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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 5)
« Reply #1950 on: December 14, 2017, 08:42:04 am »

 Michonne from the Walking dead. I have to shoot two people to win.  I am immune to actions performed by Space's zombies. And if I kill someone from my own game (EFHW) I kill myself.
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 5)
« Reply #1951 on: December 14, 2017, 08:43:25 am »

I have a theory aboutnthe damn puzzle. The color that I have to be has not always been yellow. I think the non town colors rotate with each night's results.  I think I can use that to prove that Dylan is guilty.
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 5)
« Reply #1952 on: December 14, 2017, 08:44:30 am »

Please, PLEASE don't lynch me. I have tried so hard and been 100% committed to.winning with town and only town this whole game, even to my own detriment.
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 5)
« Reply #1953 on: December 14, 2017, 08:49:25 am »

I think Chairs is town.
Why??

Because I'm only looking for 1 scum, not 2 and Haddocks results implicate Dylan, not chairs.
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 5)
« Reply #1954 on: December 14, 2017, 08:51:16 am »

If we're trusting the puzzle, iguana has to be yellow. Jake investigated as innocent, so he can't be yellow. So iguana wouldn't be 3rd party.

If I was really mafia killing my own team for town credit, I would have stopped at killing one of them in one night. Come on.
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 5)
« Reply #1955 on: December 14, 2017, 08:55:58 am »

If we're trusting the puzzle, iguana has to be yellow. Jake investigated as innocent, so he can't be yellow. So iguana wouldn't be 3rd party.
Yellow could be 3rd party, remember - my results being messed with on N3 means we no longer know for sure which colour scum is.

There are still no plausible solutions in which your results are correct on N1, N2 and N4 but not N3.

By this I mean there are 43 solutions, but each one has only four non-town people (not counting PPS, who was never in the puzzle really), and uses all three non-red colours, meaning the largest "scum" faction is only two people, and PPS would have shared a colour with someone.
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 5)
« Reply #1956 on: December 14, 2017, 08:57:41 am »

I have a theory aboutnthe damn puzzle. The color that I have to be has not always been yellow. I think the non town colors rotate with each night's results.  I think I can use that to prove that Dylan is guilty.
I have explicit confirmation from faust that the colour remain consistent, night-to-night.  It was the very first thing I asked about my role.

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I think Chairs is town.
Why??

Because I'm only looking for 1 scum, not 2 and Haddocks results implicate Dylan, not chairs.
How so?  I haven't yet managed to find anyone outside of you/Jake that my results implicate.
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 5)
« Reply #1957 on: December 14, 2017, 08:59:29 am »

If we're trusting the puzzle, iguana has to be yellow. Jake investigated as innocent, so he can't be yellow. So iguana wouldn't be 3rd party.
Yellow could be 3rd party, remember - my results being messed with on N3 means we no longer know for sure which colour scum is.

There are still no plausible solutions in which your results are correct on N1, N2 and N4 but not N3.

By this I mean there are 43 solutions, but each one has only four non-town people (not counting PPS, who was never in the puzzle really), and uses all three non-red colours, meaning the largest "scum" faction is only two people, and PPS would have shared a colour with someone.
I don't follow.  Will think more on this later.

I did give a solution earlier which I argue was plausible (though it makes EFHW scum, which I don't necessarily agree with).  So solutions do exist, if it was N3 that got messed with.
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 5)
« Reply #1958 on: December 14, 2017, 08:59:38 am »

I don't want to lynch iguana.
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 5)
« Reply #1959 on: December 14, 2017, 09:00:04 am »

@Iguana, do you expect that your colour will swap back and forth from day to day?

Did you have any theories of how things matched up with earlier results based on the fact you knew you're not going to show up as red anyway?
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 5)
« Reply #1960 on: December 14, 2017, 09:00:28 am »

Michonne from the Walking dead. I have to shoot two people to win.  I am immune to actions performed by Space's zombies. And if I kill someone from my own game (EFHW) I kill myself.
Does you winning by killing 2 people prevent town from winning?  I assume not...
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 5)
« Reply #1961 on: December 14, 2017, 09:03:30 am »

I did give a solution earlier which I argue was plausible (though it makes EFHW scum, which I don't necessarily agree with).  So solutions do exist, if it was N3 that got messed with.

