedly told them I was up to helping translate the cards for free (ASS has taken help from fans for a while now), and now they throw out half-assed verbatim translations one year before even planning to actually produce the cards. Devil's Workshop and Dismantle could have stuck with the Workshop and the German equivalent of the Remodel family names easily, but they messed that up, sadly.

I can't say anything about Dismantle, but Nocturne translations were done by your fellow Dominion players, in-house, for Shuffle iT.  They could have gone with Teufelswerkstatt, but they felt Giftkuche was more evocative, and I agree with them.

Which is why I would have translated it as "Teufelswerk". It's a pun.

Any chance the pun can be explained those of us who know enough German to understand Teufel as devil, but remember work as Arbeit?

"Werk" in "Teufelswerk" means a piece of work, like "Something the devil created". "Teufelswerk!" is what a medieval German person would exclaim when terrified over something that's apparently magic or of devilish nature (imagine a stereotypical movie where somebody travels back in time and shows king Arthur some king a lighter).

Either way, a "Werk" is also a place where things are being manufactured. And of course Workshop is "Werkstatt" in German. So "Teufelswerk" can be translated to "Something created by the Devil" and, on a more subtle level, as "Devil's Manufacture" or, well, "Devil's Workshop".

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« Reply #52 on: November 13, 2017, 11:57:29 pm »
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I just don't understand how anyone can take Germans seriously when they go around calling the Devil a "toiffle".  Like seriously that word is far too whimsical
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« Reply #53 on: November 14, 2017, 12:04:58 am »
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I just don't understand how anyone can take Germans seriously when they go around calling the Devil a "toiffle".  Like seriously that word is far too whimsical

At least his German name isn't D-evil. Far too obvious.  :P

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I just don't understand how anyone can take Germans seriously when they go around calling the Devil a "toiffle".  Like seriously that word is far too whimsical
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So... is there any knowledge yet about when (or if) this will be available on the BGG store?
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« Reply #56 on: November 25, 2017, 11:16:42 am »
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So... is there any knowledge yet about when (or if) this will be available on the BGG store?

I'm pretty sure it has to release in Germany first before the US which won't be until 2018
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« Reply #57 on: November 25, 2017, 02:12:50 pm »
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So... is there any knowledge yet about when (or if) this will be available on the BGG store?

I'm pretty sure it has to release in Germany first before the US which won't be until 2018
The initial plan was to wait for the German version and I don't know if Jay has revised that.
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So... is there any knowledge yet about when (or if) this will be available on the BGG store?

I'm pretty sure it has to release in Germany first before the US which won't be until 2018
The initial plan was to wait for the German version and I don't know if Jay has revised that.

Is there any chance previous promos will be available in 2nd edition form by the time it's available?
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« Reply #59 on: November 25, 2017, 04:34:17 pm »
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Is there any chance previous promos will be available in 2nd edition form by the time it's available?
The new versions of the promos all exist, and I personally have them all. How quickly they go out is down to stock running out. I have no prediction there; I don't know how many of each there are or how quickly they tend to sell.
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« Reply #60 on: November 25, 2017, 04:49:29 pm »
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Is there any chance previous promos will be available in 2nd edition form by the time it's available?
The new versions of the promos all exist, and I personally have them all. How quickly they go out is down to stock running out. I have no prediction there; I don't know how many of each there are or how quickly they tend to sell.

I'm just glad the new versions of Black Market and Envoy are already in the store, since those are the ones that actually contained errors. I guess you could argue that Stash now contains "errors" as well, but somehow that doesn't seem as bad.
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« Reply #61 on: November 25, 2017, 04:50:18 pm »
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Is there any chance previous promos will be available in 2nd edition form by the time it's available?
The new versions of the promos all exist, and I personally have them all. How quickly they go out is down to stock running out. I have no prediction there; I don't know how many of each there are or how quickly they tend to sell.

