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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 4)
« Reply #1825 on: December 11, 2017, 12:00:57 pm »

and vote chairs
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 4)
« Reply #1826 on: December 11, 2017, 12:02:06 pm »

I don't even trust my Cop result on Jake.
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 4)
« Reply #1827 on: December 11, 2017, 12:02:21 pm »

But yes, Chairs is a better lynch than Jake today.
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 4)
« Reply #1828 on: December 11, 2017, 12:26:38 pm »

I don't even know anymore. I could have made a mistake.

Let's break it down.

For N1
Haddock's guess:
Red (10): EFHW, Haddock, gkrieg, schadd, e, Jake, Dylan, Iguana, WW, silver
White (1): Space
Yellow (3): Ash, Awaclus, chairs
Blue (2): DatSwan, Galz

Ref solution:
Red (11): EFHW, Ash, Haddock, Space, chairs, e, DatSwan, Galz, Dylan, Iguana, silver
White (2): Jake, WW
Yellow (3): Awaclus, gkrieg, schadd
Blue (0): NONE

Comparison:
RCRP are EFHW, Haddock, e, Dylan, Iguana, silver (6*red) and Awaclus (1*yellow) = 7.
RCWP are 4 more red, 1 white, 2 yellow = 7
So constraints match for N1.

For N2
Haddock's guess:
Red (10): Ash, Haddock, Awaclus, gkrieg, chairs, e, Jake, Galz, Iguana, silver
White (0): NONE
Yellow (3): EFHW, DatSwan, WW
Blue (1): Dylan

Ref solution, removing schadd and me, because we're dead:
Red (10): EFHW, Ash, Haddock, chairs, e, DatSwan, Galz, Dylan, Iguana, silver
White (2): Jake, WW
Yellow (2): Awaclus, gkrieg
Blue (0): NONE

Comparison:
RCRP are Ash, Haddock, chairs, e, Galz, Iguana, silver (7*red) and no other colours = 7.
RCWP are 3 more red and 2 yellows = 5.
So constraints match for N2.

For N3
Haddock's guess:
Red (9): EFHW, Haddock, Awaclus, gkrieg, chairs, e, DatSwan, Dylan, silver
White (0): NONE
Yellow (1): Galz
Blue (3): Jake, Iguana, WW

Ref solution, removing schadd, me and Ash:
Red (9): EFHW, Haddock, chairs, e, DatSwan, Galz, Dylan, Iguana, silver
White (2): Jake, WW
Yellow (2): Awaclus, gkrieg
Blue (0): NONE

Comparison:
RCRP are EFHW, Haddock, chairs, e, DatSwan, Dylan and silver (7*red) and no other colours = 7.
RCWP are two more reds and one yellow = 3.
So constraints match for N3.

Does this lead you to agree that Haddock's solution satisfies the constraints we're working with?

But why not enter ash and yourself as confirmed town as well, and gkrieg, schadd and awaclus as confirmed scum?

That's essentially what I did, in that my original posted solution only looked at cases where I'm red, since we know that red is the town colour.

The complication for scum was that I didn't want to have to enter which non-red colour the mafia team was, so I allowed them to be any of the three non-red colours and then only picked out solutions that have the three flipped scums being on the same faction. There are more solutions if we think that two people who both flipped red could come from different scum factions that colour up differently in Haddock's puzzle.
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 4)
« Reply #1829 on: December 11, 2017, 12:45:57 pm »

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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 4)
« Reply #1830 on: December 11, 2017, 01:11:43 pm »

Vote: WW
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 4)
« Reply #1831 on: December 11, 2017, 01:13:24 pm »

Space Count

iguanaiguana (1): Dylan32
Jake (1): 2.71828.....
Chairs (1): iguanaiguana
Witherweaver (4): Haddock, Jake, Chairs, SpaceAnemone
Not Voting (3): silverspawn, Witherweaver, EFHW
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 4)
« Reply #1832 on: December 11, 2017, 01:24:46 pm »

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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 4)
« Reply #1833 on: December 11, 2017, 01:25:08 pm »

Everyone voting me should find the example of the naive Cop that is not town from an RMM game that they think I am.
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 4)
« Reply #1834 on: December 11, 2017, 01:32:13 pm »

You guys are trying hard to lose this game.
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 4)
« Reply #1835 on: December 11, 2017, 01:33:30 pm »

We have just under 48 hours until deadline. WW is on L-2
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 4)
« Reply #1836 on: December 11, 2017, 01:34:26 pm »

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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #1837 on: December 11, 2017, 01:40:18 pm »

Awaclus' final votes.

Day 1:

This was just insanely lunatic.

Day 1 Final Vote Count

pingpongsam (8): iguanaiguana, LaLight, silverspawn, Galzria, Witherweaver, DatSwan, gkrieg13, ashersky
silverspawn (1): Dylan32
Haddock (1): SpaceAnemone
SpaceAnemone (1): schadd
DatSwan (2): Awaclus, pingpongsam

Not Voting (5): Haddock, 2.71828....., JaketheBaseballGod22, chairs

With 17 alive, it took 9 to lynch.

On DatSwan, flipped town.

Day 2:

WHY NO HAMMER?

yuma, I know you withdrew this in your next comment, but why did you say it in the first place?

Day 2 Final Vote Count

DatSwan (1): Awaclus
EFHW (1): gkrieg13
Dylan (2): Haddock, SpaceAnemone
SpaceAnemone (5): DatSwan, Witherweaver, EFHW, iguanaiguana, Galzria, silverspawn

Not Voting (5): ashersky, 2.71828....., JaketheBaseballGod22, Dylan32, chairs

With 15 alive, it took 8 to lynch.

Enjoy some hours of twilight until I can get to this.

Also on DatSwan.