Show me the same solution with colours assigned to everyone, not just the still-living players.
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 5)
« Reply #1962 on: December 14, 2017, 09:04:52 am »

Michonne from the Walking dead. I have to shoot two people to win.  I am immune to actions performed by Space's zombies. And if I kill someone from my own game (EFHW) I kill myself.
Does you winning by killing 2 people prevent town from winning?  I assume not...

No. If I ever kill 3 people I go SK. But I won't and couldn't anyway before the game ends. I'll go find my role PM.
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 5)
« Reply #1963 on: December 14, 2017, 09:06:27 am »

@Iguana, do you expect that your colour will swap back and forth from day to day?

Did you have any theories of how things matched up with earlier results based on the fact you knew you're not going to show up as red anyway?

I just know that if chairs is yellow N1 that makes too many RCRP but if Dylan is yellow and I am blue/white it works.
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 5)
« Reply #1964 on: December 14, 2017, 09:07:37 am »

That works for N2 as well but not No or 4. But if I am yellow now, then maybe Dylan is blue or white now. That works for N4, dunno about N3.
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 5)
« Reply #1965 on: December 14, 2017, 09:09:29 am »

Space, Can you run the puzzles with only chairs, Dylan, me, and flipped scum as unknown colors that don't need to be grouped together and the rest fixed at red?
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 5)
« Reply #1966 on: December 14, 2017, 09:24:03 am »

My role is here: https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/66TKWQuWASr8R

I was NOT provided Clark Kent as a fakeclaim. I chose that as my "panic" fakeclaim for if I got more than halfway to being lynched before mass claim. It had the convenient "negative consequences for being lynched" and "commuter" built into my actual role power. Two things that I hoped would stop my lynch and me getting NK'd.

My provided fakeclaims were Monty Python from RMM38 and Nikki/Jessica from RMM33. I was planning to use Monty Python with bogus results if I got to the mass claim before getting any serious heat.

N0 I bid for the metal rod, thinking that I could use it to redirect actions off of myself for self-protection. Later I found out from Faust that you can't self target with the item.

I did choose No Kill N1. I thought that's what I would do as superman, and didn't feel strongly about hitting scum if I shot. Good thing too, I think my top scum lead at that point was Haddock. (Well, not good for me, if you all lynch me, but good for town for sure).

N2 I did shoot Galzria and he did not die, showing me that he was bulletproof. So I knew that he was most likely town going into D2. That part of my previous claim was all true.

N3 I did shoot Gkrieg and I used the metal rod to move the kill from Haddock to DatSwan. This second action was almost strictly against my interests. I knew that Haddock's results could implicate me, but I wanted to kill scum and felt pretty strongly that they would be killing there.

N4 I obviously did not commute, and I tried to win the damn game for us by killing Dylan - but chairs had other ideas and here we are.
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 5)
« Reply #1967 on: December 14, 2017, 09:27:25 am »

I am going to reread this game and help town as much as I possibly can, regardless of what you all decide to do with me. I am 100% on your side, with the one caveat that I won't self hammer if you decide to lynch me.
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 5)
« Reply #1968 on: December 14, 2017, 09:40:50 am »

I am going to reread this game and help town as much as I possibly can, regardless of what you all decide to do with me. I am 100% on your side, with the one caveat that I won't self hammer if you decide to lynch me.
Ok. Don’t want to lynch iguana today.
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 5)
« Reply #1969 on: December 14, 2017, 10:58:05 am »

It is 100% consistent with iguana's play to be Michonne here, not lynching him.

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Re: RMM46: Rewind Mafia 2
« Reply #1970 on: December 14, 2017, 11:02:37 am »

I think there could be more to be gained by looking at the items and bidding.