I'm just glad the new versions of Black Market and Envoy are already in the store, since those are the ones that actually contained errors. I guess you could argue that Stash now contains "errors" as well, but somehow that doesn't seem as bad.

I don't think I've ever used Stash in an IRL game.
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« Reply #62 on: November 25, 2017, 05:33:03 pm »
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I don't think I've ever used Stash in an IRL game.

I still fondly remember the day when my wife (then fiancé) brought Stash home after picking it up at the local game store. Ah, the excitement! And of course we weren't expert Dominion players, so the fact that it was super weak didn't matter. It's such a novel card, even today.
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« Reply #64 on: December 02, 2017, 07:15:28 am »
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There are 100 sets of 'Abbruch' available via ASS's Facebook page today: https://www.facebook.com/ASS.Spielkarten/app/182540901938662
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« Reply #65 on: December 02, 2017, 03:14:03 pm »
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There are 100 sets of 'Abbruch' available via ASS's Facebook page today: https://www.facebook.com/ASS.Spielkarten/app/182540901938662
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« Reply #66 on: December 02, 2017, 04:28:12 pm »
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Apparently its also out with the Spielbox magazine.
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« Reply #67 on: December 04, 2017, 02:52:09 pm »
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« Reply #68 on: December 06, 2017, 01:45:34 pm »
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My copy of Dismantle has shipped. Hoping it arrives by the weekend.

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« Reply #69 on: December 06, 2017, 03:12:29 pm »
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My copy of Dismantle has shipped.

As has mine. Hooray! I think I'll slot it into Empires, along with Sauna/Avanto. Empires has such a dearth of $4 cards, although it does have a glut of cheap trashers. Hmmm…
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« Reply #70 on: December 06, 2017, 04:30:13 pm »
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Mine shipped as well. I have all of Dominion sorted alphabetically, and I planned ahead by making a spot for it when I reorganized for Nocturne.
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« Reply #71 on: December 06, 2017, 07:53:19 pm »
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Mine shipped as well. I have all of Dominion sorted alphabetically, and I planned ahead by making a spot for it when I reorganized for Nocturne.

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« Reply #72 on: December 06, 2017, 09:29:51 pm »
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Mine shipped as well. I have all of Dominion sorted alphabetically, and I planned ahead by making a spot for it when I reorganized for Nocturne.

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« Reply #73 on: December 07, 2017, 04:32:05 am »
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One of these days, I'm gonna write a browser extension just to make sure I don't have to see these jokes anymore. There was a time they were not funny anymore, and a time they were tedious. By now I cringe so hard every time I see them that it gives me almost physical pain.

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« Reply #74 on: December 07, 2017, 05:22:25 am »
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On topic: Dismantle should be on ShuffleIt next week.

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« Reply #75 on: December 07, 2017, 12:24:29 pm »
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One of these days, I'm gonna write a browser extension just to make sure I don't have to see these jokes anymore. There was a time they were not funny anymore, and a time they were tedious. By now I cringe so hard every time I see them that it gives me almost physical pain.

No amount of 'beating a dead horse to death' has ever stopped this forum from continuing with awful jokes. That why I was so surprised I hadn't seen any. If you write such an extension, I will gladly use it.
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« Reply #76 on: December 07, 2017, 02:20:39 pm »
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If you can write such an extension, you should get in touch with AI developers, I hear they are stuck with NLP algorithms :p
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« Reply #77 on: December 07, 2017, 02:40:21 pm »
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It would be easier to simply write a bot that automatically makes these kinds of jokes, so that the rest of us don't have to.
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« Reply #78 on: December 07, 2017, 02:50:08 pm »
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That why I was so surprised I hadn't seen any.

Are you implying that jokes on the card name "Mine" are not awful or that you did not see them?

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« Reply #79 on: December 07, 2017, 03:18:07 pm »
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« Reply #80 on: December 07, 2017, 05:39:37 pm »
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It would be easier to simply write a bot that automatically makes these kinds of jokes, so that the rest of us don't have to.

