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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 5)
« Reply #2075 on: December 16, 2017, 07:35:46 am »

Awaclus did the kill N3. No ninja that night.

How did you seriously think I was scum?

It doesn't make sense that you wouldn't claim this information right away. Scum's uncertainty would much less valuable than this information,  if true.
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 5)
« Reply #2076 on: December 16, 2017, 07:56:10 am »

Awaclus did the kill N3. No ninja that night.

How did you seriously think I was scum?

It doesn't make sense that you wouldn't claim this information right away. Scum's uncertainty would much less valuable than this information,  if true.

Arguably, scum could have preferred Awaclus' strongman to a ninja kill that night.
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 5)
« Reply #2077 on: December 16, 2017, 08:17:35 am »

Really town has this game in lockdown unless you lynch me. Haddock and EFHW are town. That leaves Dylan, Jake, Chairs with question marks.

We lynch one, I shoot one, worst case scenario is we lynch the last one at LyLo.

So hopefully if you believe I am Michonne we have won.

I am gonna sort through Dylan's claim anyway the for fun and to try to convince y'all
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 5)
« Reply #2078 on: December 16, 2017, 08:23:12 am »

Honestly the only reason to not lynch Dylan is if we think someone else is more likely to be bulletproof scum or a roleblocker, and that's really just for my sake.
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 5)
« Reply #2079 on: December 16, 2017, 08:24:17 am »

Y'all will have no issue with those. Hang em from a tree and I'll be a sad useless lady on the sidelines.
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 5)
« Reply #2080 on: December 16, 2017, 10:15:51 am »

Y'all will have no issue with those. Hang em from a tree and I'll be a sad useless lady on the sidelines.

Honestly, given how difficult I personally feel Michonne's role is to play, I hope it doesn't come to that.

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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 5)
« Reply #2081 on: December 16, 2017, 12:33:06 pm »

I mean. Fine. I'm just miffed that everyone keeps assuming I have no idea what I'm talking about.

I'm sorry you felt that your competence was in any doubt! That was definitely not my intention at all, and I respect your problem-solving abilities a great deal. I'm just paranoid that you're too competent, and could possibly be nerd-sniping most of the rest of us with a cleverly-constructed puzzle.

On the believing-you're-town side of things, I'm like 92% there, but I'd really like to see one or more clear proposed solutions that state everyone's roles, say exactly what edits to the colours came from framer/godfather shots each night, and are simultaneously consistent with all four sets of results. I feel like you've satisfied yourself but are skimming over the part where you state a formal solution, and I don't understand your motivation for that, other than possibly being very busy. So I'm going to construct my own solutions, but it will take an hour or more of free time I just don't have till Monday night at this point..
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 5)
« Reply #2082 on: December 16, 2017, 01:09:39 pm »

I mean. Fine. I'm just miffed that everyone keeps assuming I have no idea what I'm talking about.

I'm sorry you felt that your competence was in any doubt! That was definitely not my intention at all, and I respect your problem-solving abilities a great deal. I'm just paranoid that you're too competent, and could possibly be nerd-sniping most of the rest of us with a cleverly-constructed puzzle.

On the believing-you're-town side of things, I'm like 92% there, but I'd really like to see one or more clear proposed solutions that state everyone's roles, say exactly what edits to the colours came from framer/godfather shots each night, and are simultaneously consistent with all four sets of results. I feel like you've satisfied yourself but are skimming over the part where you state a formal solution, and I don't understand your motivation for that, other than possibly being very busy. So I'm going to construct my own solutions, but it will take an hour or more of free time I just don't have till Monday night at this point..

If you're not confident that Haddock is town, why not trust WW's innocent result on him? Or trust how EFHW and I both confirmed that Awaclus was trying to shoot him on N3?

Those are good enough reasons that are not based on his puzzle or its solution at all.
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 5)
« Reply #2083 on: December 16, 2017, 01:33:23 pm »

I mean. Fine. I'm just miffed that everyone keeps assuming I have no idea what I'm talking about.

I'm sorry you felt that your competence was in any doubt! That was definitely not my intention at all, and I respect your problem-solving abilities a great deal. I'm just paranoid that you're too competent, and could possibly be nerd-sniping most of the rest of us with a cleverly-constructed puzzle.

On the believing-you're-town side of things, I'm like 92% there, but I'd really like to see one or more clear proposed solutions that state everyone's roles, say exactly what edits to the colours came from framer/godfather shots each night, and are simultaneously consistent with all four sets of results. I feel like you've satisfied yourself but are skimming over the part where you state a formal solution, and I don't understand your motivation for that, other than possibly being very busy. So I'm going to construct my own solutions, but it will take an hour or more of free time I just don't have till Monday night at this point..
Mmf.
If you'd asked me this yesterday I could have produced one immediately.
But now I'm travelling.

My motivations for not posting one so far are threefold:

1) I've already brought epic rage down onto myself for proposing solutions in the past. (See WW's behaviour)

2) the main result of my experimenting was (as I said) to note that, in the presence of x-shot framing/godfather abilities, there are far too many solutions. Hence writing out one in detail would be potentially misleading, because it gives that solution more attention than other solutions that exist.