Day 3:

Day 3 Final Vote Count

gkrieg13 (4): Awaclus, JaketheBaseballGod22, EFHW, Witherweaver
iguanaiguana (2): DatSwan, chairs
JaketheBaseballGod22 (5): Galzria, gkrieg13, 2.71828....., Haddock, SpaceAnemone, iguanaiguana

Not Voting (3): ashersky, Dylan32, silverspawn

With 14 alive, it took 8 to lynch.

On Gkrieg. It's quite possible that Gkrieg's role didn't include the traitor part. This may have been for Awaclus a good opportunity to bus for towncred and end his vote with a partner for the Strongman enabling. If that's the case, Gkrieg interactions are relevant.

Evidence is not super strong.
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 4)
« Reply #1838 on: December 11, 2017, 01:42:46 pm »

What are you trying to figure out?
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 4)
« Reply #1839 on: December 11, 2017, 01:44:39 pm »

I will not vote outside: Dylan, chairs and WW today.
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 4)
« Reply #1840 on: December 11, 2017, 01:48:06 pm »

This:

I haven't looked up his role. I did chairs and Awaclus. He got a strongman kill if he voted a partner at day end BTW.

He might want to take the opportunity to enable that.
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 3)
« Reply #1841 on: December 11, 2017, 01:50:50 pm »

Also interesting:

Also, I doctored EFHW last night, which again *could* account for a lack of NK. My choice was based on the IC's vote of support for their towniness yesterday.

I think this is important for us to remember, we haven't really had a night kill yet, which either means that traitors were recruited, or the NK was blocked in some way.

Gkrieg's role included recruitment:

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You are a Super Villain and have two partners They do not know who you are, but they know you exist. If you are targeted by one of your partners with a killing action, it will fail and you will join the Super Villains QT. You will learn one partner's identity at the beginning of Night 1 and the other at the beginning of Night 2.

Schadd's role did not.
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 4)
« Reply #1842 on: December 11, 2017, 01:52:01 pm »

And, if Gkrieg was Traitor and not shot, he probably knew his team by Day 3.
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 3)
« Reply #1843 on: December 11, 2017, 01:53:58 pm »

Another thing to note is that there must be at least 3 roles or fake claims in the game from RMM 11, which included an SK.

Have we looked into this? Presumably he was telling the truth here.
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 4)
« Reply #1844 on: December 11, 2017, 02:01:12 pm »

Another thing to note is that there must be at least 3 roles or fake claims in the game from RMM 11, which included an SK.

Have we looked into this? Presumably he was telling the truth here.

Big Bad would fit with Iguana's claim :(

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Flavor Name: Big Bad
Alignment: Wolf. You win when the majority of the players alive are Wolf-aligned or nothing can prevent that from occurring.
Role Name: Godfather/Ninja

FakeFlavor Name: Jack the Giant Slayer
FakeRole Name: Commuter

“What a delicious meal”[/i] You say as you lick your lips and search around the house for some water to wash down your meal - old ladies tend to be a little dry.

You find a glass, fill it up at the tap, and and drink it down while standing upright. Even though you’re a wolf; you’re no animal. You act like a civilized creature and don’t like to get your paws dirty unless you have to. You poke and prod around the house a little more to see if there's any desert hiding around. You happen upon the, now dead, occupant’s wardrobe. With a dramatic swing of the doors you reveal a matching pink polka dot women’s nightgown and cap set. Civilized creatures DO need to wear clothes...

While dressed in the pajamas, you will be considered Town if your alignment is investigated. When you complete the factional kill you may choose to tear through your clothes and kill undetected (murder is a slicker without all that baggage). This will make you untraceable by any Trackers, Watchers, etc. But your Godfather power will fail to work as you are no longer wearing your disguise.

Additionally, you are a member of the Enchanted Forest quicktopic. You may post there as much as you want during the night, but not after you’ve been killed. The alignment of your fellow quicktopic members is unknown to you.

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For your fakeclaim, you can safely claim some variation of a Commuter. However, you should certainly modify to make it weaker than a pure Commuter and make it fit even more with your flavor name.

Quicktopic Link:http://quicktopic.com/50/H/JNBwusfGFp2

Not sure what else there makes sense as a role or fakeclaim from what we've seen.
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 4)
« Reply #1845 on: December 11, 2017, 02:16:33 pm »

Huh, I wonder if that would also explain Haddock's puzzle.
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 4)
« Reply #1846 on: December 11, 2017, 02:20:21 pm »

When Gkraig scanned me, I had no objects hit me.

Vote Count 4.4

iguanaiguana (1): Dylan32
JaketheBaseballGod22 (1): 2.71828.....
chairs (2): iguanaiguana, EFHW
Witherweaver (4): Haddock, JaketheBaseballGod22, chairs, SpaceAnemone

Not Voting (2): silverspawn, Witherweaver

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 4 ends December 13 at 1 pm forum time. That is in less than 47 hours.

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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 4)
« Reply #1847 on: December 11, 2017, 02:36:01 pm »

When Gkraig scanned me, I had no objects hit me.

Vote Count 4.4

iguanaiguana (1): Dylan32
JaketheBaseballGod22 (1): 2.71828.....
chairs (2): iguanaiguana, EFHW
Witherweaver (4): Haddock, JaketheBaseballGod22, chairs, SpaceAnemone

Not Voting (2): silverspawn, Witherweaver

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 4 ends December 13 at 1 pm forum time. That is in less than 47 hours.

Request prod on e

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WW is on L-1 not L-2 like previously stated.
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 4)
« Reply #1848 on: December 11, 2017, 02:43:16 pm »

Vote: WW

I guess let's figure out if the puzzle is real.
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 4)
« Reply #1849 on: December 11, 2017, 02:44:29 pm »

Wow are you serious?
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