...you know, that COULD be doable.  Just scan the forums for mine or mint, find something to say...
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« Reply #81 on: December 07, 2017, 07:51:22 pm »
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Mine jokes won't cease to be funny until we start to see random non-Dominion people make them.

I hate when people steal mine jokes, whether they're Dominion people or not.
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« Reply #82 on: December 07, 2017, 09:58:00 pm »
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If you can write such an extension, you should get in touch with AI developers, I hear they are stuck with NLP algorithms :p

Having an AI search through these jokes would raise ethical concerns. The poor machine.

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« Reply #83 on: December 08, 2017, 08:53:47 am »
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I like Dominion Card name puns, Mine has just gotten a little stale since it's the lowest hanging fruit. I mean, I still laugh and give it a "respect", so I don't find them as stale as Asper does I guess.

If anybody were to make a browser extension that removes these puns, I'd like to know what your solution to the Scunthorpe Problem is ;)
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« Reply #84 on: December 08, 2017, 09:55:07 am »
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If anybody were to make a browser extension that removes these puns, I'd like to know what your solution to the Scunthorpe Problem is ;)

Yeah, that might undermine attempts to naively search for a list of predetermined words. There's a potential minefield of issues to avoid, so you'd probably have to examine a lot of cases and hope for that to illumine some of the imminent pitfalls; then use that data to find the preeminent solution. A determined programmer could get it done without experiencing too much gloominess, but I wouldn't want to be the nominee.
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« Reply #85 on: December 08, 2017, 10:31:02 am »
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Yeah, that might undermine attempts to naively search for a list of predetermined words.

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« Reply #86 on: December 08, 2017, 12:26:14 pm »
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Yeah, that might undermine attempts to naively search for a list of predetermined words.

What does undermint mean?

90% of the Mint/Mine jokes are like this: Very short posts, coming directly after and/or quoting a post that contains one of the words, having moderate respect. There are two or three subtypes of this, for example such as the one we see, where the quoter swaps which word is used. Or, also popular, such where "mine" is used as the regular word for "my stuff" in the original post, and then the "funny" post writes it capitalized and mentiones Treasures, Engines or a Dominion edition.

Even if I just removed all short posts which mention either card and come right after another post which mentions one of them, as long as I exclude, say, the rules question, puzzle and all Base- or Prosperity-specific threads, I feel there's a low chance of false positives. Nobody talks about Mine or Mint. Going into a case destinction to look for one of the ~3 types of these jokes should probably allow to also apply them to forums where a mention of Mine or Mint is not incredibly unlikely.

Point in case: My post is too long to be a punchline.

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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #87 on: December 08, 2017, 03:27:56 pm »
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But Mine isn't.

Sorry, I couldn't resist that opportunity.
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #88 on: December 08, 2017, 05:45:25 pm »
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Yeah, that might undermine attempts to naively search for a list of predetermined words.

What does undermint mean?

90% of the Mint/Mine jokes are like this: Very short posts, coming directly after and/or quoting a post that contains one of the words, having moderate respect. There are two or three subtypes of this, for example such as the one we see, where the quoter swaps which word is used. Or, also popular, such where "mine" is used as the regular word for "my stuff" in the original post, and then the "funny" post writes it capitalized and mentiones Treasures, Engines or a Dominion edition.

Even if I just removed all short posts which mention either card and come right after another post which mentions one of them, as long as I exclude, say, the rules question, puzzle and all Base- or Prosperity-specific threads, I feel there's a low chance of false positives. Nobody talks about Mine or Mint. Going into a case destinction to look for one of the ~3 types of these jokes should probably allow to also apply them to forums where a mention of Mine or Mint is not incredibly unlikely.

Point in case: My post is too long to be a punchline.

I'm glad I could be your visual aid.  That was actually my first and most likely my last mine joke ever! You guys should be so proud
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #89 on: December 08, 2017, 06:36:20 pm »
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Yeah, that might undermine attempts to naively search for a list of predetermined words.

