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Question: Throne Room + Trash this.
« on: September 27, 2017, 06:51:35 pm »
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Hi, all, quick question:

If I Throne Room a card that says "Trash this card. If you do, take 2 VP Tokens", what happens?

Do I get 2 or 4 VP Tokens?

Precedent for this would be Mining Village, I think.
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Re: Question: Throne Room + Trash this.
« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2017, 06:53:41 pm »
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If it says "If you do", you take 2 VP.  If doesn't, you take 4 VP.
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Re: Question: Throne Room + Trash this.
« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2017, 07:01:26 pm »
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Compare the way Feast and Mining Village work when Throned.  Feast you get the two $5 cards, Mining Village you only get +$2 because it has the "if you do" clause.
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Re: Question: Throne Room + Trash this.
« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2017, 09:28:56 pm »
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With the updated wordings in 2nd edition, “if you do” is somewhat deprecated in favor of just “for”.

Text that takes 2 VP in this scenario would likely read:

Trash this for +2VP.

Otherwise, it would probably say:

+2VP
Trash this.
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Re: Question: Throne Room + Trash this.
« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2017, 09:22:16 am »
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Apparently, all official cards using "for" or "to" wordings are optional, that is "You may trash this for +2Vp.". All mandatory cards apparently still use the older "if you do" wording: "Trash this. If you do: +2VP."

I used to not care about this because I feel it's a Dominion specific thing, but people insisted it was misleading to write "Discard a card to draw a card.". Make of this what you wish.

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Re: Question: Throne Room + Trash this.
« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2017, 09:32:00 am »
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Apparently, all official cards using "for" or "to" wordings are optional, that is "You may trash this for +2Vp.". All mandatory cards apparently still use the older "if you do" wording: "Trash this. If you do, +2VP."
Vault and Storeroom say "Discard any number of cards for + each", but otherwise that's right based on the ShuffleIT card texts.
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Re: Question: Throne Room + Trash this.
« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2017, 09:32:27 am »
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Apparently, all official cards using "for" or "to" wordings are optional, that is "You may trash this for +2Vp.". All mandatory cards apparently still use the older "if you do" wording: "Trash this. If you do: +2VP."

I used to not care about this because I feel it's a Dominion specific thing, but people insisted it was misleading to write "Discard a card to draw a card.". Make of this what you wish.

I tried to find an example of a mandatory card with updated wording AND conditional effect and I actually could not. Which example are you referring to?
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Re: Question: Throne Room + Trash this.
« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2017, 09:37:07 am »
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Apparently, all official cards using "for" or "to" wordings are optional, that is "You may trash this for +2Vp.". All mandatory cards apparently still use the older "if you do" wording: "Trash this. If you do: +2VP."

I used to not care about this because I feel it's a Dominion specific thing, but people insisted it was misleading to write "Discard a card to draw a card.". Make of this what you wish.

I tried to find an example of a mandatory card with updated wording AND conditional effect and I actually could not. Which example are you referring to?
Trading Post: "Trash 2 cards from your hand. If you did, gain a Silver to your hand."

Also things like Triumph and Summon.
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Re: Question: Throne Room + Trash this.
« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2017, 11:44:33 am »
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Excellent, thank you.
In my Antiquities Fanspansion, I have an altVP with "Trash to gain VPs" and didn't want it to be King's Court + altVP = 5 billion points.
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Re: Question: Throne Room + Trash this.
« Reply #9 on: September 28, 2017, 12:23:29 pm »
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Excellent, thank you.
In my Antiquities Fanspansion, I have an altVP with "Trash to gain VPs" and didn't want it to be King's Court + altVP = 5 billion points.

Meh. People are always freaking out over cards being strong with King's Court. Cards are strong with King's Court. That's what King's Court does. Like Possession and Fortress, you should usually ignore if something feels overpowered with that card, unless it's downright broken (which admittedly is a matter of perception, but I wouldn't call +4 more VP broken).

Either way, have you compared your card to Distand Lands yet?

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Re: Question: Throne Room + Trash this.
« Reply #10 on: September 28, 2017, 12:31:26 pm »
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Excellent, thank you.
In my Antiquities Fanspansion, I have an altVP with "Trash to gain VPs" and didn't want it to be King's Court + altVP = 5 billion points.

Meh. People are always freaking out over cards being strong with King's Court. Cards are strong with King's Court. That's what King's Court does. Like Possession and Fortress, you should usually ignore if something feels overpowered with that card, unless it's downright broken (which admittedly is a matter of perception, but I wouldn't call +4 more VP broken).

Either way, have you compared your card to Distand Lands yet?

I dunno, Donald added extra words to Tactician just to nerf the interaction with Throne Room. And there's plenty of effects stronger than Throne Room + Tactician (if it worked).
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Re: Question: Throne Room + Trash this.
« Reply #11 on: September 28, 2017, 02:14:43 pm »
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Excellent, thank you.
In my Antiquities Fanspansion, I have an altVP with "Trash to gain VPs" and didn't want it to be King's Court + altVP = 5 billion points.

Meh. People are always freaking out over cards being strong with King's Court. Cards are strong with King's Court. That's what King's Court does. Like Possession and Fortress, you should usually ignore if something feels overpowered with that card, unless it's downright broken (which admittedly is a matter of perception, but I wouldn't call +4 more VP broken).

Either way, have you compared your card to Distand Lands yet?

I dunno, Donald added extra words to Tactician just to nerf the interaction with Throne Room. And there's plenty of effects stronger than Throne Room + Tactician (if it worked).

Isn't this actually the interaction between Tactician and an otherwise empty hand? There are lots of ways to achieve this other than Throne Room.

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Re: Question: Throne Room + Trash this.
« Reply #12 on: September 28, 2017, 03:40:06 pm »
+1

Excellent, thank you.
In my Antiquities Fanspansion, I have an altVP with "Trash to gain VPs" and didn't want it to be King's Court + altVP = 5 billion points.

Meh. People are always freaking out over cards being strong with King's Court. Cards are strong with King's Court. That's what King's Court does. Like Possession and Fortress, you should usually ignore if something feels overpowered with that card, unless it's downright broken (which admittedly is a matter of perception, but I wouldn't call +4 more VP broken).

Either way, have you compared your card to Distand Lands yet?

I dunno, Donald added extra words to Tactician just to nerf the interaction with Throne Room. And there's plenty of effects stronger than Throne Room + Tactician (if it worked).

Isn't this actually the interaction between Tactician and an otherwise empty hand? There are lots of ways to achieve this other than Throne Room.

The nerf was specifically for thrones. Having to keep a card in hand for Tactician to discard is just a sad side effect.
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