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Re: Is there any update on Nocturne?
« Reply #100 on: October 26, 2017, 09:06:19 am »
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"Gain card x" means "Gain card x from the Supply".
Yes, but...

...why not just say "Gain card x" means "Gain card x from its Pile"? How is that not simple and obvious and identical in meaning for all existing cases where something just says "Gain an X"?
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Re: Is there any update on Nocturne?
« Reply #101 on: October 26, 2017, 09:46:27 am »
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"Gain card x" means "Gain card x from the Supply".
Yes, but...

...why not just say "Gain card x" means "Gain card x from its Pile"? How is that not simple and obvious and identical in meaning for all existing cases where something just says "Gain an X"?

You mean like, "Gain a card costing up to $4"? I'll just take that Fugitive, thank you very much.
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Re: Is there any update on Nocturne?
« Reply #102 on: October 26, 2017, 10:10:51 am »
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There was a delay shipping the trays, and we now expect Nocturne to ship (from RGG) on November 13.
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Re: Is there any update on Nocturne?
« Reply #103 on: October 26, 2017, 11:04:34 am »
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...why not just say "Gain card x" means "Gain card x from its Pile"?
You mean like, "Gain a card costing up to $4"? I'll just take that Fugitive, thank you very much.
Nono. "Gain an X" == from its Pile. "Gain a card" == from the Supply.

It might look a little wonky, but I suspect it's intuitive enough that it would cause less confusion overall.
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Re: Is there any update on Nocturne?
« Reply #104 on: October 26, 2017, 11:07:27 am »
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...why not just say "Gain card x" means "Gain card x from its Pile"?
You mean like, "Gain a card costing up to $4"? I'll just take that Fugitive, thank you very much.
Nono. "Gain an X" == from its Pile. "Gain a card" == from the Supply.

It might look a little wonky, but I suspect it's intuitive enough that it would cause less confusion overall.

Well it was considered for this set. In the end Donald X. stuck with specifically calling out sources that aren't the Supply, albeit with fewer words ("its pile").
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Re: Is there any update on Nocturne?
« Reply #105 on: October 26, 2017, 12:32:54 pm »
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Nono. "Gain an X" == from its Pile. "Gain a card" == from the Supply.

It might look a little wonky, but I suspect it's intuitive enough that it would cause less confusion overall.

I think that could work, but there would still be cases where people could get confused, like Pilgrimage, Smugglers and others that say "gain a copy".

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Re: Is there any update on Nocturne?
« Reply #106 on: October 26, 2017, 01:09:09 pm »
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As I have said elsewhere, the release date is hinging on the plastic trays arriving by boat.
Wild speculation: this suggests the plastic tray is somehow different from that used by other Dominion sets/expansions?
It's the Dark Ages tray. There is incentive not to make new ones.

Ooh so there's a 20 card pile to go in the Rats slot

Schrödinger's Cat
$π - Action

This pile is both empty and not empty.

Until you try to gain a Card from it.
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Re: Is there any update on Nocturne?
« Reply #107 on: October 26, 2017, 04:22:08 pm »
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Nono. "Gain an X" == from its Pile. "Gain a card" == from the Supply.

It might look a little wonky, but I suspect it's intuitive enough that it would cause less confusion overall.
The main reason not to say "being told to gain a card by name works even if it's not in the supply" at this point is the precedent of not doing it, including all those revised editions of expansions. It is a slightly tricky rule to explain but seems mostly okay otherwise. I might have done it if I'd thought of it before everything got revised.

There is a corner case, which is, lots of cards gain the base cards. And you often have more of them than you're using; it's a 2-player game, we're only using 10 Curses, they ran out, but wait there are more in the box. So you would need to exempt the base cards.
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Re: Is there any update on Nocturne?
« Reply #108 on: October 26, 2017, 04:36:08 pm »
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Schrödinger's Cat
$π - Action

This pile is both empty and not empty.

Until you try to gain a Card from it.

"When you would gain this card, flip a coin. If heads, return the card to the supply pile instead of gaining"
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Re: Is there any update on Nocturne?
« Reply #109 on: October 27, 2017, 10:34:23 am »
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The main reason not to say "being told to gain a card by name works even if it's not in the supply" at this point is the precedent of not doing it, including all those revised editions of expansions. It is a slightly tricky rule to explain but seems mostly okay otherwise. I might have done it if I'd thought of it before everything got revised.

There is a corner case, which is, lots of cards gain the base cards. And you often have more of them than you're using; it's a 2-player game, we're only using 10 Curses, they ran out, but wait there are more in the box. So you would need to exempt the base cards.