What does undermint mean?

90% of the Mint/Mine jokes are like this: Very short posts, coming directly after and/or quoting a post that contains one of the words, having moderate respect. There are two or three subtypes of this, for example such as the one we see, where the quoter swaps which word is used. Or, also popular, such where "mine" is used as the regular word for "my stuff" in the original post, and then the "funny" post writes it capitalized and mentiones Treasures, Engines or a Dominion edition.

Even if I just removed all short posts which mention either card and come right after another post which mentions one of them, as long as I exclude, say, the rules question, puzzle and all Base- or Prosperity-specific threads, I feel there's a low chance of false positives. Nobody talks about Mine or Mint. Going into a case destinction to look for one of the ~3 types of these jokes should probably allow to also apply them to forums where a mention of Mine or Mint is not incredibly unlikely.

Point in case: My post is too long to be a punchline.

I'm glad I could be your visual aid.  That was actually my first and most likely my last mine joke ever! You guys should be so proud

But you can still make Mint jokes.
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #90 on: December 09, 2017, 09:56:49 am »
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But you can still make Mint jokes.

But who can tell the difference?
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #91 on: December 09, 2017, 10:17:54 am »
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Yeah, that might undermine attempts to naively search for a list of predetermined words.

What does undermint mean?

90% of the Mint/Mine jokes are like this: Very short posts, coming directly after and/or quoting a post that contains one of the words, having moderate respect. There are two or three subtypes of this, for example such as the one we see, where the quoter swaps which word is used. Or, also popular, such where "mine" is used as the regular word for "my stuff" in the original post, and then the "funny" post writes it capitalized and mentiones Treasures, Engines or a Dominion edition.

Even if I just removed all short posts which mention either card and come right after another post which mentions one of them, as long as I exclude, say, the rules question, puzzle and all Base- or Prosperity-specific threads, I feel there's a low chance of false positives. Nobody talks about Mine or Mint. Going into a case destinction to look for one of the ~3 types of these jokes should probably allow to also apply them to forums where a mention of Mine or Mint is not incredibly unlikely.

Point in case: My post is too long to be a punchline.

More accurately, 90-93% of the Mine/Mint jokes.
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #92 on: December 09, 2017, 10:37:41 am »
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If you can write such an extension, you should get in touch with AI developers, I hear they are stuck with NLP algorithms :p

Having an AI search through these jokes would raise ethical concerns. The poor machine.

The Dutch translation of mining village, when pronounced, is a homonym for 'my village'.
Nearly every time someone plays a mining village someone will ask 'whose village'?

Dutch mining village reskin please.
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #93 on: December 09, 2017, 12:41:18 pm »
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If you can write such an extension, you should get in touch with AI developers, I hear they are stuck with NLP algorithms :p

Having an AI search through these jokes would raise ethical concerns. The poor machine.

The Dutch translation of mining village, when pronounced, is a homonym for 'my village'.
Nearly every time someone plays a mining village someone will ask 'whose village'?

Dutch mining village reskin please.

Every year at my wife's family reunion, we play Bingo. Every time B4 is called out, the older members shout out "Before what?"

Naturally, this has led the sarcastic younger members to start doing it for everything except B4, as in "B6 what?", etc. The sarcastic response was funny for a while, but now it's just as stale as the B4 thing. As is always the case with a sarcasm arms race, it got ramped up to such absurd levels that now some people do it for every letter/number, like "I18 what?"

As if Bingo wasn't a bad enough game already...
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #94 on: December 09, 2017, 12:49:22 pm »
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If you can write such an extension, you should get in touch with AI developers, I hear they are stuck with NLP algorithms :p

Having an AI search through these jokes would raise ethical concerns. The poor machine.

The Dutch translation of mining village, when pronounced, is a homonym for 'my village'.
Nearly every time someone plays a mining village someone will ask 'whose village'?

Dutch mining village reskin please.

Every year at my wife's family reunion, we play Bingo. Every time B4 is called out, the older members shout out "Before what?"