3) the only conclusions I am currently drawing from my results right now are:
A) at least one of Dylan/EFHW/jake/chairs is scum. (This is totally immediate from iguanas claim, but also follows immediately from my n4 results.)
B) chairs is town. (Unless there was framing AND x shot godfather used on n1) This follows from my n1+n4 results, but I discovered it only by trying all the possibilities in my excel sheet. I'm more than happy for people to check this themselves, but I can't explain my reasoning because it was literally just a matter of checking every possibility. (He could be permanent godfather, but that guarantees from n4 that dylan/jake/Efhw is scum anyway.)
Neither of those points above are supported by my posting a solution.

I will happily do a solution for you but will be limited access for quite some time; you'll probably beat me to it.
The main thing I remember about the solutions I came up with in my fiddling was that gkrieg/awaclus was 1 shot godfather on n3 in all the ones I came up with.

Really, though, not sure what you gain from seeing ONE solution unless you can prove that it's the only one (which is never going to happen if you allow for x-shot framing/godfather abilities)
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 5)
« Reply #2084 on: December 16, 2017, 03:39:27 pm »

The only way I can get town!Dylan, scum!Jake to work out based on N4 is for chairs to be scum, too, as I believe Haddock has also said. For that to be true, chairs and Jake would both have to be godfather N2 along with iguana being framed that night.

Dylan was guessed as blue N2, which differentiates him from Jake. If Dylan is town, then chairs and Jake are both wrong instead of both right, which is too many rcwp and too few rcrp unless Jake and chairs were both godfather. Very unlikely. The 5 rcwp that night are all accounted for by either flips or by being me :).

iguana has to be framed in order for there to be two wrong colors (his guessed red has to be extra and the blue) and for Dylan to be wc not rcwp. I suppose scum could have 2 godfathers AND a framer?

N2:   7 RR:   e  Hadd  Galz  silver  ash    Jake (godfather)  chairs (godfather)
   5 RW   EFHW  gkrieg  DatS  awa  WW
   2 WC   iguana (framed), Dylan                     


This would be easier to follow if I could post my chart. Here is a link: https://www.dropbox.com/s/yr2cu7bcizqx6w4/Picture1.png?dl=0. Not sure why I can't get it to show up as an img here. The white squares mean unknown, not white.
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 5)
« Reply #2085 on: December 16, 2017, 04:38:17 pm »

Boarding a plane across the world.

Will be out of contact for at least the next 24 hours.
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 5)
« Reply #2086 on: December 16, 2017, 06:47:31 pm »

Boarding a plane across the world.

Will be out of contact for at least the next 24 hours.

Safe travels!!

(Guess you'll only read that when you get there...)
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 5)
« Reply #2087 on: December 17, 2017, 11:11:41 pm »

Truly epic progress in my absence.

Greetings from new Zealand.

Space, how are you feeling? Ready to lynch? It does just seem like, provided iguana is telling the truth (of which I am convinced) then we're in great shape. 3 potential scum, 2 lunches and kill to get them all...
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 5)
« Reply #2088 on: December 18, 2017, 01:15:55 am »

I think we've basically all been waiting with bated breath to see if your plane made it ok.

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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 5)
« Reply #2089 on: December 18, 2017, 05:31:38 am »

Vote:  Dylan
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 5)
« Reply #2090 on: December 18, 2017, 08:07:54 am »

I'm ready to vote if others are.
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 5)
« Reply #2091 on: December 18, 2017, 10:08:22 am »

Was Dylan the one with the talk to the dead power?
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 5)
« Reply #2092 on: December 18, 2017, 10:09:58 am »

Yup, he hasn't used it
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 5)
« Reply #2093 on: December 18, 2017, 10:16:19 am »

That is pretty scummy.

I'm already voting him, so can't join the bandwagon. Go for it Jake.
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 5)
« Reply #2094 on: December 18, 2017, 10:37:11 am »

Space, how are you feeling? Ready to lynch?

Hey! Glad you made it okay!

You've flown to the future, though.. Monday night over here isn't for another few hours, and that's when my free time will happen, so my plan is to start looking at this again then.

Seems like everyone else is beating me to it, and I do think it's really scummy of Dylan not to have said anything else in the meantime after his "y'all are being played" post, given that he's not currently saying he's VLA.
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 5)
« Reply #2095 on: December 18, 2017, 12:22:48 pm »

Vote Dylan
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 5)
« Reply #2096 on: December 18, 2017, 12:25:26 pm »

Vote Dylan

Don't think that counts with no colon
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 5)
« Reply #2097 on: December 18, 2017, 01:03:34 pm »

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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 5)
« Reply #2098 on: December 18, 2017, 03:04:16 pm »

I am leaving hotel Wi-Fi and may be out of access for a while. Don't know whether I'll have Wi-Fi tonight.

for that reason, Faust, I would like to vote for Dylan but only if that does not yet lynch him. I can't wait for the vote count. May I place a vote on that conditional?

Want to give space more time to think.
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 5)
« Reply #2099 on: December 18, 2017, 03:15:30 pm »

Vote Count 5.2

Dylan32 (3): EFHW, iguanaiguana, JaketheBaseballGod22

Not Voting (4): Haddock, SpaceAnemone, chairs, Dylan32

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 5 ends December 20 at 3:30 pm forum time.

for that reason, Faust, I would like to vote for Dylan but only if that does not yet lynch him. I can't wait for the vote count. May I place a vote on that conditional?

No.
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