1 Swan   44      (Amulet) 
2 PPS   xx     3   (SWORD STICK)
3 Iguana   28    (Metal Rod)
4 Ash   xx     - Unknown
5 Space   18     - Unknown? - Space should claim this.
6 E!           16     3 - Nothing
7 Dylan   14 - Unknown? Dylan should claim.
8 Jake   45 - Unknown? Jake should claim.
9 Schadd   43 - Galzria should have known. Maybe we can look for evidence.
10 Galz   40     1 (DAGGER)
11 Silver   31 - Unknown.
12 Chairs   19 - Chose loud voice, got nothing. The other item in this box is spice, from Dune 3. This may indicate that we should find scum from the game Dune 3 above Chairs in the draft order
13 Awac    13     3   (PENALTY)---unverified
14 WW   13 - Don't think he ever claimed his bid or result.
15 EFHW   10 - Unknown? should claim
16 Hadd    32 - Unknown? should claim
17 GK   11 - Unknown
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 5)
« Reply #1971 on: December 14, 2017, 11:03:18 am »

Also, Galzria died because DatSwan stole the dagger from him, causing him to die. Not water loss. Derp.
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 5)
« Reply #1972 on: December 14, 2017, 11:03:50 am »

I'm going to go look at the scum roles in Dune 3.
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 5)
« Reply #1973 on: December 14, 2017, 11:16:49 am »

These are the factional abilities for scum in Dune 3:

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Factional Abilities

Poison. Each night, one of you may target another player to poison. That player will die the following night.

Cure. Each day or night, one of you may target a poisoned player. That player will no longer die.

Steal. Each day, one of you may target another player to rob. If that player has any spice, you will steal up to one dose.

Shroud. Each night, one of you may shroud yourself in spice gas. You will be untargetable by all non-killing actions.

No poisoning has happened, and scum did a standard kill last night. I think that was a dead end. So, pretty strange that chairs didn't get the loud voice, and no one else seems to have it either.

Dylan, you should still claim what action you took last night. Stop dodging.

Chairs, why did you bid for Loud Voice?
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 5)
« Reply #1974 on: December 14, 2017, 11:54:15 am »

I did give a solution earlier which I argue was plausible (though it makes EFHW scum, which I don't necessarily agree with).  So solutions do exist, if it was N3 that got messed with.

Show me the same solution with colours assigned to everyone, not just the still-living players.
Seems pointless in light of iguana's claim.  But sure:

schadd: Yellow
gkrieg: Yellow
Awaclus: Yellow
EFHW: Yellow
iguana: Yellow
Jake: White
Space: Red
Galz: Red
Swan: Red
e: Red
ash: Red
silver: Red
Haddock: Red
Dylan: Red
chairs: Red
WW: Red (but Framed Yellow on N3)




@Iguana, do you expect that your colour will swap back and forth from day to day?

Did you have any theories of how things matched up with earlier results based on the fact you knew you're not going to show up as red anyway?

I just know that if chairs is yellow N1 that makes too many RCRP but if Dylan is yellow and I am blue/white it works.
I'm clearly missing something here.
Remember we don't know what colour scum is.

If we assume last night's results are accurate, there are three options:

1) You are yellow, Jake is town, and one of the reds (don't know who) is either blue or white - the last scum.  This doesn't ever fit the N1 results is the only problem - would need 4 blue/whites and one yellow, which can't happen.

2) You are yellow, Jake is blue/white, and there is one other yellow.  Makes you lying scum, I don't believe it.

3) You are blue/white, Jake is yellow, and there is one other yellow.  Makes yellow scum, and means we should lynch Jake.  I don't see how chairs comes into it.  Dylan being yellow fits, but so does EFHW.


Hmm actually maybe I see what you're getting at.  In the 3rd possibility, Dylan might be the only possibility for the final yellow which is consistent with nights 1 AND 2.  I'll double check.
Then again if we're in the 3rd possibility, we should lynch Jake anyway.

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M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
Modded: M75, M84, RMM38.     Mislynched (M-RMM): None - 42.     Correctly lynched (M-RMM): 101 - 33, 33, 35.       MVPs: RMM37, M87
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