Naturally, this has led the sarcastic younger members to start doing it for everything except B4, as in "B6 what?", etc. The sarcastic response was funny for a while, but now it's just as stale as the B4 thing. As is always the case with a sarcasm arms race, it got ramped up to such absurd levels that now some people do it for every letter/number, like "I18 what?"

As if Bingo wasn't a bad enough game already...

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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #95 on: December 11, 2017, 05:42:18 am »
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I haven't spotted a FAQ for this card, so I made this myself:

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First you trash a card from your hand, if you have any. If the trashed card has any on-trashed abilities (like Hunting Grounds from Dominion: Dark Ages), or you have an on-trash Reaction such as Market Square (from Dominion: Dark Ages), you resolve them now. Then you check the cost of the trashed card, applying any cost-reducing effects, like that of Bridge (from Dominion: Intrigue) or Highway (from Dominion: Hinterlands) - if the card costs $1 or more, you gain a cheaper card and a Gold. The gained cards must come from the Supply. If there is no cheaper card in the Supply, you still gain a Gold (if available) and vice versa. Cards costing just a Potion (from Dominion: Alchemy) or just Debt (from Dominion: Empires) do not cost $1 or more, so you gain no cards if you trash them. If you do not trash a card, you gain nothing.

Too wordy?
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #96 on: December 11, 2017, 08:06:44 am »
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Some potion cards do cost 1 or more, i.e. Alchemist costs more than Silver.
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #97 on: December 11, 2017, 08:09:35 am »
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That's why I wrote "just a Potion" (having Transmute and Vineyard in mind) and "just Debt" (having Engineer, City Quarter, Overlord, and Royal Blacksmith in mind).
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #98 on: December 11, 2017, 08:11:46 am »
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That's why I wrote "just a Potion" (having Transmute and Vineyard in mind) and "just Debt" (having Engineer, City Quarter, Overlord, and Royal Blacksmith in mind).

Well that's not true either, Alchemist doesn't cost less (or more) than Duchy.
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #99 on: December 11, 2017, 08:26:12 am »
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That's why I wrote "just a Potion" (having Transmute and Vineyard in mind) and "just Debt" (having Engineer, City Quarter, Overlord, and Royal Blacksmith in mind).

Well that's not true either, Alchemist doesn't cost less (or more) than Duchy.
What is untrue in this statement "Cards costing just a Potion or just Debt do not cost $1 or more, so you gain no cards if you trash them." (in Dismantle context of course) - where "just X" means "no cost in coins, but in X only"?
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #100 on: December 11, 2017, 08:57:48 am »
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That's why I wrote "just a Potion" (having Transmute and Vineyard in mind) and "just Debt" (having Engineer, City Quarter, Overlord, and Royal Blacksmith in mind).

Well that's not true either, Alchemist doesn't cost less (or more) than Duchy.
What is untrue in this statement "Cards costing just a Potion or just Debt do not cost $1 or more, so you gain no cards if you trash them." (in Dismantle context of course) - where "just X" means "no cost in coins, but in X only"?

Nothing.
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #101 on: December 11, 2017, 09:31:11 am »
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That's why I wrote "just a Potion" (having Transmute and Vineyard in mind) and "just Debt" (having Engineer, City Quarter, Overlord, and Royal Blacksmith in mind).
Well that's not true either, Alchemist doesn't cost less (or more) than Duchy.
What is untrue in this statement "Cards costing just a Potion or just Debt do not cost $1 or more, so you gain no cards if you trash them." (in Dismantle context of course) - where "just X" means "no cost in coins, but in X only"?