It would not be enough to exempt base cards, because in 2-player games several Kingdom Victory cards would also be in the box (although I think at present only Small Castle's "gain a Castle" would cause a problem). You would have to define exact setup rules for which cards are included in the game. ("If any card in the game mentions gaining a specific non-Kingdom card, include the pile of that non-Kingdom card."*)

*Edit: Doesn't work for Tournament and Exorcist (at least). You would also have to talk about gaining a specific type of card.
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Re: Is there any update on Nocturne?
« Reply #110 on: October 27, 2017, 11:10:01 am »
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A similar issue is why taking Deluded, Envious, or Miserable can't mean taking one away from another player. Fool has you take Lost in the Woods away from other players. I guess there's probably just a thing in the rulebook that says, "Hey, there's only one Lost in the Woods and you take it away from someone if they have it. But take those other things from their piles; they're different."

(Obligatory edge case for why you would ever want to take a Hex state away from an opponent: your opponent already has Deluded and you want to give him Envious so he can't afford the last Province. I got nothin' for Misery, though. Kingmaking? Showing off?)

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Re: Is there any update on Nocturne?
« Reply #111 on: October 29, 2017, 07:27:15 pm »
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I got nothin' for Misery, though.

4 player game. The player to your left plays the attack and you take the Misery from the player to his left to make him believe he could win the game by buying the last Province (he's  7 points behind you with Misery and only 5 without). However, if he buys the Province, this will enable you to trash a Fool's Gold and boost your Palace score by 3 for the win. If he doesn't buy the Province, the player to his left would be able to do it, but as he has only two less points than you currently do, you wouldn't be able to catch up with him even if you trash the Fool's Gold. So you really want that ex-miserable player to buy the Province. As to why he'd fall for it, he thinks you're just showing off because you lost track of his Treasure points.

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Re: Is there any update on Nocturne?
« Reply #112 on: November 09, 2017, 11:06:01 am »
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Do we have a better guess at when we'll see this?   have the trays come in?

Just rather excited for it
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Re: Is there any update on Nocturne?
« Reply #113 on: November 09, 2017, 11:16:35 am »
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I haven't heard anything new since...

There was a delay shipping the trays, and we now expect Nocturne to ship (from RGG) on November 13.

...so the wait is almost over.
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Re: Is there any update on Nocturne?
« Reply #114 on: November 09, 2017, 04:35:24 pm »
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I haven't heard anything new since...

There was a delay shipping the trays, and we now expect Nocturne to ship (from RGG) on November 13.

...so the wait is almost over.
I have no new information.
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Re: Is there any update on Nocturne?
« Reply #115 on: November 11, 2017, 05:48:46 am »
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RGG now expects stores to get copies Thursday or Friday (Nov 16-17), depending on where they are in the country. There won't be a "street date," they will just be allowed to sell them when they get them in.
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Re: Is there any update on Nocturne?
« Reply #116 on: November 11, 2017, 06:17:10 am »
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Also:
Quote from: Stef on the ShiT forums
Nocturne will go live on Thursday 16th around 10:00 UTC.
That should be the same day physical stores start selling it.
http://forum.shuffleit.nl/index.php?topic=2036.msg10720#msg10720

That is November 16, 2017, 05:00:00 am (in your forum display time)
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Re: Is there any update on Nocturne?
« Reply #117 on: November 11, 2017, 03:45:42 pm »
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Oh good. With any luck my pre-order will be delivered by my birthday! :)
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Re: Is there any update on Nocturne?
« Reply #118 on: November 13, 2017, 12:29:05 am »
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There was a delay shipping the trays, and we now expect Nocturne to ship (from RGG) on November 13.

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Re: Is there any update on Nocturne?
« Reply #119 on: November 13, 2017, 10:08:14 am »
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There was a delay shipping the trays, and we now expect Nocturne to ship (from RGG) on November 13.

My birthday!

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Happy birthday! :)

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Re: Is there any update on Nocturne?
« Reply #120 on: November 13, 2017, 10:34:24 am »
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There was a delay shipping the trays, and we now expect Nocturne to ship (from RGG) on November 13.

My birthday!

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Happy birthday! :)

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Re: Is there any update on Nocturne?
« Reply #121 on: November 13, 2017, 05:25:07 pm »
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There was a delay shipping the trays, and we now expect Nocturne to ship (from RGG) on November 13.

My birthday!

Me too!

Happy birthday, guys!
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Re: Is there any update on Nocturne?
« Reply #122 on: November 13, 2017, 06:01:56 pm »
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Re: Is there any update on Nocturne?
« Reply #123 on: November 13, 2017, 06:35:20 pm »
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Re: Is there any update on Nocturne?
« Reply #124 on: November 13, 2017, 06:40:37 pm »
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And a very merry unbirthday to the rest of us.

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