Sorry I get what you're saying now, I was thrown by the wording. I don't know how I'd word it, but I might just say "ignore potion and debt".
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #102 on: December 11, 2017, 09:36:49 am »
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I haven't spotted a FAQ for this card, so I made this myself:

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First you trash a card from your hand, if you have any. If the trashed card has any on-trashed abilities (like Hunting Grounds from Dominion: Dark Ages), or you have an on-trash Reaction such as Market Square (from Dominion: Dark Ages), you resolve them now. Then you check the cost of the trashed card, applying any cost-reducing effects, like that of Bridge (from Dominion: Intrigue) or Highway (from Dominion: Hinterlands) - if the card costs $1 or more, you gain a cheaper card and a Gold. The gained cards must come from the Supply. If there is no cheaper card in the Supply, you still gain a Gold (if available) and vice versa. Cards costing just a Potion (from Dominion: Alchemy) or just Debt (from Dominion: Empires) do not cost $1 or more, so you gain no cards if you trash them. If you do not trash a card, you gain nothing.

Too wordy?

Yeah, that's too wordy. Let me take a crack at editing it.

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If there is no cheaper card in the Supply, you still gain a Gold (if available) and vice versa. Cards costing just a Potion (from Dominion: Alchemy) or just Debt (from Dominion: Empires) do not cost $1 or more, so you gain no cards if you trash them. If you do not trash a card, you gain nothing.
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #103 on: December 12, 2017, 02:46:45 am »
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Yeah, that's too wordy. Let me take a crack at editing it.

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If there is no cheaper card in the Supply, you still gain a Gold (if available) and vice versa. Cards costing just a Potion (from Dominion: Alchemy) or just Debt (from Dominion: Empires) do not cost $1 or more, so you gain no cards if you trash them. If you do not trash a card, you gain nothing.

Add one sentence about the cost maybe? Changeling has similar one.

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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #104 on: December 13, 2017, 01:48:14 pm »
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I got my copy of Dismantle today.  Scans of it, and the second edition versions of Envoy and Black Market, are now on the wiki.
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #105 on: December 13, 2017, 04:43:23 pm »
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And I just played a game with it on ShuffleIt
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #106 on: December 13, 2017, 07:58:33 pm »
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I just played a game with it on my card table!
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #107 on: December 20, 2017, 05:47:16 am »
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Just got my Dutch one in the mail.
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #108 on: January 18, 2018, 06:58:20 am »
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I can't say anything about Dismantle, but Nocturne translations were done by your fellow Dominion players, in-house, for Shuffle iT.  They could have gone with Teufelswerkstatt, but they felt Giftkuche was more evocative, and I agree with them.

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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #109 on: January 18, 2018, 12:11:25 pm »
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Altenburger also wanted the world champion for this coming year to get to make a card. We said no! We are willing to put their face on a card, that is as far as we will go. However, as it happens, Adam is the current world champion. So a world champion did get to design a card.

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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #110 on: January 19, 2018, 06:50:46 pm »
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Here's my go at a FAQ:

Trashing is not optional.  If you trash a card costing , or if you have no cards left in hand to trash, nothing else happens.  If you trash a card costing or more, you gain a cheaper card and a Gold.  Both come from the Supply, and are put into your discard pile.  The cheaper card goes into your discard pile first.  For example, if you trash a Silver (costing ), you could gain an Estate (costing ).  There will almost always be a cheaper card in the Supply, since Copper and Curse cost , but if there aren't any, you still gain a Gold.  If there aren't any Gold left in the Supply, you still gain the cheaper card.  Cards that cost only (like Transmute from Alchemy) or only (like Engineer from Empires) do not cost or more.
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #111 on: January 19, 2018, 08:22:51 pm »
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Cards that cost only (like Transmute from Alchemy) or only (like Engineer from Empires) do not cost or more.

...But cards that have alongside either or in their cost, like Alchemist or Fortune, do cost or more.
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Re: New German Promo 'Abbruch'
« Reply #112 on: January 19, 2018, 08:44:08 pm »
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Cards that cost only (like Transmute from Alchemy) or only (like Engineer from Empires) do not cost or more.

...But cards that have alongside either or in their cost, like Alchemist or Fortune, do cost or more.

I'm just wondering if that additional clause is exactly necessary.
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